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alone and welcome to cross talk on peter lavelle they drift to the right all across europe and the us more and more people are giving the political rights a new look and more times than not it is the issue of immigration they golf and eyes as voters is the politics of intolerance coming into vogue. can. you discuss the growing appeal of the right wing i'm joined by tommy robinson in london he is the leader of the english defense league and in strasbourg we cross edward mortimer he's a senior vice president and chief program officer at the salzburg global seminar and another member of our crosstalk team still in the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk you both have difference of points of view i'd like to go to edward first instead aspart we had a poll that came out a few days ago that madame le pen is ahead in the polls for the presidential poll in france next year she's beating the president others will even say if they vote

were held now they would vote for her also if i go to mail online british publication here in the headline is half of britons would vote for far right parties if they gave up violence and if i could continue a total of forty eight percent said they would definitely support or consider supporting a party with such an agenda if it shunned violence and fascist imagery what is going on all across europe why do you get such a great appeal to the right and so dramatic. well i think there is no doubt that europe is feeling a lack of a sense of direction at the moment we haven't got very strong national leaders and we certainly haven't got very strong leaders at the european level we are suffering of course the aftereffects of the major economic crisis as you know the the euro has been under a lot of pressure particularly some countries close to defaults and having to make

very heavy cuts in government spending so i think that people are fed up and they're looking around for other people to blame and they're probably looking for something new and different and which sounds more decisive. of course you know one shouldn't prejudge too quickly what the results will be in real elections where governments are being chosen i think from that point of view the most significant so far is in the netherlands last year which has resulted in a government that is relying for supports on one of these far right parties but has not yet brought it in in most other countries they are still more or less at the margins of caltex ok tell me if i can go to you is your organisation is it more of a cd or d.v.d. attraction to your. group is it more of a protest or is it much more it'll die because we just even edwards a lot of people are having a lot of do you have

a lot of issues with the status quo that the european leaderships have not performed in the way people would have liked it were a street protest movement i believe a lot of people would wish must be a political organization but we're not we're a single issue organization who want to raise awareness and put pressure on the politicians are really there to deal with these problems and realise what we're living with and realise the effect that islam and islam islam is having on this country and in our everyday lives how we got three percent of the country to internet and seven percent on many issues and caution so much alarm distress and such a disturbance to the country when there's only three percent. and we think of our children's futures with thinking of our country's future we're thinking of our culture and we stand up for a way of life and i think that's what you see in across europe you see in across the world islam is causing war and wage more everywhere from one end of the planet the other people are realizing that people are realizing now this facade that islam is a religion of peace is absolute rubbish it's not a religion of peace never has been never will be and people are making

a stand now and speak out whereas in this country we've been been down for racist state by the previous government for fifteen years we've been walking on eggshells scared to say any think through fear of being branded a racist we've even seen the systematic rape of our youth one muslim gangs and the place knew it was turned on for twenty years and didn't do anything and the reason why was for fear of being called a racist they allowed rape through fear of being who raised his glass how big the problem was everyone was so scared and when we're breaking out to be with program there's a lot more to believe and it's a break we need to break into your place and system a treaty funding system but. only favors the islamic state and we're only so edward islam in mosul is being scapegoated here because of the me laser you mention it is a lazy you mentioned to beginning of the program. it's only what it sounds like to me i mean i have to admit that i am although i british i'm living outside britain

at the moment. i think i could reasonably close touch with the country i'm visiting it very frequently the idea that ninety seven percent of the population are being dominated by three percent it's simply got it's not recognizable to me at all i really don't know what he's talking about tommy you want to respond to that word can i already have your head where are you from and where are you from england edward. would you go up in the southwest which will simulate wasn't at all. which town is that it x r c you know nothing about exit growing up in within it was there you know nothing about growing up in a town that is played with a million is not you are talking about things that you read and things that you study you have no firsthand experience without being rude. in the hope they had and the heart of miller and his man in this country so i can speak more favorably in first hand on the fate that islam and is have in on us in our communities in our

