alarms are going to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture a government train wreck is headed our way and guess who's behind the wheel republicans of the tea party seems to be succeeding in manipulating congress plus seniors and middle class workers may soon find their safety nets senator bernie sanders joins me live with his plan to save social security and the state with the worst unemployment numbers in the nation is about to be hit with yet another blow last unemployment benefits in our daily take i'll tell you how and most importantly

why michigan's republican governor rick snyder is planning to throw tens of thousands of michiganders off the unemployment. a government shutdown is looming to resole way at last republicans and democratic lawmakers can hammer out a new budget and recent reports suggest the two parties are tens of billions of dollars apart at the negotiating table means they're already positioning themselves to wage the next war cutting social security they claim that if you are already going to top what they have is that's and you have to get tough on entitlement programs right. this is true yesterday senator bernie sanders appeared at a back off social security rally and had this to say about that critical program.

social security has worked. eight it's fifty percent of the elderly big the number is too high but it's down to ten percent if you want to talk about the deficit talk about the us talk about tax breaks the co-ordinates. the wall street bailout. how about social security as month senator sanders also released his own proposal to cut the deficit but doesn't throw seniors in the working class under the bus by ripping apart america's social safety net senator sanders joins me now from capitol hill to talk about this issue and the best ways forward for america senator sanders welcome good to be with you great to have you here i had in my radio show today a koch brothers funded think tank guy who said with a totally straight face and said he had all the numbers to back it up by twenty forty all of our tax dollars are going to pay for two things the national debt or

interest on the national debt and social security and everything else will be wiped out through no not true at all in terms of social security. right now is an enormous amount of misinformation being thrown to the american people the reality is that social security has a two point six trillion dollars surplus the reality is that social security is one nickel to the deficit because it has a surplus and second of all it is funded by payroll. every worker in america or virtually every worker contributes six point two percent of his or her lawyer contributes six point two percent and that's what makes up the social security trust fund social security can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible american for the next twenty six years the attacks on social security i'm not based

on finances they are based on ideology and politics the right wing the republicans wall street don't like social security because it is a government program that has for the last seventy five years work extremely effectively paying out every nickel owed to every eligible american that is the clip that you played indicated it has gone a long way to reducing poverty among seniors helping people with disabilities and widows and orphans as well it is a government program that is working which is precisely why our republican friends don't like senator why are these guys and even the president's commission constantly bringing social security into the discussion about the budget deficit well i think for two reasons they're trying to confuse the american people on one hand they're saying look we have a one point six trillion dollar deficit therefore we've got to cut social security

no absolutely wrong it doesn't add up social security has a two point six trillion dollars surplus social security hasn't contributed a nickel to the deficit as i mentioned yesterday if you want to look at the deficit look at two unpaid was maybe a third unpaid war in libya. the tax breaks the hundreds of hundreds of billions we've given to the wealthiest people in this country look at the wall street bailout look at the medicare part d. prescription drug program written by the insurance companies and paid for look at the recession which is resulting in less revenue coming into the government those of the reasons why you have a deficit now the point that we are making is that if you want to deal with social security if you're really worried about the next beyond the next twenty six years. then what you want to do is lift the cap on in called sol that millionaires will be

paying more into the social security trust fund for the people who make our hundred six thousand dollars a year that will essentially solve social security for the next sixty or seventy years senator speaking of the of the budget deficit from the george washington administration to the ronald reagan administration other than a few problems for a few wars that we resolved fairly quickly we basically had no functional budget deficit it was under a trillion dollars ronald reagan came in at reagan cut taxes on billionaires down to twenty eight percent and the budget deficit or the budget the debt exploded clinton raised taxes on billionaires to thirty nine percent and we had a budget surplus bush cut taxes back down to thirty six percent and we're back to budget deficits why would anybody talk about this really simple math instead of always ranting about spending well tom got some excellent point and you're quite right the republicans clearly have won the narrative when you talk about you

