renia the latest in some instances. welcome back a quick look at the top stories now of nato and the e.u. ministers but the libyan crisis is in their size towards imposing a no fly zone that's despite no u.n. resolution and the fierce opposition of locals against foreign intervention. discussions about what to do with libya are hard to avoid as the u.s. vice president meets russian leaders in moscow among other topics joe biden hopes to do support for possible american military involvement. and as congressional hearings on the radicalization of america's muslims prepared to start in the u.s.

there are fears that it's little more than a religious which critics worry that people are being singled out based solely on their faith. the next spotlight talks to the u.n. general assembly president about the challengers brought on by the turmoil in libya . for the. we've got. the biggest issues get the human voice ceased to face with the news makers.

hello again i walked in to spotlight the interview show on our feet i'll do it now and today my guest in the studio is just dies libyan leader khadafi people to stay in power air strikes and shelling by forces loyal to power forced the rebels to turn to the united nations calling for international recognition of the new leadership in libya so how will the u.n. behave in this tricky situation here's the president of the u.n. general assembly just a that. switzerland has always avoided membership to any major political organization that's appearing to a policy of neutrality but when joseph di speaking the foreign minister of the country made every effort to bring it to the united nations today the international bodies facing tough challenges not least from libya and today just look nice now

the president of the u.n. general assembly has a great opportunity to contribute to the name of the resolution. hello mr dyson welcome to the show thank you i'm very glad to be with you it's a pleasure to have you with us well first of all let's let's start let's start with libya the government has asked that former foreign minister and your predecessor as president of the u.n. general assembly i lead up to do sylar three key that he be approved as the envoy after libya's u.n. and master was denounced how will the u.n. respond to this demand did you have a response of well libya will send its representative and he has been present his credentials that has not been done as far as an all for

the moment this is with the secretary general that it happens and then it's a question to know whether there is a member state who is challenging the representation of a country are not for the moment we are not so far ok well at the same time leaders are the libyans rebellion have appealed to the u.n. general assembly i quote we request from the international community to fulfill its obligations to protect the libyan people from any further genocide and crimes against humanity without any direct military in the intervention on libyan soil and quote so. is un ready to give some official recognition to to these to the rebels and is it possible as they say to protect them from genocide without intervention on their soil well u.n. has already given some clear messages. at different levels the first

one has been the human rights council who last week or the week before on friday had a resolution in which they are. sgt the general assembly to make a suspension of the libyan membership to the human rights levels of the budget has been to south korea this has been the side of the tuesday after and this decision has been taken unanimously or on what they call in a way where we have no vote a consensus so all the members are behind this decision this is a clear signal i would see in so far that you when with its largest body that mean well means well all one hundred ninety two members are assembled has said this is the behavior of this government which is no longer in line with our

fundamentals in particular human rights the security council also has. had a resolution in which apart from condemning in the same way these actions against the civil population there are two elements that are important the run is there the we for to the international criminal court so they think that actions that have been taken in this country have to be inquiry by the international criminal court and on the other hand they recalled also or what is something quite new in un what we call the report responsibility to protect that means every government has the duty to protect its own population and if this is not

a curing because the government is not able maybe is not willing then the region or if this is not possible the international community has to take action in order to protect the population and this is the point on which i can imagine the resistance in libya are appealing. now the question is to know what is to be done and for this it's not the general assembly who will be asked for but it's the security cuts so i'm not in a position to give information about what is actually going on in the security council i know that today there are private discussions that means discussions among the members of the security council which are not public on the question of an old fly zone what it would mean that this would ask the question how

can we do listen without informing the world the this is i think is the question it's a very very important and very hard to answer as it is a question to be answered because on the one hand united nations stands for its member states and their sovereignty and on the other hand there are some fundamental values united nations stands for and beyond certain limits the international community has a moral duty to protect those who are at the mercy of. governments who are not coming up to their obligations missed those i want to get back to this little of your suspension from the from the human rights council when it was suspended the it was said that the reason were the grass and systematic human rights violations you called the khadafi regime actions.

