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right is poison america's airwaves and jamie weinstein yes he added a deputy editor at the daily caller welcome guys let's get started thank you governor walker used the nuclear option this week passing his union destroying legislation with zero senate democrats present and against popular will it was consonants and people all over the country but what is the republican union busting engender really about is it about a one party rule be the death of democracy see president obama not being reelected in two thousand and twelve or d. all of the above well actually i think it's a different one than you mentioned it's to help the union these legislators the democratic state legislators who escaped illinois back to their families scott walker just wanted to pass this bill so he could reunite the democratic legislators with their families he's an altruistic he's if it was it was but you know so the second second secondarily of course he was trying to save wisconsin's economy and state budget from collapse from catastrophe so the republican party once again the
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party of family values. look scott fitzgerald the top republican in the senate said exactly what it's all about one on fox news with meghan kelly and said here's what we're doing. if we bust the unions we will take away the support for the democratic party and barack obama will not win wisconsin in two thousand and twelve quote on quote you can say it any clearer who had nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with saving wisconsin so i think the policy was correct but it certainly has devolved into a political situation now where we've galvanized both sides and you've got a union base that really was responding to the message of the tea party and now they're galvanized again as democratic foot soldiers and we in other words this this is like populism a long term in a populism of a good idea you know if i want to start a year from now the republican party is going to say how do we get stuck with scott walker get him out of here he's destroying the party destroying the image of some
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war on the middle class this is not good for the party in the long run i think it's going to backfire and i'm not interested in a major i'm interested in getting actually things done and i don't know what political machinations that some people may have or may not have but it's clear that you know there's a political catastrophe coming in the states there's doom and gloom these things no longer that's what scott is doing as he's leaving he's leaving president obama to take nobody took all of that stuff out of the bill and just did the you know it's like us and it's not just you know busting it was a great there was a great post all right let's try mccormick in the weekly standard sure that there were there are many other aspects of that that are going to help save the budget in wisconsin and by the way he would have loved to pass the whole goal but the democrats left the state so he couldn't do it you know it's not just universe and let's not forget the koch brothers sweetheart deal in the middle of it that says they can buy any government owned or utility or whatever bid without. any use of the policy is right what is the policy that you think is right well i think what we've had in. wisconsin and number of other states is is unions
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demanding payoffs for generations that are bankrupting the states. and when so by so by a living wage is a payoff oh of course not but the the the these pension commitments for generations you know there's absolutely no give those what they claim are getting and these are these are living wage being they get paid substantially higher than the private sector i know that you're economists and i know the i know the labor union economists agree he did was it was actually it is it is true and for instance teachers it certainly wasn't true thirty years ago i mean this is recent are you guys advocating a race to the bottom bookworm of some sort not whatever they've got ok you want them to pay more into health care it's fair you want to be more and into the retirement that's fair you want to make less alright maybe that's fair you do it at the collective bargaining table vests quote i saw this week ronald reagan one nine hundred eighty praising the workers in poland said when collective bargaining goes
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freedom go very straight forward because in poland it's going to i'm sorry bill that makes sense if you're dealing with a private company that has to face you deal with politicians who can kick the bucket down the road and they're going to get whatever you want so they can they can win the next election and he's going to collapse and you throw those politicians out and you go and you know that's where the time you get to a point where where where is the state the state budget is in fiscal catastrophe that's not good scott walker is leading i think calmly by fighting around there's none of the above it's really about stripping a little while the middle class has love to get involved people like our brothers. i think where there were reports of democrats coming home and possible future legal challenges to walker's legislation who is really going to win this battle is going to. you're saying bill that that waters are a loss to know joe no no no he certainly johnny is no he won this battle there's no doubt about it i think he loses a war i think they're going to recall probably four or five of the senators here
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the so the character of the senate is going to change they're going to be versus legislation walker will be recalled in in january or february and then it's over america america is going to win this battle as long as we have leaders like scott walker and chris christie and bob casey and governors across america who are leading and doing the tough things that are unpopular but necessary traditionally were unpopular i think that's changing but traditionally been unpopular but are necessary to fix the fiscal situation in the states to put america on the right track which seems to me as being there's about a common isn't popular about what democracy is all about i mean when you vote for people who do what you want and absolutely we've seen in the last election especially the message of the american people is get the fiscal house in order and right welker's leading and we'll see what the political ramifications are but people like the people who want politicians to make tough decisions actually no way except when it comes to people making over two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year they don't have to sacrifice they don't have to they just get all of the tax
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code so this is where our guest a subordinate where she gets credit all they want to say can i get all the tax code they want just like everybody else get the same as everyone else it's hypocritical it was good are treating everybody the same but at some point but well you know what is right and i want to treat the people who make two hundred fifty thousand dollars more and give them to take away their tax cut and people want everyone else's tax if you switch your eyes we are going principle in a bad economic train if everybody has to sacrifice and everybody has to sacrifice you don't treat the wealthy differently than you do the middle class and if you've got a little drive you're actually going to treat it differently. but if you're going to use it out of it but it but it's but the but the wealthy are getting the tax cuts i mean are you hearing those trickle down theory that if we make the rich. richard that somehow that's going to help the middle class you know i personally favor a fair tax where everybody pays on consumption but we need as option absolutely so so if i make a million dollars a year which is more than i could possibly spread i'm only paying taxes i'm
