welcome back here's a look at our developing story today japan embraces itself for a new explosion after a third reactor loses its cooling capacity of your perfume the wanted nuclear power plant eleven people were injured on monday morning in the second blast to hit the plant since friday's devastating earthquake and tsunami. japanese officials say some two thousand bodies have been found in the miyagi prefecture following friday's a massive earthquake and tsunami the findings will significantly increase the number of dead which currently stands at eight thousand eight hundred. and

emergency officials are on high alert and russia's far eastern southern region that's close to japan's border concerns about the threat of nuclear contamination. of we'll bring you more news on japan at the top of the hour but next our debate cross-talk and rich peter lavelle talks about the rise of the right in europe just a reminder there are scenes in the program which some viewers may find upsetting. can stand. alone and welcome to cross talk on peter lavelle the drift to the right all across europe and the us more and more people are giving the political rights a new look and more times than not it is the issue of immigration they galvanizes voters is the politics of intolerance coming into vogue. can.

you discuss the growing appeal of the right wing i'm joined by tommy robinson in london he is the leader of the english defense league and in strasbourg we cross edward mortimer he's a senior vice president and chief program officer at the salzburg global seminar and another member of our crossed our team you know in the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk you both have differences of points of view i to go to edward first instead aspart we had a poll that came out a few days ago that madame le pen is ahead in the polls for the presidential poll in france next year she's beating the president others will even say if they vote were held now they would vote for her also if i go to mail online british publication here and that headline is half of britons would vote for far right parties if they gave up violence and if i can continue a total of forty eight percent said they would definitely support or consider

supporting a party with such an agenda he said shun violence and fascist imagery what is going on all across europe why do you get such a great appeal to the right and so dramatic. well i think that there's no doubt good europe is feeling a lack of a sense of direction at the moment we haven't got very strong national leaders and we certainly haven't got very strong leaders the european level we're suffering of course the aftereffects of the major economic crisis as you know the euro has been under a lot of pressure particularly some countries close to defaults and having to make very heavy cuts in government spending so i think that people are fed up and they're looking around for other people to blame and they're probably looking for something new and different and which sounds more decisive. and of course you know

one shouldn't prejudge too quickly what the results will be in real elections where governments are being chosen i think from that point of view the most significant so far is in the netherlands last year which has resulted in a government that is relying for support on one of these far right parties but has not yet brought it in in most other countries they are still more or less at the margins of politics ok tell me if i go to you is your organisation is it more of or do you see the attraction to your. group is that more of a protest or is it much more easily that because we just even edwards a lot of people are having a lot of do have a lot of issues with the status quo that the european leaderships have not performed in the way people would have liked it were a street protest movement i believe a lot of people would wish for us to be a political organization but we're not we're a single issue organization who want to raise awareness and put pressure on the politicians are already there to deal with these problems and realise what we're

living with and realise the effect isn't on an islam is and is having on this country and on our everyday lives how we got three percent of the country seven percent on many issues and causes so much alarm and distress and such a disturbance to the country when there's only three percent. and we think of our children's futures we're thinking of our country's future we're thinking of our culture and we stand up for our way of life and i think that's what you see in across europe you see in across the world islam is causing war and waging war everywhere from one end of the plant the other people are realizing that people are realizing now this facade that islam is a religion of pace is absolute rubbish it's not a religion of peace never has been never will be and people are making a stand now and speaking out whereas in this country we're down to racist by the previous government for fifteen years we've been walking on eggshells scared to say anything through fear of being branded a racist we've even seen a systematic rape of our youth one muslim gangs and the place knew it was going on for twenty years and i didn't do anything and the reason why was for fear of being

called a racist they allowed right for fear of being called a racist class how big a problem not everyone was so scared and when we're breaking out somebody would program there's a lot more to be easily to break we need to break a place and system or two to funding system. overwhelmingly favors the islamic world when we solve it edward islam in muslims being scapegoated here because of them a lazy human engineers are the lazy lazy you mentioned at the beginning of the program go ahead it's certainly what it sounds like to me. i have to admit that i am although i'm british i'm living outside britain at the moment but i'm writing i'm in reasonably close touch with the country i'm visiting it very frequently the idea that ninety seven percent of the population are being dominated by three percent. it's not recognizable to me at all i really don't know what he's talking about. me you want to respond to that was can i read your head where are you from

