just are we back on track here is the director of the nato information office in moscow robert child. russian leaders joined them to drug operation in afghanistan last year was a milestone marketing new stage relations and trust however the parties haven't yet found common ground concerning the anti missile shield in europe their mind sees it as two independent systems sharing intelligence moscow champions the idea of six areas in europe each of them responsible for threats coming from certain directions . home as of self thank you very much for being with us on the show thank you for inviting well first of all you repeated many times speech speaking with newsmen for one that russia and nato don't consider each other enemies these are your words that you there that you like to repeat however nato the global ambitions and we have mean the expansions to these the

anti-missile plans in europe are officially or unofficially cited in the russian military dot train as threats to our national security so russia does consider it a threat officially so is it part of your job to to see that those threats are removed from from russia's mentality and from russia's documents well first of all i repeat those words but they don't i don't think copyright because there's and was used by the sacred general and frankly by all the leaders of the nato russian council and lisbon and indeed that's that's written but it's also meant in a full sense not only we don't consider each other as enemies but a we're striving towards strategic partnership and secondly we frankly don't really consider ourselves a problem because we do have joint problems which we need to tackle as far as the military doctrine that you mentioned well it was published it was agreed before the lisbon summit so we certainly hope. my none of the nato policies and certainly not

later such is considered a threat because because we're not we're not afraid to russia and we were sure that that is exactly as we should see each other ok in january russia's chief of general staff for the first time he took part in a joint session of the ratio russian i took counsel one of the any breakthrough decisions taken at that meeting when he was the first session this year but of course we had those meetings before and they are important because overall the military operation is very important. the decisions which were taken at that meeting are important essentially there are about a military operation what problem program for this year and the difference between for example this is program and the one philosophy is that we have new areas and these are facts of missile defense which is indeed what was agreed in lisbon that

we would come back to the cooperation we had in that area and secondly there's going to be an interesting corporation i think interesting for everybody concerned involving military academies essentially you know opportunities for military experts to talk about doctrines to talk about long term issues how we essentially they see the world and how does it translate into the many to education so it was certainly a meaningful meeting of course it started on a solemn note because of course it happened the meeting took place just after the tragic attack and then when the eleven allies expressed full solidarity and of course condemned the terrorist act. well he of course remember that in lisbon president medvedev made made a speech in which he came up to the so-called sexual anti-missile defense proposal to practically reject it's so is it's. finished i mean what may. they'd

be further negotiations on this proposal or. the russian side should come up with something something new well i mean lisbon apart from being historic meeting from political body view as do a lot of decisions and perhaps some of the most important ones were precisely on the issue of the corporation missile defense of yet a missile defense cooperation but also we have agreed and we started implementing this that we would work cards together to discuss legacy aid should use to come up with the best ways of using the potential which exists in russia and in nato concerning missile defense protection and this is exactly what's happening so we are not in the business of rejecting and if we not in the business of you know. being critical towards each other we are trying to work out the best ways we have presented our initial vision which is that of the two independent systems and there are some reasons why we are we think that is the best way forward at this stage but

working together and you know this is what our experts are working on this is what our political decision makers are. discussing and i think june was chosen on the time when an initial report would be put i have a quote from russian president here gives it it's either we come to an agreement on certain terms and make a comparable system to solve the tasks of this on defense or we don't and in this case we will have to make a number of and pleasant decisions in the nearest future dealing with deployment of the strike nuclear missile group and quit what was nato's reaction because this sounds like a wording as. well when we we certainly not looking forward to any unpleasant decisions on the contrary we're looking forward to this illusion which would enable us to do something which has never been done. for in the history of nato russia

relations which is to create an arrangement which would serve for common protection of our citizens and their release from the fret which certainly exist of ballistic missiles so we are at the beginning of this world so frankly speaking we are very much optimist when it comes to nato of nato leadership allies secretarial that we will certainly find ways to work out such a arrangements that would enable us to pull together their resources the capabilities that we have or are in the business of developing which is the case for instance and later we are just starting to developing that nato missile defense system do nato countries consider ratifying the treaty and conventional armed forces in europe any time soon i mean because because this may be very useful in building up trust between the two parties well. see if he is one of those

