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hello again a welcome to spotlight the interview show on heart i'll bring up in today my guest on the show is called of the u.n. security council at dartford a resolution allowing the use of force to protect libyan civilians from their own leadership headed by mark. the international coalition is that bombing the military infrastructure belonging to look after force but as in any conflict it's civilians who suffer so what is the humanitarian situation in the water country now here's a director of the un office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs in geneva currently focusing on libya but i should highlight. the un mandated operation in libya air strikes without direct intervention but even this

has been criticized by many arab countries and by some members of the un security council itself their argument is the strikes have caused civilian casualties and that the situation is deteriorating according to the statistics of the un office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs with three hundred thousand people have fled the country since the civil war began the lack of basics in the country and a damaged infrastructure would cause a humanitarian catastrophe. in a welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us. thank you very much good morning i'm happy to be with you well first of all you are in geneva today but most of you you just came back from cairo where most of your staff is situated today why in cairo why not in libya itself. united nations evacuated all international staff from the end of february. because of

security concerns there are certain internal protocols that require united nations staff to be out of the country and this is what happened at the end of february in cairo just because the communications are good there and we have a regional office in cairo it's temporary think. i don't know how long it will last . how it is today but as far as i understand the international committee of the red cross returned to vend ghazi to resume its humanitarian work are you planning to follow the street international committee of the red cross had been in the eastern part of the country. the united nations launched the needs assessment to eastern part of the country including benghazi that took place maybe a few weeks ago. of course we are considering all options however for the united nations to be back in any part of libya you have to do first of the security

assessment which is being prepared now and of course we have to go and see with our own eyes because there is no international presence inside the country that's why information that is coming from various sources or second of sort of. visit to the egypt libyan border recently where you obtained first time in accounts from people fleeing the violence what's your impression is there a risk of a major human tarion catastrophe. i i think we have to be prepared for all eventualities we have to monitor the situation very closely. the more than three hundred twenty thousand people cross the borders of libya with tunisia egypt i'll gie area. and sudan mostly it's two countries egypt and tunisia and they get local and central authorities of these governments who are

extremely cooperative and generous hosting migrant workers from their own countries as well as. national so the third countries that then were for then they left their temporary places where they found themselves on the tunisian and egyptian side of the border most of them left. you know they want humanitarian catastrophe is something that describes something of enormous proportion which has not happened yet in classical terms however we are extremely concerned about the situation of civilians who find themselves in the middle of crossfire inside libya well the latest u.n. report says that more than a thousand people remain standard at the libyan borders with tunisia and egypt are they still there and why is this happening. i did not know anything about people being stranded with the only egyptians gyptian border

with libya i think the border crossing in salome's opened for the libyan side and it's not much difficulty to to enter the country from egyptian side. and i don't have their most recent figures but they went down to about two three thousand people a day more than fifty percent of them are libyans i know that it was much more difficult on the western side of the border that the government. is not encouraging people to leave the country anymore in a sense that people got stranded there but i could not verify this information because if anything happens it happens inside libya where we do not have international presence can you tell us how has the number of refugees changed and has it changed since the international coalition forces started their strike against libyan government forces. you know first i wanted to clarify who are if you

g.'s and migrant workers and where it's a huge difference in legal terms and in legal status of these people and one has to take this into consideration i would say that number overly beenz. is a majority who cross the border with egypt. was probably steadily increasing they were in the majority for the last ten days or so there was quite a number quite a serious increase. that happened on saturday however one has to take into account that most of the people were coming from areas around the bia and benghazi which is. probably around six hundred plus kilometers of drive so the numbers that show up on the border have any more impact of the developments inside this these places and one can see that the libyans are coming

because they flee as they feel in secure and physically unsafe in these places. mr holic of most of the refugees from libya came to tunisia and egypt and small the number found refuge in a legendary nigeria and so there are all these refugees receiving the assistance from the international community are you monitoring this situation so we have one thing situation very clearly i wanted to clarify again that they're not necessarily refugees they're migrant ignored her sweetheart and this is. the man in the working age mostly that is very different from the normal group of refugees that includes quite a big proportion of women and children and elderly. there mostly men of the working age i would not say hundred percent because they. no such i

