fresh air strikes in libya as nato is now in command of the no fly zone so will this delay the sunset of operation odyssey dawn. twenty eleven may be the year of protests and now we can add in jordan and syria to the already long list so let's connecting all these countries and how is it spreading. yourself and that's why you only go to war when it's an absolute interest to your national security the pentagon sells it to mainstream media advertising and the public buys it but do the people have buyer's remorse when it

comes to read more. and more money may create more problems and one of our world without currency one man things that would solve a world of problems we'll take a look into this right guys movement. and it's been asked before how do we not see the economic collapse coming well i'll speak with a man who says he's got the answer and it all comes down to capitalism and what we weren't talking about it. is friday march twenty fifth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for working our team. on out of the situation in libya where after six days of intense negotiations among its member states nato has agreed to assume control of the no fly zone there this was of course authorized first by the u.n.

security council resolution one nine hundred seventy three and is known as operation odyssey dawn now over the last day western warplanes have continued airstrikes in the libyan capital of tripoli and reports are saying more than one hundred people were killed in violence as. breading throughout the middle east as well reports from syria detailed troops opening fire on protesters in several cities with pro and anti-government crowds clashing in the streets this is happening in bahrain jordan and yemen as well so here's a question what's the thread that weaves all these nations together earlier i pose that question to egypt for shaad is a professor and director of international studies at trinity college. some of this is simply a different look review. being brought together but. you know once tunisia it inspired people in other countries to bring up their grievances. blix i mean that's one of the main things nobody's talked about is each of the

capital cities has a public square where people can gather you know if you're in your to or the united states the public spaces have declined will not appreciate how important that he square was for cairo the ability to occupy a place that is central to the city and has symbolic meaning so there was a grandmother said by the protesters early from tunisia that has been followed but it must be kept in mind that in each of these contexts the situation. the grievances different in part in the grievances are separate from the grievances in syria and secondly the context in libya is really different certainly only different but your take on why the u.s. has chosen the u.s. the u.n. nato has chosen libya to focus on and avoided these other countries range on and on now syria libya was the most convenient country to focus

a pension on because the libya's own leadership has a very checkered history with the west on the other hand and the gulf states have a very intimate close relationship with the west it was unlikely that there was going to be any attempt to take out any of the leadership in fact the intervention in bahrain was the opposite of the intervention in libya there has been an intervention in god it has come from saudi arabia's troops and they have come in to defend the regime the thread that ties libya to behind it is in a sense the order which is and with the. abolition conservative elites are going to remain in both the west has defended them so in the case of libya the leadership a good offer has always threatened the west and indeed threaten their own people but apart from that the west has long looked for

a conservative force to come in and w.b. on its behalf conservatively not that happy has tried to govern on behalf of the west recently. whereas in bahrain and in yemen there's going to be a very stable transfer to once again the that they will leave but the authorities in structure will remain a common thread here is oil and about you know here in washington we've been hearing a lot of cries lately especially since president obama has returned from his trip to latin america cries asking him to be more specific outlining the strategy what do you think the day that you know the nato and the u.s. is going to find in libya what do you think the result is going to be the first thing people need to understand is resolution one thousand seven hundred three bastone much nineteen is a very vague resolution it is not specific at all the vagueness comes from the following problem which the african c'mon of the united states military has

discovered it's supposed to be an no fly zone established to protect civilians on the other hand as general ham of the african command has demonstrated it's very hard to tell the difference between protecting civilians and protecting the rebels so is the united states and french no fly zone intended to give support to the rebels in there was against got these troops or is it to simply protect civilians why is that why is it hard to tell the difference here well to be fair they're not wearing uniforms the rebel army as they wouldn't i mean they have not had time to you know contract. peelers in good new uniforms mean the director group the allies the civilians who are big enough arms and become a rebel force so. big it's very hard to bear but are these troops engaging rebels or whether being given civilians whereas in a briefing room in stuttgart or in washington d.c.

it's easy to see where we are defending so really it's not rebels but by the looks it's not very easy to do so in a sense what delusion one thousand seven hundred three has produced is an ambiguous situation where you need to or forces will. american forces are essentially providing the rebels there is to say they have become part of the war and that's why different from the un's obligation to protect civilians it was the initial approach into resolution one thousand seven hundred three and that was the professor and director of international studies at trinity college. or so a lot of confusion of course about what's going on but i do expect in the next few days there will be i don't go out of selling the action in libya to the american people by some of our highest leaders more and more this is part of the strategy of the mission itself are his loyalists or takes a look at how this is continuing and done what exactly comes out of it the reality