issues that we think is of great importance it's often been called the cornerstone of european security texture and would certainly like the new modified treaty to be fully into force. and i think at the moment the situation is however that it's actually the russian federation that has suspended its implementation and there are various discussions staking place in vienna and also nato russia council is a is a place where this discussions can take place and we hope very much that we can work out together ok well let's get back to lisbon that this pool lisbon declaration confirmed that nature's daws i quote remain why the open for all european democracies well i think this is. one of the quotes from from from from nato papers that makes people in russia want to well start talking again about possible rushers. the ship in nato well

this this for me has always sounded strange when well maybe i'm a product of the cold war this well i remember this time so so so i don't think this may ever happen in our lifetime at least the did do you think this is something to think about at least for the for the future may this never happen what would you say the question of any potential interest in applying for membership of course has to be put to the country because you know we've never been we are not and we will not be in a business in the future as well of sort of love being in a country this as significant decisions and of the country feels that it's it's capable is interested i said can share what is often called a key of nato then of cause you know such an issue but at the moment through our best knowledge there are no such. no such blood sort of speaking in russia and that's what we heard also from the russian leadership so it's it's an open question

but at this stage it's not an agenda because. we are not a word of any any serious plans on the part of russia to apply but rather do you think they're the united states will ever allow russia to become part of the allies because i think if russia becomes part of the alliance well what's the point of having the alliance well it makes it really anti chinese what this is the only point of running it running your business in other nations and we're not and i mean we are anti terrorism reality you know different security challenge i'm not anti any country but well that's perhaps a slightly in my stance i remember one of the predecessor mr rasmussen robeson was once asked a question to speculate precisely maybe a similar question maybe some other and he said if i knew what would be happening in his five ten years i'll be playing in a stock exchange so of course but the truth i mean speaking really seriously is that you know it's a serious issue of any country to. as of the security orientation and therefore so

it would be inappropriate to speculate but the most important thing is we have the makings we have the structure which is a really a joint baby it's it's our it's a common creation that we put together with russia and let's make the best use of it it's has great potential in so many areas which are important for the security of our citizens you know in moscow in washington in warsaw in building out of places so that's that's really what we should and i think that's what we are concentrating on well they are completely rebuilt because i have also i have always thought that that mechanisms like the russian nato council like the and the similar going with other nato countries may be more useful even then then joining the the the body don't you think but partnership overall i mean and lisbon was very clear on this are if you like a growing business and great business of interest and importance for nato we hardly do anything if you get my point on our own when we have gun is done where it's

fighting and you know cyber attacks pirates and so on we work with other bennies asians will work with other countries so that is really you know the name of the game and partnership including russia absolutely fundamental for that says robert should tell director of the nato information office in moscow spotlighted will be back shortly we will continue this interview in less than a minute after we take a break so don't go there were you. here is that so much to play a huge music. mark with the rise of the middle east with this big calculus changes occurring in egypt what will become of these really gyptian peace treaty negotiated a. wealthy british style. it's time to time for.

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back to spotlight on al gore and often just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is robert style director of the nato information office in moscow we're talking about nato russia confirmation. well one of the fields of corporations between between nato and russia between nato military and russian military is ghana stan this is this is a big pain for russia and a big problem for nato to nato especially the americans have been accused of even promoting drug dealer ship in afghanistan he of course saw that in russian papers well you said in one of your interviews i quote nature of his role in afghanistan is to support the security of afghan institutions it's a very difficult task you say for example if we destroy poppy fields the ranks of taliban it will grow because the people will lose their earnings and quit your. he