think. and they are nationals of tunisia and egypt as well as nationals of the third countries and internationalization for migration and the office of the high commissioner for refugees the it fantastic job together with governments of two countries of egypt and tunisia as well as countries of origin of these people to help them to go back to their own countries which they didn't known instances on the saloon crossing the border crossing point in north and egypt they are still lost to sow the chaldeans. stranded there who are living in a very difficult conditions and i think efforts were made by or are made by internationalization immigration and the office of the high commission for refugees together with the government of child to help them to go back to their country of what age and what are the conditions of the refugees and migrants i'll be careful

camps in the countries neighboring with libya. the assistance is provided to them in terms of. food and water some shelter materials will shift in. there one has to take into account that both cover months wanted to avoid the situation that it is long term and migrant workers wanted to continue to their places of origin as quickly as possible some of them do not have travel documents so embassies of their countries have to help out the international organizations who are working on the evacuation of these people so that they will be on the plane with their travel documents and will not be having any problem when they arrive to their countries of origin and unfortunately takes time and also these are places that are not necessarily very close to. two. border crossing points so you have to find. planes that will. ensure the

existence of a bridge and it takes time. how heavy is the burden of those migrants and refugees for the governments of egypt and tunisia don't they themselves need international assistance. i would say that both governments their authorities in capitals and local authorities were showing example to the rest of the world how you deal with a situation when it's not easy for yourselves internally but they were very generous very hospitable and. i could see only one case in siloam but they got reports from tunisian side of the border that the local communities were also very generous in supporting those who had to flee because of insecurity and of course their concerns that. that these governments have.

a presence so for forty years on their soil so close or even those who do not belong to local communities because they would create additional strain to social services or local communities and also create a quite a huge strain for local authorities however they're managing so far and the international community is there to help says he's in contact with our studio from geneva switzerland spotlighted will be back in a moment stay with us. in canada and the u.s. that it is legal for you to get a bubble bath and your baby it contains a known carcinogen something that causes cancer most of the chances are not independent. counsel in fact in this day and most of the time they've done that

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discover deeply hidden secrets. they are seeking to. find. and even. talking to god. from the. underground. welcome back to spotlight i'm going off in just a reminder that my guest today on the show is. the director of the u.n. office for the carbonation of humanitarian affairs in geneva he's currently focusing on libya he and the staff affairs office that situated that situated hiero

because there are problems accessing libya itself for united nations organization we have been discussing the situation with the refugees and migrants of the humanitarian situation and mr minister holic of you have mentioned the nationals the migrants. their loss the workers the people who were who were living and working and living and now they're fleeing well the numb libyan refugees from rich countries have been helped out by their governments but the people from poor nations like for example bungler dashes were abandoned what's happening to them now are they able to return to their homeland. i cannot say that all of them have been returned by this issue of the returning. nationals of asia and the subsequent african countries has been addressed urgently the flights

have been arranged by the office of the high commissioner for refugees and internationalization for migration and may be in the river so there. however some of them are still in the. areas close to the border on the egyptian side intermissions side and i would say that situation maybe not as critical as it had been ten fifteen days ago. they are moving out and every effort has been made to help them to move out and charter planes at some point it was a feeling that the commercial planes will be enough after missing for recreation that took place however now i understand that the internationalization for migration and office for. office of high commissioner for refugees are again chartering flights chattering planes to ensure that they will be able to evacuate people from the better side. well and most of the foreign workers who have to leave

libya these days they are from areas with severe unemployment situation so there is an interesting maybe an interesting twist to this problem how will the return of these people change the social situation in their own countries of course it is a source of great concern that they're returning many of the migrant workers are returning to the areas. which do not have high developed social services and that we have quite serious. seriously high rates of unemployment and also one has to take into account that the their families or their friends or whoever they're supporting also. the last source of income was since this migrant workers had to leave. leave them. that is creating various situations

