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max kaiser and this is the kaiser report once again coming to you from cairo egypt the global insurrection against banker occupation continues multifaceted conflict between oligarchs and bankers versus the people in cities from cairo to ohio and of course over a stronger iraq because that's the currency of the revolution as silver prices go higher j.p. morgan stock goes lower and then fire franchise is threatened with extinction as the price of silver crushes the silver shorts because of you buying silver out there in the millions and millions of ounces one ounce at a time let's bring in stacy herbert stacey stacey stacey another thing thriving

silver higher of course max is the day of rage happening in saudi arabia the continuing revolution in egypt we were here for tahrir square we went through there and just so you can see from these images that it was a very friendly festive atmosphere felt very safe we were only one of the two westerners in the square well it again the narrative is completely busted what we're told through western media principly murdoch and fox news is that there is an anti american sentiment here which there absolutely is not there's a desire to be free from the yoke of tyranny and that's the same whether it's in wisconsin or cairo you've got corrupt bankers who are destroying the global economy and people want to get out well you mentioned tyranny and you know the financial system is we're linking all these revolutions across the arab world revolutions or in wisconsin to the banking system i went to take a look at this interview from bloomberg television the past week and this is larry

think who has black rock it's a three point five trillion dollar fund and look what he thinks about what's going on throughout. arab world i want to ask you about the big picture question for to start off with if you look around the world what we see right global wave of social unrest democratization of information it plays a big role in that twitter facebook one hundred dollar oil the deepening deficit the states moving to fight public employee unions imbalances currency issues lingering crisis in europe what is in a lot of two confusion. uncertainty markets don't like uncertainty markets like actually to tell you terry and governments where you have a understanding of what's out there and usually worth the whole dimension is changing with as you said it the market is asian of the countries and and democracies are very messy as we know in the united states you have opinions changing back and forth it is larry fink he's a black rock which of course is

a subsidized entity by the u.s. government the fact they're bailed out all the players a black rock and their yacht payment they're not competitive in the sense they work for a living they just steal their larcenous take their time and he's just plowing people over with impunity because you know that they know they own all the judges they own the legal system and he can just be rape and kill people in public without any recourse whatsoever from any legal entity want the whatever that's it that's eclipse ocracy and it's the same in america as it isn't any the same as cairo the same in wisconsin everyone needs three goals against what guys like larry thank larry thank you one hundred years ago would be marching toward the plastic concorde on his way to that thing and rightly so but this is the sort of mentality mac that we're seeing through out there why we're there trying to squash these revolutions they don't want people to be free because they prefer to tallaght tearing at them so to american think they are free these are the same guys that control your economy do they do you think they really are allowing you to be democratic and free i think not yet

a key phrases there is as americans prefer to tell terry as he says markets prefer to tally tearing at them in america claims it's a market economy when these. men refer to markets and this is what they're referring to not free markets as the theory goes and that's what's great about the price of silver is that it has been monopolized by people who have been manipulating the price of the futures markets and on the comix and the result is going higher now is because people are breaking free from the chains of the larry franks style totalitarian monopolisation and it will go to three hundred forty five hundred dollars and these guys like larry bank will go out of business so let's look at another headline showing that bankers preferred dictatorships revealed the layers secret calls to khadafi it turns out that tony blair has always said he never had any commercial relationship with anyone in the gadhafi family or the libyan government but since leaving office he is understood to travel to tripoli on business for the u.s. bank j.p. morgan chase oh he lives tony blair of course the lead up to the iraq war they lied

they cooked up the intelligence colin powell showed a little vial of talcum powder and said he got to go kill a million iraqis blair was part of that he's got blood on this and he's part of the pursuit j.p. morgan he kills people for money for blood and he and larry fink are in the same kind of corrupt boat ok and he works for j.p. morgan chase the day he got out of office at ten downing street he jumped into j.p. morgan chase they hired him for two million dollars per year who was game which came first the chicken or the egg was blair working for j.p. morgan before he left tend to the left ten downing street and that question applies to barack obama is he working for j.p. morgan now or is he going to take his job when he leaves the white house and he doesn't want to stay for a second term because he'd rather jump right in there and work with j.p. morgan and tony blair and cash out the white house just to resume burnishing exercise for obama he's working for j.p. morgan right now scott walker of wisconsin governor he's working for the koch brothers right now he's

