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seven more suspects identified in connection to the moscow airport bombing in january this after russia's most wanted terrorist claims he water. wiki leaks founder julian assange importantly u.k. for the second day battling the extradition to sweden if you're hearing set to resume friday sunders lawyers say the political pressure from washington could see him handed over to u.s. authorities. egypt's president hosni mubarak offers to reform the constitution and use public anger but thousands of protesters poured back into tahrir square in cairo an apparent jackson of the proposals and continue to demand his resignation. coming up we cross to our washington studio for the alone a show and the crisis in egypt that's in focus as a lot of takes a look at the recently appointed vice president omar suleiman stay with us.
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we've got. the biggest issues good voice ceased to face with the news makers. welcome the load a show where i get the real headlines with none of the park we live in washington d.c. now the transition of power continues to take form in egypt as hosni mubarak prepares to step down everyone is now keeping an eye on omar suleiman well investigate who this man is anil find out how close his ties to the u.s. really are and the bookstores are stocked with romney's tell all book today known and unknown it's unapologetic harsh and pretty much exactly what most people expected from the former defense secretary the young turks and asperin will join me
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to discuss the whitewashing of history and rumsfeld's book also we've discussed at length on this program the unemployed those who are educated young and unemployed and finding and giving up on finding jobs but the thing is this problem isn't just here in the u.s. it's becoming a global at the demick business insider's gregory white will join me to discuss the global unemployment problem and what it might mean for the future next admiral mike mullen is revising the military's agenda he's released a twenty one page document which changes from beginning to end on what needs to be changed to protect the u.s. well we can just summarize it into words i think global we'll talk with paul mccleary about the changing focus of the u.s. military and d.c. is becoming part of the primetime lineup a new show set in georgetown will show off the lives of the young rich affluent people of the d.c. neighborhood so could this combo of sex and politics be able to succeed where other shows based around d.c.
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have failed karen janabi will discuss with me at the end of the program but now. let's move on to our top story. it's day fifty mm for protests in egypt and i saw no clear leader to replace hosni mubarak at least from the people's perspective about hasn't stopped newly appointed vice president omar suleiman from taking charge artie's paul's lawyer tells us more about this man and sheds light on his relationship with us. horton to support the transition process announced by the egyptian government actually headed by now vice president . omar suleiman hardly the words of a neutral and worse far removed from the people who had ministration kane's to be listening to. dr meg heads of the human rights organization that teaches each option is about democracy he says egypt don't like solomon for the very reason americans do almost in part. we consider american people.
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don't. want to. live mubarak who was still. in the power in those targeted last year by the u.k.'s telegraph is the most powerful spook in the region so a man is suave sophisticated and fluent in english but the former head of egypt's intelligence service worked for years as the cia's man in cairo. solomon is accused of having been personally involved in torturing suspects this is the problem now in egypt is there's a struggle between not between mubarak and the people but because between the american cia covert operators of u.s.
