sure is that shame of jargon go right to the lottery winners the losers were trying to drift to the right across europe and the u.s. the one where people are given the political right and you look more times than not it is the. it's half past the hour i'm also a this is on t.v. the fuel rods at the second reactor of the fishing the nuclear power plants company in a fully exposed for over two hours leading to fears of a knelt down that summit reports that attempts to pull the reality you've seen into resembles. the human cost of the devastation in japan is being felt with almost towels and people confirmed dead following friday's a mega quake and tsunami rescue teams from several countries including russia are

helping search what estimated fifteen pounds are still missing. and in albany's what exactly is false is seemingly really gaining ground in the east of libya concerns grow over what's next if the leader condemns by the global community takes into the country in france again. we'll bring you more news on her power the top of the next hour not the next day i'll debate show cross-talk which people about talks about the rise of the rods in europe with the program that some of us may find upsetting. can. stand. alone in welcome to cross talk on peter lavelle to drift to the right all across europe and the us more and more people are giving the political rights

a new look and more times than not it is the issue of immigration they galvanizes voters it is the politics of intolerance coming into vogue. we can. start. to discuss the growing appeal of the right wing i'm joined by tommy robinson in london he is the leader of the english defense league and in strasbourg we crossed edward mortimer he's a senior vice president and chief program officer at the salzburg global seminar and another member of our crossfire team you know in the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk you both have differences of points of view i'd like to go to edward first in strasbourg we had a poll that came out a few days ago that madame le pen is ahead in the polls for the presidential poll in france next year she's beating the president others will even say if they vote were held now they would vote for her also if i go to mail online british

publication here on the ten headline is half of britons would vote for far right parties if they gave up violence and if i could continue a total of forty eight percent said they would definitely support or consider supporting a party with such an agenda if it shunned violence and fascist imagery what is going on all across europe why they have such a great appeal to the right and so dramatic. well i think that there's no doubt that europe is feeling a lack of a sense of direction at the moment we haven't got very strong national leaders and we certainly haven't got very strong leaders european level we are suffering of course the after effects of the major economic crisis as you know the euro has been under a lot of pressure particularly some countries close to the thoughts and having to make very heavy cuts in government spending so i think the people are fed up and

they're looking around for other people to blame and they're probably looking for something new and different and which sounds more decisive. and of course you know one shouldn't prejudge too quickly what the results will be in real elections where governments are being chosen i think from their point of view the most significant so far is in the netherlands last year which has resulted in a government that is relying for support on one of these far right parties but has not yet brought it in and most other countries they are still more or less at the margins of politics ok tell me if i'm going to you is your organization is it more or do you see the attraction to your. group is there more of a protest or is it much more easily that because we just even edwards a lot of people are having a lot of do you have a lot of issues with the status quo that the european leaderships have not performed in the way people would have liked in we're a street protest movement i believe a lot of people would wish for us to be

a political organization but we're not we're a single issue an observation who want to raise awareness and put pressure on the politicians are all in there to deal with these problems and realize what we are living with and we lost the faith of islam in islam islam is having on this country and on our everyday lives how we got three percent of the country into what seven percent on many issues and cause and so much alarm and distress and such disturbance to the country when there's only three percent. and we think of our children's futures we're thinking of our country's future we think of our culture and we stand up for wildlife and i think that's what you see in question europe you see in across the world islam is causing war and waging war everywhere from one into the plant the other people are realizing it people are realizing now this facade that islam is a religion of peace is absolute rubbish it's not a religion of peace never has been and never will be and people are making a stand now and speaking out whereas in this country we've been down to racist by the previous government for fifteen years we've been walking on eggshells scared to

say any think through fear of being branded a racist with even seen a systematic rape of our youth on muslim gangs and the place knew it was going on for twenty years and didn't do anything and the reason why was for fear of being called a racist they allowed rape for fear of being called a racist that's how big the problem was everyone was so scared and we're breaking out to be with you there's a lot more to believe we need to break we need to break into to place and system to to fund in system. overwhelmingly favors these men were along the side of edward islam in mosul is being scapegoated here because of the me lazy usage is i'm a lazy you mentioned at the beginning of the program. it's only what it sounds like to me. i have to admit that i am although i british i'm living outside britain at the moment but i'm i think i'm in reasonably close touch with the country i'm visiting it very frequently the idea that ninety seven percent of the population