said that well i said of course in accounting that it this can't be the consequences of destroying the crops which are the only life we're trying to help them intelligence we're providing security we're training by the way we're training counter-narcotics experts from afghanistan and actually countries in the region together russia including the model of our body but these are serious decisions and the best placed decisions of people to make them are the afghan authorities themselves so even a feeling this is the right way to go we will support them but it's not really strictly speaking the job or made of the ground getting it's because yes it's complex and he has many consequences and we have to work together it's not a job just for nato but for our going station and certainly the afghans themselves and we need to help them this but. the thing i've always worried me is that do you peons realize that the drugs produced in afghanistan they appear on the streets on the streets of european cities pratley

like in a couple of days you're right i mean let's be honest it's a big business and it's an international business and this is terrible things they end up on the streets of moscow they end up on the streets of berlin of moderate and so on it's true and we are aware of this but you know again there is a link between security and development there is a link between konami potential economic situation the real possibilities which exist for people and actually. our successes or the lack of them in in fighting the terrorists the taliban's who very often by the way cooperate with drugs or so it is a it's an it's a nexus of before the solution to this whole so has to be a multifaceted one and we are trying to play our part we understand the russian preoccupations there is again i repeat that's what we call break down or even i don't even think that. since the world guess what i think is true that the number

of kids killed by afghan drugs is much higher than the number of soldiers killed by the taliban and the terrorists what's certain is that this is high and we have no i mean we have no illusions and it's a serious problem but again if we are successful and we have to be involved in government is successful in had the same time that's the tricky part tackling the security problems when we became engaged i'm getting is that we we found the situation that the only people who stood between the traffic the traffic of narcotics that's a lot of mafias were let's say two policeman with kalashnikov and not in a bad shape bicycle so you know afghans need to need to be held way to national community to be able to fight this problem but it's a complex one russia more than once declared that the that russia is ready to help

the alliance in afghanistan coping a situation against that. i've heard that. brussels today is counting on russia to help them build the national afghan army as a pretext to leaving afghanistan is a true is nato is nato considering russia one of the means to to help build the national have been armed forces we are. sending training is very important yes i mean training training i mean a show. i would love to use one of them is exactly. as we say and they bring diagrams to deal with the security problems well the trophies and yes i mean good training well trained afghan security police forces are the ticket so to speak to altimetry asked the international community because you know you don't offer to eight countries who are engaged nice or being able to transit to to hand over the responsibility political. that is happening and we have important decisions behind

is in lisbon which means that the transition stage should start in the spring so russia can also play a role and we've been discussing various issues related to helicopters for example perhaps through training to oil and also provision of maintenance and so on a ship is already sending helicopter i think yes it russian but hell itself it isn't in use in afghanistan and the eagle here in the state russian helicopters are in use it means we directly send them or somebody some of them let's say they're already there because i'm going army had them they are very useful and there is there is a trust fund that we want to establish. which would enable not just the use of these helicopters but maintenance there are some discussions going on right now about the financing which of course is an important issue but we do have high hopes because that would be a major contribution well you mentioned did have already twice in the sense you go i mean the terrorist attack in the rush moscow's domodedovo airport and in

a recent interview you said that meeting in brussels nato and russian military already discussed seriously thoroughly their corporations in order to prevent tragedies like the one we saw in denver did of an airport how exactly can the parties help each other. in fighting in preventing terrorist it's well we've had cooperation on the fight against terrorists for many years and now many facets to it you know actually trying to stabilize afghanistan is one obviously exchanging confidential intelligence information about terrorism that is happening but now also a very specific project something the one did i mention that you alluded to was the so-called standard standards which is actually for a number of years now been in gauge in the search for the right technology to allow our security forces to have a potential to detect explosive devices from

