and they're trying to figure out how many dead people it takes to keep the price of gas down a penny and this is that they see the world is all about dead people versus the price of gas how many dead people per penny and of course if they needed kill more people to keep the price of gas down another penny then they're all for it so they have these you know cheerleaders on c. and b. c. these overly coopt only make one in kind of bouncing around saying a kill people as long as gas prices are down another penny and people think this is a cage fight of america is that they've created a global cage fight to keep that but going forward stacey the fact is that price of gas is going to continue to go higher for a lot of different reasons so barack is going to get into some other business other than the exportation of mayhem and murder i would imagine well let's look at this next headline because america as i said is very concerned about what the price of gasoline will be so could the next mideast uprising happen in saudi arabia so this is from editorial written in the washington post by rachel bronson

a senior fellow and director of middle east and gulf studies for the council on foreign relations so this is the grotesqueness comparing what how the u.s. policymakers think how tony blair and george bush and obama and hillary clinton how these sort of people think and how it plays on the streets here is just. shocking the united states has a great deal at stake in saudi arabia though americans often look at saudis with distaste as one senior saudi government official once asked me what does the united states share with a country where women can't drive the qur'an is the constitution and beheadings are commonplace she tries to answer it's a tough question but the answer quite simply is geopolitics and that you know unlike saudis u.s. educated liberal elites cronyism so we have a few cronies there so why do we care if they suppress and repress the entire population as long as they give us their cheap oil as she mentions here she says

they're generally committed to reasonable oil prices yeah i mean this whole idea you heard from tony blair during the iraq war invasion there's no such thing as blood for oil and this is really a joke and it's obviously blood for oil it's tony blair is guilty of this george bush the current administration barack obama of course by his reluctance to get involved in these freedom fighting movements early on and has a very standoffish attitude about it that's blood for oil that's a guy who is supporting. death in exchange for cheaper gas per his handlers per the mandates coming down from above that's cronyism that's despicable that's what people want to escape from whether it's madison wisconsin from ohio to cairo people want to give out from the yoke of these crony ists these kleptocrats these banking occupying you know larcenous to professional murderers that's right and

to go back to this woman's editorial rachel bronson from the council on foreign relations and we were these people are very integrated into how u.s. foreign policy is conducted and why she also says don't worry about saudi arabia our oil prices are going to stay fine gasoline prices will stay fine and the reason is that the saudi king is able to get thirty five billion dollars plus these are the positives. and she says he's co-opted the opposition the government has a monopoly on violence there indeed so the saudis are taking no chances and have arrested people trying to establish a new political party calling for greater democracy and protections for human rights so don't worry oil pricing as they find has he's arrested all the human rights activists he's got a monopoly on violence he's the mcdonald's of violence he's serving up make violent burgers every day he's the kentucky fried violent meister don't worry price of gas won't go higher he's a star violence but you see this conflict that what it means to be a puppet is you it's

a live well but it's always very short because you have children and they have children and you get this mass murder ocracy in saudi arabia it's five seven thousand princes and princesses that need to maintain a princely lifestyle and it becomes more and more expensive and more intolerable for your population to see that but part of being a puppet is you're not allowed to use any of the wealth for your own population so you end up being to capitated but if you try to even change it. and start getting your population to share in the resources you get to capitated by another group you know the cia are hit men economic hit men things like that. capitation but never do they see capitalization oh no that's the american specialty whether it's the americans prince class like timothy geithner or ben bernanke the jamie diamond lloyd blankfein american princes who rain down upon the people with their love of a penny here to nickel their own thank you lloyd blankfein doing god's work. oh mr

deity and so you see this and these two headlines about colonel gadhafi who was a good buddy of tony blair they they went camping together in that little tents and the camels many times and tony blair brought him back into the global community and watching the news here and talking to local people and reading the newspapers they target tony blair as the reason that this guy even had any power so first colonel qadhafi secretly moved four point eight billion of his own money to london last week so next headline libya colonel gadhafi must go now says pm amid mounting pressure on dictator so then the u.k. where who are all khadafi who thought he was buddies with these these cronies and these crooks and these autocrats and despots there he transferred all his money there and then they seize the assets so it's a hard time being a dictator you should run the wax museum in london and you could just stand there all day scaring people you know like looking like

