battens killed nobody has officially challenge those figures. however robert mcnamara the longest serving us secretary of defense has established a much more. before the vietnam war was considered nixon's war or johnson's it was considered mcnamara's war and before vietnam mcnamara was considered a bomb damage official see expert during world war two and a top advisor to the twenty nine bomber force commander. did his position in training qualify mcnamara to know the true number of the. the superior the vietnamese released their tally of five million soldiers mcnamara paid a visit to vietnam while he was there he gave them his numbers. do

you mean to say it was not a tragedy for you. when you lost three million four hundred thousand to be timmy's killed which on our population bases the equivalent of twenty seven million americans what did you accomplish since it was their country their towns and villages and the minds of men women and children it is solely for the vietnamese to determine if their independence is worth the price the us exact. had struggled for their independence for two thousand years before it was finally won in one thousand nine hundred seventy five for a thousand years it was directly occupied by china and even though it regained formal autonomy and nine thirty nine. remained a tribute to its chinese neighbor to the. in one thousand century the european.

empire of france conquered vietnam and along with laos and cambodia called it french indochina and made it one of their colonial possession. at the geneva conference the it was divided at the seventeenth parallel with the french and the puppet government it had set up in one thousand nine hundred nine still in control of south vietnam but it might be that here there is still. only one of them divided in geneva fifty four between the free zone we settled on and in its own. by the french and the french at geneva that diction off now because it could not and over to an issue with the clip exist even mention the geneva there is only a temporary one. in one thousand four. according to the geneva

accord the division was to be temporary with elections in one thousand nine hundred fifty six to settle the matter of reunification those elections never took place. their refusal was amply justified if only because the kind of election in visit by the geneva agreement of one nine hundred fifty four a free election could not have been hell anyone who thinks that a free election was possible in communist north vietnam knows little about how communist operate and could have fallen into a moscow peeping trap and he got upset with me on the broader relations committee in one thousand nine hundred fifty six when our intelligence forces brought in their reports whining that if the election called for by the geneva accords were july nineteenth fifty six were openly and would be elected president

in south vietnam by least eighty percent of the vote and i are trying to read that boasts about believing in self-determination it used its power and its prestige and its influence really to get our first puppet government under j.m. not to cooperate in holding those elections that's just a matter of historic record in one thousand fifty five die the emperor of the french had installed as the head of the state of vietnam was deposed and a new leader known him was installed as the head of the renamed republic of vietnam . was the us man in vietnam and what had the french war was quietly becoming the american war. there was sort of a cult of the little fellow in the sharkskin suit and a little mandarin who's going to stop the reds and there was a great many articles on this on the notion of the go to jim our man inside on.

then as now the danger was greatly hyped to drive the country towards war. with digital. it was something. they recreate from united states from vietnam would be a communist that great but it free of massive proportions and would lead to world war three. and promises were made to puppets. we'll stay for as long as it takes. which will provide whatever help is required. to win the battle against the communist and sergeant while both the democrat and republican administrations that preceded him had provided funding for the fight against vietnamese independence john kennedy was the first president to send us troops to vietnam in significant numbers he started by replacing the french berets with green

berets and had sent more than sixteen thousand soldiers by the time he was assassinated. people like to kennedys were used to running countries with names they couldn't even pronounce. need is now a free me my fellow americans layoffs is far away from america earlier in one thousand nine hundred sixty three the us supported a coup in iraq that put the bath party in power the cia specifically supported a young twenty five year old baathist by the name of saddam hussein providing him with a list of his enemies including seven hundred communists and democrats to be eliminated a bloodbath and soon. anyways house needed to plan and overthrow d.m. less than a month before j.f.k. himself was murdered bobby kennedy way said vietnam might not be so easy and wonders about the wisdom of putting someone they hardly know in charge of such an important country.

they. really. want. in the course of the mire ambassadorship which had been agreed to be last just one year i dealt with fire government in other words the house was clean turned over five different times for the chaos that one can imagine while the national security

council was busy replacing vietnamese governments right and extreme right l.b.j. acted like he was the victim in this thing the. we're a johnson and johnson the room where he was the instability of the south vietnamese government i guess you might call the coat of arms or the vietnamese government turnstile for god's sake and i remember very vividly somebody would come in his office and say those of the like is a coup beginning in vietnam and you know the coup you know coups were like like fleas on a dog and johnson said i don't want to hear any more about this coup shit i've had enough of it and we've got to find a way to stabilize those people out there. but johnson knew it was the cia that was the source of the problems they started with me on jail here remember. the art of a kill so we killed and we all got together and got

a guy like you and we want an attack i really had no political stability so that the expansion of the war into cambodia and the resulting rise to power of a cold pot was to have tragic consequences for that little country in addition to the estimated eight hundred thousand civilians killed in nixon's illegal bombing another two million died after the war as the camera rouge attempted to feed people the us was no longer feeding by forcing millions that the us had moved into the cities back into the countryside. l.b.j. wanted to expand the war that the resolution he had put to congress had been shelved for months but all your self but is it going to play out scrap the skirt as it will fill out a piece of a that's what i'll. try to bring

something back. after what he called an unprovoked attack he got his resolution. congressional leaders of both parties supported the gulf of tonkin resolution in fact only two members of congress voted against the resolution senators more civil oregon and greening of alaska. being in the minority never cruz it's your own flag history card senator greening and i voted in the interest of the american people this morning when we voted against this resolution and i do have the american people remember what this resolution really is it's a resolution which seeks to give the president united states the power to make war without a declaration of war the gulf of tonkin resolution was not a declaration of war there never was