and where are you from in england edward. idealogues i was going to let you go up in the southwest which was to be either my rosily at all. which town is that it takes are so you know nothing about exit growing up and within and where you know nothing about growing up in a town that is plagued with a million is not you are talking about things that you read and things that you study you have no firsthand experience without being rude. in the hot bed and the heart of militant islam in this country so i can speak more favorably in first hand on the effect that islam and its have in on us in our communities and our towns on our youth and our future so i'm talking about experience number of raids on what you sow so you can see in a foreign country which you are trying to tell us how it is in england on telling you how it is in the town or in the town i live in the tower love is our town and it is plagued with

a disease ok where you are it's quite fashionable today does say that multiculturalism is failed in europe we've heard the german chancellor is said and i just said it's fashionable we've heard our cameron the british prime minister say the same thing i mean is it is it it's fashionable because it's not getting the results that people want or it's people at the politicians are afraid of the voters and we also we have a case of that of course the that is looking for reelection and able merkel's under a lot of pressure in local in regional elections i mean what is the connection between the two use it this is more of a political move to say it's failed. well i think it is a good deal of that i think america all said that because of the popularity of this book by. you know which shows that germany is abolishing itself and will become a completely muslim country by the end of the century which has been surprisingly popular so i think that has had an effect on mainstream politicians but i did i

think they often don't define very clearly what they mean by nazi culture is and when they say that it's failed i mean something has failed because obviously there are parts of our cities and may well be one of them where you have something like. this or parallel societies and if that is the result of multiculturalism then obviously it's failed but i think there may be other ways that we could interpret multiculturalism and i would hope that it would mean bringing people of different culture and religion together and helping them to understand each other and to do things together and build a better country and i know many muslims in britain who are trying to do that and who are not at all like the ones that tom is is talking about so i think you should not be a bit careful about generalizing and blackening a whole religion and all people who follow is on the basis of some specific incidents clearly when you say about there's a lot of people who say individuals like yourself and your group is that you just

like to make a big huge blanket around a group of people that are extremely nuanced there maybe from different generations coming from different places and the only thing that they have in common c. is their faith go ahead read ahead you talk about you talk about that in a blanket over something couple leave that's what these politicians are doing when they say not resumes failed because it hasn't. islam has failed islam failed in britain is found in europe is failing everywhere now we cultures and has been put in a blanket pulled in the problem and so that it doesn't actually directly say who the problem or the problem is islamic the. religion the problem is the islamic faith is not what we culture them because as an insult to say it isn't hinduism judaism is are is an insult to the west indian community in this country it's an insult to the irish community all the different communities that comes this country embraced it and integrated fully it is only an only community who failed to do that and that's not our fault we can't blame our social can't be ourselves the problem lies there

in their community not in ours they need to reform their religion in a way that they wish to live side by side they need to accept british law as the supremes lord this country they need to denounce sure wild or so calling for it stop calling for the spread of it stop asking for the implementation of it stop open show our courts which are against human rights of women stop spreading islam islam across our country and until they be form their religion which is and is for them to do we will continue in these issues and we're not racists for doing that we just point out the problems which are there and they're there for everyone in the world to see and they're spreading these problems not get in and saw it we're not talking about or not tackling it means a whole lot and we all know how to solve ok if it is very interesting is generally very very good edward i mean well as we speak right now we have muslim people in the arab world fighting for their rights fighting for freedom striving for some people would say democracy will see where it goes i mean it's kind of hard to kind of bring the two together if you say to one group of people one faith in one part

of the world is one thing but when you have hundreds of millions of other people in another part of the world the muslim world that are fighting for their freedoms right now and a lot of people say that people in europe are walking away from those same freedoms by wanting to deny people that live there even citizens their rights. well i mean i think frankly it's ridiculous to. everybody you know there are probably a hundred i think a hundred million. maybe something like a billion muslims in the world you know to say that they're all the same and they're all militant jihadists or whatever and i mean this is ridiculous as it would be to say the same thing about all the christians i mean i think. there are a number of unpleasant groups in the world some of them may be muslim and some of them have other ideologies but i think that most muslims and certainly the ones i know law abiding people who indeed want to exist with their fellow citizens.