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power around the world and the people are having to try to get mubarak replaced with somebody else it's hard to ignore the fact that the very abuses that drove hundreds of thousands of people into the streets had some assistance from the united states people have collected almost with pride these empty tear gas cylinders that have the words made in the usa written on them and so so much for regime change so a man was as much made in america as the dictator who appointed him and who is now being thrown out by the egyptian people wiki leaks cables show the u.s. administration was grooming him for years as far back as two thousand and seven it had already identified and as a possible successor to president mubarak. many of our contacts believe that solely because of his military background would the least have to figure in any succession scenario and so when obama goes on record and says he gyptian is must choose for themselves it is not the world any other country to
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determine egypt's leaders only the egyptian people can do that so people here are lost because the secretary of state is admitting to something different what we have to do is to send a consistent message supporting the orderly transition that has the. urging that it be not only transparent is here very hard free but many egyptians are afraid of men and think he's more a dictator than mr mubarak which leaves the united states out in the cold when it has to explain why it's backing him policy r t k. time. now in just a few days the u.s. has changed their message to leaders and the people of egypt it was now means now a call from a barak to step down immediately to let democracy the people's way take hold it's become an orderly transition that somehow holds the idea that hosni mubarak and
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omar suleiman can lead a process of transition credibly but why put their support behind the torture so the one's been just dubbed doesn't damage he less credibility even more here to discuss with me is colonel lawrence wilkerson former chief of staff to colin powell and thanks so much for being here tonight now before we get into the mine is his background really let's talk about the fact that the obama administration we know we already have been speaking about this considering this day fifteen of the protests have really struggled in coming up with the message and at first they didn't know to say that it seemed like they were really pushing mubarak to step down they said they supported democracy they said now means now and now they're kind of backtracking does that make it even worse the fact that you came out in support of people and now you're backtracking remember we have seen in the embassy and elsewhere in egypt all the time twenty four seventh's we have margaret scobey our ambassador there we sent frank wisner the very capable man there i'm quite confident that the assessment coming back from those people all of them is roughly
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this mubarak. whatever the regime is going to be there is going to stay there that the people have not been successful in terms of on lodging on cd kicking out the really the leadership in egypt as for example they seem to have been in tunisia so they're reading to accommodate themselves to whether or not this is the real situation and it's what's being reported i think through facial channels and so they're having to accommodate themselves to that how do you suddenly turn around when the people. revolution is that war doesn't look like it's going to bring the kind of change that perhaps you hope for an intense debate but at the same time are we hindering the people's revolution by also supporting so much i do i say make use of the man it's going to leave this orderly transition i think this is cause and effect i think what has happened is the bulk of the egyptian people have grown somewhat weary of what's happening in terms of not
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having any money in the a.t.m. is having no banks open no meat vegetable prices going out of sight and so forth and so when you get this whatever sixty seventy million of the egyptians or at least the middle class largest middle class in the middle east you get them not on your side anymore and sort of feeling antagonistic to what you're doing you can stay in the streets all you want and your powers dwindling rapidly so there's got to be some accommodation with what has been achieved and what hasn't been achieved you call it a compromise but we're somewhere in the middle right now in my biggest concern. is that we will move anywhere in terms of what really controls egypt and omar suleiman is the personification of that while i exact omar suleiman i almost have to wonder if he could end up being worse then than hosni mubarak i mean this is the intelligence chief this is the sheikh torture as they like to call him this is
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a wily man and i wonder how long it will be until he really not only starts awaiting the people out waiting the protesters out but also trying to find ways to turn them against each other already he has taken this already doing certain interviews where you know he's he's pointing fingers and he's citing foreign influence so with him at the helm in the meantime or at the moment how much longer do you think that might be able to last the protests i think they're probably going to wonder aloud really do i wish i didn't say that i wish i didn't think that but i think we've seen not a total victory by the regime but in terms of going to see september keeping the regime in power even if it isn't mubarak or his son themselves none the less there is going to be something there that looks like mubarak may be worse as you pointed out them aboard. and so we've we've lost in the sense that the egyptian people have lost in the sense that they're going to have a major change in their government i hope i'm wrong i hope i'm room but that's kind