are being dominated by three percent and simply go it's not recognizable to me at all i really don't know what is talking about. me want to respond to that word can i read your head where are you from and where you from in england edward. what i did run on and i was going to let you go up in the southwest which was to be either my rosily at all. which town is that it x. are so you know nothing about exit growing up in within it with their you know nothing about growing up in a town that is plagued with a million is not you are talking about things that you read and things that you study you have no firsthand experience without being rude or i've grown up in the hotbed and the heart of million is alone in this country so i can speak more fav been first hand on the effect that islam and what is happening on us in our communities and our towns on our youth and our future so i'm talking about experience not what i've read and what you sow so you can see in

a foreign country what you are trying to tell us how it is in england on telling you how it is in the town or in the town we live in that's how i love it's our town and it is plagued with a disease. it's quite fashionable today does say that multiculturalism is failed in europe we've heard the german chancellor said and i just said it's fashionable we've heard our cameron the british prime minister say the same thing i mean is it it is it is fashionable because it's not getting the results that people want or it's people at the politicians are afraid of the voters and we also we have a case of that because the that is looking at a reelection angle merkel's under a lot of pressure in local and regional elections i mean what is the connection between that use it this is more of a political move to say it's failed. well i think it is a good deal of that i think merkel said that because of the popularity of this book by. you know about it which shows that germany is

a polish in itself and will become a completely muslim country by the end of the century which has been surprisingly popular so i think that has had an effect on mainstream politicians but i did i think they often don't define very clearly what they mean by multiculturalism when they say that it's failed i mean something has failed because obviously there are parts of our cities and may well be one of them where you have something like muslim. or parallel societies and if that is the result of multiculturalism then obviously it's failed but i think there may be other ways that we could interpret multiculturalism and i would hope that it would mean bringing people of different culture and religion together and helping them to understand each other and to do things together and build a better country and i know many muslims in britain who are trying to do that and who are not at all like the ones that tommy is talking about so i think he should not be

a bit careful about generalizing of blackening whole religion and all the people who follow it it's on the basis of some specific incidents tell me when you say it out because there's a lot of people who say about individuals like yourself and your group is that you just like to make a big huge blanket around a group of people that are extremely new ones that are maybe from different generations coming from different places and the only thing that they have in common is their faith go ahead already had you talk about you talk about her in a blanket over something totally fast these politicians are doing when they say no no it isn't failed because it hasn't. is rumsfeld islam is found in britain is found in europe is failing everywhere now we hope prison has been put in a blanket brought in the problem and so that it doesn't actually directly say who the problem are the problem is islamic the. religion the problem is the islamic faith is not not in cultures and because as an insult to seekers in hinduism judaism is are it's an insult to the west indian community of this country it's an insult to the irish community or different communities that comes this country

embraced it and integrate fully it is only and only the islamic community who failed to do that and that's not our fault we can't blame ourselves who can't be ourselves the problem lies there in their community not in ours they need to reform their religion in a way that they wish to live side by side they need to accept british law as the supreme law of this country they need to denounce shariah law stop calling for it's not calling for the spread of it stop asking for the implementation of it stop open show our courts which are against human rights of women stop spread in islam is an across our country and until they be formed their religion which is and is for them to do we will continue to follow in these issues and we're not racist for doing that we just point out the problems which are there and they're there for everyone in the world to say and they're spreading these problems not in not in sort we're not talking about by not tackling it means a whole lot and we all know how to solve ok it is very interesting as can be very very good edward i mean well as we speak right now we have muslim people in the

arab world fighting for their rights fighting for freedom striving for some people would say democracy will see where it goes i mean it's kind of hard to kind of bring the two together if you say to one group of people one faith in one part of the world is one thing but when you have hundreds of millions of other people in another part of the world the muslim world that are fighting for their freedoms right now and a lot of people say that people in europe are walking away from those same freedoms like i've been wanting to deny people that live there even citizens their rights. well i mean i think frankly it's ridiculous to lump everybody you know there are probably a hundred i think a hundred million. maybe something like a billion muslims in the world you know it's nice to say that they're all the same they're all militant jihadi so whatever i mean this is ridiculous as it would be to say the same thing about all the christians i mean i think that i didn't say you know there are a number of unpleasant groups in the world some of them may be muslim and some of

them have other ideologies but i think there's most muslims and certainly the ones i know law abiding people who indeed want to exist with their fellow citizens and. i think that it doesn't serve any purpose to build up this sort of hysteria about ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the political right stayed with our king. is my name is daniel smith this is julian assange we're here to make a short presentation about the we can fix project. the first. in the fourth of you

