well you know. this is the only. book in the loader show where we get the real headlines with none of the mercy or can live out of washington d.c. now it's a will ask if obama is really acting like a leader some of compliment to the president on his pragmatic approach to foreign relations law others think that he's too scared to use the power at his disposal and more news out of pakistan as the relationship between the obama administration and the i.s.i. continues to deteriorate over the case of raymond davis or discuss his fate and the implications of this could have on the war in afghanistan and calling all fat cat

bankers that you've got someone coming after you protests for make wall street pay continue and we're going to talk to a member of the group about their goals and obama has done a one eighty after promising to shut down guantanamo bay when first becoming the president the obama administration has now announced the military tribunals will resume so why the change of heart or to find out and it's international women's day so we'll look at the different ways that people around the world are celebrating and fighting for women's rights we'll have details on all of that and more but first let's move on to our top story. the situation in libya continues to escalate as moammar gadhafi continues to turn airstrikes to try and stine the rebel advances yesterday rumors began circling that could offer he had made an offer to opposition forces to step down if they allow him to leave the country but the opposition says that there was no such proposal today they get cut off the a seventy two hour

deadline to leave his post if he doesn't want to be pursued for the crimes that he has committed and of course we're now saying that the u.k. and france are already drafting up a u.n. resolution to establish a no fly zone that nato is also assessing the possibility and neo cons here in the us are already beating those drones as well perhaps the least aggressive and vocal on this situation has been president obama obama the privatised the negotiator the lawyer or as some in washington paid it obama be non leader the man who's not using the power at his disposal that's how our guest tonight john ellis paints it so is obama not stepping up to his global leadership role or is it just a change that some in washington aren't ready to confront joining me from our studio in new york is john ellis political editor of business insider john thanks so much for joining us so let's start off with this notion this assertion that obama is really taking advantage of the power at his disposal that he isn't really

acting like a leader perhaps just a senator and not president obama why do you think that's the case. well i think i think there are a lot of people in washington who would like you know we're. unnerved by a middle east that is seemingly come unstuck they would like some guidance or direction as to what u.s. strategy is and how we're going to deal with it and i think what they're seeing is president obama being very careful how he responds and so you're getting a lot of drumbeat from washington asking him to be more forceful more direct but you know if the situation today is so volatile then essential a little bit of caution a better idea than just acting recklessly. it probably is i mean the most interesting thing is i don't think the american public in the case of libya i don't think the american public wants to have anything to do with getting involved in any

kind of nation building operation there same holds true for egypt so while the president is being criticized in washington he's probably doing just fine with voting public which doesn't you know having gone through two nation building exercises in iraq and afghanistan has basically said enough is enough we don't want to do that anymore why have you bring that out that's right if we look at the recent rasmussen polls that show that think the seven percent of the u.s. doesn't think that we should get involved especially with the situation in libya here so if obama is going to be a good leader and a good president is new supposed to listen to his people or just a few neo cons that basically want to bomb everyone and everything here in d.c. . well i think he has two obligations one is he can't get too far out ahead of where. the electorate is if the electorate doesn't want him to do this or that at

some level he can't do it but i do think he has an obligation to sort of stretch out or sketch out what he thinks our strategy is going forward the good news about that is that because he's the president united states he has all the time in the world to sketch that strategy out and patience is probably better than acting you know in a rush so. he's probably doing just fine but it's some point i think he's going to have to lay out what the strategy is to deal with this new middle east. looks like he's really been like we said cautious about this slow here to act where as we now know that the u.k. and france are drafting a u.n. resolution for a no fly zone we know that nato is trying with the idea but realistically if a no fly zone were implemented would it be the u.s. that would be leading the charge. i don't i don't see any other nation leading the charge in and i don't think the electorate will wants obama to establish an i phone

no fly zone i don't think the electorate wants the u.s. involved in libya or egypt or tunisia. you know in a direct way. the view is i think that those people can work out their own situation so obama will probably not go forward with that he certainly said every signal that they're not going forward with it and probably stick to that. but so then what's the logic coming from these people the the john mccains of the world that are here in washington that do want to say they do want obama to be more aggressive the do want a no fly zone implemented right i mean even secretary of defense robert gates here is asking people to be very cautious about this type of decision because make no mistake about it as he says this will be a military operation so what's the logic behind pushing for another military operation in a muslim country by america i think what's going on is that people are unnerved and

