it certainly doesn't sound like a ceasefire so as that is being ignored and the battle lines are being drawn and redrawn in libya we'll have a report from on the ground in tripoli. on the risks and costs of should we are naturally reluctant to use force to solve the world's many trail. reluctant but still it seems sometimes we will so what else did president obama tell the us about libya would there be more action in the future. and the rosenberg trial it's

been sixty years and julius and ethel rosenberg were convicted of espionage by the jury's still out on what they've done for humankind living. it's tuesday march twenty ninth five pm in washington d.c. i'm christine freeze out there watching our team well let's start with libya today we're off to rapid advance rebels there are now being pushed further back from the outskirts of colonel gadhafi his home town there are reports of heavy bombardments and gunfire being used by pro-government forces despite claims that a cease fire is in place our policy reports now from tripoli. let's often choose day with we loud explosions here in the capital city of tripoli i was actually indoors when it happened and i can tell you that means windows of the building visibly shook as is the tenth straight day that typically has been the target of

coalition air strikes and as i'm speaking to be hearing a few gunshots just coming to my right now it's not only tripoli but also the city of misrata that has been hit increasingly so by these croatian planes this also is the last rebel held stronghold in the voice of libya and the latest report suggests that the rebels off last losing ground it's very difficult as foreign journalists to ascertain exactly what's happening in this water because the fighting there has been going on for almost a month and we have simply been unable to into the downtown area of the city the doctors they tell us that it is already days that the hospital ran out of medical supplies that they have been forced to turn patients away that government snipers are standing on the roofs of buildings and literally shooting at anything that needs and that some of the government tanks that are shelling are actually shining into residential areas now one of this is happening on the one hand there's this war of almost an ammunition there is another war that's taking place parallel to it

and this is the propaganda it is interesting that the pentagon has been giving almost daily accounts in terms of its operations here in libya but only now has it made mention of its propaganda planes and these are essentially planes that fly over in battle towns and cities they drop leaflets and they go across messages urging people to stop supporting gadhafi to lay down arms and to return home it doesn't really seem to be anything decisive on the horizon serving off now in terms of the front line which keeps shifting just forty eight hours ago it certainly looked as if the rebels were making a quick advance ultimately here on the capital city of tripoli not only have they been stopped at gadhafi stronghold of sirte but they have not actually been pushed back and the latest word we have is that they are in the town of bin jawad but even those kind of reports. keep changing if you always with some of course interesting that they've actually been pushed even further back to ruslan north and gregor the problem with the rebels is that they simply did not have enough weapons not only that but that the weapons they do have are insufficient and old and this is why we

hear rebels calling to the international community to number one stick up these strikes and number two to supply them with more weapons there are rumors that they are the saving reinforcements of these weapons from the egyptian border we're also hearing that as gadhafi forces would cheat and as they run away in face of impending is strikes they leave a lot of weapons and ammunition behind that the rebels have been able to take and use themselves but certainly the opposition leaders very much a hoping that they will be a really missed exploited by the international community to continue to be involved in the conflict here because certainly without international involvement the rebels really do not stand a chance of reaching tripoli now was largely correspondent paula so we're and you know there is increasing pressure from lawmakers in washington as well as the american public for president obama to be more specific in the strategy for libya there's also increasing cost and a debate with many layers about whether the u.s. should have gone in in the first place so let's go now to austin texas to speak now

to radio host alex jones all right alex if they allowed in and tallies have the cost that's part about five hundred fifty million dollars but there are indeed people who say the americans nato they saved my family what do you say about this. well i mean this is classic propaganda when the united nations is going along with the blustering that happened in rwanda back in the early ninety's you know nobody cared when saddam hussein was a us puppet and virtually repressed his people and used us nerve gas on the kurds it was a great act of patriotism when al qaida was used to start the war with the serbs in kosovo they were the great allies of freedom and then of course when they were busy using al qaida the mujahideen to start a war with russia that was a great activity liberty and freedom and now mcclatchy newspapers even reporting that they had commander of the rebels in the east of libya was trained for

