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arab countries fuels anti muslim sentiments and the european states taking them in kelly's new interior minister has become the latest politician to enter the immigration debate he says does not belong in your. back of another update for in about thirty minutes from now in the meantime ati's sophie shevardnadze is joined by two leading world affairs academics for a look at what the future holds for troubled libya and its neighbors and why foreign nations need to keep out that interview is next. stephen it's really good to have you back at casuarina rangar who will so good to see you again so stephen has come out with a new book and it's called the victims return survivors of the cooler after style

and that's coming out in london next week. for you to talk about what's going on in the middle east because some shaking is coming out and now it's being seriously discussed at the u.n. and u.s. could. into libya what do you think are we seeing a cause of iraq here i think it's very different than iraq i think iraq was a moment when the united states in the name of democracy to form democracy by bringing democracy at the tip of a bayonet or with bombs and i think we're seeing the ripple effects of iraq in the region. i'm opposed to u.s. intervention i wish the united nations had more capacity to end violence and bloodshed in countries like libya but i think for the u.s. to intervene. would be dangerous because the countries in the region themselves it seems to me as we saw in egypt people in those countries need to take control of their own destiny and i have not followed libyan politics carefully but i think

we're at a tipping point in the country where the forces arrayed against gadhafi will alstead in the next short yeah i do think so you're seeing that so for the u.s. to intervene would create a backlash in the region that could harm the possibility of future democracy in that very unstable and important region being older than i have a somewhat longer a very united states as it were very militarily and so many countries and i liked are very were i was it worked out for the better country makes the point american intervention. discredits the alternative to return to its own accord appears requirement was overthrown with the backing of being married staying there and of course another variable in domestic workers you're seeing. any additional what we're seeing in egypt and. it's not clear these are pro-democracy movements or user and. they're striving towards they want to get rid

of a dictator but getting rid of a dictator or them really doesn't necessary for democracy actual process in these countries will be very difficult. we're going to go a little democratic culture of american intervention with american hard one a good one. if intervention is necessary it should be. united nations and. a group of united nations was created in an effort at maintaining things and to interfere with the war and violence is going to a lot of corporations you're going to be rich people who care about the future of this country should be in the system. at the united nations not in the white girls . i mean for you all know how decisions are made or is that really matter well but part of the problem in the countries we're watching in the middle east now is that the institutions of democracy have been so guarded and attacked over the last

decades by the despots and power that it will take generations to build those institutions but in the same way the u.s. relationship with these countries has been so heavily dependent on military and national security relations that it has distorted our relations and so we talk a good game in the united states of support for democracy but we've really been supporting stability in support of oil or in support of other measures so i think we need a new national security policy or new thinking to use a term that was popular in this country in order to develop a relationship that would emphasize economic development which is going to be critical because so many of the protests in the region have to do with economic despair and joblessness and i think support for civic governance not the meddling but just actual changing relationship so it's away from military it's a more civil political place to look up a situational generally how lessons are throwing for what's going on right now in

the arab world well i do the lesson is that you're witnessing people who have been suppressed and repressed for decades who are disgusted and fed up with the cronyism. corruption certainly suppression of not necessarily democracy put people's ability to lead their own lives and in anger about the joblessness but i do think that corruption a sense that these interests were willing to put in their own sons and with family despotism has led to something we rarely see in this world we saw we saw some of it in one nine hundred eighty nine in this part of the world but it's people rising up and seeking their own destiny it's never as simple as that but i do think that that's what we begin with and from there it will get very complicated i think in america i don't know about your country but there is a sense of you know democracy has no regime change has barely come these dictators

have been ousted and what follows will be a measure of international support of non meddling of countries ability to come together and find the resources i come back again to economic development i really think that's going to be critical in this region because you have millions of young people and that's how it started in tunisia it's like you know john when i was a young man who couldn't get a license and who was discussed by the corruption and religion itself up on fire and suddenly you had the same just and then finally you had the ability to communicate because social networks are not to be treated lightly people were able to see if you could get rid of a dictator in one country it could happen the problem the united states we're going to come from there's a lot of things we're going to draw out of the media. and corporate interests here and pluckiest it isn't going to reduce the force spirit but it's all very much for