anxious about you know. you know in an overstated way the middle east on raffling. they would like as reassurance the president to speak to that issue and to reassure them that everything is going to be ok and in the case of they would like him to intervene i don't think is going to intervene because i don't think the electorate wants him to intervene it will i think eventually have to speak to what the strategy is to this new middle east that's emerging but as president of the united states he has the luxury of time because he's not under any sort of he's not under any deadline to speak about it and just have to speak at it one speak to it when he's ready to speak to it but what kind of reassurance would be enough you know what would the right words be to appease this crowd. i'm not sure i mean i'm not sure that there is if you look at what's happening. it's it's

something that could go off in any number of directions we probably won't know what the future looks like for another six months to a year maybe five years so it's unclear to me what it is that people are looking for from him because the situation is so unstable and can go in so many different directions that said. you know there is some criticism of president obama that i mentioned in the column which is basically that he speaks in a passive voice he talks like a senator as opposed to a president. i guess some of that is fair and it's certainly you know. gathering force if you will in washington our john thank you very much for joining us and you know i just think what if john mccain had been president today what a different world there would be and of course what a different tone we would be hearing definitely more of a more aggressive side as you were noting but i think there are

a lot of people out there who are enjoying obama's caution and his pragmatism here at least appreciating it thanks so much. thank you. ok so it's no secret that there are a lot of people that are unhappy with president obama's performance while in office but as you know that he's having trouble getting over school kids as well and internal memo the white house claims that it's facing a shortage of applications from high schools that are requesting that the president speak at their commencement ceremony you see the white house turns it into a competition every single year where schools across this country apply for president obama to be at their school's graduation but it turns out not nearly as many schools applied this year usually the president gets at least a thousand requests but this year they've only gotten sixty eight and the deadline is just days away so opes it somebody from the white house forget to send out a memo to all these schools hey what's going on here that nobody wants the leader of the country to speak of their eyes school graduation maybe students were

concerned when they heard about a threat to their privacy maybe they got worried about the government's threat to wiretap everyone's business on social networking sites you know facebook is a staple for kids these days or maybe they're upset about how the economy is doing under his administration let's face it a lot of high school kids won't be going to college if they can afford it so who knows frankly the possibilities are endless but we're here to offer a solution mr president we hope you enjoy this flyer that we've created for you tired of the typical snooze fest that comes with commencement ceremonies are sick of hearing those dr seuss quotes before you get your diploma do you want intelligent yet cool guy to speak at your high school graduation or you're in luck because barack obama the president who plays basketball and who created the white house home brew wants to speak at your school just reply to mine that's the ball and beer those are definitely things that high school seniors can get into if the whole leader of the free world thing doesn't work. now still to come tonight new

details are emerging about the case of raymond davis who bring you all the latest and we'll look into how this case could create a conflict between the u.s. and pakistan and finally more and more americans have come out to managing the back out bankers ahead details on the make last three paid movement and we'll speak with one of the group's members right after the. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right now. i think. the well. we haven't got the says we're going to keep him safe get ready because you get your freedom.

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a government owned corporation established back during the depression that currently has about twenty thousand inmates in seventy prisons and they make everything from clothing to office furniture solar panels to military electronics who knew but here's the really interesting and perhaps important part of this story the prisoners who made these missiles make as little as twenty three cents an hour keep in mind the u.s. make billions by selling these patriot missiles to allies are getting some of the work done for mere pennies now on unicorns website they proclaim if they supply numerous electronic components and services for guided missiles including the patriot advanced capability missile so the next time you hear about some really big u.s. weapons deal made with one of our allies just know that some hardened criminal probably helped build it all for about twenty three cents an hour doesn't seem quite right does it. the case of raymond davis a thirty six year old cia contractor who's accused of murdering two pakistanis

continues a pakistani court adjourned today without making a decision on his face and pushing the next court date to march sixteenth for the use the u.s. says that davis should be given diplomatic immunity and they argue that he was acting in self defense of pakistani officials say davis should be tried in pakistan they claim that davis was working in the country without their knowledge and they have demanded the cia release the names of all the agents operating in the country so needless to say it's not a pretty situation but it's a much bigger than just raymond davis has a relationship between i.s.i. and obama deteriorated now to a new low and what will that mean for the war in afghanistan joining me from our studio in new york is scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott thanks so much for joining us tonight now what do you see you from this situation do you think that this relationship as i said between the obama administration and i is is really just completely melting

