fresh air strikes in libya as nato is now in command of the no fly zone so will this delay the sunset of operation odyssey dawn. twenty eleven maybe a year of protests and we can now add jordan and syria to the already long list so what is connecting all these countries and how is it spreading. the word help and that's why you only go to war when some power interests to your national security the pentagon sells it the mainstream media advertises that the public buys it but

do the people have fires remorse when it comes to wars. and more money may create more problems but what about a world without currency or one man things that would solve a world of problems we'll look into this like crisis. and it's been asked before how did we not see the economic collapse coming well we'll speak with a man who says he's got the answer and it all comes down to capitalism and love me working hard about it. it's friday march twenty fifth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine freeze out there watching our team. when out of the situation in libya where after six days of intense negotiations among its member states nato has agreed to resume control of the no fly zone there this was of course authorized first by the u.n.

security council resolution one thousand nine hundred seventy three and is known as operation odyssey dawn now over the last day western warplanes have continued airstrikes and in the woods in the libyan capital of tripoli reports are saying more than one hundred people were killed and violence is spreading throughout the middle east as well reports from syria detail troops opening fire on protesters in several cities with pro and anti-government crowds clashing in the streets more chaos also in bahrain jordan and yemen as well so what's with this thread that weaves all these nations together earlier i pose that question to v.j. for charlotte is a professor and a director of international studies at trinity college. some of this is simply different local grievances being brought together but. you know once tunisia it inspired people in other countries to bring up the grievances awards conflicts i mean that's one of the main things nobody's talked about is each

of the capital cities has a public square but people can gather you know if you're in your to or the united states blix says have declined will not appreciate how important that the square was for cairo the ability to occupy a place that is central to the city and have symbolic meaning so there was a grandmother said by the protesters early from tunisia that has been followed but it must be kept in mind that in each of these contexts the situation. the grievances different in part in the grievances are separate from the grievances in syria and certainly the context in libya is different certainly only different but your take on why the u.s. has chosen the u.s. the u.n. nato has chosen libya to focus on and avoided these other countries range on and on

now syria libya was the most convenient country to focus a pension on because libya's own leadership has a very checkered history with the west on the other hand and the gulf states have a very intimate close relationship with the west it was unlikely that there was going to be any attempt to take out any of the leadership in fact the intervention in bahrain was the opposite of the intervention in libya that has been an intervention invited to come from saudi arabia troops and they're coming to defend the regime the thread that ties libya to behind it is in a sense the old head which is alive and out with the. babylift conservative elites are going to remain in power the west has defended them so in the case of libya the leadership of but i feel has always threatened the west and indeed threaten their own people but apart from that the west has long look for

a conservative or stoop and govern libya on its behalf conservatively not exactly but after he has tried to govern on behalf of the west recently but very erratic whereas in bahrain and in yemen there's going to be a very stable transfer to once again the senate will leave but the parties in structure will remain a common thread here is oil and. you know here in washington we've been hearing a lot of cries lately especially since president obama has returned from his trip to latin america cries asking him to be more specific outlining the strategy what do you think the day that you know the nato and the u.s. is going to find in libya what do you think the result is going to be the first thing people need to understand is resolution one thousand seven hundred three cost on much money is a very vague resolution it is not specific at all of the vagueness comes from the following problem which the african c'mon of the united states military has

discovered it's supposed to be an no fly zone established to protect civilians on the other hand as general ham of the african command has demonstrated it's very hard to tell the difference between protecting civilians and protecting the rebels so is the united states and french but no fly zone intended to give support to the rebels in there was against the japanese troops or is it to simply protect civilians why do you say why is it hard to tell the difference here well to defend them not wearing uniforms the rebel army as they wouldn't i mean they have not had time to contract. peelers in good new uniforms mean so their direct their group their lives the civilians were taken up arms and become a rebel force so from a cockpit it's very hard to appear to where the good of his troops saying gaging rebels or whether they engage in silly and well as in