a time right now they're working right now with the enemy they're selling the people out all over the world and this is intolerable and the people in cairo have to go now to stand up to. the people with consummate illinois are still so you know wondering huge should we do a larry fink says to live in a concentration camp or larry fink to live in a reservation for larry fink they don't know what the problem so speaking of tony blair i have a headline here with tony blair kind of guy somebody would fit in right in connaught square where all the other arms dealers in mass murders of the world live and hide their wealth from their own nations the man who plowed into a group of bikers is a brazilian central banker and he's charged with attempted murder so you see this video here max this is a critical mass demonstration in porto alegre brazil and i see that a car barreling through the population of bicyclists there knocking over eight or nine of them well that's a central banker me and richard nice but. again you're plowing people

over with impunity and other banker terrorism you know the the the search for the terrorism should be a simple one go down to wall street to the offices of goldman morgan go to the city of london in london and start arresting people the fact that you don't barack obama the rest of you guys means that you are terrorists effectively you support terrorism you're stealing all the money you're asking people who live with austerity measures to pay for your bonuses how is it there for the full pot or stalin or hitler is not just the same for can pay well this man is in psychiatric care and that qualifies him to be a money manager well yes and it his excuse was i'm in a hurry well yes he's in a hurry to defraud people that's why the people in the streets well let's move on because these guys days are numbered as silver continues to go higher they don't have any silver the central bankers don't own any gold they don't own any silver they're going to be buying a three four or five dollars an ounce we're going to buying it from us because we would we're going to be ruling the global economy will have all the silver they're

going to be trying to live on the currency and buying a loaf of bread for five trillion dollars which was the exchange rate don't know why my republic if you remember one. one for one to one to five trillion to one and this is where we're headed because these guys are essentially pathological liars and crooks well speaking of pathological liars and crooks state security apparatus here in egypt there are five hundred thousand policemen who operated on behalf of mubarak and his cronies and american cronies plundering and defrauding and torturing the population here's a tweet from wiki leaks basti day in egypt storm secret service so we've been here while they've been storming this state security buildings and headquarters throughout and alexandria and other locations the state security apparatus has been busy shredding paper trying to hide the evidence and it looks very similar to scenes post world war two nazi germany they also try to hide all their evidence of

of crimes against humanity and you see that going on now in egypt or iran exactly that's exactly those are my thoughts exactly max i mean it's clear it's a work in blair estimated war crimes in a number of different levels and murdoch is a little stepchild has been assisting him he survives the last twenty five billion dollars wall street journal investment he lost billions of my space investment it was a for guarantee state monopoly. as they were barrack murdoch would be selling hot dogs shea stadium well you mentioned the koch brothers involvement with governor scott walker of wisconsin anonymous actively probing koch brothers corporate networks so in a statement anonymous accuses the koch brothers of fabricating grassroots organizations and advertising campaigns to sway voters based on their false statement concludes anonymous hears the voice of the downtrodden american people whose rights and liberties are being systematically removed one by one even when their own government refuses to listen or worse is complicit in these attacks well

don imus is filling in for the rule of law which is absent in america well exactly so they have to. same ability in the virtual space to do what the egyptians are now doing storming the state security buildings and headquarters and having to get the physical pieces of paper and videotapes of movie stars apparently and powerful people from the gulf and other reasons they have video tapes of them in compromising positions and so now anonymous can do this via just virtually go into database and servers the amazing part of this global insurrection against banker occupation is the multiplicity of levels that occupies simultaneously the virtual level the analog physical level the people on the streets who get anonymous working anonymously in cyberspace you've got groups like u.k. and uncut in other cities around the world pushing back against the occupation of bankers it's all working dovetailing together and this is the war as we've been

talking about for years now the ultimate distinction the dividing line in this war is savers versus speculators likely to get into that right now but keep in mind for future shows just continue please and probably max i have this headline this is a revolution not a football match and max this is referring to the protests out in tahrir square and in china they banned all google searches for egypt or tyrus square and yet however within days they were making all of these. available interest square all the various knick knacks for sale this is showing christian and muslim together united yeah well it's a dangerous game china is playing they're trying to cash in on revolutions in egypt while simultaneously oppressing their own people and that sounds like an unsustainable arbitrage of bad faith over there in china you might want to decide what side you want to be or get and squeeze in the middle and forever hold your you