of war the worst hell and that's why you only go to war when it's an absolute interest to your national security it's one reason why coalition forces do battle with an information war to fight alongside the real one playing out on the ground in afghanistan for example so it's not really known by these milestones it's the longest war in american history we have surpassed the soviet campaign there we have spent exceptional amount of money but instead carries this message of mourning on the street welcome to the new day of hope and reconstruction in the war torn region which accommodates conflict. but he longs for peace that's the nato version told in this promotional film it was given to international journalists like myself at the annual nato summit presumably to spread the message public relations efforts like these are nothing new and commander of the nato forces the united states spends

billions of dollars alone to market its version of the war to the world including p.r. at home and abroad u.s. funded media as well as psychological operations for example a leaked classified cia document revealed a plan for our lights a quote strategic communication program across nato troop contributors that taps into the key concerns of specific western european audiences they could provide a buffer if apathy becomes opposition to fight declining public support for the war from france and germany as a young girl she recalls the day when the taliban will get to tell it turn talk to tank outside her home and could watch on her family and her neighbors the cia tapped afghan women as the perfect messenger to make an emotional appeal about the taliban and professed their aspirations for the future as this woman does here. some media picked up on this message to hear time magazine equates pulling out u.s.

troops from afghanistan with brutality against women however you remember about this poor girl this happened while he was troop through there and some like feminist writer jill argues these p.r. tactics are an assault on women too i think it absolutely exploits the women's issue and exploits women's use purely to advance u.s. foreign policy objectives they certainly weren't interested in women's rights in that region before it became strategically important to them in this one's hair. and it's not clear efforts like this even work it's absolutely impossible to tell but i would be willing to. just that. it's very ineffective maybe u.s. defense secretary robert gates put it free as his recent closed door nato speech can attest he's now resorting to scolding allies for getting ready to abandon the war meanwhile hillary clinton says the u.s.

is losing when it comes to broadcasting its message abroad on state funded t.v. stations unfortunately we are paying a big price for it even though the u.s. is spent one billion dollars alone to broadcast its message to the arab world where it's so war through the state news network. the network has lost didn't just happen percent of viewership. all showing perhaps you can't sell of war welcome to the new days unless you have a buyer lauren mr archie your. buyer is needed especially at this time and evidence here that even the pentagon needs a top notch p.r. campaign as we've been throughout history losing support by the public can and has had pretty dire effects on the path of war takes well you saw him in the report by jake alberto is also here in studio he's a military analyst and also an r.t. blogger and i want to talk about this idea of selling the message you know. as an

american led involvement anywhere public support is important so why is this a bad thing. it's a bad way it's a bad thing i think because it's contrary to the interest the american people because the pentagon is paid to make war that's why we hire the pentagon would pay them billion dollars because the pentagon makes war politicians in support of the ones to bring peace and the american people are supposed to be asked their opinion in this republican this democracy so that's why it's a problem if it's contrary to the will desire of the people then it should be said no two i want to bring let me libya into this we're starting to learn a little bit more each day about what's going on there and there are some reports coming in the present one of the things that the u.s. military is is doing. using these side arcs until khadafi soldiers to try to change their mind about him psyops of course came up big in discussion an article in rolling stone by michael hastings that one of the top officials there wanted to use science and u.s. senators visiting afghanistan to talk about all of this and this technique that's

used and why it could be bad it could be not beneficial shareable specifically in libya the the rebel forces don't have any trained military people they have no trained fighters the khadafy government those forces are well trained and they have not effected whatsoever psyops u.s. interventions nor has it made the press but we have had u.s. troops on the ground there has been u.s. marines just yesterday on the ground in libya in libya absolutely yeah i mean there's unclassified documents that came out through a number of different press sources but we have a little bunch of media there we have i haven't seen any of the media reporting on these you know a.b.c. affiliate newburn reported yesterday the twenty sixth marine expeditionary unit. their p.r. people produced a story just yesterday it's on its own interactions blog on the album with howie so so we have had u.s. troops on the ground and there have been working in this probably o d a which is special operations working with them within the libyan forces as well to try to get

them to defect because if there's no military leaders defected from libya there's no way that the the rise of the the rebels can fight off is just there's just no way sir going to have long term battles and this is bad for us because the longer that there's the qaddafi stays in power the worse off it is for nato and for the united states could we will end up getting bogged down in this now and on the other about the u.s. lawmakers psyops does it pose a problem because our lawmakers need to have objectives they need to have a look at their electorate and say do we need to be there. the electorate largely their opinion has been given to them by their leader the leader says not. people and so that's where the the big disconnect is certainly it's a difficult choice to go for that we think it's generals and they want to protect their guys they just wanted to get more guys there more troops then and i know one of the quotes that kind of takes out with how do we get into their heads how do we get into that lawmakers head but let's move across the middle east