a briefing room in stuttgart or in washington d.c. it's easy to say well we're defending syrians not rebels but by the looks it's not very easy to do so in a sense what delusion one thousand seven hundred three has produced is an ambiguous situation we need to our forces will and now french and american forces are essentially providing air cover to the rebels there is to say they have become part of a lot and that's why different from the un's obligation to protect civilians which was the initial approach into resolution one thousand nine hundred eighty three and that was the day personifies there and director of international studies at training college. also a lot of confusion about what's going on but i do expect in the next few days there will be quite a bit of selling the action in libya to the american people i some of our highest leaders more and more this is part of the strategy of the mission itself are his loyalists or take a look at how this is continually done and what exactly comes out of it. the

reality of war war's hell and that's why you only go to war when it's an absolute interest to your national security it's one reason why i coalition forces do battle with an information war to fight alongside the real one playing out on the ground in afghanistan for example so what's not widely known by these milestones the longest war american history we have surpassed the soviet campaign there we have spent hundreds of sectional amount of money but instead carries this message good morning afghanistan welcome to the new day of hope and reconstruction in the war torn region which accommodates conflict with loans for peace that's the nato version told in this promotional film it was given to international journalists like myself at the annual nato summit presumably to spread the message public relations efforts like these are nothing new and commander of the nato forces the united states spends billions of dollars alone to market its version of the war to

the world including p.r. at home and abroad u.s. funded media as well as psychological operations for example a leaked classified cia document revealed a plan for ally it's a quote strategic communication program across nato troop contributors that taps into the key concerns of specific western european audiences that could provide a buffer if apathy becomes opposition to fight declining public support for the war from france and germany as a young girl she recalls the day when the taliban will get to try to turn talk to tank outside her hosts and kept watch on her from the hunter needless the cia tapped afghan women as the perfect messenger to make an emotional appeal about the taliban and professed their aspirations for the future as this woman does here still. some media picked up on this message to hear time i. quotes pulling out

u.s. troops from afghanistan with brutality against women however the thing you remember about this poor girl this happened while he was troop through there and some like feminist writer jill bloke with which argues these p.r. tactics are an assault on women to i think it absolutely exploits the women's issue and exploits women's used purely to advance u.s. foreign policy objectives they certainly weren't interested in women's rights in that region before it became strategically important to them in this so-called war on terror. and it's not clear efforts like this even work it's absolutely impossible to tell but i would be willing to suggest that. it's very ineffective and maybe u.s. defense secretary robert gates would agree as his recent closed door nato speech can attest he's now resorting to scolding allies for getting ready to abandon the war meanwhile hillary clinton says the u.s.

is losing when it comes to broadcasting its message abroad on state funded t.v. stations unfortunately we are paying a big price for it even though the u.s. has spent one billion dollars alone to broadcast its message to the arab world where it's at war through the state news network. the network has logged in just happen percent of you worship asim. all showing perhaps you can't sell of war welcome to the new days unless you have a buyer lauren mr archie your buyers need it especially at this time and evidence here that even the pentagon needs a top notch p.r. campaign now as we've been throughout history losing support by the public can and have had pretty dire effects on the path toward takes well you saw him in the report project alberto is also here in studio he is the military analyst and also an arche blogger and i want to talk about this idea of selling the message you know . as an american led involvement anywhere. public support is important so why is

this a bad thing well it's a bad way it's a bad thing i think good because if it's conference and interesting american people because the pentagon is paid to make war that's why we hire the pentagon and pay them billion dollars because the pentagon makes war politician dispose of their wants to bring peace and the american people are supposed to be asked their opinion in this republic in this democracy so that's why it's a problem if it's contrary to the will desire of the people then it should be said no to i want to bring money libya into this we're starting to learn a little bit more each day about what's going on there are some reports coming in this as one of the things that the u.s. military is doing is using these science i'm trying khadafi soldiers to try to change their mind about him i asked of course came up big in discussion that article in rolling stone by michael hastings that one of the top officials there wanted to use style and u.s. senators visiting afghanistan to talk about all of this and this technique that's