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of what it looks like now let's talk a little bit about omar solomon's background their story their went into in his you know the way that he worked with top officials in the cia that the way that he worked with us when it comes to extraordinary i mean in the middle east there you go over lieberman's best man in the middle of it even dates you know back much further than that it wasn't here for bragg in the one nine hundred eighty s. being educated more he's grabbing almost every tyrant that the united states to in the past thirty or forty years why i believe i have. whether it's you know radio or you name it that's sort of the way we do business. and you know in that case is this a move that we we've already seen excuse me israel support on are similar similar suliman i can't say right now they think he's their man is the rest of the world also going to support that i think you're probably going to find much of the world that matters following the u.s. lead on this to a certain extent until they see what it really means i think europe and others who
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care about this situation are probably going to back off of u.s. leadership if they see. essentially what i'm pessimistic lou predicting and that is we just out mubarak mubarak was sort of we don't change anything with regard to the egyptian people and their plight you know i'm hoping as i said that i'm wrong there we are going to see some substantive change that maybe supermom will surprise us he's a swallow of professional smart man. he may have personally participated in some of the torture of what i was there as boarding reporting is correct cording to certain reports that's right here he personally which are in some of these people but how do we try to mediate them self but after all maybe maybe he might be someone who could be a transitional figure and we can indeed look for some better represent more representative government in the future but my gut feeling is you know so you have
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is there anyone that you have seen at the moment part of the reason that omar suleiman is in the position that he's in in fact it's seems like he's already acting like he is sitting president hosni mubarak hasn't made any kind of has there is a sort of you know that anything he said before and considered you know when you have a corner go away i mean you know he's acting like he owns the place but is there anyone else you know that they could transition this power to that you've seen i don't see any i don't see what it's critical as i've said before on your show it's critical that the army support whomever or whatever because it is the disciplined powerful institution in egypt like in so many countries i don't see the army breaking faith with the group as it were and moving to someone else certainly not in a day or the muslim brotherhood or something like that so i just don't i don't see a replacement for that where the army goes is where the leadership of egypt will go and that's pretty much a reality of things i want i will have to keep on waiting and watching to see what
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does happen in egypt but i hope you're wrong there with your prediction but unfortunately we all have to look at it in a pessimistic light for the meantime with so marcil a month taking control. seeing whether other protests will dwindle thanks so much for joining us. now still to come on tonight's show he was in charge of two wars. mismanaged both of them from the very start but apparently former defense secretary donald rumsfeld didn't see it that way his new book hit store shelves today with anecdotes bearing of the young turks about that and massive unemployment the growing problem facing the entire world tonight we ask is this a lost generation thanks to the economic crisis back them up.
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it was that she must. be signature. delimiter. or stability in egypt. or the us and it's. former defense secretary donald rumsfeld's memoir bookstore shelves today titled known and unknown so far the general message everyone's gone from the eight hundred page book is that romney is the sorry about anything and in fact it was everyone
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else's fault so he's settle scores with the likes of connelly's rice colin powell john mccain both george h. w. and w. bush he regrets not leaving office after the abu ghraib scandal not because of the torture that went on there but because it became a distraction and he's uploaded hundreds of pages of primary source material and documents onto a website where readers themselves have to pore through them if they feel so inclined so going to tell all that's really more of a blame all vindicate rumsfeld in the u.s. and worldwide earlier i caught up with anika sparing from the young turks from our studio in los angeles and i first asked her you know despite the fact that we may have expected rumsfeld to be unapologetic can we still be disappointed. you know i think it's ok for people to feel disappointed about it if they do feel disappointed however i for one felt absolutely no surprise when i heard that he was
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unapologetic and combative that's what he's known for it's donald rumsfeld i knew that he was going to own up to anything the one thing that did surprise me though is the fact that he did have one regret and that was the fact that you failed to resign in two thousand and four when the grape scandal broke out i didn't know that he really wanted to resign but he claims that you know he really wanted to and bush wanted to keep them. so he decided to stay yeah but it kills me that you know he also writes that he wishes he would have resigned it was a regret of his but it's because he became a distraction it's not because he felt so bad about what actually had happened at abu ghraib but the way the detainees are being treated is just really just started bothering him and his career was getting in the way which is absolutely preposterous if you ask me but you know one other thing that he reaffirmed here which we've heard a lot is that the plans for invading iraq basically were brought up being discussed just
