speech. to. the future. fresh air strikes in libya as nato is now in command of the no fly zone so will this delay the sunset operation odyssey dawn. twenty eleven may be the year of protest and we can now add jordan and syria to the already long list so we're connecting all these countries and how is it spreading so that's the worst hell and that's why you only go to war when some absolute interest to your national security the pentagon fell that the media mainstream media advertises it and the public buys it but you people have buyer's remorse when

it comes to the wars. and it's been asked before how did we not see the economic collapse coming i want to speak with a man who says he's got the answer and it all comes down to capitalism and what we don't know about it. is friday march twenty fifth four pm in washington d.c. i'm christine freeze out there watching our team. well start off with the situation in libya where after six days of intense negotiations among its member states nato has agreed to assume control of the no fly zone there this was of course the authorized first by the u.n. security council resolution one nine hundred seventy three and is known as operation odyssey dawn over the last day western warplanes have continued air strikes and in the libyan capital of tripoli reports say that more than one hundred

people have been killed are also there is in tripoli and brings us an inside look. this is the proof of civilians being injured and killed in coalition in strikes we've driven more than forty minutes to see the remains of a rocket and some glass in a building window where the father says he was very lucky that his family was not at home forgive us for being a little bit suspicious but certainly here the pressure is on for the government to try and show the international community that indeed its claims that more than one hundred civilians have been killed are true and we attended eight mass funeral for more than fifty times when it was found we were told that inside we should really and the government spokesperson later did admit that it was possible that some of the bodies of. the chefs preaching at their single position say that all libyans are fighters so take the question in terms of what is the difference here between a fighter and a civilian power journalist went to visit a hospital where there where more than a dozen bodies were charred beyond recognition and presented also as proof that

these is tribes are killing civilians there are rumors here in the capital city the bodies are being brought in from added areas that there is intensive fighting and being presented to the foreign media as proof again that civilians are the targets and are the collateral damage in these is strikes the reaction on the ground in terms of the announcement that nato now will be in charge of enforcing this no fly zone is rather mixed the average rebel fighter actually doesn't care he just wants to see more weapons he wants to see more air strikes but the opposition leadership is a bit concerned they do understand that when you have more powers calling the shots you run the risk of one of them being able to veto any future operation a lot easier for the united states and canada to take this operation forward than european powers which have domestic issues they need to consider such as migration here in the capital city this situation is very very tense friday chris always a focal point security downtown has been stepped up in fear that it could be

massive given stray sions overnight there were is strikes in the east in the west of the city targeting military barracks in the. if feels at the same time it was a lot of crossed gunfire over the capital city so indeed the situation tense people angry and most just fearing what the next few days and weeks can bring. tripoli many world leaders of course keeping their eyes on this crisis and last night president obama and russian president medvedev had a conversation about this with the interesting though is what each of the two administrations say went on in that conversation present mood video of staff said that they talked severely about the need to avoid civilian casualties and to reach the objectives of the u.n. resolution now president obama's readout of the conversation said they talked about the middle east and about missile defense well it's not just libya of course the violence is spreading throughout the middle east reports from syria detail troops opening fire on protesters in several cities with pro and anti-government crowds

clashing in the streets this is happening in bahrain jordan and yemen as well. as in hartford connecticut he's a professor and director of international studies at trinity college. hey there every day we will go to libya in a moment but first i want to talk about these other countries really interesting when you look from socialist type of government to an absolute monarchy to sort of tribal form of government we see so many similarities though in the way some of these uprisings are being carried out what do you think is the threat here that weaves these nations together. some of this is simply different looking. being brought together by a contagion you know once tunisia to please it inspired people in other countries to bring up big greedy and says to good towards publics i mean that's one of the main things nobody's talked about is each of the capital cities has a public square where people can gather you know if you are in your or the united

states where public spaces have declined will not appreciate how important he square was for cairo the ability to occupy a place that is central to the city and has symbolic meaning so there was a grammar set up by the protestors early from from tunisia that has been followed but it must be kept in mind that in each of these contexts these situations. the grievances different in behind in the grievances are separate from the grievances in syria and certainly the conflict in libya is i believe different certainly utterly different but your take on why you know the u.s. has chosen you know the u.s. the u.n. nato has chosen libya to focus on and avoided these other countries narain jan and now syria libya was the most convenient country to focus attention on because libya's only leadership has

a really checkered history with the west on the other hand how to. have a very intimate close relationship with the west it was unlikely that there was going to be any attempt to take out any of the leadership in fact the intervention in bahrain was the opposite of the intervention in libya there has been an intervention in bahrain it has come from saudi arabia's troops and they're coming to defend the regime the thread that is libya to behead in is in a sense the old thread which is oil and power will be. conservatives are going to remain in power the west has defended them so in the case of libya the erratic leadership book that i feel is on list threaten the west and indeed years threaten their own people but apart from that the west has long looked for a conservative force to come in and libya on its behalf conservatively not that

