so you. learn very. well it's a job many in wisconsin are disapproving of so as the labor war battles continue is the rest of the country watching a tale of two americas in wisconsin. we just got these the stream is the greatest rape in the minds of american citizens tears and fears on capitol hill so what exactly will this congressional hearing on the radicalization of muslims lead to and could this be a flash back to mccarthyism. it was

a very slow moving. and as the next chapter continues to unfold in libya critics feature a strong you ask role or how the u.s. already learned that last. thursday march tenth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine friends out there watching our team. well it's a moment many people have been waiting for and many others have dreaded in the state capital of wisconsin afternoon lawmakers there passed a controversial budget repair bill that starts the rights of collective bargaining by public sector workers the vote task fifty three to forty two some calling it yet another surprise vote the labor war in wisconsin and the tension there now heating up and plans for a general strike are now in the works or italy's being talked about earlier i spoke

with robert craig who is the executive director of citizen action of wisconsin about what happened today and what it all means. we had a holdup in the process because the senate democrats the upper house has left the state we're going to quorum for existing that you needed a couple constitution does not vote on the fiscal matters last night all the sudden late afternoon the republicans with the direct budgetary parts out of the bill and put forward just the part that's for its collective bargaining rights which they defended as a budget issue but they now say are not is nonphysical the meeting didn't have the requisite twenty four hour notice they rammed it through and it went to the lower house and you're suddenly today the senate yesterday so it's a law and let's overturn in the courts about i want to talk about some of the images we saw coming out of the capitol today people literally being dragged down by police you know there's been some back and forth in terms of who's been allowed into the capitol building but people snuck in overnight they allowed them in today and then in order to actually take this vote let this vote take place they actually

got some people out of the way and i want to also play for you something we found one of the republican lawmakers returning to the building. the third job but you read. the day the the all right so he wants to vote and he's saying let us do our job this is america you want her to have been protesting for days and weeks who also say you know don't strap workers' rights because you know what this is america is very different two different versions of what america is and what's going on here with you know such different viewpoints there's no doubt passions are running extremely high i mean you wouldn't have powers of people taking the streets are three weeks right the product of workers to have unions and. didn't wasn't important well

a lot of people in wisconsin much more than people had guessed before this controversy i think that it got to even higher pitched today because a capek's the republicans used to all of a sudden stripped and put a new bill forward that didn't require any democratic senators to vote for it and then not having the requisite notice so there was a real idea that this was a dirty trick and so that's what caused some of those more tense confrontations but over the last three weeks the protesters have been remarkably peaceful it's been a model of democracy but part of the outrage is that was confidence traditionally was very open state where anyone can testify with a capital the people's house is always open and that's gone by the wayside by the tactics of governor walker and his supporters in the legislature who is more american in this situation now i think the protest is fundamentally american and so what the protest movement is gone to come out and take to the streets to block it i'm just action is the most american thing you can do i think getting in the way and also obviously i think workers' rights are american but i think to do it the way they've done it is really tarnished wisconsin's reputation so i would say that

the american quotient is on the protesters and certainly what we've seen rather has been unprecedented effort the last few weeks images from. and many people never thought that they would see in this country i you know egypt libya tunisia you know their grief is fine but what we saw not some of this happening here but certainly a big deal but i want to talk about some things that are starting to come out in terms of why this happened in terms of why governor walker did this and why we may start to see this more not because of collective bargaining rights themselves some people are saying this is an attempt to destroy the unions to make the president and to make the present election in two thousand and twelve go a different way so that president obama does not win the state of wisconsin how do you hurt this year i don't think is a question that there is a national strategy for the part of the right of this country they see a public employee unions at the state local level teachers union state employee unions the last bastion of organized workers in this country because we've lost the industrial unions through outsourcing do industrialization over the last thirty