i think that it doesn't serve any purpose to build up this sort of hysteria about ok gentlemen let me jump in here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the political right stay with our. yes my name is daniel schmidt this is joining us on the phone we're here to make a short presentation about the we can fix project. the first. in the fourth day in three to get information out about the real world. player to hear more on i'm here. strictly who's the biggest. going to be on the

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stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into kinds a report on our keep. kicking. story. and. want to. welcome back to prosecute it all to mind you it was speaking about the rise of the right wing in europe. to try to keep. but first let's see what russians think about this issue a recent poll suggests the leader of france far right party entering the pen is heading next year's presidential race and the country the national front party is known for its enter semitic sentiments but one taking over the party marine le pen involved to caucus on the role of islam in france home to six million muslims

that's sparking problem if we don't make racial issues the russian public opinion was so absurd i asked moscow both what therefore it is should do to prevent tensions and conflicts between ethnic groups six to seven percent say registration and the rules for all of legal force should be strengthened thirty two percent claimed they should sever punishment and for hate speech twenty two percent believe authorities should avoid concentration of my grounds in particular areas eighteen percent see any extremist political and religious groups as a solution so lucian's might be found for different issues but will the return on the political right help resolve the immigration question peter. ok tell me if i can go to you in london a lot of people say in their view your critics there. the use of islam the use of. talking about islam and muslims is today in britain you're

a very came to what was said about the jews in the one nine hundred thirty scapegoating a group of people how do you respond to that. it's absolute nonsense always and around annoying things we're not scapegoating anyone all we're doing is hoyt and point out the problem and the problem is there for everyone to see the problem is an epidemic sweeping across this country and everyone knows it and that's why people want to bury their head in the sand its hands if the public feeling is not there everyone the english defense league is the one the biggest phenomenons to sweep this country ever there's a reason for that because people in these towns and cities like blue and not like x. are probably aware where it was from because i probably have a clue about islam in towns and cities and towns and cities at luton where there are problems in birmingham in bradford in leeds and in halifax everyone's been feeling the same we've had no voice we've had no one protecting us and i want to stand not standing up for us now in opposing this fascist or ideology that's masquerading as a religion that's walking across our country unchallenged and promote insure our

law promote in hatred promoting extremism promoting homophobia promoting only some some medicine all these different things are symptoms are coming from this religion and they need tackling and it's not racist to try and talk about and i'll not talk to so people when when organizations call far right what's far right about our organization that's how i tell the media how media and analysts look at europe as they should and others on the national front in a sense very be there and i know. all right i'm allowing you to express your opinion that's ok that's why we invited you into. ok and we're not if i could go to you a lot of scholars and their female scholars of islam they happen to be muslims themselves in the us in the u.k. and in continental europe have told me personally that for too long liberals in the west did bury their heads saying well we don't we want to be tolerant we want to be

tolerant so you just turn another will turn your turn your head away from it it's their business and a lot of people in the end there's a lot there's a large muslim community here in moscow and there are some people are saying well look you know we live here we have certain values it's the way we live our life and we expect you is guests and becoming citizens of this country the least pick up some of the basics and i think that's a fair thing to ask isn't it. absolutely i think we should stand up for the rights of all individuals and of course that includes individual women and we are concerned to recognize the rights of groups should never lead us to neglect the rights of individuals when large numbers of individuals form a group they want to practice their religion build a mosque whatever it is i mean those are also rights that people have and which we should respect so i think that we shouldn't confuse the two things tell me what you think about the enemy has already had you about recently hard to read so i find it

hard to respect when we've seen four documentaries recently in britain we've seen the islamic major asset schools we've seen what they're teaching in these islamic new trust schools the and the homophobia on how to respect that in any way we've seen a green line mosque undercover mosque documentary which showed them from now in hatred extremism in one of the beacon of moderation mosques in this country we've seen the east london mosque with islamic form of europe every time a mosque is exposed to an undercover documentary we see hatred and we see streams and so on personal fight very hard to respect any building of any more mosques and what's being promoted because there are laws being promoted in them and there's no governing body there's no moderation of any of these mosques at all at the moment and is out of control this is most applications going in left one center and until we solve the problem until we deal. with the. elements of this religion then i need to stop building this mosque you know not only it's very interesting and we'll do it i'm going to number of programs i'm an immigration on