a little more what's going on in syria right now certainly a huge concern lots of violence and we talk about the message you seem to think we're talking about before the show you seem to think that it this is not just anywhere there's going to be a lot more messages that are going to need to be sold to the american people yeah i mean this is going to be really problematic if you look at it take place in syria it's becoming sectarian now we've got shiites moving of damascus that have never been there before nobody would have ever thought this would go on it's getting incredibly bad in syria i mean how to exert. hyperextended rate in yemen and i think that that government will follow libya the government will fall syria that government will fall as well in bahrain the government will fall as well where did the u.s. and nato fit into this well you're going to see you're going to see u.s. forces the pentagon right now in my opinion would be putting together strands of plans and strategies for how to secure saudi arabian oil fields in the future because it's this uprising is not going to go and if you look at what takes place every five hundred years that abrahamic faiths judaism christianity islam they go

through sales and right now the the islamic world has is in a tri part civil war between theocrats which would be. and. types very extreme muslims and then you have secularist liberty liberals like a slam hussein khadafi others and then you have young people globalized young people that are more liberal but they still want to be working and want to participate in a country there's a tripod part civil war cost the arab world within these groups and they're having to rummage sale a very interesting take i'm going to tell another terry analyst in our to you as always thanks for weighing in and kind of breaking if down for us here. all right let's turn now to the economy for a great many people it's become a system that's broken in part a result of the two thousand and eight financial collapse so here's a question how do we climb out and get to a place of progress big problems that need big ideas and here's one start with this

money and throw it away sounds crazy right well earlier i spoke with a man who thinks this might be exactly what we need here joe said he's a filmmaker and also the founder of the movement told me what's wrong with the capitalist system and how he hopes to fix it. a resource based economy explicitly does want to remove the actual mechanics of exchange and the market system itself as radical as that may seem to most you have to understand first of all the problems we're seeing in the world is not the result of some bad policy or some legislation or some inflationary cycle boom and bust phenomenon that words that we project the shell economics the very foundation of the economic structure is intrinsically flawed we create money out of debt we charge interest on it which doesn't exist we create the principle but yet the principle process the interest is always outstanding people it's a game of musical chairs the put into a singular phrase everyone systematically suffers through the system and its offset so when you hear about that collapse that befalls these are inevitabilities of the

system not based on just someone's rogue policy or some flagrant activity of the stock market and derivatives granted those are very important attributes of it but my point in my work with the movement is that the system is intrinsically inherently flawed and for us to get on a on a scale at a pace on a on a in a way to make our society sustainable or not suffer all these economic consequences we have to get down to the life ground of what actually supports human life what we've learned from the natural world the systems that actually that actually generate food when you realise this we live in a technical reality not a monetary one and if we for example one child dies every five seconds from poverty in preventable diseases on this point this is of course unnecessary technically we could easily feed everyone on this planet and when you strip away the train of thought when you take a technical perspective as opposed to a monetary perspective we see we can resolve just about all of the major human rose on this planet by restructuring the entire economic phenomenon to be truly economic

the propaganda of the west and a free market a free for all market as i call it is to constantly assume back oriented back to these old structures that were based on autocratic dictatorship with no real calm. munis attribute to it all true communist ideas family you know what i think we all can relate to we are about intelligent resource management learning about how to take care of ourselves technically and creating a ground up system that does that and the only way you can do that his body elimination of is this suppose it self interest intrinsic attribute of our system that we think is natural obviously we all have self interest but self interest must become social interest that we expect to survive as a species very simply the world can have to learn to work together i'm sorry to say it all the politicians out there jingle istic patriotic in the words of albert einstein patriotism is a disease it's one world it's a single round planet it's time we recognized as such we have to manage the world

in this way too so there's a firm technical reality it's not just philosophical so the cyclists movement is about bridging the difference between all races all nationalities all rigid religions all all everything that divides us because we all have to come back to the basic necessities of life and we can't even get that right within the monetary system the suffering is is unacceptable and not necessary you were talking earlier and you said you know everyone suffers by this system i think that maybe let's clarify a little bit a lot of people suffer but there are some people who want to keep this system exactly how it is not right. i'd say the upper one percent certainly isn't certainly has a prime interest has a very easy way to justify the fruits that they've paid claim to be of one percent of the world's population million forty percent of the planet's wealth if that isn't a signpost to the intrinsic flaw of this system that it's there to perpetuate one class over another i'm not sure what is so yes the proper one percent has

a very vested interest and i'm sure that carries on to the governments which were essentially funded and supported by the corporate institutions and i know you have written to news you've written about this large gap between the rich and poor and i know one point that you've made in your writings is that america is one of the most socially immobile countries in the world i had to stop and read that again when i thought of that but basically what you're saying i think is if you're born poor chances are you'll stay poor other than of course a few exceptions how does this change under the system. well it's not as like a system this work builds upon research and doesn't end of shock fresco which builds upon researchers from from the past one hundred fifty years people that have continually thought about a different economic model not based on monetary exchange and all of the intrinsic problems that come out of. dizziness project is something in core intervention which i suggest people look into that is a partnership with this like ice movement and it's a blueprint system based on referencing natural law and what that means is you