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a little bit of what i buy you know let's say i buy really expensive clothing or something like that but paying more than what i pay at target to buy my clothes but it's a small amount still most of my income is going to go into the swiss bank and texas that we're suggesting you know i'm not saying that i'm saying that we need a simpler fairer tax code and i think a fair tax is the way to do it with with the consumption and frankly you're going to spend more on everything in your life and you're going to hire people to help you and you're going to buy things that are expensive you're going to buy expensive cars and everything well why is it we're in the right with us can i be if i have to support a fair tax in the sense that i think just everybody ought to pay their fair share including corporations including banks and including companies the pay which maybe one percent two percent or zero taxes. ok but my take on this we don't know the republicans are getting their legislation through we don't know who's really won
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but the republicans are betting that by this time the next by the time the next election people will have forgotten and that they can throw enough democratic leaning voters off the rolls that they'll be able to win karl rove is making that bet i hope he's wrong i have a hard time betting against karl rove though he's usually usually when he's thin or go from here we better damn well get out and vote in the next election twenty percent fewer voters in wisconsin in two thousand and ten than two thousand but you've got all across the country you've got in states where people do you know try to make it harder and harder for people i'm told and that's what everybody ought to get out as the best but i think as we've already over the last few weeks thousands of people around the country have protested corporations taxes as part of the make wall street a and us uncut movements person have been watching mainstream news. as you wouldn't know that because the networks aren't covering instead of covering the n.p.r. controversy as in the show a complete bias in the media that they choose to focus on the right wing talking points about one crazy and now fired it in p.r.
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rather than real problems like corporations avoiding paying billions and axes while we're in the middle of a fiscal crisis that is usa on track they're out in front of bank of america shutting it down because they paid no taxes in zero nine i asked every day by the left no it's not new. but in the highlights of protests around the corner then i mean that you know that's not where it is where does one begin with that statement first of all it wasn't just one n.p.r. executive there was also there were more they were trying to arrange an accepted five billion dollars and give them honestly so the government ought to be our muslim brotherhood one hundred organization actually they didn't do. the talking point memo's make clear that the only objection they had that it might not work and this one of the one of the ways they set up a company they had no moral objection to accepting this money going to use i have to tell you the white house every day every day in front of the white house there are protests hundreds of protesters i don't know who the hell they are they're never on the evening news i mean that's the breaks you know to me they shut down a few more banks made below make the news and on the n.p.r. thing i've got to tell you if somebody called me or you and said i'm from the
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muslim brotherhood i've got some money here but i think if you i mean come on i'm going to i wouldn't take until i want to know so you know i don't feel sorry for these. here it well and in fact let's just take that a step further. it seems to me that n.p.r. let's talk about it here for a minute she is neither fish nor fowl the are not government funded because they're getting i mean they're get they're getting some government funds and they get a bunch of corporate funds and back when they were entirely government funded they were doing like really great investigative journalism and they busted. are just in the middle and a.t.m. had to pay a three hundred million dollars fine for price fixing that was n.p.r.'s research i don't see that happening now that they're corporate funded my position is they should either go entirely so. by their listeners or entirely government funded like maybe c and canadian broadcasting i'm just curious what you guys think about i think we're seeing n.p.r. being cut one position at a time you know with with. all the resignations i think it's got that ultimately
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going to end up being a privately funded entity it's got bill your take on this you wrote a book about the talk was about budgets hard to public radio i mean as somebody who competes with n.p.r. i wouldn't want to go just disappeared. and now i think you sort of a valid purpose but i would agree with you i mean i think they've got to decide who they are and they all might even be a bit i would support their funding i think they might be better off without me i personally think they should have to compete with everyone else i don't think it should be government funding but i disagree with your point that you think that if they were government funded they would be this fantastic organization that bed is journalistically looking into everything i've lived in london for a year as a grad student i watched the b.b.c. this is no unbiased pinnacle of journalism that you see the big bad government funding will make news organizations must assume the different lives in europe for your roles. we will seem different newscasts that any you might take you'll never ever hear the corporate media talk about the problems of corporate control of
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america. and discussion that's why and that's why you know us uncut is not being covered for. republican chairman of the homeland security committee peter king cake off his hearings into american muslim communities this week also this week a neo nazi christian white supremacist not a muslim was arrested for attempting to blow up a martin luther king day parade last month so in the spirit of peter king any guys here on the panel a muslim and if so what do you plotting and why is peter king one of the few people who actually think that joe mccarthy had a good idea back and this is this is ridiculous i watched the whole hearing i actually think that the wave republicans can assure that they win more seats in two thousand and twelve is to watch i have every american watched that hearing because what you describe is not what happened when you had his. one party the republicans there were serious and looking into a threat that everyone knows exists not all muslims are terrorists but radicalization of of segments of the american population we know at least one major