after he has tried to govern on behalf of the west recently but very erratic whereas in behind it and in yemen there's going to be a very stable transfer of power once again they will leave but the authorities in structure will remain a common thread here is oil and power you know here in washington we've been hearing a lot of cries lately especially since president obama has returned from his trip to latin america cries asking him to sort of be more specific outlining the strategy what do you think the day that you know nato and the u.s. is going to find in libya what do you think the result is going to be the first thing people need to understand is resolution one thousand nine hundred ninety three passed on march nineteenth is a very very big resolution it is not specific at all. this comes from the following problem which the african command of the united states military has discovered it's supposed to be an area not fly zone established to protect civilians on the other

hand as general ham of the african command has demonstrated it's very hard to build the difference between protecting civilians and for taping the rebels so is the united states and french nor fly zone intended to give air support to the rebels in their war against gadhafi is troops or is it to simply predicts civilians lie detail why is it hard to tell the difference here well police say they are not wearing uniforms the rebel army as they wouldn't i mean they have not had time to you know contract. healers and good new uniforms mean so they're direct their group their lives new civilians were big enough arms and become a rebel force so from a cockpit it's very hard to tell whether that obvious troop saying gaging rebels or whether they engage in similarly and when i was in a briefing room in stuttgart or in washington d.c. it's easy to say well we're defending syrians not rebels but by the looks it's not

that easy to do so in a sense what illusion one thousand seven hundred three has produced is an ambiguous situation where need two forces will and now french and american forces are essentially providing the rebels that is to say they have become part of the civil war and that's why different from the un's obligation to protect civilians which is the initial approach into resolution one thousand seven hundred three certainly i think an important part of this whole picture for people to understand a lot of the details and strategy still murky here professor and director of international studies at trinity college thank you so of course a lot of confusion about what's going on but i do expect in the next few days it will be quite a bit of selling the action in libya to the american public by some of our highest leaders more and more this is part of the strategy of the mission itself artie's more or less or takes a look at how this is continually done and what exactly comes out of it. the

reality of war and war is hell and that's why you only go to war when it's an absolute interest to your national security it's one reason why i coalition forces do battle with an information war to fight alongside the real one playing out on the ground in afghanistan for example so what's not widely known by these milestone the longest word american history we have surpassed the soviet campaign there we have spent hundreds and exceptional amount of money but instead carries this message good morning afghanistan welcome to the new game of hope and reconstruction in the war torn region which accommodates conflict with loans for peace that's the nato version told in this promotional film it was given to international journalists like myself at the annual nato summit presumably to spread the message public relations after it's like these are nothing new and commander of the nato forces the united states spends billions of dollars alone to market its version of

the war to the world including p.r. at home and abroad u.s. funded media as well as psychological operations for example a leaked classified cia document revealed a plan for ally it's a quote strategic communication program across nato troop contributors that taps into the key concerns of specific western european audiences that could provide a buffer if apathy becomes opposition to fight declining public support for the war from france and germany as a young girl she recalls the day when the taliban will go into telecon talk to tank her hosts and could watch on her family and her need with us the cia tapped afghan women as the perfect messenger to make an emotional appeal about the taliban and professed their aspirations for the future as this woman does here. some media picked up on this message to hear time mad. dean equates pulling out u.s.

troops from afghanistan with brutality against women however the thing to remember about this poor girl this happened while he was troops were there and some like feminist writer jill ditch argues these p.r. tactics are an assault on women true i think it absolutely exploits the women's issue and explains women's use purely to advance u.s. foreign policy objectives they certainly weren't interested in women's rights in that region before it became strategically important to them in this so-called war on terror. and it's not clear efforts like this even work it's absolutely impossible to tell but i would be willing to suggest that. it's very ineffective and maybe u.s. defense secretary robert gates would agree as his recent closed door nato speech can attest he's now resorting to scolding allies for getting ready to abandon the war i mean while hillary clinton says the u.s.