decades in virginia and a cia and is now commanding the al qaeda forces and i have fox news headline and we're all a lockie now number one an al qaida under bin ladin secretly meets at the pentagon and has dinner with the secretary of the army and that's fox news associated press alkali that was created by the cia and there are a few low level terrorists that operate on their own but at the top they use al qaeda to attack the us they can take our liberties and we have this new u.n. mandate where they order the president and other presidents and prime ministers with a resolution to start bombing libya and obama didn't even go and consult congress which is a lot a declaration of war authorization of force so this is all part of globalism here and there is al qaida or gallant little ally and i know that america because i

don't support al kut i don't support amorello locky running the attack at fort hood mentally or the christmas day bombing the underwear bomber the shoe bomber the times square bomber i think al he read a lot of interesting point there it's pretty interesting when we think back colonel gadhafi is always saying that when it his over that he's fighting the taliban right . and that it is interesting when the u.s. goes in and fights against gadhafi. inevitably there's going to be some sharing of sides and sharing of duties with people who might have otherwise been our enemies you also brought up the fact that you know the u.s. sometimes goes in places and sometimes doesn't a lot of people have been making this criticism last night alex we heard from president obama making the case for libya he was defending his decision the president also responded to these criticisms of people who have argued that there are many places in the world sudan yemen bahrain where innocent civilians are threatened by brutal dictators if we go into libya shouldn't we go there as well and here's what he said it's true that america cannot use our milter wherever

repression occurs given the costs and risks of intervention we must always measure our interests against the need for but it cannot be an argument for never. on behalf of what's right. so what do you think i think you know you saying that the u.s. should never act on this is ridiculous it's come out that british special forces u.s. special forces were there before this began just like in egypt they fly elbereth in and of live or both of the quote liberation grades are headed up by western funded people in egypt where barak says he won't stand down when the u.s. ordered him to and then magically he has a stroke and it's never seen again that's one of their former dictators like saddam . propped up i mean this is ridiculous the west is setting a precedent through the u.n. that they can fund the rebels to start wars against regimes not favorable to the

globalist system and then the west will come in and bombard them we've now seen senator lieberman and others calling for a no fly zone and kinetic military action which means bombing with the new or well we can turn against syria and this is about africa for later moving into sudan later moving into somalia later moving into the entire continent of africa this is part of the full spectrum dominance and this is the beginning of a new front and i'm not you that hitler would have been smart like the people that run our country and if you would have hired rebels and trained them in berlin just like they have the rebels with training virginia and then you go get the weapons and you bring outside and out of the allies saudi arabia and then they start attacking and shooting and killing and have their own jets and tanks and they're called protesters and then another older line dictator who quite frankly isn't as bad as al qaeda he stands up to him and so then you go in and bombard him and so

you can't call the war it's kinetic military action they've got a range or troop ships british arrange it and they're saying this will be an asian it's a humanitarian force well i think that you might i think allies it's an interesting point you bring up the fact that we're going into this country and a lot of americana going to. one of you know members of the u.s. government even people with expertise in this area don't exactly know who the rebels are and i want to play this for you this is a sound bite from senator rand paul rand paul excuse me. about what he has to say about this not the response. the problem with sending u.s. military to help rebels in libya or anywhere else is that we are taking sides in a conflict and on behalf of the people whom we know nothing about. when or if there is regime change in libya what kind of leadership exactly will replace good afy who are the libyan rebels exactly. who are the libyan rebels exactly i know that you've

spoken about senator rand paul on your show before what do you think do you think he has a point well you're absolutely right look geopolitically if you you know right now what's even buried in mainstream press which admitted there are a lot of angry people who don't like the forty two year rule of gadhafi and they have beach but the u.s. and nato got the ball rolling on record by inserting rebel commanders to command hardcore surely radicals who want to overthrow secular arab it north african country so it is just they started the ball rolling just like the start of the attacks on serbia and the attacks on russia's underbelly in one nine hundred seventy nine percent he brags about this so yes there were some real people who didn't like who's in the bargain egypt and some real people who were independent a lot of different groups that didn't like about the i don't like khadafi and you know i mean i don't like tyrants but the fact is this has nothing to do with