towns on our youth on our future so i'm talking about experience not what i've read and not yourself so you can see it in a foreign country which you are trying to tell us how it is in england on telling you how it is in the town i grew up in the town i live in the tower love is our town and it is plagued with a disease again. it's quite fashionable today does say that multiculturalism is failed in europe we've heard the german chancellor said and i just said it's fashionable we've heard cameron the british prime minister say the same thing i mean is it is it it's fashionable because it's not getting the results that people want or it's people at the politicians are afraid of the voters and we also we have a case of that because the that is looking for reelection a glimmer under a lot of pressure in local and regional elections i mean what is the connection between the two you said this is more of a political move to say it's failed. well i think it is a good deal of that i think merkel said that because of the popularity of this book

by sarrazin you probably know about it which shows that germany is abolishing itself and will become a completely muslim country by the end of the century which has been surprisingly popular so i think that has had an effect on mainstream politicians but i did i think they often don't define very clearly what they mean by multiculturalism when they say that it's failed i mean something has failed because obviously there are parts of our cities and may well be one of them where you have something like mostly i'm guessing or parallel societies and if that is the result of multiculturalism then obviously it's failed but i think there may be other ways that one could interpret multiculturalism and i would hope that it would mean bringing people of different culture and religion together helping them to understand each other and to do things together and build a better country and i know many muslims in britain who are trying to do that and

who are not at all like the ones that tommy is talking about so i think he should not be a bit careful about generalizing and blackening a whole religion and all people who follow it on the basis of some specific incidents tell me what do you say about that is that a lot of people say about individuals like yourself and your group is that you just like to make a big huge blanket around a group of people that are extremely nuanced there may be from different generations coming from different places and the only thing that they have in common is their faith go ahead already had you talk about you talk about her in a blanket over something totally fast what these politicians are doing when they say no reasons failed because it hasn't. failed islam is found in britain is found in europe is failing everywhere now cultures and hasn't put in a blanket. in the problem and so that it doesn't actually directly say who the problem are the problem is these are. religion the problem is the islamic faith is not more occultism because as an insult to sikhism hinduism judaism is an insult to

the west indian community of this country is an insult to the irish community or the different communities that comes this country embraced it and integrate fully is only and only the islamic community who found to do that and that's not our fault we can't blame our social can't be ourselves the problem lies there in their community and not in ours they need to reform their religion in a way that they wish to live side by side they need to accept british law as the supremes law of this country they need to denounce sure roiled or stop calling for it stop calling for the spread of it stop asking for the implementation of it stop open sure our courts which are against human rights of women stop spreading islam is an across our country and until they reform their religion which isn't is for them to do we will continue highlighting these issues and we're not racist for doing that we just point out the problems which are there and then everyone in the world to see and their spirit in these problems not get in. or not talking about what's happening it means a whole lot and we are going to have to solve ok it is very interesting isn't it i

mean if i go to edward i mean well as we speak right now we have muslim people in the arab world fighting for their rights fighting for freedom spreading for some people would say democracy will see where it goes i mean it's it's kind of hard to kind of bring the two together if you say to one group of people one faith in one part of the world is one thing but when you have hundreds of millions of other people in another part of the world the muslim world that are fighting for their freedoms right now and a lot of people say that people in europe are walking away from those same freedoms by not been wanting to deny people that live there even citizens their rights. well i mean i think frankly it's ridiculous to. everybody you know there are probably a hundred i think a hundred million. maybe something like a billion muslims in the world you know and it's to say that they're all the same they're all militant jihadists or whatever and i mean this is ridiculous as it would be to say the same thing about all the christians i mean i think you know

there are a number of unpleasant groups in the world some of them may be muslim and some of them have other ideologies but i think that most muslims and certainly the ones i know law abiding people who are indeed wrong to exist with their fellow citizens and. i think that it doesn't serve any purpose to build up this sort of hysteria about ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the political right stayed with our king. cam. sports political elites we don't often even notice especially on the level of