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and. live. but first let's see what russians think about this issue that a recent poll suggests the leader of france far right thought in iran the pen is heading next year's presidential race in the country the national front thought is known for its end to semitic sentiments but one taking over the party marine le pen involved to focus on the. all of it's land in france home to six million muslims that's sparking incur the debate on immigration issues the russian public opinion research center asked muscovites what their photos should do to prevent tensions and conflicts between ethnic groups six to seven percent say registration and enter rules for all of a leg or force should be strengthened thirty two percent claimed they should sever punishment for hate speech twenty two percent believe authorities should avoid

concentration of right grounds in particular areas eighteen percent see any extremist political and religious groups as a solution so lucian's might be pound for different issues but will the return on the political right help resolve the immigration question peter. ok tell me if i can go to you in london a lot of people say in their view your critics there. the use of islam the use of. talking about islam and muslims is today in britain you're a very kin to what was said about the jews in the one nine hundred thirty s. keep goading a group of people how do you respond to that. it's absolute nonsense i wasn't around annoying we're not scapegoating anyone all we're doing is highlight and point out the problem and the problem is there for everyone to see the problem is an epidemic sweeping across this country and everyone knows it and that's why people want to bury their head in the sand its hands it fit the public feeling is not there everyone the english defense league has been one of the biggest

phenomenons to sweep this country ever there's a reason for that because people in these towns and cities like glue and not like x. are probably where where it was from because i believe i have a clue about islam in towns and cities and towns and cities that luton where there are problems in burman in bradford in leeds and in halifax everyone's been feeling the same we've had no voice we've had no one protecting us and i want to stand not standing up for us and i want to pose in this fascist or ideology that's masquerading as a religion that's walking across our country unchallenged and promote ensure our law promote in high trees promoting extremism promoting homophobia promoting our in some some matters and all these different things are symptoms are coming from this religion and they need tackling and it's not racist to try and talk about and i want to ask you sir peter when when when when organizations call far right what's far right about our organization that's how it's all the media and how media and analysts look at europe as nation and others the national front lines very clear

there i don't know much about russia but all right i'm allowing you to express your opinion that's ok that's why we invited you into the program and we're not if i could go to you a lot of scholars and there are female scholars of islam they happen to be muslims themselves in the us in the u.k. and in continental europe have told me personally that for too long liberals in the west did bury their heads saying well we don't we want to be tolerant we want to be tolerant so you just turn another way to turn your head away from it it's their business and a lot of people in it and there's a lot there's a large muslim community here in moscow and there well some people are saying well look you know we live here we have certain values it's the way we live our life and we expect you is guests and becoming citizens of this country the least pick up some of the basics and i think that's a fair thing to ask isn't it. absolutely i think we should stand up for the rights of all individuals and of course that includes individual when we are

concerned to recognize the rights of groups should never lead us to neglect the rights of individuals when large numbers of individuals form a group they want to practice their religion build a mosque whatever it is i mean those are also rights that people have and which we should respect so i think that we shouldn't confuse the two things economy what do you think about i mean just great to have you about recently hard to read so i find it hard to respect when we've seen for documentaries recently in britain we've seen the islamic majority schools we've seen what they're teaching in these islamic schools the and the homophobia of all how to respect that in any way we've seen the green line mosque under cover mastracchio them from now in hatred extremism in one of the beacon of moderation mosques in this country we've seen a london mosque with islamic form of europe every time a mosque is exposed to undercover documentary we see hate for the most extreme