fragment human rights violations and said there can be no security or a development without respect for the rights you also are quoted as saying that in addressing libya's behavior the united nations boss through its credibility could you please specify what did you have in mind when you. when you said that all of the funding. antal the human rights. are protected by united nations and in particular by the human rights council there's a resolution which is at the basis of this council that's the pilates in particular that those who are members have a special in gauge mn or should be particularly. examples for the respect of human rights and that there's

a possibility they the to withdraw their membership or at least to suspend it if they are not respecting these fundamentals and i think that in the case of libya there was overwhelming or unanimity to come to the conclusion that what was happening in the case when the sea billions are attacked by their own army people gathering in the streets many most of them not arms this is clearly not in line with the basic principles of human rights also do you think that libya should have been in the council for in the un council for human rights in the first place i have not the opinion to have on this since it's the general assembly who decided ten months and go to elect media

this council well there have been more it's a straight jacket and been in there my opinion is this is strange yes no you must understand that as a president of the journal certainly and not in type to criticize this isn't the solution that had been taken on the other hand i can tell you that during the debate we had during the decision taken last tuesday some members have recently this issue. you saying why did we elect it lead to this council and we should not have done it so. i can understand that that in the actual situation even at that time this question could have been raised the truth is that it has not and. that's one of my missa just to the general assembly to a member states in general we have to stand much closer from my brain in to our fundamental rights and also we need to have the courage to say it when we feel

that. do you believe that the acts being committed by their fees government should be investigated in judged by the un international criminal court again it's the security council who has this combinations and it's fifteen member states who are five of them permanent members and ten are selected by the assembly i think if they ask for that knowing or so how careful and by verse of these members are from their origin positions and so on if they decide this unanimity there must be some real. reason to do this so i have no reason not to trust to their decision

and i would recall that it's even the american permanent representative who announced or saw that unanimity slee the security council has taken this decision. says joseph addai president of the un general assembly spotlight will be back after we take to show the great we'll continue this into the here in the studio stuff as they way are. to close the. book bringing you the latest in science technology from around the world. we've done the future coverage. wealthy british scientists scientists and time to lightly.

market finiteness. find out what's really happening to the global economy with much cause or there are no holds barred look at the global financial headlines kinds of reports. welcome back to spotlight i am now going off in just a reminder my guest in the studio today is just of di's president of the u.n. general assembly mr gryce you insert trip state hillary clinton has been making interesting interesting statements reasoner first of all she said that russia today around the company is a favorite source of information concerning world news well we're not being i

congratulated thank you not commenting on that but what i would like you to comment is you know the statement by hillary clinton she said that none fison own should be initiated by the united nations it should be under a u.n. mandate and it shouldn't be the operation shouldn't be led by the united states do you agree is this a wise thing to do and the side of washington well. the president of the general assembly and can only add that it's in any case not a decision that belongs to the general assembly if there is a mandate to be given it will be the security council and three business action. ok let's talk about the situation with the refugees as far as i understand the today we have almost one hundred thousand refugees that have crossed into tunisia since the uprising in libya began and then seventy five thousand have gone. the other way

they're going to egypt does the international community have a plan to do something to help these people because this can be this can be a very serious humanitarian situation is it i would say this is a more immediate issue even. humanitarian one and there are we have different levels of intervention for us it's the secretary general who is in charge of the whole activities of organizations who is already. sending his people in order to make the necessary assessments and i understand that also those special organizations of united nations. high commission of on refugees but also all those who are providing humanitarian aid are preparing their intervention there is also an appeal by the secretary general and u.n. for pledging the first estimation made for the immediate needs are about one

hundred sixty million us that are needed and i could experience today with the russian government that they are already having played some money for that so i think that the aid is urgent is the way to be. introduced and really it's a question that has to be addressed very rapidly. well you met with russian officials here in moscow did this these meetings had any optimism. did you hear anything that you'd like to share their views or anything any any good news but i have made a visit not in framework of this libyan case again since it's the security council issue and now the assembly what i would say on behalf of these meetings i had with

officials in particular the foreign minister is that i'm very. happy about the huge commitment of russia and the russian government to the united nations in general but also to the general assembly because you could imagine that those countries who are permanent members of the security council invested with the toll in the security council could live a little bit aside a general assembly and as the president of the jan simply please this is good news if you made not be spectacular but it's good news for the general assembly and all the members of our organization that russia is strongly committed to all our fundamental activities and our bodies this is this year have mentioned more than once during the sense of you that i am the head of the general assembly in the security council that the responsibilities are different that will please help me and maybe enlighten our our views how would you define the role of the presidents