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find people who mind you were speaking about the rise of the right wing in europe. but first let's see what russians think about this issue a recent poll suggests the leader of france far right party marine le pen is heading next year's presidential race in the country the front party is known for its end to semitic sentiments but one taking over the party of marine le pen to focus on the role of islam in france home to six million muslims sparking probe the debate on immigration issues and the russian public opinion research center asked muscovites thora to prevent tensions and conflicts between ethnic groups six to seven percent say registration and for rules for all of white labor force should

be strengthened thirty two percent claim they should sever punishment and for hate speech twenty two percent believe authorities should avoid concentration of like grounds in particular areas eighteen percent extremist political and religious groups as a solution so might be found for different patients but the return on the political right help resolve the immigration question. ok tell me if i can go to you in london a lot of people say in their be your critics that. the use of islam the use of. talking about islam and muslims is today in britain you're a very kin to what was said about the jews in the one nine hundred thirty scapegoating a group of people how do you respond to that. it's absolute nonsense i wasn't around annoying when i was scapegoating anyone all we're doing is highlighting and point out the problem and the problem is there for everyone to see the problem is

an epidemic sweeping across this country and everyone knows it and that's why people want to bury their head in the sand in its hands the fate that the public feeling is not there everyone the english defense league is the one the biggest phenomenons to sweep this country ever there's a reason for that because people in these towns and cities not loot and not like x. are probably where where it was from because they probably have a clue about islam in towns and cities and towns that is not lutheran where there are problems in burman in bradford in leeds and in halifax everyone's been feeling the same we've had no voice we've had no one protecting us and i want to stand not standing up for us and i want to pose in this fashion east or ideology that's masquerading as a religion let's walk across our country unchallenged and promote ensure our law promote in hatreds promoting extremism promoting homophobia promoting only some some mechanism all these different things are symptoms are coming from this religion and they need tackling and it's not racist if one talk about it and all i want to ask you is ok when when when when organizations call far right what's far

roy about our organization that's how it's all the media how media and analysts look at europe as nation and others the national front for the media there are now . all right i'm allowing you to express your opinion that's ok that's why we invited you into grogram and we're not if i could go to you a lot of scholars and there are female scholars of islam they happen to be muslims themselves in the us in the u.k. and in continental europe have told me personally that for too long liberals in the west did bury their heads saying well we don't we want to be tolerant we want to be tolerant so you just turn another way journey or a turn your head away from it it's their business and a lot of people in it and there's always a large muslim community here in moscow and there are some people are saying well look you know we live here we have certain values it's the way we live our life and we expect you is guests and becoming citizens of this country the least pick up

some of the basics and i think that's a fair thing to ask isn't it. absolutely i think we should stand up for the rights of all individuals and of course that includes individual when we are concerned to recognize the rights of groups should never lead us to neglect the rights of individuals when large numbers of individuals form a group they want to practice their religion build a mosque whatever it is i mean those are also rights that people have and which we should respect so i think that we shouldn't confuse the two things economy what do you think about i mean just great to hear you about resettling hard to read so i find it hard to respect when we've seen for documentaries recently in britain we've seen islamic metastasis rules we've seen what they're teaching in these islamic interest schools. homophobic often hard to suspect that in any way we're seeing the

green line mosque undercover mosque documentary which showed him from now in hatred extremism in one of the beacon of moderation mosques in this country we've seen the east london mosque with islamic form of europe every time a mosque is exposed to an undercover documentary we see hatred and we see extremism so all personal fight very hard to respect any there wouldn't be any more mosques and what's been for no it isn't because there are laws being promoted in them and there's no governing body there's no moderation of any of these mosques at all at the moment and it is out of control this business applications going in left right and center and until we solve the problem until we deal only here islam deals with the. elements of its religion then we need to stop building those mosques you know it's very interesting and we'll do it i don't know number of programs i'm an immigration on in islam in europe in this and i'd like to address this to edward here is it it's not really the do in the building of mosques per se me in maybe tommy and his friends we disagree but it's because europe itself is becoming less and less christian in and of our identities are not determined usually through our

