and i have to sign alcoa and general electric are topping the movers list on the dow jones falling two point eight percent. given markets and lower on tuesday and losses for financial stocks and some all companies told dropped two percent in paris and any slip one percent in the last as worries about production continue to weigh on the sector while it's elise like saudi could group rose after reporting strong earnings. the russian markets close in the red as r.t.s. and in point three percent lower than my six lost over eight percent indices were dragged by banking and energy stocks but all in all the markets were mostly profit taking the day. for some information that you're going to the bank rep so that they might in the short period of time sell more. which is the board during the crisis with a huge profit the greater the risk of shares over here and people don't like the house on the back of this was what was and so off that's all from me in the

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with mike stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines kaiser reports. hello this is r t the global news broadcaster from moscow thanks for choosing us money kevin owen and these are all top stories tonight followed intervention in troubled libya gets closer as the u.s. troop positions its naval forces in the region while the u.k. refuses to move using military assets against gadhafi. meantime fresh satellite images of the rest of the. western claims of gadhafi military or civilian protesters. day one of much heralded overhaul of russia's police to try to boost

public trust in the force but many say the revamp is only skin deep. twenty three thirty moscow time thanks for being with us next. but look at the impact the turmoil of the arab world is having on the u.s. economy right now cause a report coming up for you in just a sec. max kaiser and welcome to the kaiser report you know money printing by these central banks causing all the trouble there's ever yes max is causing revolutions all over the world but you might ask once again to hit america other than these union

protests happening in madison wisconsin what's going on in the u.s. well let's talk about this first headline here eighteen sobering facts which prove that the middle class is not being included in this economic recovery and i'm just going to go over some of them yeah let's are fairly you mention money printing of course that causes inflation and we see that in his point number five gasoline prices in the united states recently hit a twenty eight month high and you often talk about the fact that in fact gasoline prices is the most crucial of all so in egypt and tunisia wheat prices are very important because a large part of the average person's budget goes to food and this includes eating wheat based products in china it's rice in asia it's rice and the united states is gasoline because essentially americans live in their car they drive from suburbs and excerpts into whatever job they might have and the heat. basically gasoline and

all their manufactured products gasoline is really the only point at which the average u.s. consumer makes contact with the economy in the global economy and for this reason it's been kept artificially low for years as the basis for america's foreign policy is to invade a country still again. and keep the people driving a wal-mart another one number eight almost fourteen percent of all credit card accounts in the united states are currently ninety days or more delinquent right well this is a huge growing scandal because the banks in order to feed the monster of their credit card business they keep offering more cards with more onerous rates and it's a huge ponzi scheme this is just another one of the ponzi schemes within the huge global in american ponzi scheme that is collapsing burning made of style if we're comparing the us to the rest of the world in the middle east which is on fire now if military dictatorships there and the united states we have financial

dictatorship there so in that headline in this fact you see a sort of predatory behavior towards the population a fourteen percent of the population is even on able to pay their credit cards and what are you doing extending credit to them well i think that's correct you used the phrase financial dictatorship and it's a kind of a velvet dictatorship in that you believe that you're willfully just racking up huge debts on your credit card but then when you scratch the surface and you see that it's tied to let's say a food stamp industry that's financed by the likes of j.p. morgan to provide credit to go into debt to buy basic food as being resident prized by manipulation on the futures markets by the same j.p. morgan you understand that it's a dictator who's really if this rating to you use your word to disenfranchise the average person in a way that there it's hard for them to notice that it's not about a gun to their head it's about just quietly bankrupting them let's go to point number ten americans now all more than eight hundred ninety billion dollars on

student loans which is even more than they owe on credit cards so here is this real attack on the young generation which is what you see going on in the middle east these are the young rising up against the middle aged and old. there are people who control this the military oligarchies there and the united states we have these financial darkies and the youth are the ones that have been bludgeoned more than any other but it's sad really because that's your research and development costs are expense the government should not force their youth into indentured servitude to pay off university and college loans that once again go to intermediaries like sallie mae and other so-called quasi government sponsored entities to make bankers rich again the government should want to increase educational standards increase the brain trust of america so that america can compete but by making students into

debt slaves all you're doing is making bankers rich these people can't compete on the global stage any more and it's an extraordinary short term view of how to run an economy obama i mean is where is this guy he's basically consigned the next generation to the scrap heap of history and then finally on this let's talk about number eleven because you talk about these young people having to compete on a global stage well average household debt in the united states has now reached a level of one hundred thirty six percent of average household income in china average household debt is only seventeen percent of average household income so there you go that these americans growing up who are saddled with student debts and now family debt they're having to compete against the chinese who not only have a better education system at this point have less regulation at this point and more freedom at this point but they have less debt well we've seen the financial dictators at work in madison wisconsin the financial dictators go into the state