of the general said because everybody everybody knows knows the leader of the united nations people know that there is the security council but the president of the general assembly you prefer to be like in the shadow or is this the name of the game well it is the name of the game i am feeling already quite in a spotlight but it is clear that the united nations are getting their visibility is specially to the secretary general who can be called. even if con parishioners are always a bit risky back who can be compared to be the c.e.o. that means the one who has to manage the whole enterprise of all organizations while the general assembly is the body that could be compared to the board and the general assembly is in charge of the charter the genesis and elects the secretary general and the general assembly nominates or elects the nonpermanent

members of the security council but our charter is very clear about the role of the security council the charter says that what peace and security is concerned it's the security council or as soon as the security council has taken up the matter it's no longer a matter of the journalist simply and one important difference between the two bodies is that the security council can pick the decisions measures which are compulsory for the member so if there are sanctions like in the case of libya which are decided by the security council all the member states have to respect and to apply to the general assembly on the other hand cannot take such incisions beyond the elections have mentioned or the chart on the other hand the general assembly is

the only body where you have all the member states present one hundred ninety two it's nearly universality and the general assembly rules on the principle of one state who won the vote nobody talked for anybody. only only one exemption from this rule the soviet union had three votes you remember maybe if you. are the last there are. three well. you can't think the european union will have twenty something like this are the regional organizations even inside you when all the the whole organization is built up on a lot of for a different. associations groupings you have to africa the un charter school you know you know what we loved about it it's small it's very complex. you must know when i took up this and i'm the i read of course which again after having read it

for most really gets sent i must see it even if it has been written sixty five years ago. many things which are very simple and easy to be understood is the following article number one what is the goal of united nations for the things peace and security we have been speaking spanish speaking about then. cooperation among its members and what i recalled in my inaugural speech to the members and friendship over among nations and i ask even the us and we are you sure that in all your relations with your member states you have shown that you are friends you are like many of your predecessors are disposed seem to be focused on revitalization of the general assembly why and what does it mean. there's

a feeling on the one hand that it could be more efficient and as the feeling that it could be marginalized by all the developments because not only to simply talk shop did they did that here you know missouri would you well i must say and so what a parliament if you know the french knology i mean certainly the parliament of parliament is here to speak and i would say that the first achievement of the general assembly. is that all the one hundred ninety two countries member states are gathering are prepared to speak to each other and to listen i hope to each other so i have no problem with people saying they are talking it's made for that but beyond that it would be an error to think they only talk if somebody is doing though this is that yes well it's more than listening there are key results

it has been created in forty five in forty eight after three years only we had the full. of human rights and it's asked for the charter read it doesn't take long it's not a long document but it's so evident and so strong in its formulation that you can say this is a real important achievement look today we have lida we have a text on which we can build and say no the libyan civilians are no longer in the benefit of that what is our base and you can go on a few years ago we had the resolution on the responsibility to protect which goes a step further so you cannot see that there is not no results the general assembly is not the one who has troops who has money was organizations that are working jemma somebody is controlling it's making the budget for the others but then it's

up to these organizations to do the job. one very important political issue and much discussed is the reform of the security council and certainly please it's in your hands it's in the hands of the general assembly isn't so will we see any practical results there during your term with the reform of the security council. a lot a certain part of the way is easy you will find no member state who will not agree on the fact that having been created. in one thousand nine hundred five sixty five years ago it's no longer responding or corresponding to the actual distribution of powers and so on you will find nor position but as soon as you say no what are you going to do we have five permanent members usa united kingdom france russia china the other praising emerging countries who say we

are to be on the same level india. germany japan brazil four countries have put together in order to ask for permanent seats africa is saying we are the continent who has the least to say and we want to be treated on equal basis we want to permanent seats and beetle and you have on a trail here. yet and if you go on that you will see that you have other countries who say no we do not want new permanence we propose so it's very difficult for the normand to enter into real negotiations what we have done up to now is that we have a facilitator and best of the plan in from afghanistan who has produced a third of a paper well all the different positions are assembled and where we can see today there is broad agreement on that this is the position of the member states

but unfortunately they are not of the same the achievement of this session because they are working for eighteen years already and that the achievement of decision would be for me as to be considered or whether already has a big performance if we could engage in real negotiations so what is my role now is to be some type of super facilitator to bring people at the table of negotiations where they say we have. for the five points on which we have to get agreement thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today was joseph deiced president of the un general assembly and that's it for now from all of us will be back with more first hand comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take care thank you thank you very much.