islam so all persons find it very hard to suspect any building of any more mosques and was painful no it isn't because you are all being promoted in and and there's no governing body there's no motivation of any of these mosques at all at the moment and it's out of control this is not going in left right and center and until we solve the problem until we deal until islam deals with the. elements of its religion then i need to stop building these mosques you know it's very interesting and we'll do it i've done a number of programs i'm an immigration on in islam in europe in this and i'd like to address this to edward here is it it's not really the do in the building of mosques per se meet in maybe tommy and his friends we disagree but it's because europe itself is becoming less and less christian in and of it our identities are not determined usually through our religious faith or it's one of our identities but because of the tree how are muslim people feel they are treated perception they're treated equally the retreat into their religion that's at least some

interpretations out there i mean isn't that really different if the secularization that we've experienced in europe. it may be partly that but i think all these things are generalisations the fact that there are many people in your who are from muslim background but may not wish to be identified as muslims and there are others who say this is an important part of my identity and i think there are many who while they may not be particularly keen to draw attention to themselves when they hear somebody talking the way tommy does about their religion and making out as if you know a few things that go on in a few mosques which have been given a great prominence in the media and it's like an oscar this one had he's claiming that he is claiming that you're being silenced this is an unheard voice and then you cite a series of documentaries that have been given prominent. been shown on the b.b.c.

or wherever i think certainly some muslims do feel offended by that and they feel that they are being targeted and. that probably reinforces their islamic identity and maybe them even though i think it's a mistake they should be prepared to denounce anybody who's advocating violence or intolerance but they may be more reluctant to do so if it means that they're going to be associated with people who talk the way top leaders we think about that i mean if people are attacked there's definitely they could be would naturally cherilyn word on their own the identity that you're forcing it on think already ahead remember remember the english defense league only been here for not even two years what happened before that now unfortunately thing no one now i'm saying anything against islamic people to pay for it and the problem was there you talk about muslims feel offended we're offended on a daily by i think that's rather hard to say i mean after all after. after the july

bombings there was a great deal of anti muslim speech in the seventy's i don't i hope we have got past that. well ok good why hasn't britain got past it then. well i think it's actually a story go ahead edward. it's i think it's a complicated set of questions but we're certainly not helped by media who go out looking for minorities to blame and to encourage this kind of feeling i think that most people who actually live in areas where there are muslims and who see them every day know that it's only a small minority of them that would advocate terrorism or. extreme versions of traditions you know which revolve the oppression of women and although it's i think it's it the trouble is that most people are learning about it from the

media and from people like tommy. and they get very worried about what's happening to the country and i think it's enormously exaggerated and it's not a healthy way to deal with it do you think about that i mean you're part of the problem not part of the solution. here are here that we are a symptom we are a symptom of the problem if you get down to the root cause of the problem and deal with it there would be no english to fancy you talk about small numbers and a handful of people ten thousand people who attended his part to his last annual rally in this country in london ten thousand people. missing persons are there is you know yet you said it was a bit of a population of mostly. come here thirty seven thousand is really quite. purple ten thousand really would appreciate the british national party how did an annual rally and make it and make a thousand people they got two million votes so his spot here could have ten thousand people attend their rallies. thirty seven percent appreciation muslims when i can afford in a poll say they wish to show wallow in this country that's not small percent if

free million people who do little adversarial laws means. do you know what. well you know very well i mean i have to study because. there's one hundred one hundred courts in this country in the european court of human rights in two thousand and seven was it a shoot or shariah law is incompatible with western democracy and freedom due to their views on homosexuals their views on women and their views on infidels so this is a system that cannot appease and you realize the rosin this time is the correct characterization go ahead edward. no because he's been he's jumping from he talks about sharia law which is an abstraction and then he talks about their views. recently about you and your buddies almost every muslim will tell you he wants to follow the sharia which is the path of following the divine law i mean christians would say the same but it

doesn't necessarily mean that you want to cut people's hands off or anything like that a recipe a person who had a name marriage law family law you know where he through to people get married it's they make a contract and you know they need to know what the terms of the contract or and so they will say you know we're having this marriage law. so he makes it sound our economy the last twenty twenty seconds go ahead tell me go ahead twenty seconds where you defend it and it was defending sharia law but we mean in the courts are treated unfairly women a fool for decades in this country for equal rights we're not allowing muslim british muslim women or women of our country not allow allowing them to be posh russia soil and treat and i'm sorry to have to jump in here gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks my guest today in london and strasburg and thanks for viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crossed.

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