is losing when it comes to broadcasting its message abroad on state funded t.v. station on the street unfortunately we are paying a big price for it even though the u.s. is spent one billion dollars alone to broadcast its message to the arab world where it's at war through the state news network. the network has locked in just happen percent of the worship. all showing perhaps you can't sell a war welcome to the new days unless you have a buyer lauren mr r.t. your. ayers needed especially at this time and evidence here that even the pentagon needs a top notch p.r. campaign and as we've seen throughout history losing support by the public can and has had prayed dire effects on the path to war takes now you saw him in the report of a jailbird so is also here in studio he's a military analyst and also an r.c. blogger and you want to talk about this idea of selling the message you know. as an

american led involvement anywhere public support is important so why is this a bad thing well it's a bad way it's a bad thing i think because if it's contrary to the interest of the american people because the pentagon is paid to make war that's why we hire the pentagon and pay them billion dollars because the pentagon makes war politicians and schools are the ones to bring peace and the american people are supposed to be asked their opinion in this republic in this democracy so that's why it's a problem if it's contrary to the will desire of the people then it should be said no to i want to bring let me libya into this we're starting to learn a little bit more each day about what's going on there there's some reports coming in that says that one of the things that the u.s. military is doing is using these psyops unproductive soldiers to try to change their mind about him psyops of course came up big in discussion that article in rolling stone by michael hastings that one of the top officials there lying to you silence on u.s. senators visiting afghanistan to talk about all of this and this technique that's

used and why it could be done it could be not beneficial sir was specifically in libya the the rebel forces don't have any training military people they have no trained fighters the khadafy government those forces are well trained and they have not interacted whatsoever society u.s. interventions and no one has made the press but we have had u.s. troops on the ground there has been u.s. marines just yesterday on the ground in libya in libya absolutely yeah i mean there's unclassified documents that came out through a number of different press sources are we. the bunch of media there we have i haven't seen any of the media reporting on these a.b.c. affiliate newburn reported yesterday the twenty sixth marine expeditionary unit. their p.r. people produced a story just yesterday it's on it's on and on his blog. so we have had u.s. troops on the ground and there have been working and there's probably only a which is special operations working with them within the libyan forces as well to

try to get them to defect because if there's no military leaders defected from libya there's no way that the the rise of the rebels can fight off is just there's just no way sir going to have long term battles and this is bad for us because the longer that there's the qaddafi stays in power the worse off it is for nato and for the united states because we will end up getting bogged down in this none on the other about u.s. lawmakers psyops does it pose a problem because our lawmakers need to have objectives they need to have look at their electorate and say do we need to be there and the electorate largely their opinion has been given to them by their leader the leader or says not the people and so that's where the the big disconnect is certainly it's a difficult choice to go for that we think these generals and they want to protect their guys they just wanted to get more guys there more troops then and i know one of the quotes that kind of sticks out with how do we get into their heads how do we get into their lawmakers heads but let's move across the middle east

a little more what's going on in syria right now certainly a huge concern lots of violence when we talk about the message you seem to think we're talking a little bit before the show you seem to think that it this is not just going to be there's going to be a lot more messages that are going to need to be sold to the american people yeah i mean this is going to be really problematic if you look at it take place in syria it's becoming sectarian now we've got shiites moving of damascus that have never been there before nobody would have ever thought this would go on it's getting incredibly bad in syria i mean at exactly hyperextended rate in yemen and i think that that government. libya that government will fall syria that government will fall as well and i mean the government will fall as well but where does the u.s. and nato fit into well you're going to see you're going to see u.s. forces the pentagon right now in my opinion would be putting together pipe strands of plans and strategies for how to secure saudi arabian oil fields in the future because it's this this uprising is not going to go on if you look at what takes place every five hundred years the abrahamic faiths judaism christianity islam they

go through big rummage sales and right now the the islamic world has is in a tri part civil war between theocrats which would be. al-qaeda types very extreme muslims and then you have the secularist libert liberals like saddam hussein could offie others and then you have young people globalized young people that are more liberal but they still want to be working and want to participate their country there's a tribe called civil war across the arab world within these groups and they're having that rummage sale very interesting there is how military analyst in our team bonner as always thanks for weighing in and have breaking it down for us if you. the economic collapse of two thousand and eight and was it in fact the collapse or implosion of the economy or was it the slow erosion and series of smaller events that led to ultimately well an avalanche while financial pundits and talking heads seem shocked some economists say we as americans were in part in the wrong question

and also in part we weren't getting the full answers about what was going on behind the scenes i'm joined now by hodgman chang icon of us from south korea who teaches that came cambridge university in england and really you know a fascinating book here things they don't have twenty three things they don't tell you about capitalism so many interesting concepts but nothing too complicated i don't want to say you have any rocket science ideas you just connected some dots that a lot of people have got so my question to you is who is gay and what are the most important things that they didn't tell us was a very easily these free market economy which are towards the war and indeed they had a little boy influence or another things were done in. he told the world we need to free the markets more we need to. feel good about things like

income inequality but the markets of the world india and we would be richer and i remember hearing phrases like trickle down economy things that you know if the wealthiest have the money it will trickle down and everyone will sort of get a part i don't you argue that there's no such thing as a free market and there are some things i think you make a good point that we overlook there are child labor laws there are environmental regulations things that at first people protest there are rules in place why do you think this is important the concept of free trade and free market need to really be delved into well you know we have to realise that all markets are a lot of religions propping them up. who. can trade what can be traded how they can be treated but we don't see many of these regulations because we have come to accept these regulars and so much you know and two hundred years ago a lot of people thought it was a perfectly legitimate to buy and sell people as slaves and i mean a hundred years ago a lot of children a working and people who thought this was