years and they are core supporters of the democratic party so this is a way to try to remove worker power and make it less likely that president obama be elected or any other democrat will be elected but the state or national level so this is less about collective bargaining that about a power grab i think will have really much less unfettered corporate domination up because look agenda if we remove the last bastion of organized worker strength of the united states and just real briefly i know there's been talk of a general strike happening next what's your prediction on what we're going to see next in wisconsin that's very difficult the strikes are illegal passions are strong enough but i think it may be funneled into these recall elections to change the nature of the legislature to recall the republican senators who get this and then potentially recall governor walker when that is allowable next year certainly something to keep our eyes on always exciting especially when we see the kind of images that we saw us coming out of the state capital today robert craig executive director of citizen action wisconsin well from the chaos and not state capitol to

the one in this state capitol here in washington today and motions ran high as the homeland security committee launched its hearing on the radicalization of muslims are these killing ford was there and having our. morning committee of homeland security. chairman peter king launching his hearings on the radicalization of muslims in america complete with beefed up security dozens of cameras the forwarder dramatic witnesses and someone to blame we just got these history mr vegas from rape in the minds of american citizen thinks hearings have received much media attention since they were announced but some say the hearings will to look at the underlying causes of muslim radicalization in the united states including the role u.s. foreign policy in the arab and muslim world has played in muslim feelings towards america but some muslims say it's us support for oppressive regimes in the middle east. and interventions in iraq and afghanistan that have radicalized them the minute they kick at the night of slaughter they're accused as being violent when

the actual perpetrators of violence are the ones that are i'm occupying my hands like afghanistan and iraq right now the american empire others praise king for braving the political correctness firestorm they seriously ignited before they even began stop running around looking to be a victim stop looking to be offended. and believe muslims are trying to take over america the expressions carpers sure when you're creepy or islam creep and the answer is yes i mean again if you come to this country you come for everything it offers but to the there's kind of a receptive to procreation there and you come to to ingratiate yourself and immerse yourself in what america is and america isn't but even los angeles county sheriff lee baca was skeptical of king's accusations of a lack of cooperation with law enforcement when i made critical outreach to the community after nine eleven i was overwhelmed by the number of most of those who are ready and willing to connect with law enforcement muslim americans see king's

accusations as efforts to divide their community and spread the kind of fear and mistrust in law enforcement the hearings were designed to combat all of this is done in. still further i know muslims that no longer go to their mosque because they're afraid they're going to be turned in by the f.b.i. and shift the burden to muslims themselves i don't understand why it has become my personal responsibility to tunis this community i'm an american and i've been in enough that i am law abiding productive positions this is the first in a series of your plans to hold on the radicalization of muslims in america but critics say that the accusations of operating with law enforcement have been levied not just against muslim americans but against activists and peace movements as well are an effort to divide them and discredit human ford r.t. washington d.c. . are one question a lot of people's minds what would these hearings lead to what will be the outcome

both short and long term while here in syria i'm joined by brian bakker national coordinator of the answer coalition and in our los angeles studio tony katz host of the conversation with tony katz on p.j. t.v. dot com hey fellas you know a lot of strong words today one lawmaker even holding up our constitution saying you know this living breathing constitution was crying today some reiterating that these hearings will contribute to a wave of fear and distrust in america and iran i want to get your take on what we started a on capitol hill well peter king's hearings are bogus this is an attempt to whip up hatred against muslims it's become a cottage industry as one of your speakers in an earlier piece in the last week hundreds of people have died in afghanistan the united states drop bombs on those villages many young children have been killed and yet there's no scrutiny of that as an act of terrorism if you want to talk about what's radicalizing people around the world it's the cycle of violence and that cycle of violence has been intensified with the war in iraq that took a million lives in

a record to thousands of lives in afghanistan and right here in the united states innocent people who go to the mosque every week are being targeted by the f.b.i. who are being treated with agent provocateurs whose children are being entrapped in different schemes and phony conspiracies this is a cottage industry this is the first refuge of scoundrels and peter king is the main scoundrel all right i want to get your reaction to that. well first of all it's a pleasure to be here as always and it's good to know that mr bakker hasn't stopped on the wonderful fantasy that america's the great evil everybody else is the great good these hearings are about the radicalization of muslims the specifically as as i have read things muslim youth there is a conversation to be had about what's happening in america and why is it that we would allow people up to like al qaeda and other groups to come try and radicalize americans bring them back out of the country to do harm to the west and this isn't