a wax figure and then who. am his good buddy berlusconi you know this or donny blair the new wax museum. all right stay here with thanks so much for being on because a report thank you and i want to come back i'll be talking with many this is an interview that i did a few days ago so stay right there will be right back. really you believe this and something instancing. from the realms. of the future

covered. welcome back to the kaiser report time now to go to cairo to talk with two time pulitzer prize winning journalist anthony said deed he's a foreign correspondent for the new york times he divide the time between baghdad and beirut but today we think hiero and a lot of the guys report but it is more pleasure taught things like all of these revolutions that are going on now across the region and change the narrative from muslims are bad to arabs or good and now saying that there's a total shift in the perception of the arab world as now they are on the forefront the cutting edge of democracy that is is that there's a tremendous pride in the hearts of people there now you know i don't think it would ever occur to the notion that muslims are bad necessarily might be the perception elsewhere but i think you're exactly right that in europe world right now here are the winds of change there's absolutely a fundamental we think of what arab societies represent and it's breathtaking it's

breathtaking in both its scope and also it speed we're talking about basically two months january and february in which to dictators or to say awkward terry and we are so fallen when people have taken to the streets depressed demands that have gone and so for decades it was a very fundamental questions of societies the relationship between citizens to their leaders the relationship between religion and state the relationship between different opposition parties the ideological trends they represent are being rethought renegotiated in trying to be reestablished along a different formula this is breathtaking this is one of the most transformative moments in the arab world or at least in the modern history of the arab world now i just threw up you know fairly what i'm referring to of course in the west in america for example the that were fed. on the mainstream media is this narrative that there's no such thing is the arab world there are only muslims and they're bad that's what the west has been spoon fed this narrative that us that is financed the military industrial complex financed the terror industry at the us supply stock

financed the the tear gas canisters that people found in the streets and cairo now talk to me a little bit about the role that wiki leaks and social media played in the revolution it seems clear that wiki leaks was the spark and tunisia and that's the spark that drove this entire revolution across the region yes or no i think you would you can't underestimate the influence of what some of those wiki leaks disclosures meant for people to where innocent tunisia but i want to agree to be careful overstating the impact of both wiki leaks and of social networking sites absolutely played a role in organizing and people together and spreading the word about the protests of the demands of these protests have made but we're really seeing in tunisia but i think more spectacularly in egypt is the fruition of years of organizing that's gone on course it's being led by youthful protesters it's a generational change a demographic shift that we're seeing in europe well we can't underestimate the forces the other forces are there in play in places like egypt we're seeing labor

unions organize discreetly a person now very powerful it's one of the that's one of the main dynamics going on these days women's groups islamised groups and we've seen a kind of a cross-section of society that has mobilized and is going to the street it has been successful pressing their demands sure whatever you have a dictator ruling over millions of people they're not happy and would be great they think they're involved but until the existence of social media that wasn't possible now social media came on the scene and suddenly because of two factors not only did it enable the revolution but it also happened under the nose of the barrick who i'm sure when was told there's a facebook revolution going on there were three weeks ago one it's ask a very interesting question what is facebook so the. a complete disconnect between you know it take care better power for decades who probably if ever you know have it has not to work a day in his life suddenly confronted with what is facebook and in that gap if load the thread i think that's all restating it to be honest i don't think you can save