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radical from america on warlock was head of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula so this is a serious problem that exists and muslims are on the panel are the ones that were that were that we were discussing it and the other party were demagogues they didn't they didn't add anything to it show the american people this tape and republicans will win every seat congress is going to god was cheering this hearing absolutely on american i think profoundly un-american if you want to talk about terrorist threats in the united states fine but it's not just in the muslim community as you pointed out sort of onlookers there's a fire they say i'm lucky ok because i'm a catholic and for me. ok if i'm a terrorist because he likes the lycee are a lot of you are you going to ireland you raise money for them in support of them he said and i was sad when they were killing people yes and he said if women and children it was women which were killed because of an ira attack i'm not going to condemn the ira and i'm not going to call them immoral for doing so that's a very i'm not also here to debate personalities i disagree with that statement i
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know that people probably pass i was around to remember the iranian debates back when when he was doing that i condemn and he said it but you have to be out of your mind not to think that right muslim radicalization is a threat to america your tutor wants it to stick i don't know i don't know where you get it but the matter of fact is it doesn't add up to the threat of al qaeda which has the means and capabilities work with states to get weapons of mass destruction over to work you're right it was a radical you know main point which is you don't single out any one person you don't scapegoat one religion if you're looking at a problem then you look across the board this is what this is a militia look at the skin it didn't talk about. here if you want let's to players really make them exactly because this is a seriously what you are doing to get red herrings or if you are doing you know what right. winter is here and you wouldn't say we're going to investigate christianity you know this is here's the thing there are millions of muslims in this country who are patriotic who want to know about the handful of folks who are organizing to do harm to their good friends who aren't and then there's the first
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of all the washington bomber there's absolutely no evidence that there was organizing involved other than this you know so we do need to look at people who organize in coordinated efforts to do harm to this country whoever they are and there are a lot of people who are not ok in my opinion what king is doing is providing a much needed distraction for the republican party from the left of america to the republicans the banks are probably not and not if not a small number of democrats participating in this right under our noses bread and circus this is the circus moammar gadhafi is launching relentless airstrikes against rebels in libya well he draws criticism from countries all over the world for his brutal tactics the head of national intelligence for the united states james clapper said yesterday that gadhafi is is likely to prevail in libya was president obama said all options are still on the table regarding confronting it off so is the u.s.
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doing enough or is new cambridge right we should have a no fly zone sort of over the country immediately well here's what bothers me about this is yesterday in his news conference obama used harsher language against the house republicans and he did about khadafi lies this guy still alive you know we need to do everything we can to support the insurgents in that country and it's going to come down to the guy with the bigger gun wins and you know like nukes are cozy calling for airstrikes i mean we really need to wise gadhafi not dead is what i want to. i have to tell you first of all if i were president james clapper would be out. this is not the first time that he has said things in public which first i don't think are true and he should have said as director of intelligence number one number two. i think. that there were whole the civilized world is united against gadhafi but i'm afraid is that before we get our you know what to go there. if he's going to wipe out the opposition now we've moved fast but i don't think we move
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fast enough i don't want to see is the. start of third war and i'm sure we can afford it in many ways but. in concert with our allies i think we are that we should have been there already with the no fly zone well two things i think it's a difficult situation i think it very least we should be providing intelligence on the ground of cannot use forces where they are in providing weapons to the no fly zone brings in difficult situations but the one thing i can't stand this idea with the international committee we have you know what it is it's america that's going to provide all the any power that it matters for saying that internationally matters here but they go here's my take on this is that we should be careful what we wish for remember nine hundred seventy eight iran and everybody was like oh yeah they're overthrowing the shah well gee i was all i could you know there are so many factions and tribes in libya it is so fractionalized that country it is not there's not that now that monolithic group like the military and the and the union movement in egypt that can step in and say yeah we're here i think that there's a lot of danger here in our personal any final question quickfire interviews week
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new gay marriage explain away his past infidelities by saying. there's no question in the times of my life partially driven by. how passionately i felt about this country. that i work for too hard and the things happen in my life that were not appropriate. in other words he cheated on several wives because he was too patriotic i get that excuse didn't work with his previous wife or most. voters actually he was my rock my congressman for thirteen years what are some of the excuses that may have worked quick answers a i'm sorry baby after i shut the government down and i had way too much time on my hands be sweetie listen after hearing all the details about the clinton lewinsky lewinsky affair i just got to od bothered or see honey i have no intention of cheating i just have a wide stance. i thirty thirty seconds no i have
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a better and saviors there are lots of gay couples out there who are married and they are just as patriotic if not more patriotic because of their one marriage yeah ok i'll leave that and will will just have my i'll say amen to that and i just wonder whether newtons has a peace and god bless america before they hop in the bed he's not just wanted to emulate. addressed by a there you go my answer is that his answer would be sorry darling i was just trying to fit in with the rest of the republicans like ensign vitter stanford stanford jamila salvia bill press jamie weinstein thank you guys very much extra for it. after the break the heavy blow delivered to public employees in wisconsin a corporate takeover isn't anything new. next to my daily.