actually get to the life ground as i mentioned earlier you look at what it means to make a human being what it means to meet the needs of the human assess a tea from obviously the bare necessities to all of the emotional and bio psycho social phenomenon that actually generate our behavior generator our well being our mental health when you put all this together which is a completely technical orientation very limited when it comes to human opinion this is what science has given us by the way you see that the current economic model is stuck in time it's not actually representing what needs human needs and the more you step back and look at how we could technically provide for the human population eliminate war eliminate famine eliminate poverty eliminate ninety five percent of most crime which by the way is monetary related you begin to see that an entirely new approach can be taken. i was peter joseph filmmaker and also the founder of this movement and the economic collapse of two thousand and eight was it in fact a collapse or implosion of the economy or was it the slow erosion and

a series of smaller events that lead ultimately to well an avalanche of financial pundits and talking heads seem shocked some economists say we as americans were asking the wrong questions and also we weren't getting the full answers about what was going on behind the scenes earlier i spoke to an economist from south korea who teaches at cambridge university and. he also wrote several books including this one twenty three things they don't tell you about capitalism so i asked him who they are and exactly what it is they haven't told us here's what he said. there is basically these free market economy which are all of the world and indeed they had a lot of influence on a lot of things were done in. the mission they told the world that we need to free the markets more we need to forget about things like income inequality that the market to the world india and we'll all be richer than me and i remember

hearing phrases like trickle down economy things that you know if the ruffing is have the money it will trickle down and everyone will sort of get a part i know that you argue that there's no such thing as a free market and there is something that can make the difference that we overlook there are child labor laws there are environmental regulations things that at first people so technically there are rules in place why do you think this is important the concept of free trade and free market need to really be delved into well. we have to realize that all markets have a lot of regulations propping them up. who can trade what can be traded how they can be traded but we don't see many of these regulations because we have come to accept these big illusions so what you know from two hundred years ago on other people is that it was a perfectly legitimate to clients and people as. i mean a hundred years there were a lot of children working and people thought this was

a possible free colony you know these children want to work these people want to improve and there is no problem there but over time we have come to change of values and have introduced these big leisure's now we are these values march. cv these things this regulations so if you make this argument because you're trying to say there should be some more granulation then you just want people to realize that there are already are some in place no no my point is actually starting from my point is that you know free market because often tell us that the regulations that they will pause. politically motivated interfere is in some scientifically defined we. have the truth though it's not like that idea positions are as. political as our positions are so you fight these people say no actually you cannot have more environmental regulation because it goes all gays the principle of free market the diocese that actually is not clear what the principle

of free market. i think is interesting too another one of your really strong arguments when we talk about different countries and how far they've come in the state of their economies you argue that the companies with sort of the smaller income gaps between the rich and the poor are the ones that have a more highly regulated immigration system and i think this is a really interesting concept about this. god is how we should see it is. income inequality is not. i mean inevitably i mean twenty extent that we needed to move to be people and give incentive and so on but you know how do you justify the kind of increase in income inequality that you have in the united states today i mean in brazil today i mean even from inequalities that become dysfunctional so first of all what is important to talk sept is that this is nothing natural or you

can correct me that a lot of countries are corrected through the use of the welfare state and in. countries with people welfare state you might think that there are too many taxes people don't want to invest and so on but actually. it is actually make people more open to changes because people have a safety net so in america you lose your job you don't even have money to go to your start. in countries we tap into existing people not only get some minimum standard of living they can get retrained for another job and also paradoxically actually there's much less pressure for protection in say the scandinavian countries and in america and i want to switch gears now i know in your book you talk a lot about meall liberal messages and what kind of damage in your opinion has neo liberal liberalism done to the economy yes i mean this our doctrine that you need

to liberalize open not in privatized you can on your economy to the maximum extent . sure challenges you know i mean biggest damage is probably what has been done to the former soviet bloc countries when they were opened up in the late eighty's early ninety's i mean they were told there was once you privatized all the companies very quickly and regulate everything everything will be fine no it was and i mean these countries went through very deep recessions which have followed me just. yeah i mean throughout the eighty's and ninety's these people are implementing a series of you calling programs known as structural adjustment program. by the world bank and these programs or implement. probably. two three years of pay and then your clothes will take off because now we can open deregulated economy the result is that. actually clubs in africa.

as well as slowdown in that sense i mean these polices another beverage all over the world now called two thousand and seven two thousand is now it is policy has finally. collapsed come down to the whole. rich countries and. all these countries and because. that was hard to change senior research associate for the center for economic and policy research also the author of twenty three things they don't tell you capitalism and that is going to do it for now for more on the stories we covered through our website actually got cons last usa also we have a great you tube page you tube dot com slash r.t. america thanks so much for watching christine for that had a great weekend.