face because this revolution if there had been organizing going on here for ten years if there had been a labor mobilization starting five years ago if there hadn't been a collision between islamist groups and secular groups in this country they were delusional whatever happen to facebook and syria nothing's going to happen there in a syria you see the societal transformation going on for years now and i think the forces that we're talking about they've been unleashed by this revolution are far greater than the social networking says i'm not trying to minimize their role but we're seeing is a new moment in the arab world and it's a moment when one generation is taking the place of another generation i think that's what's driving change from morocco to bahrain all right let's talk about continue on the thread of finances the the monopoly the financial monopoly that is a currently in place does the military relinquish that financial monopoly because according to one sunny outlook that actually egypt. over the past couple of decades is actually been a pretty dynamically fast growing economy he d.p. wise and so there is something going on there is the military going to step aside

and let a more free market take take take its place from the monopolization of the mill and the military and the washington consensus as it's referred to i think the reason great point because this could be one of the really interesting things going forward it may be counterintuitive as well what you've seen there is a lot of clout let's be frank about it there's an incredible in a classroom sentiment in egypt today and the class resentment helped drive this revolution a very clear fashion because resentments come from these new liberal and the international monetary fund type reforms that have been instituted over the past decade in egypt it help propel the just an economy forward but also dramatically increase the gap between rich and poor and at the same time created a class of what you might call crony capitalists it will regroup or. around president what accent the backlash against these people against the reforms that in some ways of our don't and these are very powerful current egypt today so what you could almost see is the military stepping in to turn back those reforms the military course it's going to preserve its place in the economy you know people say

it represents maybe ten percent of the economy it's that kind of state controlled type of economy but you don't hear demands out there in the street today for the military side relinquish its economic interest is to more neoliberal forms if the state of the economy if anything you hear the opposite you hear that cookie was calling for more subsidies for better salaries for you know what could have been called in the back another generation socialist type reforms in a way that cushion the circumstances that are people living in so i think that's the one thing that's not you know it's almost counter counterintuitive or it's a counter narrative in some ways is that the states being asked to take care of the people more rather than less ok well then how would you contrast the fact in the region with what we've seen now in latin america because that's been kind of a shift from the nail liberal policies to a more socialist model is that what you're saying that that's the people are looking for a that is a model that's right i think you're seeing a specialist worldwide we're seeing a very pronounced egypt especially in again i keep going back to school but it's important with this demographic shift those demands those criticisms are becoming

louder and louder because in this generation that we're dealing with right now the generation that was out in tahrir square is the world in some ways been hit the hardest by right so let's go into the future five years you've got revolutions in tunisia and egypt and iran yemen libya iraq algeria morocco other themes are common to all these protests five years from today. what are we looking at is it going to be i guess what we're saying is the people and including the massive strikes that are coming from the workers are looking more for what we've seen and in the latin american region so is that kind of did do you think that's where we're heading in five years of the have a good probability of that happening or will be you know a retro retrograde. move back to the old way i think that you're dealing with you know let me be superficial about it or maybe trade off a little bit more you know once i fully answer i think what you've seen here now is it is the reverse of the formula that has long held sway in the arab world and that is that rulers are beginning to be afraid of their people and that's

a repressive will you have for decades here was it were afraid of the rulers i think that very i was a cliche in some ways but it's very powerful currently you feel not only egypt elsewhere authority and the prestigious authority has crumbled i think if you take a step further who will really deal with them and it's as you're pointing out is a renegotiation of the social contract but we're going to want to overstate the economic dimensions to it is absolutely driven in part by him of course through actions but there is incredible political awakening one out there as well and that is that where this contract is be renegotiated it is you know idea of individual rights the idea of accountability of the government the idea of people having a say in who controls their lives these are issues that are almost intertwined seamlessly with these economic demands are seen as one in the same and into corruption and accountability of the government individual rights people who just say and who rules the obvious coming together and one very loud voice in a voice that i think in contrast to past years has consensus in a society we had if you're a liberal if you're a leftist if you're islamized these are pitted people pretty much have joined