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a month or two after the attacks in september eleventh you know this was coming all along the way and i'm just wondering do you think that at that point in time even though they were telling us allies that there was still you know a core group of americans that would have decided that you know it's worth it to do whatever it takes even if it's not just going after osama bin laden go to iraq do whatever you need to retaliate and you know whether that's changed at all now whether you know two wars and ten years later that core group is still there. i think that that core group has absolutely changed it's important to remember that before we invaded iraq there was a lot of misinformation that was basically spread by the bush administration people were deceived into believing that saddam hussein was directly responsible for what happened during nine eleven that's why the bush administration had such widespread support for invading iraq in the first place now that information has real
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information has come out and people know that saddam hussein was not responsible for nine eleven people know that he was not harboring harboring weapons of mass destruction of course that core group of supporters no longer exists there might be a couple people out there who still think that invading iraq was worth it but you know for the large part you know people are not in favor of that war it was not a popular war at all now one thing that i found very interesting which donald rumsfeld did is kind of a new tactic he set up an entire website and on this web site he actually released hundreds of pages of documents and he even put a clip up on his web site where he basically explained why and how it looks as play that really quick. some folks may wonder about my interpretation of the document just as they may about the trivial periods of history during which i have served in most cases these documents were written in real time never edited and as a result contain numerous misspellings and even errors. numerous misspellings
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and even errors i don't know what do you make of this strategy i mean it's almost like he's trying to release some kind of wiki leaks documents out there and saying here you judge for yourself when you take a look at them but at the same time i mean i'm pretty sure that they're all very favorable towards rumsfeld that he hand-picked them absolutely absolutely you hit the nail on the head he hand-picked these documents he put them up on his website you know i think both his memoir and his website are efforts to salvage his image and you know also of course his memoir has to do with making a little money on the side but yeah you hit the nail on the head he's just wanting to release documents that people are going to read and say you know what maybe rumsfeld had a point maybe invading iraq made sense maybe he was it you know in the wrong when it came to making these decisions to invade the country i did all has to do with his image but i wonder how many people might start copying this new trend of his to
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just to set up a web site and put the documents up there but you know we spoke about the fact that perhaps americans perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised that really he was unapologetic but what do you think that it would have meant to the rest of the world specifically you know to the arab world if donald rumsfeld had come out and said i'm sorry i'm not i wish i would have resigned after abu ghraib because it was a distraction but i'm truly sorry that this happened you know perhaps i made some bad calls in in supporting and saying go ahead with these tactics. i can never imagine a day where rumsfeld would say something like that i mean that that would happen when pigs fly but you know it all depends if you are seeking diplomatic ties with the arab world then of course you would apologize for the interrogation methods you know the torture the album grave scandal you would apologize for those things but rumsfeld and the bush administration were definitely not in favor of building
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diplomatic ties they just wanted to invade middle eastern countries so that's why rumsfeld would never do that and you know during the two thousand and eight elections one thing that i i will never forget is when obama said that it was important to have conversations and discussions with leaders in the middle east so you can really hone in on what their intentions are and you can build diplomatic ties and i remember the right wing was like no don't do that that's crazy or talking to the enemy but you don't want to do that so that's why people like rumsfeld would never apologize for the interrogation methods and the things that he did wrong during his term with the bush administration but that's also perhaps i guess why you know this area get an apologetic view is now unfortunately you know placed upon so many american leaders where has more people you know apologize for perhaps certain calls that they made in the past than it would put us in a better position today especially what's going on with what's going on in egypt and i thank so much for joining us. thank you. well as we watch protests and
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revolutions unfold in tunisia and egypt we have to look at the role that young people have played the young people that make up nearly thirty percent of the population and many middle eastern countries who are educated and increasingly unemployed but it's not just a middle eastern problem you see it's global from the us and europe to the middle east north africa even china an entire generation and now is being coined as last disaffected living in wait hood so can the global economy recover fast enough to create jobs for all of them over they simply lose out and be skipped over well joining me from our studio in new york to discuss it is gregory white from the business insider greg thanks so much for joining us now like i said this really has become a global issue and how much of it can we say is based soley on the fact that what they're just simply aren't enough jobs for all the young educated people that are