away. but i think you know we have a very dramatic situation in the foreground with raymond davis and all these complex claims about diplomatic immunity or absence of diplomatic immunity but that really is just sort of a smokescreen that hide a very very serious rupture and the relationship between two intelligence communities particularly the cia and pakistan's department of interest services intelligence i.s.i. we know they've they've had difficult relations for years but in the last several months they've grown far more serious and indeed lethal because of course we see reports now and the pakistani newspapers that the two men who were shot by raymond davis were in fact low level i.s.i. operatives who had been assigned to tail him because he had crossed

a red line that delays evidently to some surveillance activities he was engaged in the u.s. of course is discounting these claims but nevertheless that would help to explain why the i.s.i. has become so engaged here and has become so riled up and the issues that exist between them of course neither of these spy agencies wants to launder wanted their dirty linen in public but we have some sense of what the questions are we know that drone warfare is a major issue i.s.i. believes that it and the pakistani government should have a far greater say about what's going on in pakistan we know that i.s.i. strongly opposes the use of security contractors by the cia as you know they're demanding that the names of all these contractors be disclosed and they believe that there are hundreds of them we know that there are riled up over the fact that

. the cia has been spying on pakistan's new killer position including its efforts to develop the livery device the bob or missile and finally the question of terrorist groups in pakistan and in fact ray davis when he was apprehended had photographs of madrassas that were believed to be centers you also indications in the sim cards in the records of some of the mobile phones you had of having milling communications with some of these groups but how much of this is really a shocker to the i.s.i. into the pakistanis and we know they constantly come out and they make statements and they try to hide their cooperation with the u.s. because obviously that's not something of their population likes to hear so it's constantly this secret elation ship secret cooperation that ends up coming out into the open and perhaps making it you know look even worse so would you say that. i don't really think any of this is shocking i think we'd know that about these

flashpoints for a long time what's happened is with this incident involving ray davis the i.s.i. has upon effectively he's been seized he's being charged and evidently with good reason because he clearly committed double homicides putting aside the question of privilege so i think they believe they've got a lot of leverage and a lot of pressure to use with the cia coming out of this and they they intend to do so they intend to see the cia move on some of these other issues so this is a really really in the end of the day not about a double homicide and the question of diplomatic immunity it's about far more momentous issues and some even said it's just a new hostage crisis now they've moved raymond davis this court date until march fourteenth or march sixteenth what happens if they do as so many are predicting charge him with murder. well in fact two days before that date on march fourteenth

the appeals court is set to make its ruling on the immunity question if things are worked out i think we might see this all resolved just by the pakistani foreign ministry suddenly stepping in and saying no we recognize his diplomatic credentials if they're not worked out you should expect that he is going to be indicted for this for the double homicide and probably a day later he'll also be indicted for possession of unlawful possession of a firearm and he will proceed to trial in this trial is going to turn on his claims of self-defense but he's going to have a very very difficult case to make on that point because in pakistan the use of self defense is required to be proportionate that is he with after the show that the two people he shot were actually brandishing and using a firearm on him to justify his use of a gun now scott very quickly what do you think this has what it think the

implications might be for the war in afghanistan here our relationship with pakistan is deteriorating i mean cars i refuse an apology from general david petraeus when it comes to killing nine afghan boys you know in a war where perception is so important then what does that mean. well i think one thing we can point very clearly is the whole pakistani supply arrangement because the united states and indeed their nato allies had been funneling most of the logistical supplies for pakistan up from the south through through pakistan and over the khyber pass and that's being severely disrupted right now and many of these security contractors have worked on security for the supplier arrangements and i think you know the u.s. is going to have to find other arrangements so it's making the war more difficult more costly and i think the posture of pakistan in the war far more hostile to

united states interests and to the interests of our mcgarvey as can i thank you very much for joining us and of course we'll continue to follow the case and training teams here. i guess today we told you about a new campaign that kicked off in the u.s. targeting fact cat bankers and wall street executives the national people's action network is calling it the make wall street pay campaign yesterday they came to washington d.c. to protest a meeting where fifty attorneys general were gathered they want the banks investigated for helping cause the economic collapse the foreclosure mess and for using tax loopholes to avoid paying into public revenue coffers after attending a meeting of attorneys general they headed to the bank of a bank of america branch near capitol hill to demand the bank pay its fair share of taxes. thank. god. activists made their way into the bank presented tellers