in islam in europe in this and i'd like to address this to edward here is that it's not really the building of mosques per se meet in maybe coming in his friends would disagree but it's because europe itself is becoming less and less christian in and in our identities are not determined usually through our religious faith it's one of our identities but because of how our muslim people feel they are treated perception they're treated they can look the we treat intraday religion that's at least some interpretations out there i mean isn't that really different it's a secularization that we've experienced in europe. maybe partly that but i think all these things are generalizations the fact that there are many people in europe who are from muslim backgrounds but may not wish to be identified as muslims and there are others who say this is an important part of my identity and i think there are many who while they may not be particularly keen to draw

attention to themselves when they hear somebody talking the way tommy does about their religion and making out as if you know a few things that go on in a few mosques which have been given a great prominence in the media and it's like this one he's claiming that he is claiming that you are being silenced and you know this is an unheard voice and then you cite a series of documentaries that have been given prominent you have been been shown on the b.b.c. or wherever i think certainly some muslims do feel offended by that and they feel that they are being targeted and scapegoated that probably reinforces their islamic identity and maybe even i think it's a mistake they should be prepared to denounce anybody who's advocating violence or intolerance but they may be more reluctant to do so if it means that they're going to be associated with people who took great songwriters when you think about that i

mean people are attacked or staff go that they deal with naturally cherilyn word on their own identity that you're forcing it on them go right ahead remember remember the english defense league only been here for not even two years what happened before that no one forced anything no one now i'm saying anything against islamic people to pay for it and the problem was there you talk about muslims feel offended we're offended on a daily but i think that's rather hard to say i mean after all after. after the july bombings there was a great deal of anti muslim this speech as well as in the seventies i hope we had got past that. well look at why hasn't britain got past it then. well i think essentially the story go ahead and we're glad. it's it's i think it's a complicated set of questions but we're certainly not helped by media who go out

looking for minorities to blame and to encourage this kind of feeling i think that well some people who actually live in areas where there are muslims and who see them every day know that it's only a small minority of them that would advocate terrorism or. extreme versions of traditions which revolve the oppression of women and all that so i think it's it's the trouble is that most people are learning about it from the media and from people like tommy and they get very worried what's happening to the country and i think it's enormously exaggerated and it's not a healthy way to deal with it do you think about that i mean you're part of the problem not part of the solution. here that we're a symptom we are a symptom of the problem if you get down to the root cause of the problem and deal with it there would be no english defense league if you talk about small numbers and a handful of people ten thousand people attended his party his last time you rally in this country in london ten thousand people. are missing persons are there is

where you said. ok what relation a muslim. time here thirty seven thousand is really quite. purple ten thousand really i would appreciate the british national party how did an annual rally and make it and i guess thousand people they got two million so here's what he would have ten thousand people attend their rallies is thirty seven percent of british muslims when identified in a poll said they wish to show low in this country that's not small percent if free million people would utilize the area laws means. do you know what. all you are going i have to study because. there's one hundred one hundred course in this country the european court of human rights in three thousand and seven was it shariah law is incompatible with western democracy and freedom due to their views on homosexuals their views on women and their views on infidels so this is

a system that cannot have exaggerated lock your great enron was a time is the correct characterization go ahead edward. no because he's doing his jumping from he talks about sharia law which is an abstraction and then he talks about values so somebody might hear your he's almost every muslim will tell you he wants to follow the sharia which is the path of following the divine law i mean christians would say the same but it doesn't necessarily mean that you want to cut people's hands off or anything like that or a recipe a person who having their marriage law family law you know where if you two people get married they make a contract and you know they need to know what the terms of the contract are and so they will say you know we're having this marriage law. as tommy makes it sound all right i mean the real last where you got the second school had something they had twenty seconds where you defend it and it was defending sharia

law but we meaning the shoe a little course are treated unfairly when a fall for decades in this country for equal rights will allow in muslim british muslim women and women of our country not how allowing them to be punished russia soy and treat and i'm sorry you have to jump in here gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks my guest today in london and strasburg and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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