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ready to go out there. was a lot of it does have to do with the global slowdown i mean we've six period so large recession over the past several years and there just aren't jobs there because the demand isn't there for the end product but a lot of it has to do with structural problems of thing governments around the world and by that i mean that they are in efficiently run that they're designed that there's too much too large a public sector too small private sector and you can't really experience the growth that's needed. to get these people back into work now what about if we talk about you know the growing disparity too between young and old there is this huge gap right now we have so many baby boomers that are aging that are really clinging on to their jobs can we have any hope at least thinking that you know maybe a few years from now the baby we were is will start retiring and then all of these positions are going to open back up. well one of the big problems is that when the baby boomers retire they'll be spending less money and if they're spending less
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money then that means that there is going to be less demand for you know everything in the economy from financial services to food to supermarkets to clothes as well so maybe health net medical services would be something that would go up but other than that it's going to really have a negative impact the retirement of baby boomers on unemployment not a positive one great so basically unless you want to be a nurse or doctor you're screwed for the future. but you know also let's expand it to see what we've seen happening in tunisia in egypt you know we've seen a lot of young people now that are protesting in revolutions unfold we even saw in london earlier this year massive protests over two issue hikes why do you think that we see this happening really everywhere else except for here in the u.s. i mean we've seen a few protests in california especially in berkeley in an oakland but not on the same scale. well certainly what you saw in tunisia and egypt is a little bit different because you also have food price inflation there and things
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are much worse there than they are for you know the general unemployed young person in the united states in london you have an activist population in the city that's able to take advantage of those those opportunities they have to them and protest and get out on the street against these measures that directly impact them and people younger so that makes sense there but in the u.s. you've seen the u.s. government kind of flood the market with cash for these kids coming out of school and one of the other things the u.s. government does is they've ease the rules around getting student loans so if you're still in school and you're still taking on more and more debt it doesn't really matter that you're unemployed if you have you know can get that graduate degree the big problem is going to come when all of these people come out of school and they have graduate degrees and there's still no jobs and that's one of the problems that china also is actually having right now is they simply have too many people with too many diplomas in their hands and nowhere to really put them but let's talk
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about psychologically the way that this will have an effect on this generation too because you have a lot of people that are i love this term the biggest business you could use are in weight which is that you get out of college maybe then you live with your parents and you're kind of just waiting for something to happen it gives people the notion that you know finding a good job depends less on hard work and more on good luck so are they partly going to be stuck in that rut that type of mindset. or it certainly screws up the heads of a lot of people when you get put in this situation if you're two three years out of employment out of school or even just one you begin to think that there's no job opportunities out there for you and then you start to lower your expectations as to what job you'll take and if you have that amongst a large cut of the youth unemployment then you're going to have a commie that's kind of lowered its expectations on what it's going to eventually get which is not good for a country certainly not good for the united states but it's trying to grow its way . out of the problems it has with its deficit so this is
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a dangerous thing absolutely so then you know at the same time could you say almost that having this structure this cushion where you know people that get out of school and can still live comfortably and live off their parents is going to hurt the u.s. more than other nations because you know we're going to fall back in terms of innovation and technology and progress if we just start sitting in our own you know lazy filth. all it's sort of hard to say you know because there's there's there's good and bad things about it right this better than people but for people to be in their parents' basement and out on the street but at the same time you're right i mean people get discouraged when they're spending all this time not doing anything that it's going to have a negative impact in the long run but what else do you do i mean as a government what else do you do then provide health care or you know a little extra cash in unemployment insurance to your population so at least something comes back in the economy and these people can find jobs there's really no other choice well it's definitely like i said a global epidemic and i feel like it's something people should be paying more attention to we hear so much about the unemployed around the world in the u.s.
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and maybe there's just that thought that young people have so much time before they really have to find a job and start saving for retirement but we will have this lost generation or a lost decade if something doesn't happen soon greg thanks so much for joining us. still to come on our show tonight our tool time winner involves a video game immigrants and a truck or not and we come back and military strategy for the twenty first century admiral mike mullen is releasing documents saying of the u.s. needs to shift its focus when it comes to our military will discuss the revised tragedy with all mcclary as soon as we return. to the.

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