mr secretary there was a revolution as a story. i react badly for a generalization in egypt for example. where little turing machine. for the country that's not well fortunate for your call the regime change at the moment it's a leader change i don't know what's going to happen in the interim you should still be interchanged we were the revolution when we talk about a desperate foreign so there's a lot of misperception in the other. us in the united states i think is that the united states should do something word to shepherd you notice a bird shop or i pay a farmer a guy just walk up she already has cattle to run the idea of the united states has to shepherd countries it is of course worse and better organised radley these countries will make it a wrong part of the role of the united states that's going to stay in the situation but there is a danger of a debugger and political involvement of your god which would be

a risk i mean there are two things that have arisen in the united states in the last few days one is of course the renewal of democracy promotion this idea that america has the right or the wisdom to impose democracy on other countries and you see a lot of this in the commentary president obama should bring democracy to egypt or bring democracy to tunisia that's not our role we need to get our own act together inside our country but also of course there's a concern that there will be even more terrorist threats and danger in the region as is the feeling yes that the instability will fuel terrorist threats where you could argue the opposite that the repression of the possibility of democracy in these countries has given fuel to terrorists who have been i mean have been angry and enraged over these last decades by the u.s. occupation and presence in these countries it's a very tricky time i'm not even talking about the role of israel in the region in the united states there is presently of israel and iran and also well iran i think

is in an interesting position because there's iran has become again as it was because of the failed iraq war more powerful in the region and i think or oil and other factors may make it even. more powerful with israel in the united states you have a strong support for israel and a concern that it will lose allies the fact that you had mubarak as its main israel's main ally has caused many supporters of israel concerned i think you will see a region which is not going to be anti israeli but will not be as willing to support agreements that have been so inconsistent with the human rights of palestinians and so inconsistent with the rights of other countries arab countries and in the region but there is great concern among those who feel israel be threatened by the changes here's ago obama sought to reset relations with russia but humans are there to talk about so far well there are achievements agreement cancer is nothing new here and

we speak in a more climate away from each other or from countries other and more cooperation in afghanistan and there was a view that there was going to be more cooperation on around but i think that was an illusion the big achievement of course was going to start treating you very much for being with your weapons or i've just written a long manuscript about this and i think information that we said was not only extremely limited going into the ring and struggle because we undermined disagreements it created really a new cold war after night. really going to be all four of them and all of them and on the economy being an issue for example why was the reset even necessary why wasn't there a strategic partnership after much for granted or the strategic partnership in order to offer your grandfather created with reagan and bush that was lost after going to be one. united states. but that's not

a direct correlation there at all going to the car secondly nato expansion has clearly been a big issue i still think is the biggest stumbling point between america and russia it's even bigger than people understand and i will tell you why the president may be out of service. in russia as in title for a sphere of privileged interests in the former soviet republic security or things in political life and we say you know we deny the states not when we say no because no country is allowed to have a sphere of influence and we are it's an evil what is the expansion of nato it's an expansion of the american sphere of influence a vast expansion into the territory we used to be a sphere of forms of soviet russia so moscow says from washington why do you get it and in our backyard and we get none this is the big geo political conflict over it and there will be reset now there is a solution but nobody is prepared to put it forward in the united states. till this

problem is solved and there are going to be no partnership or no research that you know steve speaks as a scholar of russian the soviet union but he doesn't speak about the enormous opposition even this modest reset has confronted in the united states you had again a republican party which for decades has supported bipartisan arms control treaties and how many republicans did you finally get seven i think at the most so the reset is modest i agree with steve's analysis of the ongoing problems but the fact that it's still under fire in america is a failure of both the history of this holiday this is a leadership this is one area where presidents and so i mean there was power in foreign policy gorbachev and reagan were opposed by their own parties but they overcame it made better is being attacked in moscow for the reset obama there but this is where leadership is from where but don't forget these guys in the area this problem you know expansion obama didn't expand you know he did not even heard of

this problem it has to be resolved any group worse by the doing remember the united states is still saying that georgia should become a member of nato and saakashvili is saying yes we want him and the united states is even. crane crane should become a member of nato even though even a crane says he's not interested now these are fundamental conflicts and we already had one war over the us in georgia and another gets rid of i know who'll stephen cohen thank you very much for this interview. wealthy british style it's. like. a. market.