joined hands of ground around those demands while it's interesting to see the response in the western media you know you have the extreme right personified by let's take land back over there fox this who is on network television in american product asked him to millions and millions of people warning about the muslim caliphate that's going to take over the world and you know it's it's propaganda of at its worst so we know what's going on in the west there freaked out because they lost their lunch their free lunch with them a barack who think lee recycling a military dollars back to the defense contractors and abusing of people doing it so but what's the perception in the in the arab media i know al jazeera english after many years being in the wilderness is this type of al that they're. modeler there are new modeler that is the media changing and forget social networking and there are an explosion of journalism that they've personally generalism you know which is sort of the beginning of that i mean the idea of somehow restoring islamic caliphate it's just you know it's breathtaking ignorance to claim that this is the

dynamic of this revolution right now if you can we're seeing you know one of the trenchant been a b.a. the waning i think of islamised leadership of oppositional singer currents emerging the societies that are organic script their own language the representative that we really had in the arab world before i think that's what's so exciting to a lot of arabs today is that different voices are executing their frustrations and their hopes and that's something that because governments american supported governments have not allowed for years and even decades i think if we go forward it's probably not quite fair to sales as it was in the world and it's always been the most popular arabic satellite channel and it remained so i think if anything it's been able to ride this wave of revolutionary change in tunisia egypt and elsewhere it's been able again to articulate in some ways what these revolutions represent it is interesting also that point that you made that other people are starting to kind of change their tell you look at egypt where you have state controlled media state controlled television newspapers you know newspapers have gone to same supposedly fantastically there were millions in the street supported

mr mubarak so now calling it the revolution of the youth t.v. is not the same thing now t.v. which was just an instrument of those older propaganda is now basically interviewing protest leaders and talking about the aspirations of the revolution it's again because back to we talked about a little earlier and the very foundations of these societies are being rethought reimagined and reconstructed and that i think is why these revolutions are as important as they are a major threat point out something i read today without a arabia the me and that region assange of iran. the whole region and i strive to cook up some fair at saudi arabia clearly as the campaigner in the region they got a close election simple united states they've got the petro economy and they have the most to lose. in the region if you want to you know put israel's eye for a second but they've got the most to lose. at sun are they ultimately is saudi arabia going to be swept up into this or is that where kind of the revolution and

the borders of saudi arabia but when you put this person saying you know he's very little reason goes why should the whole region go i mean just two years ago the same writers were saying that the very unhealthy to severe societies was the reason for the emergence of al qaida of bin ladin's and now we're seeing societies in some with become healthier places people who are responsive to their populations interest in the populations demands of the populations are demanding art and determining who rules them that's the revolution that is creating a healthier society and you know are we going to lose american allies in the process is israel going to get scared of the government that emerges perhaps but is that is that too high of a price to pay for healthy functioning societies that can offer more hope and generations to come back on for it all right well that's all the time for half a day apnea thanks so much for being on the kaiser report my pleasure it's on that's going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacey herbert and i thank my guests anthony shadid if you want to send me an e-mail please this at kaiser report at r.t. t.v. that are you until next time i think but.

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as colonel gadhafi once again refuses to be prised from power a humanitarian crisis is being played out on the libyan border. as a flood of refugees also reaches year up oil prices spiked and there are fears that radical islam good take hold of me would have brought it with patience leon breasts could have far beyond the region. a clash of the news titans between america and the world. the u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton says the u.s. is in a name from a friend wargrave foreign media and is losing it among those who are winning the

war she named r t i'll be back with more in just a few minutes. live from our studios in moscow you're watching r t thanks for joining us with the libyan leader colonel gadhafi is promising more violence if u.s. or nato forces there to intervene well it's his latest salvo as he bids to cling to power meanwhile the u.n. is warning of a humanitarian crisis as thousands of libyans flee across the border to tunisia archy's paulus leader has more on the situation in the region. at least one hundred eighty thousand people who have so far fled libya and some seventy five thousand of them arriving here in tunisia most of them are foreign labor as they are being housed at the border point intense where they receiving food and medical supplies aid workers who are on the scene are warning that this is reaching crisis point and