just about america although peter king a spoke just on america like you should be these are people these radicalized muslims who are doing the attacks in london in mumbai in bali in madrid you would have to you want to literally have to be a member of an answer to not actually understand that this is happening but tell me i want to get in there really quick and just ask you and to sort of responded to sort of answer that i mean you talk about these these terror attacks in other countries one of the ones that have taken place in this country the one taking place as recently as the shooting gary locke's there in arizona he was not a muslim and people that are you know people that are opposed to these hearings congressman king is holding are not saying don't investigate don't protect the homeland they're saying don't target a specific religious group. ah but that's not what's happening that's the great lie jared lee lochner who the left so desperately wanted to paint as a member of the tea party as a member of the right was nothing but but the fort hood killer has a son and then the time square bomber should dogs were both radicalized and both

taught by i'll lock in the who is from las cruces new mexico who was radicalized and then moved offshore and help people in the united states kill americans that's the conversation at hand the total ranting lunatic that is jared lee last or is a total ranting lunatic well wait till you hear from a lot of we hear what they hear from the. but you hear from a lot of time i hear a lot of really like to thank him somebody on the right or someone on the tea party have a we hear from a lot of ranting lunatics and a great amount of it is bogus hysteria against muslims who are being targeted in their communities all over the united states were being rounded up are slim you know and when the intent of the mcveigh blew up the federal building he was a member of the militia he was a white supremacist he had been an iraq war veteran from the first gulf war and who got rounded up it was muslims it was arabs they were the the suspect that were coming up on the anniversary and what you guys told and you had rival like tony let's are willing to take promises the violence the terrorism is spent right or is

it only one of the hand that have been perpetrated against people of color black people and against muslim people against their mosques for a long time and yet those people are sort of not part of the conversation this is just racism and religious profiling pure and it is and it's politically convenient for the ultra right wing really like i just want to go until you're saying that muslims are not being targeted here but the title of this hearing held right down the street from us was the radicalization of muslims defend your statement that month that are not being targeted but might not i know you're making it sound like muslims are being rounded up in the streets which has not happened has never happened is a complete and so actually i know that there's a lot of her clients own interactions of but there is a conversation here there is a worthwhile conversation here there is a worthwhile conversation in the radicalization of muslims in america you know you brought up timothy mcveigh as if somehow that's the great equalizer god bless you

in your desire for moral equivalence but you can't explain shazad and you can hate it so i did i resigned there at all the other around and around the world now weighs our praise on a religious tenets as opposed to mcveigh which was based on government hatred all right i want to get your guy there and sort of shift this conversation a little bit congressman king had said today you know he's not going to back down he said to back down would be a craven surrender to political correctness run i want to talk about this now. and the critics are simply you know being overly p.c. and that's why they don't want this to happen of course they're using all the code words the ultra right is using all the code words if a religious leader profiled people not because of something they've done because of how they look or what god they pray to or because of the color of their skin or from their ethnic identity if you protest against it if you say that that's discrimination if that's targeting if that's kind of a hysteria in jena phobic protests then you're accused of political correctness now these are the codewords of the ultra right right now in america and there's

a great danger that people face what is that danger they can't find jobs they're losing their homes there's high unemployment there's growing poverty here came those engage in the politics of diversion like many of the other republicans let's look elsewhere for an enemy when the real threat that people have is something quite different and yet this becomes a convenient scapegoating as it has throughout history tony is this the politics of diversion here. i would say that unemployment is high and all of those issues are things that have to be addressed but i think we as americans can handle a couple of things at the same time this is his committee this is her is his purview he's certainly right to discuss the conversation this dream that somehow since we're all guilty culture listen no one society is better than another society doesn't work and sarkozy proved it and cameron prove that angela merkel proved that we should at least be honest and having a conversation and what is the p.c. side say because they are p.c. they say if you have a hearing discussing radicalized muslims you'll incite radicalized muslims to kill