i know what's really happening to the global economy with my stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to cause a report on our. top stories this hour president obama has reasserted the u.s. could resort to military action in libya if violence goes on reports america has already asked the saudis to the rebels and you can france is said to be dropping a un resolution aimed at imposing a no fly zone. and media reporting from libya is accused of blowing the rest out of proportion to good headlines conflicting reports on who's in control of different cities and the number of casualties from the country suggests the truth is still hidden from view. and the massive inflow of illegal immigrants from violence toward arab countries fuels anti muslim

sentiments in the european states taking them in germany's new interior minister has become the latest politician's went to the immigration debate he says islam does not belong in europe. i'll be back with more news more about its innocence fifteen minutes from now in the meantime kate is here with the sports news ok after all small draw matches the night acknowledges that liverpool chelsea now have a chance to to narrow the gap at the top and yes that's right they're struggling but the blues forty six years. hello welcome to the sports news and here other headlines blues target sound reasons chelsea i recreate blackpool this evening to boost their fucking title defense hopes in the english premier league. while stars as you mean to go on as if it can actually transfer less the lords his players after beating taste and if the

russian super cup. quarter final his regular season champions are going god make the last eight of the playoffs with a seven three victory alone with a human. well they also could use a calm but first let's start with football and chelsea hope to boost their slim title defense hopes with a trip but pool on monday evening in the english premier league the fourth travels of the north west twelve points adrift of leaders manchester united but with two games in hand manager call on chill out it has slight the stance of a defender rees and midfielder john. didier drogba could be in line for a start off the mandatory six look internet his first chelsea goal against the time to read inside the worst defensive record in top flight however blackpool have already claimed several big spells this season doing the double over liverpool and beating top the last time was key man charlie adam and d.j. campbell is suspended as in following his team game to record a first home win as we said against chelsea for forty six years. and meanwhile on

sunday dirk out scored his first half trick political as the reds doesn't announce tonight it's reward as on field suarez provided the assists to put in place for defenders and told me that everything from the start to accounts and mystical first have a hand on his graft and stoppage time consolation for the resistance elsewhere steven fletcher grabbed a last gasp equalizer as moves through three three with top of the russian striker no longer have a chunk of its first in the second half. crowns a quick look at the table ahead of monday's game shies tulloch this little race has become united and i just three point. i had a boss who have a game in hand the two sides have to play each other at the emirates and made the first match to city on the third and chelsea are currently in a battle with tottenham for the last champions league spot as yet still house those two games in hand while at the bottom it's within then walls and they are coming from champions going in there in the relegation zone but it's really tight down there too with five points separating the bottom seven it seems. well here in

russia isn't going to be trying to split he has praised his side's character. all milt so if the russians to pick up substitutes alex they all have netted the winner in the traditional curtain raiser to the new russian football season muscovite side have followed all scoring opportunities throughout the match but said that his side found an x. on some three weeks. in it and i showed you it's great it's got to get in april in the quarter final of the russian cup but before that both both were playing in the last the local league on thursday incidentally f.c. then say he's got his support and. i mean while robin van persie is the surprise selection also champions league squad to face boss alone on tuesday the dutchman had been expected to miss the last sixteen second leg time having not played since injuring his knee in the carling cup final on thursday the twenty seventh however about a person's inclusion came as another boost to manager awesome venga who only a said captain says fabregas is ninety percent going to be fit after missing three

games of the hamstring injury but the gunners will be without injured alex song and theo walcott's asked mother king to defend a two one first like victory in a camp there just a draw would put them into the last eight meanwhile dos alone are missing both first choice central defenders as captain car is out with a knee injury and gerard piqué suspended. found that match of the county is one of two taking place on tuesday and the other shock target at school face growing by the grade in champions managed to surprise three two first a big three in rome will be hoping to make club history or weaken the last eight for the first time. however the catch lou that hall will be staying on the buying unit for the european counting but he said to leave the club at the end of the season this decision follows a string of domestic losses the latest being saturday story one loss of hanover where the club suffered its third successive defeat for the first time in over ten years i was all behind in the sixty minutes and the habit of doing it constantly rushes past. the shop and buy