we're hearing reports of crisis and chaos at these border points as gods struggle to keep the situation under control now the fighting is continuing throughout the country at several times between forces loyal to the leader moammar gadhafi and rebel forces particularly in those areas around the libyan capital tripoli government forces are struggling to retain control and create create and keep in place a buffer zone around what is still the leader's stronghold there are increasingly fears that the situation could deteriorate into civil war now discussions are continuing at the united nations over a proposed no fly zone over libya now this idea has been suggested by the british prime minister david cameron if indeed he goes ahead and commit some south to it in essence britain would be committing itself to shooting down aircraft now the idea has been rejected by many in the international community including russia they say that it is for libyans to determine their own fate and their own future it is worth

noting though that british troops are in the libyan town of bint ghazi they've been it for nearly two weeks and there are also growing concerns that they might take over chemical weapons stockpiles that are in that town and this is because london has indicated that it has fears that gadhafi might use these stockpiles against his own people the official reason though for those british troops being there is humanitarian reasons it's over also the official reason that's been given by the united states for warships that extend to the region if there is it is washington might be used or at least are they are planning to use them in humanitarian efforts but that all options are on the table and this has raised concerns yet that they might be behind. seems some kind of plans for international intervention despite libyan saying that they do not want to have this well as the libyan crisis rages on some foreign powers are weighing up whether to get involved phyllis bennis director of the washington based think tank the institute for policy studies believes that

nato's military intervention is unrealistic and its recent posturing is just showing off this is an old story in washington where humanitarian intervention is the excuse of the day i don't think we're going to see the possibility of troop deployments or even necessarily ship involvement i think this is partly a show of force to intimidate gadhafi and to make nice as it were to the new leadership that will be rising in libya to create a new government when gadhafi is overthrown there is no doubt that people in washington and london and elsewhere are scurrying around desperate to figure out ways of ensuring that they get in on the ground floor with these new these new governments that are going to be in power that there are oil companies that it chevron and b.p. rather than russian or chinese or other oil companies the people of libya face an even harder challenge than than the people of egypt and tunisia and other countries

that have existing governmental institutions in place that they can take over and use as the base in libya there are no such institutions there is no parliament there is no constitution all of this is being created whole cloth it's an incredibly exciting moment for people in libya but they're paying a huge price in blood to make that possible the democratic revolution that is underway in libya are indigenous home grown revolutionary processes and they don't need you u.s. government forces to teach them about the mocker see they are claiming it on their own and that needs to be respected. well more on the fallout from the un breast in the middle east and north africa in just a moment but first let's take a look at what else is ahead for you this hour a war of words hillary clinton calls for reinforcements saying america's battle for hearts and minds has been lost on the globe's t.v. news screens. and a step back a whole millenia and follow our teams closer to more of a ritual for

a legacy of out of slidell. and the ripples caused by the aggressive north africa and across the middle east are now being felt far and wide are getting a good maps out the situation. let's look at the implications of the ongoing unrest in the northern african region and what it means for the rest of the world geographically libya tunisia egypt in algeria and these are just some of the countries affected by the civil unrest there just across the sea from europe and estimated hundred forty thousand people have already fled unrest in libya into neighboring tunisia and egypt but the local who will actually stay there is rather slim it's only has already received as many of thousand refugees who continue to pour into the country france greece and spain may just be next in line even before the. prospect of massive immigration has always been europe's

was the night. in real terms it has never been substantial we have always been below thirty thousand. every year. clearly the overthrow of the government poses a whole different set of issues and what europe will be able to do. it depends on the ability of actually cordingley among some of the governments most affected i mean imagine if time is not overthrown i mean business cannot proceed as usual after something will have to be if i work on the map of libya in terms of oil production facilities will see that eighty percent of that oil producing territories right now are under rebel control now europe takes over eighty five percent of libya's crude exports more than thirty percent of libyan oil goes to italy fourteen percent in germany ten percent.