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which seems in the program some viewers might find setting. for the. we've got. the biggest issues get the human voice face to face with the news makers. if. can. you think of. the low in welcome the crosstalk on peter lavelle to drift to the right all across europe and the us more and more people are giving the

political rights a new look and more times than not it is the issue of immigration they galvanize his voters is the politics of intolerance coming into vogue. can. you discuss the growing appeal of the right wing i'm joined by tommy robinson in london he is the leader of the english defense league and in strasburg we cross edward mortimer he's a senior vice president and chief program officer at the salzburg global seminar and another member of our crosstalk team you know in the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk you both have difference of points of view i'd like to go to edward first in strasbourg we had a poll that came out a few days ago that madame le pen is ahead in the polls for the presidential poll in france next year she's beating the president others will even say if they vote were held now they would vote for her also if i go to mail online british

publication here on the top headline is half of britons would vote for far right parties if they gave up violence and if i could continue a total of forty eight percent said they would definitely support or consider supporting a party with such an agenda if it shunned violence and fascist imagery what is going on all across europe why the is such a great appeal to the right and so dramatic. well i think that europe is feeling a lack of a sense of direction at the moment we haven't got very strong national leaders and we certainly haven't got very strong leaders at the european level we are suffering of course the aftereffects of the major economic crisis as you know the euro has been under a lot of pressure particularly some countries close to defaults and having to make very heavy cuts in government spending so i think the people are fed up and they're

looking around for other people to blame and that they're probably looking for something new and different which sounds more decisive. and of course you know one shouldn't prejudge too quickly what the results will be in real elections where governments are being chosen i think from their point of view the most significant so far is in the netherlands last year which has resulted in a government that is relying for support on one of these far right parties but has not yet brought in in most other countries they are still more or less at the knowledge and supports next ok tell me if i'm going to you is your organisation is it more or do you see the attraction to your. group is that more of a protester is it much more it'll die because we just even edwards a lot of people are having a lot of do you have a lot of issues with the status quo that the european leaderships have not performed in the way people would have liked in we're a street protest movement i believe a lot of people would wish for us to be

a political organization but we're not we're a single issue organization who want to raise awareness and put pressure on the politicians are already there to deal with these problems and realise what we're living with and realise the effect that the islam and islamism is having on this country and on our everyday lives how we got three percent of the country and what seven percent on many issues and causes so much alarm and distress and such a disturbance to the country when there's only three percent. and we think of our children's futures we're thinking of our country's future we're thinking about our culture and we stand up for a way of life and i think that's what you see in question europe you see in across the world islam is cause and war and waging war everywhere from one end of the plant to the other people are realizing that people are realizing now this facade that islam is a religion of peace is absolute rubbish it's not a religion of peace never has been never will be and people are making a stand now and speaking out whereas in this country we've been beaten down by race and state while the previous government for fifteen years we've been walking on

eggshells scared to say any think for a fear of being branded a racist with a even seen a systematic rape of our youth when muslim gangs and the place knew it was going on for twenty years and i didn't do anything and the reason why was for fear of being called a racist they allowed right for fear of being called a racist that's how big the problem was everyone was so scared and when we're breaking out to be with program there's a lot more to be the need to break we need to break into to place an system funding system that overwhelmingly favors these and we're only sorry edward islam in mosul is being scapegoated here because of them a lazy use engineers are lazy lazy you mentioned at the beginning of the program. it's only what it sounds like to me. i have to admit that i am although i british i'm living outside britain at the moment but i think i'm in reasonably close touch with the country i'm visiting it very frequently the idea that ninety seven percent

of the population are being dominated by three percent and simply go it's not recognizable to me at all i really don't know what he's talking about. me when i respond to that word can i read your head with where are you from and where are you from england edward. well i didn't want to ask what i thought you were up in the southwest which was to be like them i wasn't at all. which town is that it x r c you know nothing about exit growing up and within it there you know nothing about growing up in a town that is plagued with a million years on and you are talking about things that you read and things in the study you have no firsthand experience without being rude. and the hope it and the heart of million is land in this country so i can speak more fav in first hand on the effect that islam has is have in on us in our communities and our towns on our youth and our future so all i'm talking about explain is not what i've read and