a home. isn't sitting straight faced in the seats behind i am things which get much worse for the very inside a little touch from the head of mario gomez getting to know in the fifty first minute. i was just four minutes late so i am hoping gave the visitors some hope when he connected with frank reboost cross. but a horrible mistake but i don't think it's most often helps the story and i was to go to the arctic in the sixty second minutes sledger pinsent credited with the gold so she wants how i define a sport so why stick to this place for misleading us however of a whole group i decided to do the range of the champions league campaign by when the first leg of the last sixteen crashed into milan one nil the size meeting again at the allianz arena in the sixty s. i am a great little seven times guy and there in this place a million seen points adrift of leaders percy dortmund iraq and i have

a business at that place inside as. i saw in our regular season champions of unguarded sealed the last spot in the conference semifinals of the continental hockey leave after winning that deciding game with mr hume seventy three it like it was going to be an even a fairly on our guard scoring three times. and i haven't got the right to have the second later in the game however this to him it kept pace in the first period pulling back to go when just three two down but it was all i haven't got after that exciting thank you i. it's twenty seven two. he got off and it's a. good solution haven't progressed into the last eight. while waiting for them back on the slope by his cigars the two will play each other on wednesday in game one of another best of seven series and they choose the right match up between the second and third seeded teams in the east and the other side

three time defending champions act gas will face off against powerhouse it's all about the wire both teams are gets released during this season have expressed the opening line not just against police and c.p.s. respectively. and over in the western conference the local t.v. has trouble faced lucky inside another reader and the other contests also pieces but also start spots for clowns and those games taking place cheese day. meanwhile russians are fleets finished off the european championships and start in paris winning three more goals on the final day as they finish top of the medals table i've been calling that he actually should have claimed the long jump time for beating portugal neither government's point just wanted some tomato and immunity. plant on the track when it releases and that was followed by a victory when it's full blown off in the greatest event. in total there were six goals the russian who claimed and i will tell you the fifteen medals punishing

france came in second or germany managed with a total of ten guns. and is now in russia's davis cup campaign came to an abrupt end of the weekend following their shock defeat away to sweden but there were no such problems with spain as the top ranked nation praised their way past winners belgium well number one rafael nadal and his colleagues have put back notice on a berth on saturday and they were looking to complete a whitewash on sunday and show on their all who's just returned from injury was at his domineering best against libya rushes the spanish left hand for and down the line which is about six. then the honor lopez had the chance to make the overall score five mil for spain but steve dahl see gave his all to salvage at least some pride for the home side that soon needed time breaks in to success thus celebrated its mission. and it went down to the wife of last year's beaten finalist front if there is austria in their opener the i cannot see how big

a deal similar to time to try to. get the balance the french musette against martin fisher who is right outside the top one hundred however fisher was the faster out of the blocks taking the first set six two charges leveled matters going second on a tie break and he went on to wrap it up in three states. next up for france and germany to overcome croatia but that's not easy evoke all of it in the deciding this brother spain will next play the usa to an easy win as against chile argentina face fast rising kazakhstan who started the czech republic last week and beat russia treating tied with all this serbia. bassam n.b.a. action where kevin durant response of his choosing best at the open i'm a sitting on the still of the phoenix suns in overtime for their third win on the trot it was a back and forth not you know go home against cancer time again for the visit is nine seconds to go to make a definite. drunk then had

a chance to pinch the win for oklahoma city that missed a better shot and not to regret it you can't really call it a season three for us it's from pretty intense but it is even worse because the top school for the summer is the fourth because you can sign steve nash who also lost the last three points or so the first one is you can one see the sixty. and finally to the world rally championship where seven time defending champion sebastian burns back from his slow start to the new season. by winning in mexico for the third straight time lets such an teammate sebastian o'shea top the time she's heading into the final day that he's crushed most only on the fifth. and no one advantage any stage and moving on and that's michael forbes finished you also because hogan in and out of the thought of having three to the podium is the overall leader often with those ways in sweden last month that sucked in the

conference interest took them back. and also i think some. pleasure is that so much as i can which of course is what kind of defense will be on the drawing final until the collective bargaining puts america's democracy credentials in the line of fire but is this move to break a fray back. home . mom.

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