with their own past due notice chanting for them to pay their bills now the group eventually made their way to capitol hill so demand the congress and the speaker of the household wall street and the banks the accountable for their actions so how far do we expect this movement to go and what exactly are their demands here to discuss with me is jordan a salvo thanking campaign director for the national people's act for national people's action started thanks so much for joining us actually ok so last week we had a member of us uncut on this program which also seems to be a similar movement to be they're also going after the banks also saying they didn't pay their taxes so how does this differ from bills say yeah. it is a great great mission and we're we've been divorced their campaign and i think that with the stars and we couldn't be happier that you know that more and more people across the country coming to the same kinds of conclusions that you know it doesn't make sense to look for for the money to close these budget shortfalls you know grandma's pension or or in teacher salaries but that really you know get the money

where it is and words and we're it's increasingly is being ordered which is on wall street and if you're trying to make this a large. your movement then can't hurt pay you know you guys are perhaps not unified that there are so many different groups out there oh i don't think so no i mean there's some there's some substantive difference in how we organize. so us uncut as i think you know primarily they use the internet and in social media to mobilize people who are looking for a home looking for a place where they can plug into something bigger most of our members. our are people that are part of community organizations that day in and day out are fighting for better conditions in there and they gave us the time and space here they are saying well our members are all volunteers and our leadership in fact is all volunteers just people us ordinary people you know teachers and policemen nurses but we do have professional organizers that help them.

organize a status thing yesterday you guys went after bank of america you went to capitol hill and you you know went after speaker john boehner what about barack obama world do you think he might in office you know. the broke obama presidency i think a lot of us would say that it has not lived up to the to the obama campaign. and you know. the i think that you know barack obama probably wakes up every night with been cold sweats worried about you know a double dip double dip recession or that this could this could all get worse and you know but the problem is that meanwhile he's advised by a set of people who are trying to rebuild the system a financial system to never really work in the first place and that was that was flawed from it's been thought for a long time. so you know they're worried about they're worried about losing these big contributions especially after citizens united and you know i think it's there

are a lot of pragmatic decisions being made i think it's up to the people to lead a movement that's really going to take account. ability that's really going to force accountability for the big banks and for wall street but at the same time obama and his justice department are the ones that have made a decision not to go after any of these it back at bangerz not to hold anybody accountable you know at least in the courts for causing this entire collapse yeah yeah well you know i think they're you know they're they're probably. not enough kind of political hacks on television i don't want to be i don't want to be one of them so i can't speculate as to as to what you know why the obama administration is making this is making i can't disagree with you and we really would like to see a lot more leadership from the administration on these issues because they are crucial and vital and. you know to boot i think that the majority of americans would agree that wall street banks need to be held accountable having to pay their fair share to the taxpayers to stop these cuts that were seen and yet we haven't

seen that happen in my question you know i've asked this before and asked it's us and cut to you is the financial crisis happened in the fall of two thousand and eight right that's when we bailed out the banks here we are it's already march of two thousand and eleven why did it take so long for this type of a movement to form we saw the tea party but that is you know completely drifted off kilter off message into something other than good what it began as a why did it take so long yeah. you know i mean in my opinion maybe part of it is just the fact that right now is you know the budget cuts are really are really becoming a really looming and it's kind of hitting home for a lot of folks who are finally seeing some kind of action some type of austerity measures come their way to exactly right i think another thing is maybe a lot of the energy that. you know that people who are looking for you know for for more justice for fair deal for the american people a lot of that energy you know went into the obama campaign and then afterwards maybe we were you know kind of waiting around for the administration to take the

kind of leadership that we were expecting didn't happen and now i think folks are waking up to the fact that you know they need to take you know the reins of this movement of the. do you think that there's any way to actually make the government stand by the people make decisions for the people rather than for the corporations i mean or do you think our political system is a little too rigid where money is everything yeah well i wouldn't i wouldn't be you know i wouldn't be doing this work none of us would be doing this if we thought it was hopeless you know every every major advance in favor of working people and of ordinary americans has been fought for by ordinary americans and so you know we are you know we're fighting this fight i think that you know the more that. the more the banks push the more that you know people like the tea party push the more we're going to push and you know i think wisconsin is is is the beginning of something that could be that could continue for as long as you know the political

establishment in the corporate corporate power trading the way they are so you think this is just the beginning how we're going to see a bigger movement well i hope so i hope we see more americans come to the streets thank you so much for joining us thank you very much for having me. how one potential g.o.p. presidential candidate is revamping his in its image in a not so hot way however his make over is earned him a top spot in tonight's all time segment in about saif he's gone back on his mark president obama signed an executive order on indefinite detentions and is planning on resuming military commissions for gitmo detainees so the seal the deal they give no is here to stop. the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through get through between may who can you trust no one who is you know if you.