in the countries of origin of these migrant workers and the united nations is working closely with the governments and provincial local authorities to see what impact it will have and how it can be addressed this specific situations at the same time one has to be there in mind the attitude of the local communities so that we will not on the going to use them singling out some of the people who returned and while the international community was not helping the local community in the first place started all of a sudden very much concern about the situation there when there was an influx of migrant workers so it is a very delicate issue and some started several really taken place in egypt i'm sure they have taken place in other in other countries as well the e.u. countries are seriously concerned about the possibility of existence from libya especially the allianz are there justified grounds for sanctions. i cannot say that the grounds are justified or not because seriously the

situation is very fluid and very unpredictable and that is one of the main features of the situation that. change so quickly that it's difficult to plan in advance for more than a day or two. of course europe is very close to libya and a lot of people came from africa according to some reports and waiting for an opportunity to go as refugees to european countries or asylum seekers it has not happened yet in huge numbers whether it will happen or not very difficult to say. some conditions have to fall in place to allow this to happen which again has not happened yet can you tell us if somebody in libya inside libya is somebody there impeding the u.n. humanitarian organization from carrying out your duties there are

a number of things that have to be addressed one is for united nations humanitarian organizations to perform their duties to implement their mandates it's absolutely critical to have free and unimpeded access to various parts of the countries how they and see with their own eyes suffering of civilians so that they will be able to design their response appropriately and that should be based on the needs of the affected population. there is active warfare taking place in some parts of the country. and that's why it's it's. something that has to be addressed also there are some reports about civilian suffering in some parts of the country that has to be verified and assistance has to be provided to these people and protection has to be provided to these people because civilians actually are not trained to leave in the as owns of

conflict and makes a serious psychological trauma to them and they do not go into the streets they stay at home and many other things may happen and economic and social functioning all of this system is also disrupted by the ongoing conflict that has to be addressed i would say that it in that sense humanitarian organizations feel very very much restricted in and the possibility of their performance inside libya and i should do you in geneva have any information on the numbers of casualties resulting from the has timothy's between the afghan forces and the rebels because maybe because the numbers we get here in moscow are different a lot depending on the source. i would not go into speculation about numbers because it's secondhand information and whatever the u.n. says about the number said then becomes incredibly formal and. as if

information is very fight where very much concern that ongoing conflict doesn't respect the need to protect civilians and we wanted to. make sure that civilians are not affected by this therefore any use of force as a means to find a political solution to the problem is the price that civilians used to pay and we are as committed in relation to the u.n. very much against it ok but can we be sure at least that the people wounded in libya that the people that are suffering are getting access to adequate medical support. i don't think we can be sure of anything at this point because as i told you the information we received is second or third hand it's very difficult to verify. and this information is coming. from politically sometimes politically motivated forces so i don't think we can be sure

of anything apart from the fact that civilian population is suffering. how heavy is the destruction of destruction of houses destruction of infrastructure his other cities where people are living with sibelius are still living today despite the war are they still livable but this again as i told you we have no international presence and we have to be very mindful of the national staff of the united nations organizations in in libya we should not put them on harm's way and i think that is . very consciously made decision there are some reports about the damage that was made to some of my houses and buildings in the towns where. active warfare took place and you know when active military conflict takes place between the rebels and the government it's always something

that makes an impact on civilian population and this is what happened to reduce so that civilian population will have access to protection and to ford and trails and other services that have to be provided to the population anyway. the original flash appeal for the libyan crisis which requested more than one hundred sixty million dollars is sixty two point four percent funded so far how soon will it be funded completely and who are the main their neighbors. i'm not able to say when it will be fully funded and normally flesh appeals are issued to within three to five days after a disaster takes place or after requirements. recognised as being overwhelmingly big. i would say that so far at least two organizations

internationalization for migration and office of the high commissioner for refugees are saying that the funding that was put in the bill a quest for funding. is is made quite generously however it appears that they will need more money to. help people one would say that the flesh appeal was based on the scenario four hundred thousand people crossing the border as i told you more than three hundred twenty thousand already did so and it was also based on the assumption that they may be internal displacement of up to six hundred thousand people which i am not sure we have anybody feibel information to confirm that internal displacement is taking place in any large scale thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest on the show today was. director of the u.n. office for the coronation of humanitarian affairs in geneva currently focusing on

libya and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight will be back with more until then stay and r.t. and take a. on .

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