used and why it could be that it could be not beneficial sure will specifically in libya the the rebel forces don't have any trained military people they have no trained fighters the khadafi government those forces are well trained and they have not been affected whatsoever so psyops u.s. interventions i know it has made the press but we have had u.s. troops on the ground there has been u.s. marines just yesterday on the ground in libya and with the absolutely yeah that i mean there's unclassified documents that came out through a number of different press sources but we have a bunch of media there we have i haven't seen any of the media reporting on these you know a.b.c. affiliate newburn reported yesterday the twenty six marine expeditionary unit. their p.r. people produced a story just yesterday it's on its one hundred sons blog to know how we so so we have had u.s. troops on the ground and there have been working in there's probably only a which is special operations working within within the libyan forces as well to

try. to get them to defect because if there's no military leaders defected from libya there's no way that the the rise of the the rebels can fight off is just there's just no way it's are going to have long term battles and this is bad for us because the longer that there's the khadafi stays in power the worse off it is for nato and for the message because we will end up getting bogged down in this now and on the other fact about the u.s. lawmakers psyops is it posed a problem because our lawmakers need to have objectives they need to have a look at the if there are a lecture it and say do we need to be there and the electorate largely their opinion has been given to them by their leader the leader says not people and so that's where the the big disconnect is certainly it's a difficult choice to the for that we see these generals and they want to protect their guys they just want to get more a guy's there more troops then and i know one of that clips that kind of sticks out with how do we get into their head how do we get into that lawmakers had let's move across the middle east a little more what's going on in syria right now certainly

a huge concern lots of violence and we talk about the message you seem to think we're talking a little bit before the show you seem to think that it this is not ready and there are going to be a lot more messages that are going to be need to be sold to the american people i mean this is going be really problematic the look going to take place in syria it's becoming sectarian now we've got shiites moving of damascus that have never been there before nobody would have ever thought this would go on it's getting incredibly bad in syria i mean how to exist at a hyperextended rate in yemen so i think that that government will fall libya that government will fall syria that government will fall as well and behind that government will fall as well now where the u.s. and nato said well you're going to see you're going to see u.s. forces the pentagon right now in my opinion would be putting together a pilot strands of plans and strategies for how to secure saudi arabian oil fields in the future because it's just this this uprising is not going to go on if you look at what takes place every five hundred years the abrahamic faiths judaism

christianity and. they go through big rummage sales and right now the the islamic world has is in a tri part civil war between the old crafts which would be better jobs and al qaida tides very extreme muslims and you have a secularist liberal liberals like hussein khadafi others and then you have young people we globalize young people that are more liberal but they still want to be working and want to participate in the country there's a tribe called part civil war across the arab world within these groups and they're having that rummage sale very interesting jagdale there tell military analyst in our team blogger as always thanks for weighing in and kind of breaking this down for us if you let's turn now to the economy for a great many people it's become a system that's now broken in part because in part a result of the two thousand and eight financial collapse so here's a question how do we climb out and get to a place of progress while the problems need big ideas and here's one start with

money and throw it away sounds crazy right well earlier i spoke with a man who thinks this might be exactly what we need peter joseph is a filmmaker and also the founder of the movement he told me what's wrong with the capitalist system and how he plans to fix the problem. a resource based economy explicitly does want to remove the actual mechanics that exchange in the market system itself as radical as that may seem to most you have to understand first of all that the problems we're seeing in the world is not the result of some bad policy or some legislation or some inflationary cycle boom and bust phenomenon that we're typically tog special economics the very foundation of the economic structure is intrinsically flawed we create money out of debt we charge pay interest on it which doesn't exist we create the principle but yet the principle plus the interest is always outstanding people it's a game of musical chairs the put into a singular phrase everyone systematically suffers through the system and its offset so when you hear about that collapse sovereign debt defaults these are