humanitarianism it's about of beachhead in africa destabilizing the middle east and the secret army brigade all the al-qaeda the sort of the new world order is being used yet again they use it against america to take our liberties but use them against russia and struck russia into a war to believe them they used let me get in here real quick we're running out of time and i've got i have you here so i really want to ask you this certainly over the last few months especially in light of your friendship with charlie sheen you've been getting some media attention several magazines have done profiles on you from rolling stone to this one in new york magazine this article says a strange man is following you shouting about mind control assassin nine eleven conspiracy and the builder group radio host alex jones has corner of the bipartisan paranoia market and alex kind of a frightening photo there. you're called strange a conspiracy theorist and more your we have seen i mean do you think they captured the essence of alex in this article no it's

a complete. you know soft more classical close shave piece and i even gave him the photo they wanted i should let me show the new world order by warfare and i'm one hundred ten percent but to be clear new york magazine had already been here to interview me before that charlie sheen did some of the rolling stone it's just that they've been grafted a little bit into the story charlie's my friend he got back on drugs i went out there to try to help him you know stay clean and sober and i had him on my show to talk about how it was sober and then he kind of went off the rails because he was angry at his bosses at warner brothers and c.b.s. that day and that was not where i had got to go quite frankly it's some respects that it's kind of overshadowed some of my most other important work that we do and i first interviewed charlie sheen almost a decade of radio shows he contacted me and wanted to talk about nine eleven pretty i think alex it's a good thing though they are getting a lot of press out there as they say no press is bad press and certainly your

message is getting out there alex jones radio host of allister's thanks for having me. with our earlier in the show our own policy clear on the ground in tripoli and hundreds of journalists remain to cover the day to day events there to help the rest of the world can grasp on what's going on he thought once now as a veteran war correspondent joining us from williamsburg massachusetts hey there you know i'm wondering if your take on this as you've been watching the coverage of libya certainly we've been getting some mixed messages from the ground rebels have taken over sir and they're being pushed back what sort of challenges do you think journalists in libya are facing. well first of all if you have rating with the rebels you're either side you're operating with you're an embedded reporter you're in a better war for dog or for were careless and being embedded means you can only cover one side of the conflict honestly or else you're going to be shot quite frankly the u.s. military would not allow anyone to operate is going to tell the story of u.s.

military bombing of hospitals for example that happened in libya killings of innocent civilians and they do that the end of their intended relationship with the u.s. military other journalists who work independently in war zones like iraq or afghanistan have been targeted and eliminated by the coalition forces meaning western forces meaning nato united states britain that cetera because they've been reporting more honestly about what happened in gaza to be an independent journalist to some degree it's just it's really an information propaganda war serving a very imperious agenda at this point. i want to talk to you i know that you've done a lot of reporting and africa from what i understand but you know we're reporting and reporting in tough regions there can be a lot of similarities i'm wondering your thoughts on exactly what's going on in libya in terms of the challenges that these reporters are facing i mean you talk about some of them you know being and that is the challenge is reporting fairly but what about you know other steps for safety and other things that they say they don't like. well i work in afghanistan the congo uganda in ethiopia work for each

of which i work conflict zones and so i mean particular afghanistan well known in the congo it couldn't be more dangerous you're faced with you know if you took the problem is most many journalists out there are not not honest they're not going to tell the truth if you do tell the truth you've got to consider who you're working with and how that's going to going to play out it becomes very difficult to present an honest picture of the events you have to be able to pay for protection or work with somebody to protect you so that means you have to be with the united states military or with the rebels as i said. otherwise you know you essentially face the possibility of being shot or exploded by one of the u.s. tomahawk attacks for example because they're indiscriminately killing this is not a targeted well well positioned well targeted attack these are indiscriminate killings of civilians and military targeted military installations as well hospitals etc so journalists face but you know that's probably a probability i think that president frankly if i you bring up i mean it is