assembly and they put their man in charge the recent republican political operative and they say either you strip the community of their wages and their rights or you are going to end up being prosecuted in some way in a fair. this way by the bankers themselves so those people in madison wisconsin now are being ushered into the into the gulag because of the financial dictators that are running riot in the country but also this odious debt burden on the young is also a great destroyer of innovation and entrepreneurship of course because it limits your options well let's let's you know contrast the experience of donna says america and iceland they both went into the financial crisis iceland refused to pay the bankers debts the economy went into a depression for two years another growing again and they're coming out of it the u.s. did the opposite they mollycoddled the banks they bailed out the banks they left

their population out to dry and now they're still in a depression and they're not going to come out of it now and you bring up madison wisconsin where the union members are being attacked by governor walker now this brings me to a next headline showing the decimation of american middle class the for a one k. generation is beginning to retire and it isn't a pretty sight now the important thing is this chart and this is from the wall street journal you see there is a gap of thirty thousand three hundred ninety two dollars per year for americans who are retiring on for a one k.'s and the gap is only three thousand nine hundred eighty two per year for those americans who have pensions i have workers who have rights are not suffering so badly as those who are you know free independent operators in the private market where we were told in the one nine hundred eighty s. when we were all put on to these for a one k.

reservations that this was the answer to have independence and take control of your own future well apparently it's not turned out so well it's much worse actually because there's two underlying fundamental flaws in the assumptions number one that the current foreign. one k. plans are estimating that they can achieve four five six percent return on passive investments like bond investments that's now no longer possible and won't be possible as the economy in the globe continues to collapse and number two of course this is all priced in u.s. dollars as the u.s. dollar is collapsing of course the price of imports in the price of gas and energy has been talking about is going higher so these retirement accounts as bad as they are there it's much worse yeah and finally on that i mean they do recommend in the article that americans are told to put nine percent in there for a one case but because the stock market collapse in the bank or if after that they're saying now or you put fifteen percent let us still more of it one way to

protect yourself from these banking shenanigans of course is gold and we heard to the global stage where we're having to compete against chinese a chinese gold standard question mark china's grab for gold this accelerating at a rapid pace and it's reason questions about the country's ultimate intentions china consumed one hundred seventy five point two tons of gold in the fourth quarter of two thousand and ten bringing its grand total for the year to five hundred seventy nine point five tons that's a lot of gold the u.s. in comparison consumed only two hundred thirty three point three tons but we know what their intentions are the government said they want to buy another fifty six thousand tons of gold and that's why i think they're making these to investment in europe because they want to be paid back in gold bullion europe's got eleven thousand tons of gold and that's why they're buying things like g.l.d. which is the exchange traded fund in the new york stock exchange for large institutional players you can take delivery in physical gold bullion so it's another way to increase their gold position of course are going to go through

a gold backed currency this will force other countries to do the same but all first increase the capital flow into the chinese economy while simultaneously devaluing against the dollar because they do have less than there isn't for knox so they hold all the cards over there in china they're running the show but the proper. and us here for the financial dictators are telling you don't worry number one first of all that i m f that capital cappo of the financial darks technically a full gold standard isn't an option for china they say under the i.m.f. the first amendment to article four of agreement ratified in one nine hundred seventy eight participating countries are not allowed to peg their currency to gold and then john nadler from kitco dot com. the apologist for paper bags he also argues that china loves growth too much to switch to a gold standard they would have to forget about eight percent growth he says well first of all i.m.f. people listen to me i.m.f.

poll closer into the screen let me explain what is it about what about these two words don't you understand currency war one what don't you understand about that in other words we're in a currency war there is no law there is no rule is to fog of currency war china is not playing by the rules they have been playing by the rules for thirty years they're going to start playing by your rules that's ridiculous and of course a side there that a gold standard thwarts innovation is dead wrong of course entrepreneurial as i'm loath to have a barrier in which to entrepreneurially leap above that's what makes that old saying that the system is the mother of invention when you have all your engineers going from mit and stanford into wall street to create financial derivatives and to financially engineer a new products all that has resulted is a surfeit of trillions of dollars worth of paper and has stifled innovation bibber currency stifles innovation

a gold backed currency would increase innovation as it had done for hundreds of years leading up to the nine hundred seventy one period when the world went on a pure paper feat of currency standard and all had the relative valuations and the great fandango post nixon disco. era of. trading like you do on the disk go for what's company i can't that's on the show continue well i might say finally max that china is the world's biggest producer of fake goods so if they're getting out of fake currencies and buying gold i would say you should too all right well that's all the time we have for right now stay here with thanks again for being on the cars report thank you max right now don't go i want to come back i'll be talking with a fellow up here on the show about gold so don't go away. i