but you also have to ask why the egyptians weren't just making them and themselves why they weren't making these t. shirts and freedom pendants and flags and all the stuff that were available in tahrir square when we were there why they weren't making themselves why they were bringing them in from china because they got under big brother chinese or everyone after all over the world making business everywhere but supporting human rights abuses at home and this is a model that of course america wants to emulate they want the casino they like model as we see in china and they don't want freedom as we see in cairo and john is trying to straddle the two and the people are now going to decide which way they want to go and i think judging by my interactions with folks here in cairo the mood right now is to go toward open free democratic kind of almost like a summer of love type of thing it's all getting jiggy right here iro herbert thanks so much for being on the cars the reports thank you max don't go away coming away much more so stay there.

welcome back to the kaiser report joining me now in the studio lena attala lena's managing editor of mastery europe english my saying that correctly that's right welcome to the kaiser report thank you alright lina tell us about the january twenty fifth gravel lucian here in cairo what the ignited the revolution i do not like to name certain events in the vicinity of generally twenty fifth to say that this is such a new year what ignited it because i think that the lead up to january twenty fifth goes back to as far as the thirty two thousand when there was a serious protests and street politics that play moved by a lot of things both under regional eleven and the domestic level so we've got the

two thousand and three into you were demonstrations good to two thousand and five first domestic demonstrations that go out to the street and say down with mubarak and then you've got a lot of independent things happening such as in the neighbor protests you've got also a movement such as the judges independent movement and then generally twenty fifth happens. there could be things that sparked the. massive i would be. after this and you know modernization on january twenty fifth such as inspiration was the can you share information which is next door such as increasing. awareness about police brutality ok so the pot was stirring was boiling a summering for a year exactly plus this all awareness of the police brutality you mention this word awareness and of course what was happening to me as it was ticked off

a large extent to revelations that were made the leaks were you aware of those leaks revelations and is that part of the equation yeah i mean we're all aware of them by the future of being journalists and they. took a lot of our attention all good they were in a matter of a lot of public attention to be honest with you they were great period for journalists but they didn't have much to be heeded in terms of things that we didn't know and they where they acted more as corroborative evidence to things that we already knew in egypt of course journalism journalists were not not free just before this revolution so anyone who hears something coming from a journalist i have to assume it's coming from the state so there's not wide dissemination of this information whereas wiki leaks is an independent source they seem to they're verified so it helps you to get your message out because you had a third party verification more or less with this huge internet audience is that

a fair kind of a fair statement to make about picking leaks if it's just what's disputed or what's contested is the take this had on people because they had this point you know you don't need anymore it to wait for the state to give you the information the practice speaks for itself on this or let's go back to the president's events that happened that the april sixth youth movement. who are they. how do they harness the power to organize themselves tell us about that because it seems to be a key events in history it was definitely a prefix is a group that is predominantly. led and run by young people young activists people who've been involved again in the politics even before two thousand and eight however in two thousand and eight they mean in the sixth of april of two thousand and eight they made a call for civil disobedience and that was. incited a tea with

a raving labor movement in in the dead the city of. which happened to hosts one of the biggest weaving factories in the country and which happened to be a site of labor activism for years and for decades in fact so the intrinsics movement launched the call. for civil disobedience and the facebook group happened to draw a lot of attention from different people now not all those who signed on the group saying that they really you know be striking on that then back in two thousand and eight did they do it however the cause. may have some resonance in terms of you know calling people out of the empathy and and making them feel that there is a possibility for an alternative to reality what about the role of women overall in this in this revolution the same zone on the streets or a cairo many women i'd say almost half of the people on the street are women you

see a lot of families during the here square friday gathering it's almost a carnival like festive family outing people are there to celebrate already the anniversary of their labor liberation and so the role of women in the revolution what how do you see that well i think the role of women transcends that of festivities on fridays. i think women had a very central role in this revolution since it's very early days even in. small stiffen days they wear out on the streets on the square but in other areas in egypt where very active and distribution they were side by side with the men and hating tear gas and you know being out there and the police are back in the face these of the revolution but also. supporting the continuing the continuation of this revolution by sleeping out on the square by sometimes compromising their security just as the men did although i think the sense of fun nobility was higher amongst