extremely difficult and as we just went around what's going on the world right now there's a lot that needs to be covered and i think you make a good point that in order to cover it fairly you need to be independent however it's nearly impossible to be independent in regions where it's just too dangerous so what's the answer here how do we get a fair assessment about exactly what's really going on but the same thing with anything else we have to remove the money from the politics remove the money from the reporting and remove the money from the government the reason the government officials in the united think they're going to allowing this to happen this and it's going to killing of people in afghanistan iraq congo ethiopia geography for example is because the money that has bought them off from the tens industries which are profiting from this or from the other corporations that are going to make money on it whether it's coca-cola with interest in sudan or india or for significant or whatever the same thing with journalist journalist so there was a paycheck there there was support from some institution whether it's a new york times there or a national. grady or whoever they get some sort of level support and most

journalists can operate without that because if you don't have any money you don't have any support how can you do this work you know basic bottom line financial financial aspects which then determine censorship and the private profit motive just keeping with the you know specifically dealing with libya we just had congressman king senate on here we heard from senator rand paul last question about exactly who the rebels are this is a group of people that the u.s. has gone in to work with to protect their fighting for democracy but they're starting to be questions raised about who they are and if they'll stay loyal to the u.s. and nato forces and the insight into that in terms of how that's been covered from the ground. but i think the rebels comprise four significant components of the rebel so-called rebel and i could off the movement in libya and that would be the popular uprising component definitely popular uprising people disaffected by forty years of dictatorship and seen khadafi rule serving american interests for example

since two thousand and four or serving british interests for longer than that in corporate interest and nothing coming back to the country so there's a popular component then there's a cia back component some of these rebels the national front for the salvation of libya these guys were originally working with the cia in sudan and in early one nine hundred eighty s. against other factions of the united states was fighting against at the time and now they show up in libya they had meetings in washington in the last two years and they had meetings in london before these events unfolded on the twentieth of february and there's an islamic fundamentalist component which seems to be these islamic rattlers radicals who have some association with britain and the united states and israel prior to february twentieth two thousand and eleven and that means they've been years by the u.s. and its agents to serve interests in different places such as in afghanistan prior to the u.s. invasion meeting with the taliban so this isn't the islamic fundamentalists there's a national component is the cia front of the islamic fundamentalists and then

you've got the defected. military from can get out these regime themselves would be again part of the disaffected popular uprising component and the question is where do they get their backing all right certainly some interesting points made on a good time to talk about it as we reach that i wasn't in libya actually harmon for now i turn our correspondent thanks so much. today marks the sixtieth anniversary of the day julius and ethel rosenberg were handed down a conviction for conspiracy to commit espionage for stealing atomic bomb secrets from the united states a ruling that would later lead to their execution we are talking about a time largely ruled by hysteria anti-communism sentiment and a fear of the unknown in light of the development of the atomic bomb his story has judged this case from many angles including those who call what happened or staying on america's history robert marable is one of ethel and julius julie rosenberg's two sons and also the founder of rosenberg fund for children. hey there robert

you were six years old from what i understand when your parents were killed and how sixty years later has history judged what happened well we're all. my you know you were. and but. your interior. while. fear and or on your. own there are. all of you. talk about what it's been like for you over the last few decades certainly a lot of things have changed in this world what is been most significant in terms of you know being the son of the rose and burns and what's happened over the years

. well i think wrong period importantly lay it. on me or it. will drop people or laurie believe that if we can before they must be they must be born with a government that would be a pun people or government when the lot of people girls aren't that naive brought in from what i think how we need that much you can see the war at ninety feet where they're looking already the american public if it was ignored or appears that it was wrong our way of life that a national security precedent or a liberty for the un our way of life it would be the right word for gore i think you would. hear the and so our. parents

who were primed with a good year period now he is who you are for so very long poem oh very. well in some ways and probably haven't really thought about i want to draw a connection now i mean it in many ways is that your parents ethel and julius rosenberg were kind of the whistleblowers of sixty years ago and you just said in some ways things haven't really changed at all were it kind of connected what's happening with bradley manning this is the private first class who is accused of leaking accused by the way and not charge of leaking the documents classified documents to wiki leaks kept for twenty three hours a day in solitary confinement. do you think there's any connection do you think that's a fair connection to say that a lot of things happening in the bradley manning case are somewhat similar to what