you well right now on our station right now about setting up right now ignorant people who don't know the facts who don't understand what's really going on the country are with up against muslims we see this all over the country there's a lot of violence going on against muslims is that a form of terror or is it a form of terror tony when when innocent muslims are targeted when their mosques are burned when the qur'an is burned showed a form of terrorism first and where to go here on where the big hairy ones like you are going about like that because that's what's really happening well tony let me ask you this you know one of the main concerns i no matter what side of the argument you're on is that this is going against the constitution that specifically targeting a group is going against the freedom of religion and you know a lot of people i guess that's right you've already got freedoms have been abridged what if there is a what if there wasn't one of them was hearings about radical jews or radical christians with what if there was a whole week of hearings you think there would be a big outcry everybody about the freedoms tony and you know that this. group see is

being targeted because of their religion that's. i'm going to talk i have a.t.c. that puts together a television show called good christian glitches i think i can honestly say christians are going to tact and america and muslims are not being rounded up muslims are not being targeted that is the great lie told by great liars no. conversation there is not. one god of course not to say i agents boeing workers americans and synagogues trying to entrap young angry people who are against u.s. foreign policy to say something that they can hook them on a conspiracy that's happening in every girl in the united states for sation because you as a communist get exposed my promise not just this is wrong it's communist the whole scary world is coming out let's talk about it and the implications i'm talking about you not to iraq i'm. proud socials i don't know what it's not illegal in the united states only let me get in here and it's not illegal to have an alternative

the station in the united states brian well i'm going to talk to a legal we're just we're just calling things by their really frightening religious profiling and racial profiling is unconstitutional it's illegal it's discriminatory it's bad and it's and the politics are you guys i want to talk about how you are wrong like this hearing will lead to some of the impacts of this hearing could have not just what's coming out of it and not just sort of the subject matter on the agenda but the implications long term brian what are your concerns i think what's going to happen is you're going to take a lot of people in the united states who get the message from the government from high elected officials it's ok to target people not for what they've done but for who they are what they believe in another words targeting arab americans and muslims who have already been subjected to great amounts of violence great amounts of persecution who have been rounded up contrary to tony's assertions and who right now are the biggest source of discrimination in the country so we have to recognize that when these kind of hearings take place they create a political climate a political atmosphere that allows more violence to take place against innocent

muslim people and that's what's likely to happen all right tony. well i'm hoping that what happens from this is that it's the muslim community a tremendous you know as peter king is said and some people in that in that clip you played earlier said living their lives doing their thing they're the ones who should want to aggressively and desire to root out the most radical elements that believe in the sharia that believe in the caliphate and believe in doing harm to the free and thinking world all around the world in world and i feel like it's no longer. an is a good rating and it's not something to be scared of like brian is that you have to be able to engage in the reality allright radicalized islam and right a lot radicalized muslims are causing harm around the world both of you we are all having the conversation and i do appreciate it brian becker national coordinator for the answer coalition and tony katz host of the conversation with tony kept on p.j. t.v. dot com thank you well there's been continued chaos and violence in libya and more

than ever the next chapter there remains uncertain and the discussion has now turned to what the u.s. government should do and if politicians contemplating whether or not and how to get involved that is ours artie's honest answer churkin our reports many are looking the u.s. will stay as far away from the events in libya as possible. civil war blurs the outline of libya's future while the you as we as it's our chins on the role it should play in the chaos some were loving politicians have been pushing for stablish in the no fly zone this means bombing libyan air defense systems runways and shooting down libyan aircraft and aerial invasion something most americans don't realize and most libyans don't want people in the entire region remember what happened with the no fly zone in iraq hundreds of civilians were killed by the enforcement of that no fly zone that hasn't changed some high ranking

officials have taken it so far as to joke about an attack on the african country but it is a libya any of america's business and why not let the arab world fend for itself there is absolutely no all. possible justification for the united states or even the e.u. to get involved in libya there's just nothing in their charters or just there's nothing that would justify this it's in its civil war in a different country in which the details are very murky we could america be a hop skip and a jump away from another war the white house is now saying it will wait for you when to lead the way in dealing with libya but with the habit of getting me deep into other nations affairs will america be able to resist the temptation this could be a rerun of iraq this is a rerun of humanitarian. and very very dangerous there's nothing for the west to do despite warning signs flashing some pittsburgh's believe history is about to repeat