talking about two things spending and revenue coming in we have given hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks that the top two percent today the effect of the real pacs rate for the richest people in this country is the lowest on record corporations who in general are in drawing record breaking profits in case after case after case are paying zero in taxes very little in taxes or in many cases they're actually getting refunds from the i.r.s. it seems to me that if we're serious about deficit reduction you can't simply do it as the republicans want by cutting head start and throwing hundreds of thousands of kids off that program cutting pell grants making college education. and affordable for millions of middle class and working class families cutting the social security

administration which will make it harder for up. to get what they are entitled to in a timely manner you can't do it by cutting e.p.a. alone by thirty percent you've got to raise revenue and what the republicans are saying you know we want to balance the budget but we're going to do it on the backs of the sick the elderly the poor those people who are most vulnerable but i am saying and others are saying but not enough it is you need shared sacrifice you've got to ask the wealthiest people in this country to also contribute to deficit reduction you've got to ask corporations like exxon mobil which a couple years ago they die nine hundred billion in profits and ended up paying nothing in taxes and getting a refund from the i.r.s. you've got to start asking those large corporations to start paying taxes as well senator you've proposed legislation a tax millionaires and congresswoman jan schakowsky broke the news of her proposed tax for millionaires sitting right here next to me on this show

a few weeks ago do you think either of your proposals years in the senate here in the house will gather steam as more and more average working people realize how badly they're being screwed well i can tell you this there was a wall street n.b.c. poll a couple of weeks ago and this is what the polls. what do you think the best way is to move toward deficit reduction eighty one percent of the people thought that a surtax on families earning a million dollars a year or more was a good idea eighty one percent then they said people what do you think is the worst way to go toward deficit reduction and people say social security so the american people believe in the concept of shared sacrifice they think when the wealthiest people today are doing phenomenally well their taxes have gone down they should contribute so the american people are already there and i think the more they learn

about the issue they will be there even more the problem is obviously in this congress you have a whole lot of folks republicans and some democrats who are not looking at the needs of ordinary people or rather the needs of the very very wealthy but i'm going to do everything that i can to make sure that people play a role in deficit reduction and you just don't balance that on working families or low income people and to their point senator with two minutes or so we have left. doesn't this really speak to the corrosive impact of money in politics and the whole how the political it's changed since citizens united and what can the average citizen do about this well it certainly does speak for the role of money in politics i mean you just look at a time first of all in terms of good public policy the right thing to do you don't cut back on pell grants when so many families today are desperately trying to get

pick kids a college education you don't cut back on the head start program when we know that it is enormously successful in preventing kids from dropping out of school you don't cut back on e.p.a. environmental protection agency when the vast majority of the american people want to make sure that we're breathing clean air and the water we drink is safe. but because of the power money in congress the power of law abuse the large corporate interests to wield so much influence you know what you are seeing is congress certainly the republicans and too many democrats just looking at spending spending spending cuts and the debate is well do you call this that how much do you call it rather than saying what is the they are approach what is the best approach for it so very very well said senator bernie sanders thanks for joining us tonight and to be with you. senator sanders an amazing man well i have a plan to protect social security also and my loss will revive the economy let me

tell you about it it's pretty straightforward stuff it's called cash for geezers it starts out with the theory of the david ricardo arguably the second or third most famous economist in history back in eight hundred seventeen laid out he called his iron rod wages and it basically says that when you get a lot of unemployed people wages crash and when the labor market tightens up and you've got more employers looking for workers than there are workers in other words when the thing then wages go up pretty simple straightforward stuff so the goal to raise wages which increases taxes is to reduce the work force right to reduce the number of people looking for a job reduce unemployment by reducing the workforce so my suggestion is drop the eligibility age for social security to fifty five years old. right now it's sixty five dropping down to fifty five maybe even fifty what this will do is a couple of things about first of all only about half of the seniors around will