inevitabilities of the system not based on just someone's rogue policy or some flagrant activity of the stock market and derivatives granted those are very important attributes of it but my point in my work with the movement is that the system is intrinsically inherently flawed and for us to get on a plane to scale at a pace on a on a in a way to make our society sustainable and not suffer all these economic consequences we have to get down to the life ground of what actually supports human life what we've learned from the natural world the systems that actually that actually generate food when you realize this we live in a technical reality not a monetary one and if we for example one child dies every five seconds from poverty in preventable diseases on this planet this is of course unnecessary technically we can easily feed everyone on this planet and when you travel at that train of thought when you take a technical perspective as opposed to a monetary perspective we see weak resolve just about all of the major human goes

on this planet by restructuring the entire economic phenomenon to be truly economic the propaganda of the west and the free market and a free for all market as i call it is to costly assume back oriented back to these old structures that were based on autocratic dictatorship with no real calm. munis attributes to it all a true communist ideas a family you know something i think we call can relate to we are about intelligent resource management learning about how to take care of ourselves technically and creating a ground up system that does that and the only way you can do that is by the elimination of this this supposedly self interest intrinsic attribute of our system that we think is natural obviously we all have self interest but self interest must become social interest if we expect to survive as a species very simply the world can have to learn to work together i'm sorry to say it all the politicians out there jingoistic patriotic in the words of albert einstein patriotism is a disease and one world is a single round planet it's time we recognize it as such we have to manage the world

in this way too so there's a firm technical reality it's not just philosophical so this fight this movement is about bridging the difference between all races all nationalities all rigid religions all all everything that divides us because we all have to come back to the basic necessities of life and we can't even get that right within the monetary system the suffering is is unacceptable and not necessary you were talking earlier and you said you know everyone suffers by this system i think that maybe let's clarify a little bit a lot of people suffer but there are some people who want to keep this system exactly how it is not right. so the upper one percent certainly isn't certainly has a prime interest has a very easy way to justify the fruits that they've paid claims to be of one percent of the world's population owning forty percent of the planet's wealth if that isn't a signpost to the in transit flaw of the system that it's there to perpetuate one class over another i'm not sure what is so yes the proper one percent has

a very vested interest and that's where that carries on of the governments which are essentially funded and supported by the corporate institutions and i know you have written to news you've written about this large gap between the rich and poor and i know one point that you've made in your writings is that america is one of the most socially immobile countries in the world i had to stop and read that again when i started at this point what you're saying i think is if you're born poor chances are you'll stay poor other than of course a few exceptions how does this change under the system. well it's not as like a system this work builds upon the research from an anonymous jock fresco which builds upon researchers from from well the past one hundred fifty years people have continually thought about a different economic model not based on monetary exchange and all of the intrinsic problems that come out of that dizziness project is something important to mention which i see suggest people look into that is a partnership with this ice movement and it's a blueprint system based on referencing natural law and what that means is you

actually get to the life ground as i mentioned earlier you look at what it means to make a human being what it means to meet the needs of the human assess city from obviously the bare necessities to all of the emotional and bio psycho social phenomenon that actually generate our behavior generator well being in our mental health when you put all this together which is a completely technical orientation very limited when it comes to human opinion this is what science has given us by the way you see that the current economic model is stuck in time it's not actually great representing what meets human needs and the more you step back and look at how we could technically provide for the human population eliminate war eliminate famine eliminate poverty eliminate ninety five percent of most crime which by the way is monetary related you begin to see that an entirely new approach can be taken now with peter jones the filmmaker and also the founder of does that guy. and saying with this topic of the economic collapse of two thousand and eight here's a question was it in fact