a declaration of war in vietnam but to serve much the same purpose the president was given broad powers to wage war but what the congress did not know what the country did not know is that the second attack in the gulf of tonkin may never have . it is now known beyond any reasonable doubt that an attack did not take place even the official us navy history states there was actually no north vietnamese attack that night. if one. telegram which we later found from amanda erika the maddox had been made available to the committee at that time i'm quite sure they would have had long hearings gone into it and if they'd been able to discover the facts is the actually where i don't believe it passed resolution because it was based book absolutely false eroni is information the even says they related them of all this so forth nine hundred sixty four were not true i

was sure of it was not an unprovoked livered attack in fact is there was no attack a poll. did the captains report what they were ordered to report. it's also been suggested that washington was put in a great deal of pressure on you to come up with some positive answers to what happened that wasn't as or be yes we were attacked. for trying the same for only. did the gunner show an empty gulf. just above the bridge of the maddox where captain herrick was is the main gun director and inside the director was the sailor who was in charge of firing those powerful five inch guns his job was to open fire once the enemy targets were spotted on radar or sonar those are the main methods for detecting progress you can't see directly the man in charge of the main gun director august fourth one thousand nine

hundred fifty four was a four year veteran it was also an expert sonar man i drink park park is now a businessman in los angeles tommy do you think that night all those floors in the pitch black you know at least well. rainstorms. was there anything to shoot out there no i don't i'm certain that there was not anything to shoot at right from the beginning and the captain asked me mediately after the attack to go down and. so you wait all the recordings that have been made. noise that was but it's on our was reporting and i kept myself pretty busy for the next three days really trying to evaluate these things and determine if we had heard anything that might have been even a question mark that it might have been a torpedo or anything else in the water not related to the two ships or noise of either one of them and then what was your evaluation and absolutely nothing. the

pilots didn't see anything either before james bond stockdale became a north vietnamese prisoner of war he was flying air cover over the destroyers at the time of the alleged second attack in stockdale's words i flew solo there was salt spray on my windshield and i still didn't see a thing meaning he never saw torpedoes or any evidence that the u.s. ships had been fired upon the captain of the ticonderoga attack squadron fifty six commander wesley l. macdonald concurred he didn't see anything that night except the maddux and the turner joy after this flight he and those in his command met behind closed doors and each wrote accounts of what they did and did not see stockdale then lock these reports in his safe. the next morning commander james stockdale was ordered to lead the first u.s. air strike on north korea. i personally am. in my own law the

attack took place on the fourth but of course it's impossible in a way for me to pull that this way they most certainly did not send it if there was an attack since there was no second attack and since that attack was the excuse that the president used to take the us to war in vietnam what are we to make of the following recently released white house tape unit l.b.j. and mcnamara discuss the second gulf of tonkin attack before it takes place how would they know about the attack before it happened and why would they want to keep that prior knowledge a secret unless they were planning it. now this is an action that we might well wish to consider after it a second attack but i think it would be an appropriate general peter three director great and appropriate to provide the cat's point commander that authority there

will be ample time after a second attack to bring this problem to your attention you can then decide how far you want to pursue the attacker into a debate area. but i wish we could have something that we are already picked out and fair and just at about three bam quake grettir we will have that and i i talked about by the public on top i thought that was the most important subject we should consider today and be prepared to recommend to you a response a retaliation against north vietnam give me a better tactics place for the fact that our we are we better do better to watch something like i don't want to go into a base rather i want to keep this is closer to the camp so i just try to keep it to be prepared to do so. it will mean. on the night of august fourth the united states made public the so-called gulf of tonkin incident to be all but the story was a fabrication created by the us national security council. me as

a name even as the national security council anatomy american aircraft which were being sent to destroy several areas of our country. in reality the second you talk an incident has never happened. was the whole basis of this moral fraud and alive perpetrated at the highest levels of our government we must ask ourselves that as we survey the damage that was done to our country and especially the damage done to the vehicle. there make sure you go down. there and are going to ask yourself what is going to happen all right.

if kennedy who thought he could finesse the vietnam situation with special forces johnson's approach was brutally simple he figured if he could kill enough of them they would cry uncle in the simplest way to kill us with their power. bombers. that hurdle. their game to the border. the primary tool that the u.s. used in the vietnam war was aerial bombardment that is how the most people were killed both north and south the us to use napalm. they used white

phosphorus they used chemical agents but most of all they used to fashion high explosives. and by the time it was all over the u.s. government had dropped three times the amount of bombs dropped by all parties in world war two more than eight million tons or the equivalent of six hundred forty hiroshima sized atomic bombs it's. very much together.

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life on the go. video on demand on t.v.'s minefield costs and already says feeds now in the palm of your. question on t.v. dot com well one one deals with war for us to realize that this tremendous amounts of damage that have done not just human damage but damage the physical environment in which the battlefield takes place tremendous amounts of damage done by aerial bombs by napalm boy coming from the city whether it's sonic boom six tractor beam mammals or it's the burning oil fields or. a rock or steroid use for purposes the list just goes on and on the geneva conventions of nineteen forty nine states that there shall be taken in war to protect

the involved against widespread long term and severe damage the united states although it is accepted almost all of the provisions one has taken exception to that. discovery. communicate with the wild. free. nature can give you.

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a very warm welcome to see this is r.t. live from moscow with me alex habits egypt's president has addressed the nation as clashes and heavy gunfire continued in another day of our people he says i wrote about for political reform is being put together and presidential elections could take place in august well there's been an ongoing wave of violence between opponents and supporters of president hosni mubarak five people were pulled from shot dead tyreese havea square before dawn on thursday the total number killed in a week of rights is estimated at around three hundred it's now thought that the egyptian army which has previously not intervened in the clashes has made some attempt to divide demonstrators these poulos me is keeping across developments in cairo. the anger the frustration the defiance continues to intensify in time here square there has been a curfew imposed now for the next.