itself iraq and afghanistan a war and suck the us much further into a war then first anticipated the definition of insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results well in the case of the united states it would be doing the same thing dozens and dozens of times of trying to get different results in the united states. one the war decisively since the end of world war two upholding human rights and establishing democracy have often been pretenses for america's invasions officially these are also the meat concerns for libya but the underlying reality this is about oil and if the united states can go in militarily but claim to be going in only for humanitarian purposes purposes the american people will buy it so he could park recy in the calls for humanitarian intervention and nobody really brought this up during rwanda but of course rwanda didn't have any oil with two other american wars being fought in the muslim world death tolls

continue to rise. apart from the human cost the u.s. is running up a huge warfare tab considering the fact that we have fifty four percent of federal tax dollars go into the and into the destruction of afghanistan and iraq and you have to really wonder how crazy this country is and how willing the american people are to foot the bill both the europeans and the americans are facing huge budget deficits military overstretch it's very it's going to be very hard to explain to people why they can't have their pensions and why they're losing their jobs but there's enough money to throw into a military intervention a country that is far away and is minding its own business and minding its own business is what many want the u.s. to do but the whole world doesn't have the stomach for it anymore the u.s. seems to have chosen a weak and see approach hoping the united nations will lead the way with the u.s.

unsanctioned invasion of iraq still fresh in mind many fear if support within the international community is not found the u.s. would act regardless of artsy new york well than a thousand reports the white house is now saying it will wait for the united nations to lead the way in dealing with libya. much of the talk we've heard gives the impression that a no fly zone is at the very least still on the table earlier i spoke with robert naiman the diplomacy director at just foreign policy i asked him when it's appropriate to enforce a no fly zone and what could be the consequences of placing one on libya's airspace . international law here is very clear the united nations charter specifies that there are two cases in which armed force is allowed between one united nations member states another the first case is self defense against armed attack obviously

libya's has a technique states nobody expects them to detect things it simply is it is approval by the united nations security council and there is a lot of failure to acknowledge that in the united states they know their military action would be illegal unless it's authorized by the united nations security council so that's the first fact that absolutely must be taking to account that means not just russia and china the permanent members of the council have to go again but the rest of the numbers of the council only india brazil and south africa i would chant insisting that any external military actually asked to conform to the nations charter and you know in addition to this. the next thing i think is really important is that you know there's been a lot of what secretary of defense gates called loose talk. the. this notion that the no fly zone is just kind of waving

a magic wand and then you know the libyan government can't find anything and i think they're you know well threats that people are not prepared to carry out there's danger that they're counterproductive there's a danger if human courage people in two sides of the danger first of all. they exacerbate tensions inside libya make it more difficult to achieve a diplomatic resolution. they encourage the actors in libya to see this is a fight to the debt that that's not productive it's not pro. two groups of people armed opposition just think. foreign military intervention is assumed and it's not and there's no there's not any realistic prospect that it bombing is not going to change to a bombing you know this kind of spectacular demonstration bombing it's not likely

to change the military operation on the ground zero sponsible i think for the french government or others to make and i think our own life would be carried out in peeve if they were to be carried out be likely to be counterproductive exacerbated because with the international community is true the council should be doing is pushing for people that a resolution that ends with reasonable doubt and says look what resolution you've got about this move time going on here i also in this country i want to bring the american people into this most americans have zero desire to get involved in what could potentially be another war here in washington there's a lot of talk lately about the budget reduction and the deficit and i want to show some numbers are right there is that it's a poll found that fifty one percent of americans support reduced reducing defense spending that's compared to only twenty eight percent who want to cut medicare and

medicaid health programs and just eighteen percent that cuts in social security so how can we talk about this whether it's moves talk or not how do we talk about around talk to war with libya when the majority in this country would prefer to reduce the facts well talk is cheap and as we've seen in the last week you know you can have three senators. senator kerry senator mccain and senator lieberman though on the sunday talk shows and demand u.s. military action. that can affect the press and then you know i think for others to try and do that talk is cheap but these are. those are not realistic and they will be counterproductive i think even you know the darkest hour perhaps not alone. but along carrying them out with people was not thought through what the consequences of external motor reaction u.s. military action unilateral.