welcome back to the kaiser report time now to go to london and speak with john butler founder of m. for a capital and publisher of the for a letter john was previously head of index strategies for deutsche bank in london

and before that he was managing director and head of interest rate strategy at lehman brothers in london john butler welcome to the kaiser report thank you max all right before i go any further i want to jump right in here and address a big issue that's circulating around the blogosphere principally from my shed lot otherwise known as mess very well traffic blog site he says that the fed cannot control the long rate they can only control the short rate but having seen your presentation in london recently that's not true is it talk to us about this well i think i mean to be fair to michelle i'm somewhat familiar with his origin minutes and i think that it's important whenever you talk about something happening in financial markets that you have some concept of time horizon and i think as a general rule he qualifies that view by pointing out that they can do practically whatever they want in the short term but in the long term there's no way it can

work and so there's maybe a little bit of subtlety in the argument but more a version of this is that even in the short term where people do except perhaps central banks have more influence that influence in the longer maturities out the yield curve is in fact for stronger than most people think it is in part. because the lower interest rates become the more long rates become correlated with short rates what i'm saying is that it's sort of taken for granted that the central bank sets interest rates at the short end but as you move out the long and they're set by the mortgage and under normal circumstances i would argue that's true but as you approach a zero interest rate that is a floor below which interest rates cannot go then mathematically almost by definition the link between short rates and long rates becomes stronger because you're approaching that zero bound so the central bank in fact has far more influence over long writes in a very low interest rate environment such as that we're in today i want to read you

a quote from an investment advisor on yahoo finance warning people not to listen to gold bugs here's the quote the precious metal asset class has no cash flow and no earnings it's only worth what someone else has is says it's worth how do you respond to this well i respond to it first of all with a bit of a chuckle. there are times when earnings are uncertain there are times when cash flows are uncertain and in fact there are times when those earnings and cash flows are being determined almost entirely by the artificial monetary policies of central banks rather than being set by any reasonable free market in money and the more manipulation the more arbitrary policy you see being implemented around the world the more unsustainable you believe it all is the more you want to get away from those earnings you want to get away from those cash flows why because they carry the risk of devaluation and default if you don't want to take the risk of default devaluation and default you need to look elsewhere historically gold is that

elsewhere as are certain other real assets so people who are still looking at cash flow analysis when the cash flows are basically being determined arbitrarily by a central bank will they need to really trust that that central bank knows what it's doing and it really is doing what it says it's. which is to preserve price stability are they really their historical track record isn't very good in that regard let's look at china for a second there is talk that china might introduce a gold standard your thoughts on this and what about the argument that introducing a gold standard limits growth ok first of all the china issue there have been rumors going around for perhaps a year or two now that china was considering at some point pegging their currency to gold moving on to some sort of gold standard i certainly think that's possible and if you consider it from china's point of view i mean they've really got a huge problem you know the old saying is if you know if you owe the bank

a little bit of money you have a problem if you owe the bank a lot of money the bank has the problem will the united states owes china a lot of money and naturally the united states therefore has an incentive to try and make it easier to service that debt and of course devaluing your currency is historically the way that countries go about doing that sort of thing so china is very concerned they would like to find some way of moving away from the dollar but obviously there's not another major global currency which is an obvious replacement you might say the euro could be a replacement but the euro has issues right now with its own sovereign debt problems so it's quite logical that china would it at a minimum consider moving on to a gold standard whether they do it or not is up to them obviously the the other point. that you raise i mean. you need to when thinking about alternative investment generally when thinking about gold and silver generally i mean historically i mean these were the primary stores of value

i'm sure china is not the only country thinking about moving in that direction but you know this idea that the comment was does introduce a gold standard limit growth and this is something that i hear all the time but you know innovation are i mean yeah i only just finished this you know the idea of having a gold standard of course would fall. entrepreneurs to innovate and innovation creates jobs and jobs create growth what we've had a last ten or fifteen twenty years is all the innovation all the engineers have left mit and stanford and gone to wall street to create financial innovation which is create lots of paper and america's competitiveness has dropped like a stone so you can't that argument doesn't hold water doesn't even make any sense so a gold standard would limit growth in fact in foster growth it would be the one thing that would create jobs and growth would be to make the rules fixed so that entrepreneurs knew what you know what they were what the game they were playing at but let's move on to something that you've been talking about in a moment in

a recent newsletter john butler. you say that developed world stock market valuations have reached levels normally associated with major asset bubbles ok so forget about gold being in a bubble because clearly we can talk about why it's not a bubble i want to talk about why stock markets are are in a bubble so let's talk a little bit about that john dollar talk about stock markets and how they've reached stretched valuations well i think you simply have an ordinance amount of stimulus of various kinds of have been thrown at the global economy and as i mentioned earlier borne yields are in theory determined by the market but in the very low interest rate environment in fact central banks have a lot more control over the whole yield curve and they can bring it down to levels which really just don't offer investors much in the way of an acceptable return so not only do investors consider alternative assets such as gold but they consider just equities and indeed some investors they really aren't allowed to hold