what you sow so you can see it in a foreign country which you are trying to tell us how it is in england on telling you how it is in the town i grew up in the town i live in the town i love is our town and it is plagued with a disease again anywhere near where it's quite fashionable today it is say that multiculturalism is failed in europe we've heard the german chancellor said it i just said it's fashionable we've heard our cameron the british prime minister say the same thing i mean is it is it is fashionable because it's not getting the results to people want or it's people politicians are afraid of the voters and we also we have a case of that because the that is looking for reelection angle merkel's under a lot of pressure in local and regional elections i mean what is the connection between the two you said this is more of a political move to say it's failed. well i think a good deal of that i think merkel said that because of the popularity of this book by. you know about it which shows that germany is abolishing itself and will become

a completely muslim country by the end of the century which has been surprisingly popular so i think that has had an effect on mainstream politicians but i did i think they often don't define very clearly what they mean by multiculturalism when they say that it's failed i mean something has failed because obviously there are parts of our cities and may well be one of them where you have something like muslim. or parallel societies and if that is the result of multiculturalism then obviously it's failed but i think there may be other ways that one could interpret multiculturalism and i would hope that it would mean bringing people of different culture and religion together and helping them to understand each other and to do things together and build a better country and i know many muslims in britain who are trying to do that and who are not at all like the ones that tommy is talking about so i think he should

not be a bit careful about generalizing and blackening a whole religion and all people who follow it on the basis of some specific incidents tell me what do you say about that is it a lot of people say about individuals like yourself and your group is that you decide to make a big huge blanket around a group of people that are extremely new ones that are maybe from different generations coming from different places and the only thing that they have in common see is their face go ahead already had you talk about you talk about her in a blanket over something totally fast what these politicians are doing when they say no no it isn't failed because it hasn't. islams failed. in europe is failing everywhere not hopeless and hasn't been a blanket pulled in the problem and so that it doesn't actually directly say who the problem are the problem is these am. religion the problem is the islamic faith is not more in cultures and because as an insult to sikhism hinduism judaism is an insult to the west indian community of this country is an insult to the irish community all the different communities that comes to this country embraced it and

integrate fully it is only and only the islamic community to do that and that's not our fault we can't blame our social can't be ourselves the problem lies there in their community not in ours they need to reform their religion in a way that they wish to live side by side they need to accept british law as the supremes lord this country they need to denounce shariah law stop calling for it stop calling for the spread of it stop asking for the implementation of it stop openshaw our courts which were against the human rights of women stop the spread in islam islam across our country and until they reform their religion which isn't is for them to do we will continue highlighting these issues and we're not racist for doing that we're just pointing out the problems which are there and they're there for everyone in the world to see and they're spreading these problems not in. not talking about or not tackling it means a whole lot and we all know how to solve ok it is very interesting isn't it i mean if i go to edward i mean well as we speak right now we have muslim people in the

arab world fighting for their rights fighting for freedom spreading for some people would say democracy will see where it goes i mean it's kind of hard to kind of bring the two together if you say to one group of people in one faith in one part of the world is one thing but when you have hundreds of millions of other people in another part of the world the muslim world that are fighting for their freedoms right now and a lot of people say that people in europe are walking away from those same freedoms by diet and wanting to deny people that live there even citizens their rights. well i mean i think frankly it's ridiculous to lump everybody you know there are probably a hundred i think a hundred million. maybe something like a billion muslims in the world you know it's to say that they're all the same they're all militant jihadi so whatever and i mean this is ridiculous as it would be to say the same thing about all the christians i mean i think that i didn't say you know there are a number of unpleasant groups in the world some of them may be muslim and some of

them have other ideologies but i think there's most muslims and certainly the ones i know law abiding people who indeed want to exist with their fellow citizens and i think that it doesn't serve any purpose to build up this sort of hysteria about ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the political right stay with our. kids. because. my name is daniel smith this is julian assange we're here to make a short presentation of all that we can fix project. the first. in the fourth take

to get information out about the real world. who have worked on and on a. secret visit because. it would be a good marketing. if i ever put him off the bench or he would hunt me down and kill. this is exactly one of the reasons why we left the country. because it has become a war about this old james bond. than about the actual information. but thank you. all the people around won't. let me.