a distance that could save lives and this project is russia russian scientists are one of the key participants in the project we hoping that perhaps even some simulations. test trials could take place maybe in a space of a year or two so yes there are some very concrete ways in which we work and can do more frankly to be about speaking of speaking of cup ration between nato and russia or one of the common threats that we've both considered both moscow brussels and invasion later nato country is nuclear proliferation we say against nuclear proliferation well but as far as i understand there is a major major difference between the russian approach and the alliance approach towards iran's nuclear program can you tell me the main difference in these two approaches. well when we have a certain really don't discuss specific countries when it's certainly not in public when it comes to evaluation of any potential threats what i can confirm is that we

need to consider is for instance when talking about the ballistic. mr adds that there's about thirty countries who either have that technology and that capacity or are very close to developing it having overall we have done a lot and i think we're going to do more joint analysis that's part of the work on missile defense cooperation russia now we may differ on some issues relations but i don't think we differ on the overall assessment that proliferation particularly of the of the ballistic missiles and of course what they can carry is a serious threat so we have to deal with that's the bottom line the rest of course is important that may be you know maybe there is need for discussion how best what are the optimal ways but i think on this issue we don't disagree but it's a specific countries we don't discuss in public ok then let's talk about in the

field of possible complications cybercrime today the nato countries consider cybercrime one of the most important issues when it was dangerous issues to do to deal with is nato cooperating with russia i think not yet in fighting and one of the plans well we first we have to if you like establish a more robust police are on because nato had been dealing with cyber defense issues for years but to be very honest there were concentrated mainly on the military communication and old systems and it's following big well known events such as an historian that we dallas decided that we need also to focus on the frets to the public the sort of if you like to open. the open cyber cyber space systems because if you have the situation which. the banks sadly our you know can't operate

if the government business cannot be done properly because you know the whole system is down that is actually a threat to do it to a sick. here it is so i think russia shares our concern and you know we have been i say developing our policy and i think it's a matter of time and it is written if you like into the elements of the policy that we would would certainly work with the partners on tackling this international problem because it is an international problem and another interesting issue is the exchange program first students candidates of military academies there is such a program and i think that this may be like the best way to help future artists is the young generation of officers not to look at each other was suspicious the suspicion do you think do you think that this may be one of the keys to building new relations between russia and the ones in the future by figural spot

on i mean having this is you know it's one of those issues that it's not even mathematics it's about chemistry. you know the more our young many tree work together. we had had this cooperation before for instance in the balkans. ships work side in side to give a reason you know of the sure about in fighting piracy so we spoke about his earlier the new work plan military cooperation does include these changes and also there is a big scope for bilateral cooperation too and frankly speaking the more young calls the military you know go and see each other worked together you know the less there will be a chance that they will look each or god forbid some sort of opponent of or even enemy so i think that that certainly i hope very much is that is an area which will have much more exchanges in the future thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today was robert purcell director of the

nato information office in moscow. and that's it for now from all of us here will be back with more first on comments on what to do linked in or outside russia until then saying r.t. and take. thank you.

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the. egyptian president hosni mubarak says he's fed up with being in power but won't leave office for fear of causing chaos a state that many say his country is already in a huge crowds remain on the streets and violent clashes continue. meanwhile in britain we take a look at the links between a radical groups and the opposition in egypt is protests in the u.k. are used by his long list organization banned in many other countries to promote its own interests and. the president dmitry medvedev welcomes progress into the moscow airport attack investigation but slams officials for earlier announcing that the case had been cracked.

six am in the russian capital good to have you with us here on r t our top story egypt's leader hosni mubarak says he is quote fed up with being president and would like to leave office now but can't for fear that the country would sink into chaos his sentiment was echoed by egypt's vice president who urged protesters who filled the streets for more than a week to go home. as their demands were being answered this follows a wave of deadly violence between opponents and supporters of president mubarak five people were reportedly shot in cairo's tahrir square before dawn on thursday around three hundred people are thought to have died in a week of riots reports say the egyptian army that had previously not intervene in the clashes has attempted to separate the pro and anti mubarak demonstrators or he's paulus leader has the latest from cairo. the anger the frustration the defiance continues to intensify in tough his square there has been ok if you impose now for the next twenty four hours and the government is about departure.