religious faith it's one of our identities but because of it how are muslim people feel they are treated perception they're treated equal the retreat into their religion that's at least some interpretations out there i mean isn't that really different if the secularization that we've experienced in europe. maybe partly that but i think all these things are generalisations the fact that there are many people in europe who are from muslim background but may not wish to be identified as muslims and there are others who say this is an important part of my identity and i think there are many who while they may not be particularly keen to draw attention to themselves when they hear somebody talking the way tommy does about their religion and making out as if you know a few things that go on in a few mosques which have been given a great prominence in the media and instead of mosque you know this is what he's

claiming that he is claiming that you're being silenced you know this is an unheard voice and then you cite a series of documentaries that have been given prominent you have been been shown on the b.b.c. or wherever i think certainly some muslims do feel offended by that and they feel that they are being targeted and scapegoated that probably reinforces their islamic identity and maybe make them even think it's a mistake they should be prepared to denounce anybody who's advocating violence or intolerance but they may be more reluctant to do so if it means that they're going to be associated with people who talk the way tony does we think about that i mean really people are attacked or scaffolding and they could be would naturally cherilyn word on their own the identity that you're forcing it on then go right ahead remember remember the english defense league only been here for not even two years what happened before that no one forced anything no one now i'm saying

anything against islamic people to pay for it and the problem was there you talk about muslims feel offended we're offended on a daily i think that's rather hard to say i mean after all after. after the july bombings there was a great deal of anti muslim speech as well as in the seventies i don't know i hope we have got past that. ok why hasn't britain got past it ten. well i think so. go ahead edward go ahead. it's a i think it's a complicated set of questions but we're certainly not helped by media who go out looking for minorities to blame and encourage this kind of feeling i think that most people who actually live in areas where there are muslims and who see them every day know that it's only a small minority of them that would advocate terrorism or. extreme

versions traditions which revolve the oppression of women and all that i think it's it's the trouble is that most people are learning about it from the media and from people like tommy and they get very worried what's happening to the country and i think it's enormously exaggerated and it's not a healthy way to deal with it really think about that i mean you're part of the problem not part of the solution. here are here that we're a symptom we are a symptom of the problem if you get down to the root cause of the problem and deal with it there would be no english defense league is small talk about small numbers and a handful of people ten thousand people who attended his part to his last annual rally in this country in london ten thousand people. are missing most nations are there in you yet you said it was a population of mostly. come here thirty seven thousand is really quite. purple ten thousand really would appreciate the british national party how did an annual

rally and make it and i guess thousand people they got two million votes so his part here could have ten thousand people attend their rallies. thirty seven percent of british muslims when identified in a house that they wish to lure in this country that's not small percent if free million people who do you know of the jury a lot genes. do you know what. or yes i really do i mean i have to study video. there's one hundred one hundred courts in this country in the european court of human rights in two thousand and seven was it. always incompatible with western democracy and freedom huge their views on homosexuals they use on women and their views on infidels so this is a system that cannot i guess that you realize your great the rozzers time is the correct characterization go ahead edward. no because he's been he's jumping from he talks about sharia law which is an abstraction and then he talks about values who

you know if you're happy is almost every muslim will tell you he wants to follow the sharia which is the path of following the divine law i mean christians would say the same but it doesn't necessarily mean that you want to cut people's hands off or anything like that of a refugee a person who having their marriage law family law your way through to people get married they make a contract and you know they need to know what the terms of the contract or and so they will say you know we're having this marriage under sharia law. as tommy makes it sound all right coming leave you the last word twenty seconds go ahead tell me go ahead twenty seconds where you defend it and it was defending sharia law but we mean initially little courts are treated unfairly women are for decades in this country for equal rights we're not allowing muslim british muslim going in and women of our country not allow allowing them to be posh russia saw it and treat and we have to jump in here gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks my guest today

in london and strasburg and thanks for viewers from watching is here r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk. ok. still.

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