bring you the latest in science and technology from around russia. we've done the future coverage. came. to mind you were speaking about the rise of the right wing in europe. but first let's see what russians think about this issue a recent poll suggests the leader of france far right party in iran like ben is heading next year's presidential race and the country the national front party is known for its best to semitic sentiments but one taking over the part of marine le

pen involved to focus on the role of islam in france home to six million muslims that's sparking for the debate on immigration issues the russian public opinion research center asked muscovites what the photos should do to prevent tensions and conflicts between ethnic groups six to seven percent say registration and entrails for all of my blood before should be strengthened thirty two percent claimed they should sever punishment and for hate speech twenty two percent believe authorities should avoid concentration of my gran's in particular areas eighteen percent see very extremist political and religious groups as a solution so calling for different issues but will the return on the political right help resolve the immigration question. ok tell me if i can go to you in london a lot of people say in there be your critics there. the use of islam the use of.

talking about islam and muslims is to bring in your a very came to what we said about the jews in the one nine hundred thirty s. people being a group of people how do you respond to that. it's absolute nonsense i wasn't around in ninth that is we're not scapegoating anyone all we're doing is highlighting and point out the problem and the problem is there for everyone to see the problem is an epidemic sweeping across this country and everyone knows it and that's why people want to bury their head in the sand its hands in the face the public feeling is not there everyone the english defense league has been one of the biggest phenomenons to sweep this country ever there's a reason for that because people in these towns and cities like blue and not like x. are probably aware where it was from because they probably have a clue about islamic towns and see that it sounds that it's not luton where there are problems in birmingham in bradford in leeds and in halifax everyone's been feelin the same we've had no voice we've had no one protecting us and i won't stand not standing up for us and i want to pose in this fascist or ideology that's

masquerading as a religion let's walk across our country on tremont and promote ensure our law in high treats promoting extremism promoting homophobia promoting on is some some medicine all these different things are symptoms are coming from this religion and they need tackling and it's not racist to try and talk about and i want to ask you so when when when when i was. writing what for boy about our organization that's how i tell the media how media and analysts look at europe is asian and others are the national front in events very big media there and i know nothing about national front but all right i'm allowing you to express your opinion that's ok that's why we invited you on the program ok edward not because i could go to you a lot of scholars and there are female scholars of islam they happen to be muslims themselves in the us in the u.k. and in continental europe have told me personally that for too long liberals in the west bury their head saying well we don't we want to be tolerant we want to be

tolerant so you just turn another turn your turn your head away from it it's their business and a lot of people in it and there's a lot there's a large muslim community here in moscow and there are some people are saying well look you know we live here we have certain values it's the way we live our life and we expect you is yes and becoming citizens of this country it least pick up some of the basics and i think that's a fair thing to ask isn't it. absolutely i think that we should stand up for the rights of all individuals and of course that includes individual when we are concerned to recognize the rights of groups should never lead us to neglect the rights of individuals when large numbers of individuals form a group they want to practice their religion build a mosque whatever it is i mean those are also rights that people have and which we should respect so i think that we shouldn't confuse the two things economy what do

you think about that i mean it's great to hear you about is doing hard to so i find it hard to respect when we've seen for documentaries recently in britain we've seen the islamic mage rasta schools we're seeing what they're teaching in these islamic groups the and the homophobic i find hard to suspect that in any way we've seen a green line mosque under cover mastracchio meant for which showed him from now in hatred extremism in one of the pekin of moderation mosques in this country we've seen in east london mosque with islamic form of europe every time a mosque is exposed on undercover documentary we see hatred and we see extremism so i personally find it very hard to respect any building of any more mosques and we're in for no it isn't because there are laws being promoted in them and there's no governing body there's no moderation of any of these mosques at all at the moment and it's out of control this is most applications only left right and center and until we solve the problem until we deal. with the. elements of its religion then i need to stop building these mosque you know it's very