a collapse or implosion of the economy or was it a slow erosion and a series of smaller events that lead ultimately to well an avalanche of all financial pundits and talking heads being shot some economists say we as americans were in part asking the wrong question and also in part we weren't getting the full answers about what was going on behind the scenes earlier i spoke to high june chang an economist from south korea who teaches at cambridge university. he also wrote several books including this one twenty three things they don't tell you about capitalism so i asked him first who they are and what exactly is it they haven't told us here's his response. there is basically these free market economist which are all of the lord god and indeed they had a lot of great influence on other things worked on. a mission they told the world that we need to have freedom arcus more we need to forget about

things like income inequality that the market to the world in the end will always be richer than me and i remember hearing phrases like trickle down economy things that you know if the wealthiest have the money it will trickle down and everyone will sort of get a part i know that you argue that there's no such thing as a free market and adolescent things i think you make a good point that we overlook there are child labor laws there are environmental regulations things that first people protesting there are rules in place why do you think this is important the concept of free trade and free market need to really delve into well you know we have to realize that all markets have a lot of regulations propping them up. who can trade what can be traded how they can be traded but we don't see many of these regulation because we have contacts appeased regulars and so much you know one two hundred years ago a lot of people thought it was our call fiscally legitimate to buy and sell people

it's. i mean a hundred years ago a lot of children were working and people thought this was a part of our free colony you know these children want to work these people want to improve and there's no problem there but our over time we have back on to change of values and have introduced these regulators now we are kept these values march that we don't see the. regulations so if you make this argument because you're trying to say there should be some more great relationship you just want people to realize that there are already are some in place my point is actually a lot from my point is that you know free market equal is often tell us that the regulators that pay or pause. politically motivated interferences is scientifically the sign we. have the truth well it's not like that i mean the opposition as i mean political positions us believe these people say no actually you cannot have more environmental regulation because it

goes all these decrees for free market what i say is that actually it's not clear what the principle free market is i think it's interesting to another one of your really strong arguments when we talk about different countries and how far they've come in the state of their economies you argue that the companies with sort of the smaller income gaps between the rich and poor are the ones that have a more highly regulated immigration system i think this is a really interesting one to talk about this yes i mean basically of how we should see these. income inequality is not. i mean twenty extent that we need to motivate people and give incentives all the time and you know how do you justify the kind of increase in income inequality you have in the united states today i mean brazil today i mean does income inequality that become dysfunctional so first of all what is important to accept is that this is

nothing natural or you can correct it and a lot of countries have corrected it through the use of the welfare state in. countries with that people will stay you might think that there are too many taxes people in theirs and so on but actually. it is actually make people more open to changes because people have a safety net so you know in america you lose a job you don't even have money to go to your start. in countries that are there to exist a people that couldn't get some minimum standard of living they can get retrained for the top for another job and those are paradoxically actually there's much less pressure for protectionism in. the scandinavian countries and in america and i want to switch gears now i know in your book you talk a lot about neo liberal messages as damaging in your opinion has neoliberal

liberalism done to the economy yes have a desire to create and you need to liberalize an open or privatized you can only die your economy to the maximum extent and they just aren't sure which damages you know i mean the biggest damages are probably what has been done to the former soviet bloc countries when they were opened up in the late eighty's early ninety's i mean they were told there was once you privatized all the companies quickly and to regulate everything everything was fine no it wasn't i mean these countries went through very deep recessions which. me just. yeah i mean throughout the eighty's and ninety's these people implemented a series of clean programs known as a structural adjustment program. like the world bank and the i.m.f. and these programs are implemented with the probably a stairwell to three years of pay and then your groceries take off because you're

going to be an open deregulated economy the result is that grows actually class in africa. massively slow down in latin america i mean these polices done a lot of damage all over the world now two thousand and seven two thousand is now this policy has finally. collapsed and come down to. rich countries themselves i mean. all these countries are in big trouble that was causing chang senior research associate for the center for economic and policy research also the author of twenty three things they don't tell you about capitalism and not going to do it for now but for more on the stories we covered go to r.t. dot com slash usa also check out our you tube page you tube dot com slash r.t. america and christine for sound will be back here and a half hour.