a part of the free colony and that these children want to work these people want to improve and there is no problem there but over time we have come to a change of values and have introduced these regulators now we are kept these values march that we don't see the things as regulations but you make this argument because you're trying to say there should be some more good regulations and you just want people to realize that there are already are some in place my point is actually about control my point is that you know free market equal is often tell us that. regulators pale pause are politically motivated the fear is this is scientifically define the free market system where is the truth no it's not like that i mean he'll put you just as. political as our positions are so if these people are not actually you cannot have more environmental regulation because it goes against the principle of free market why

dioceses actually is not clear what the principle of free market is i think is interesting too another one of your really strong arguments when we talk about different countries and how far they've come in the state of their economies you argue that the companies with sort of the smaller income gaps between the rich and the poor are the ones that have a more highly regulated immigration system and i think this is a really interesting concept about this yes i mean a study of how we should see these. income inequalities not. i mean. i mean twenty extent that we need to motivate people and give incentive and so on but you know how do you justify the kind of increase in income inequality that you have in the united states today i mean brazil today i mean from inequalities that become dysfunctional so first of all what is important to accept is that this is nothing natural or you can correct it in another countries or

corrected through the use of the welfare state and in. countries where people will feel a state you might think there are too many taxes people don't want to invest and so on but actually. it is actually make people more open to changes because people have a safety net in america you lose a job you don't even have money to go to your start. in countries that are paid to intrastate people not only get some minimum standard of living they can get retrained for another job and also paradoxically actually there's much less pressure for protection in. the scandinavian countries than in america but just staying with this topic of your argument about immigration i mean you just called what's happening in the united states discussion or is that because

we have too many illegal immigrants and other people working for the lower. welfare wages is that what's going on well that's our part of the story but the american people problem is that the. managers are overpaid you know i mean. on recommend he just get paid twice children and so he slid five times to japanese level but the corporations did manage actually not listen leave it as those companies are. in the last thirty. probably the top one percent of all americans who used to take ten percent of national income had. now come to take twenty three percent wow that's yeah but you know you'd expect that according to the trickle down economics road with that kind of concentration of income you would have more in this model and more growth it's not trickling down and no actually

down into their pockets a little you are going to like i want to switch gears here and talk about this that are already there there's a lot of different ideas about what the federal reserve has been doing both in terms of quantitative easing just kind of the last two years the last four years what do you think about the federal reserve i mean there are people who say we would all be better off if the spread was abolished when you think yes i mean that has been a longstanding or a current thinking but you know there is a reason why use that the federal reserve was just nineteen thirty i mean you had. three four decades of terrible financial crises in the late twentieth century where you have financial crises we have a panics the credit market freezes and the economy. has come to his town aspire to federal reserve was actually establish to put a stop to that kind of but situation and i think it is. i mean get it still needed

to get oh absolutely it is the reason why practically all countries have a central bank but. in terms of its recent policies yes i mean you can criticize. the policies i mean you know mr greenspan refused to. come down de housing market gobble through money tree intervention on the ground is not of god will rule local for us so you can criticize it for what it has done but i think i go past central banking is crucial because before countries that used every central bank once they had a financial crisis they found it very difficult to come back from it what about this whole you know the recent idea that and i think you have taken out as you know sort of sliding the economy recent more money on it take it easy and you think that was a good idea well you know keep in the circumstances a lot of words things they can do but you know the first question we have to ask is

why are we in the situation where the federal reserve board was not kind of innocent bystander i made was that the central of this phase of twenty thirty years of financial deregulation and our supply of excessively cheap credit so. they can say that we had nothing to do with this sort of the first thing we have to ask is why are we in this situation which requires this extraordinary measures and the answer is because dave. to regulate the writers instead of properly i.e. they forgot to do our their job and. let's not also daryn see you know the state of it now do we continue to go ahead with things as they are or i mean there are people who say let's adopt an international crime let's let's ban them the dollar well i mean this is actual world simplest solution but in reality you

know economies have very different conditions and. look at europe i mean it has a single currency which. is. not working because there are some countries whose economy is in such a different levels of development different states. it's impossible to have one monetary policy so it probably works and i don't speak all european countries of children from. so on but when it comes to greece you know when it comes to political rallies on other stories of the year award because there's a long way away that was hard during training and economists from south korea and that's going to do it for now for more on the stories we covered through our website our you got com slash usa also check out our youtube page youtube dot com slash r.t. america you have a lot more to talk about in the half hour we'll be back and meantime i'm christine for.