interesting and we'll do it i've done a number of programs i'm an immigration on in islam in europe in this and i'd like to address this to edward here is it it's not really the do the building of mosques per se mean in maybe tommy and his friends we disagree but it's because europe itself is becoming less and less christian and our identities are not determined usually through our religious faith it's one of our identities but because of the how are muslim people feel they are treated perception they're treated equally the retreat into their religion that's at least some interpretations out there i mean isn't that really different if the secularization that we've experienced in europe . it may be partly that but i think all these things are generalisations the fact that there are many people in your who are from muslim background but may not wish to be identified as muslims and there are others who say this is an important part of my identity and i think there are many who while they may not

be particularly keen to draw attention to themselves when they hear somebody talking the way tommy does about their religion and making out as if you know a few things that go on in a few mosques which have been given a great prominence in the media and said you know like a mosque you know this one he's claiming that he is claiming that you are being silenced you know this is an unheard voice and then you cite a series of documentaries that have been given prominent you have been been shown on the b.b.c. or wherever i think certainly some muslims do feel offended by that and they feel that they are being targeted and. that probably reinforces their islamic identity and maybe make them even think it's a mistake they should be prepared to denounce anybody who's advocating violence or intolerance but they may be more reluctant to do so if it means that they're going

to be associated with people who talk the way top leaders we think about that i mean really people are attacked or scaffolding and they could be would naturally turn inward on their own the identity that you're forcing apart think already hand remember remember being potentially been here for not even two years what happened before that now unfortunately no one none of them saying anything against islamic people to pay for it and the problem was there you took those names feel offended we're offended on a daily paper that rod are you saying i mean after all after. after the july bombings there was a great deal of anti muslim speech in the seventy's i don't i hope we have got past that. well ok great why hasn't britain got past it then. i think it's actually a story. it's a i think it's a complicated set of questions but we're certainly not helped by media who go out

looking for minorities to blame and to encourage this kind of feeling i think that most people who actually live in areas where there are muslims and who see them every day know that it's only a small minority of them that would advocate terrorism or. extreme versions traditions which would be of the oppression of women and although it's i think it's it the trouble is that most people are learning about it from the media and from people like tommy and they get very worried what's happening to the country and i think it's enormously exaggerated and it's not a healthy way to deal with it do you think about that i mean you're part of the problem not part of the solution. here are here that we are a symptom we are a symptom of the problem if you get down to the root cause of the problem and deal the with it there would be no english defense league is small talk about small numbers and a handful of people ten thousand people who attended his party his last annual

rally in this country in london ten thousand people. in most nations are you yet you said through. a population of mostly. come here thirty seven thousand is really quite. proport ten thousand really ok with the british national party how did an annual rally and make it and i guess thousand people they got three million votes so his part here would have ten thousand people attend their rallies. thirty seven percent of british muslims when i can afford in a poll say they wish for sure rather low in this country that's not a small percentage if for a million people did you realise the jury a lot more means. do you know what sharia law. or you i mean i haven't sort of studied but. there's one hundred one hundred courts in this country there in the european court of human rights in three thousand and seven was it issued to shariah law is incompatible with western democracy and freedom due to their views on homosexuals on women and their views on infidels so this is

a system that cannot ok sagittarian locker room wasn't this time is that correct characterization go ahead and work. no because he's doing he's jumping from he talks about sharia law which is an abstraction and then he talks about values. he might you know you have he's almost every muslim will tell you he wants to follow the sharia which is the path of following the divine law i mean christians would say the same but it doesn't necessarily mean that you want to cut people's hands off or anything like that a recipe a person who has been married to or family law you know where if you two people get married it's they make a contract and you know they need to know what the terms of the contract or and so they will say you know we're having this marriage law. so it makes it sound all right coming to you the last word twenty seconds go ahead tell me i had twenty seconds where you defend it and it was defending sharia law but

we've been in the shoe a little coarser treated unfairly we're going to fall for decades in this country for equal rights we're not allowing muslim british muslim women and women of our country not our allowing them to be punished russia story and treat on friends are going to have to jump in here gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks my guess again in london and strasburg and thanks for viewers through watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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