women however they compromise all that and where on the street says they one. hundred so it was quite inspiring a lot of people say that actually women started this revolution but what's wrong with that state again i don't i can't point to one group of people anyways because of the gender or religion or or whatever and say they started so there would be i mean a bunch of young people started this revolution was with all the groups that they. carry so i would say that. in the past few days we've seen protesters storming the state security buildings tell us about this what was the role of state security in the mubarak dictatorship of course as an american were aware of this as the destination for the extraordinary rendition flights like hell out of guantanamo bay and even out of the streets of america they end up in these torture cells in these

areas tell us about what these are and these and what's going on there yeah yeah exactly it's conversion of something that. a western democracy cannot handle and so it is they are. off to a church so the us outsources their torture to decide exactly and there's a few of them in egypt there's one right here in cairo yeah there are two big ones in cairo but you know plenty of. security centers around the country throughout the country so the americans say we don't torture they mean we outsource our torture exact same way as they say they outsource their manufacturing to china at the source or torture to egypt yeah tony blair the rest of the gang seems to really be exposed in this revolution especially in libya as being a one of the architects of some of these war crimes yeah that we've been looking at footage of protesters gathering all the evidence all the paperwork looking out the stuff that you found anything juicy any evidence of anything i don't think the documents that were found yesterday was various today i don't think documents we

found yesterday were particularly revealing as much as they where a person of five activists trained in lists. but it's another we can fix moment whereby you know all of this stuff but you now have a corroborative evidence that he could have fired for every single person they have a very long transcriptions of phone conversations between activists so it makes you feel like they had a lot of resources and a lot of money. and that they lived over the lot of fear in order to waste all the time you know transcribing one hour long phone conversations between activists that say it's really nothing it does anything that causes the frigidity. that was just so it's like when the berlin wall came down and they went into the stasi and they found all the files yeah and this is a state this is america gyptian stasi basically and of course america is doing the same thing in the u.s. now with the american citizens which is which is that ok let's let's touch on the

mubarak here for a second is billions of dollars any idea where they are is there any hope of getting them back but i wish i knew where they are. would have been destroyed in this country. and as of now i can tell you that there's a vested interest. to pursue perper and proper court case. in order to enter. potential corruption of the ruling family here we hope that the cash comes back and there is a redistribution of wealth at some point but it's quite unclear at this point how long this process would be and how easy it would be given the extensive. network of power that this president has for over thirty years now finally the mainstream us media paints the revolution in egypt as one of radical islam assists and anti american fervor now i've been in the streets there for several days and i've

experienced exact opposite people i go you from america i love i love america i mean it seems first of all. my guess my first question is don't people astri's realize that loving america maybe is not a great idea considering that america propped up mubarak i mean did they make the connection there i don't think there was much worrying about. american it wasn't about. american sentiment at this point it was about a very peculiar domestic condition and the people had the collective the you know about changing whether the american media cannot step up to how progressive this revolution was in portraying it then it becomes a problem but this is a very progressive revolution i can assure you well i remember one of the first option of barack obama made when he became president was he made a grand speech here in cairo promised a lot of things and then got all those promises but obama's he still held it was some steam here or people kind of now figured out that he's just a banker

a puppet well and i think. the recent criticism. which were basically lining up was the regime were not particularly received with a lot of acceptance from people here but at this point people again are making their own reality and are forcing the u.s. administration to respond equating these so i don't think it matters anymore. what obama's policy is he really needs to react to what's happening here i guess the ball is in his court at this point fred that's the thing is that he's reacting he's behind the curve he seems lost and unfortunately he doesn't seem to have any vision or idea of what might be a good future for this country or this region side of the interests of his bankers to kind of keep him in his office you know he's kind of their pets but now going forward. a year from now or two years from now what's your best case

scenario for cairo egypt a change in the logic of the constitution what i mean by changing the logic changing the political culture. has been extremely proud of the. one hundred fifty two minutes in this country and what this practically means is. removing all the power concentration in the figure of the president and recreating . governance in the form of three power that are completely separate from each other executive it just did and it sounds familiar yeah i'm sure sounds i did as well but it's quite possible at this point it is possible as long as you don't let special interest come in and destroy the delicate checks and balances and balance of power ok alina that's going to do it thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thank you and that's going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy herbert i would like my guest lena is going to send me

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