commodities in size they really aren't allowed to move into gold and so if you think. too low well then you're basically forced into the equity market and so part of what's happening is that investors are throwing their hands up and they think well given this very difficult choice this this dilemma we will hold equities because if we do get into an inflationary environment as a result of all this money printing presumably equities were up for form bonds if you look at historical periods of inflation as a general rule equities have outperformed bonds of course those periods however can be temporary because it's some point those valuations go so far that you get a real you get basically a feedback loop where people start piling into equities just because they're going up you start getting bubble like characteristics and then of course eventually it collapses almost regardless of what the central bank does it's starting to look a bit like that now right so we're describing here is that the government and the wall street and they fused together now it's really become neo fascism in this way in the united states they're able to corral investors into. overpriced markets by

offering nothing in terms of alternatives so people go into the stock market looking for a two or three percent yield on a blue chip quote unquote s. and p. stock and they're buying these at absolute stress valuations only to have the rug pulled out from underneath them once again as we have happened so many times in the past and you mention the dot com bubble we don't see evidence of the dot com bubble however we do see evidence of an incredible bubble in the unlisted dot com ask stocks like facebook and zynga facebook getting a fifty billion dollar valuation what goldman sachs it's not a publicly traded company it's a privately traded company they broke the law in allowing more than this the regulated number of people to invest in this that of course goldman sachs is above the law they're doing god's work but the valuations on those private companies are in the many tens of billions of dollars now so we are seeing actually a stealth mazz deck bubble and i'm what i'm hearing john butler is you think that

these valuations have reached the maximum point and would would not be uncharacteristic for another big collapse coming for these stocks that could certainly happen but we need to think in currency adjusted terms if the dollar itself collapses i have no problem with u.s. stock market valuations going through the roof so if you do get a serious pick up in inflation or god forbid hyper inflation occurring in the u.s. or elsewhere the stock prices go up in nominal terms but in real terms in purchasing power terms in wealth preservation terms the stocks or overvalued here in particular versus alternative assets which do not carry devaluation default risk such as gold right so you know it's not an alternative asset you know gold gold has been the main asset for thousands of years how these guys been able to propagandize to such an extent as to make gold quite an alternative investment how does how are they able to do that how are the paper bugs able to push their agenda so

successfully well people. generate fee income by originating risk by selling paper into the market and by trading it back forth and sideways once it's out there these people naturally have an incentive to talk about financial assets and to talk down all turn it is you're absolutely right for most of history gold was hardly an alternative it was front and center of the global monetary system and even in day to day transactions gold was used although silver was more common for that purpose so you're absolutely right but the industry does have a huge incentive a huge bias to tout paper forms of wealth because after all it's by creating that in trading that they get paid we need to be very skeptical that there's like an inherent conflict of interest between an institution that makes money by originating and selling paper and trading paper and their take on the relative attractiveness of paper versus something else all right finally we've got about less than a minute left i just wanted to get your take on this what was talked about recently

a davus that the world needs to create a new one hundred trillion dollar lending facility to recapitalize and bail out the entire global economy of course it would be two times the global g.d.p. that's one hundred trillion dollars in credit would something like this the paper bugs is just a last stand. and basically it couldn't succeed or is that just basically fanciful talk and we shouldn't even take that as ever possibly going to succeed because it's completely nonsensical john boehner well you can't put it past them i mean the fact is that history is littered with examples of policymakers doing increasingly desperate things when in fact those things are increasingly counterproductive i think the evidence is increasingly clear when you see out of control food price inflation around the world to the extent that it's toppling one government after another i think it's clear that throwing money at the problem isn't working and for them to claim that just a little bit more money will somehow miraculously be enough is well. to be honest

sounds a bit pathological it's as if these people are pathologically pursuing a policy of printing as if it's somehow a panacea well it's not it's causing disasters in one country after another they should've stopped throwing money at the problems a long time ago and started allowing economies to restructure naturally without artificial stimulus both monetary and fiscal they're digging themselves a deeper hole the first thing to do is stop digging it will be painful at first but ultimately it will lay the foundation for getting out of that hole unfortunately sadly the incentive structure for politicians is in some ways as screwed up is that for modern financial institutions and we just can't expect when their conflict of interest is such that they want to remain in elected office we just can't expect them to make the tough choices we're going to have to do that for ourselves it's not economics it's pathological i agree with it john ballard thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thank you max all right that's going to do it for this

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