happened to sixty years ago. well i think that the part of this that concerns you even most. certainly. is your guard deployed it's not. great. to be minutes from. where you first. immediately. found. and lose and that is the concern is. in my parents' case government had listened and greengrass my mother's younger brother and they convinced one of them that he would be here with he didn't cooperate and so he then pointed the finger that's not fair and. healthy here in the government that is. what i was good at what i believe. other than my you know i

made a situation where randy manning referred in a big green glow of wiki leaks. and become this however it seems to me that i'm like we. turned very quickly to save his own lyrics that a bradley manning is made up with stuff and it was using the blood and acolytes that case hasn't really gone. and that was robert marital activist and founder of rosenberg berg fund for children out of the son of julius and ethel rosenberg. i also discussed the rosenberg case with brian bakker national coordinator for the answer coalition and see not only president of russia government i asked them if it's fair to say that it's a connection rather and that his wiki leaks are private first class bradley manning in the modern day rosenberg here's what they have to say. what bradley manning is accused of doing is releasing classified documents that the new york times

published and that other mainstream media in europe published but what's important is that the military is treating him as if he could be and the charges are being prepared so that he could be sentenced to life in prison or executed for releasing these documents but the new york times suffer at the present and in that case too we're in you hear the republicans and conservatives in congress and in the media saying yes bradley manning should be if need be executed to to send a message to other people whistleblowers so in that sense i think there is a comparison even though some of the fact headlines are different things said bradley manning be executed for what he's done if he's convicted of doing what they said yes for that before i'll say it again but i don't think it's the comparison to look daniel ellsberg of the next year rosen bros war room whistleblowers they didn't give it to the new york times they gave it to the soviet union they're not whistleblowers their spies what what metta world manning is in charge of giving away is i think of such a nature it's destructive to our foreign policy just destructive to our national

interests and if he did all of what he's been accused of doing not charged yet as you point out i do i do think you deserve to be executed yes he's been tried in the media just as the rosenbergs were tried in the media he's been held he's been held incommunicado charges have not yet been pressed and yet he stripped naked every night i mean he's been held in a way that would be humiliating and considered a form of torture why because they're trying to do what yes when you when you look at when you keep people so it was when you knew probably your leaving or torture when you humiliate people when you degrade people it's a form of psychological psych apps terror and just as ethel rosenberg who they knew was in no way involved in any of this. espionage or to the extent that it existed the way she was held in a particular way threatened with death hoping that she would abandon her husband or start to name names so that the hysteria could grow that's the nature of. hysteria many people say that's something that they're it seems that they're trying to do is bradley manning in terms of trying it really giving it breaking him and getting

giving access to julian assange fran i want to go back to this point we did earlier interview the son of julius and ethel rosenberg and i presented a theory that's pretty common and he says he can buy at least part of it and that is the theory that the rosenbergs were disloyal to their country that they were of oil to their class they were loyal to the workers so you know if this is the case being one of their class instead of their country now let's take what's going on with the unions the people who say that they are most loyal to workers workers' rights does that mean that they should then you know the wealth of the communist party well i think it's perfectly legal in the united states would be loyal to the communist party or the party for socialism liberation or other socialist parties there's nothing wrong with that and tom innocent socialist understood that the soviet union in its tonsil it was the united states and then in nato in the in the late one nine hundred forty s. was not acting as an aggressor was not preparing nuclear weapons in order to drop them in other countries was in fact operating from a defensive posture the soviets lost twenty seven million and they were the ones

who principally defeated fascism then the chinese had a revolution in forty nine in the korean revolution the vietnamese revolution so working people around the world were in a state of uprising against colonial oppression and class oppression and they were sympathizers and activists and socialist and communist in the united states and of course they were loyal to that revolutionary process that you were seeking had on a few different aspects what did you want to touch and hundreds of across all the soviet for the defense of passionately forty's and early fifty's is a patently false absurd joke second of all the the there were the ones that were fostering the communist revolution workers communist revolution out in korea of the people i hear from you know now yeah yeah it's you know you can get you know is a very powerful leadership and if you can make all the people in vietnam rise up and corral your time your heart is there in taking your distance down and this and beyond that and if rosen.