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you may think what's happening across this country like scott walker suffered in wisconsin to strip rights from working people and give multibillion dollar tax breaks to corporations and something new it's not it actually was started more than one hundred years ago by the stroke of one of them his name was john chandler bancroft davis i tell his story in the first chapter of my book on equal protection . it eight hundred eighty six bancroft was the court reporter for the united states supreme court and he was on the he was on the job well that court was hearing arguments in a case called santa clara county versus the southern pacific railroad although at the time the chief justice moore is an ironic way but it was just about a simple boring x. issue that case would ultimately redefine america forever if it wasn't for that case scott walker wouldn't even be governor now because corporate money couldn't
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have helped him get elected ok senator on whether or not the corporation the southern pacific railroad owed santa clara money six years' worth of unpaid property taxes again it just all really monday and stuff ultimately the court let stand a lower california court decision because they said it was the state of california is issue not a federal issue case closed not a constitutional debate you can read online on the website and supreme court itself nothing there about corporations being able to elect governors but here's where everything went a little ways as one of its six defenses in the case the southern pacific railroad made an unusual argument they tried to argue that personhood rights under the fourteenth amendment passed just twenty years earlier after the civil war to grant slaves full citizenship and equal protection under the law that those rights should also apply to corporations why because corporations had always been called
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artificial persons under the law but humans had always been called natural persons and the fourteenth amendment only says to any person so the railroad said that to tax them differently in one county then in another was the same as saying that a black person could be free in the north with a slave in the south. in this case chief justice wait explicitly told the lawyers for the southern pacific railroad that his court would not rule on the issue of corporate personhood and they ought to move on with their arguments but a year later the chief justice was mortally hill with congestive heart failure after the case was decided and the case as i said was not did not decide the corporations have rights as persons and the court reporter j.c. bancroft davis was a very wealthy and powerful man some of the former governor of massachusetts former president of the new newburgh and new york railroad and apparently good buddies with all the other railroad billionaires keep in mind at that time these guys were
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the bill gates's of their day they were literally the richest woman in the world. now one of the things that supreme court reporters do in addition to chronicling the case is to write a cliff notes version of the case this short summary has no legal standing whatsoever it's just there to make it easier for lawyers to find in the future when they're looking for a case it's called ahead but bizarrely in this case mr davis the court clerk decided to put a poetic license in his ad note while the case did not decide that corporations are persons in fact of anything or rejected the notion for the fifth time in as many years bancroft in his cliff notes version in his his head no he wrote quote the defendant corporations are persons within the intent of the clause in section one of the fourteenth amendment to the united states which forbids a state to guide any person with it has jurisdiction equal protection of the law end quote and with that simple headnotes something that isn't legally even binding
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bancroft inquiry port about a judge i don't like that official slipped into the supreme court's record full constitutional rights personhood for corporations this despite the fact that the chief justice specifically said his court would not address the matter and despite the fact that every previous supreme court decision had explicitly denied those same rights to corporations and by the time bancroft john challenger b. it was published that ed note a year later for the world to see chief justice weight was dead of bankruptcy so he couldn't object but bankruptcy single sentence in that had no it has no legal authority as enabled corporations to use person but claims the constitutional rights to wage war against unions against the middle class and even against our politicians that they didn't that they don't like for over one hundred twenty years culminating in the citizens united decision before the supreme court in two
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thousand. and with the help of republicans like scott walker all around the country these corporations are now claiming the absolute right to buy and sell politicians and to write laws the benefit them and screw you and me scott walker may be the face of this effort today but the first culprit was that rather obscure court reporter jacey bankrupt ava's who with the stroke of his quill undid the intentions of our founders and set the nation down the road to corporatocracy please help us spread the truth about what really happened in that fateful court case in one thousand nine hundred six and put an end to corporate personhood and bus stop this ruthless takeover of our democracy that's the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered as our web sites of thom hartmann dot com and r.t. dot com entire show is available for free podcast on i tunes also check out our youtube page you tube back slushie does big picture archie and gopher get him ocracy begins with you get out there get active show out tag you're it so you money.
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