take advantage of people like working after they're you know in their fifty's and sixty's and seventy's but about half of would probably take advantage of it and by doing that what's going to happen is after those people which is you know a few million people are going to remove themselves from the labor market now when you get two three four five six million people pulling themselves out of the labor market suddenly your unemployment rate drops like crazy unemployment rate drops goes down and what happens wages start going up because now employers have to compete to get workers as wages go up guess what happens people earning more money they're paying more taxes so they're raising the increase in tax collections from this program pays for the increase in dropping the social security the eligibility age and in the process rebuilds the middle class the variation on the same thing is what france did back fifteen twenty years ago thereabouts they were having a recession and they said ok how do we reduce our labor force now instead of taking

all elderly people or fifty five years old with it instead of taking older people out of the labor force what they said is we're going to cut the work week from forty hours down to thirty five hours which is pretty much where it still is and in doing so what they did is they actually reduced unemployment drop wages at an increased tax collections so there's a precedent for this the theory works as i said i call it cash for geezers not rob to see it tried. coming up fourteen days that's the length of it's republicans have to meet in the middle of the budget road for a merge or drive their separate ways so.

let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think. either one of twelve. whenever the government says they are keeping safe get ready because of their freedom. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realized everything you saw you don't i'm

sorry. as we discussed earlier negotiations in congress to prevent a government shutdown have reportedly fallen through senate majority leader harry

reid placed the blame on the tea party on the republicans the tea party who were refusing to compromise on budget negotiations reid said the infighting between the tea party of the rest of the republican party is keeping our negotiating partner away from the negotiating table one of the main obstacles in the budget negotiations is demands by republicans to defund planned parenthood and obamacare in other words republicans are arguing that it wasn't disadvantaged women and more than fifty two million people nationwide and uninsured people are blocked from access to health care they'll shut down the government so how is that a winning position and what exactly are republicans really trying to do for more on this i'm joined by democratic strategist erica kennedy and bill kirk the president of americans for prosperity. bill welcome. welcome back to the program it's great to have you both here with us erika first of all harry reid says the tea party is effectively killing the budget negotiations the tea party is largely funded by the

koch brothers or at least was initially. does this mean the two billionaires have the power to shut down the government well i mean i wouldn't say that necessarily to billionaires are the ones saying you know you guys go ahead and create a problem shut down the government but i would say that absolutely that the tea party does have the ability to shut down the government and it appears i mean boehner is going to be a problem in that he has a lot of young freshman members and you know they they whine a lot of seats but you know they've been incontinent for just a couple of months and something like that budgets very complicated it takes a lot of time to be good at it and to really understand how these things kind of fit together and i have a lot of people that are just going to you know tie hard dive then without looking back into this kind of abyss concerning i think it's concerning because there's a lot of republicans that have been around for twenty years have the same rhetoric and talking points and and beliefs but aren't you know ready to and so are everything in one hundred percent of these new tea party freshman one hundred

percent of them deny the existence of climate change for example you know i don't believe in science phil cuts to working class women and children seniors shared sacrifice bernie was talking about can you identify for me one just one cut that will affect millionaires and billionaires and the proposals that are being put forward by the republicans well i think that ideally we should cut almost every program that exists in the federal budget i think there's waste fraud and abuse everywhere and in particular willingness to take on the defense side i think affects everyone and i think it's certainly good faith and as well as nothing more republicans on board know about that as well i think that there certainly is a willingness in in h.r. one the house passed bill and let's remember republicans in the house passed the full year continuing resolution democrats want even put forward a plan in the senate so the house they've done actually. they've passed the full year continues resolution to the resolution of the service saying we're going to break some of the air that's not over a number of carriers and they're going to honor a number of changes in there and one of the most significant was cutting funding

for the alternative engine for the joint strike fighter and your mark for g.e. and other left wing companies like world rolls royce that democrats are trying to defend now there are a number of cuts in h.r. one including in defense on the non-defense side i think it's a good start towards much more aggressive spending reduction i think that the most important so you can do so in to get bold is a little i do want to brush it under control is the block around a lot of these welfare programs to repeat the bipartisan success of ninety nine was that i think there are leaders of the notation and i can actually name you program that is going to affect them it's going to be the s.e.c. watchdog finding on the table here is cuts to essentially the wall street reforms that are important in wall street and the mess there took took this economy down and these are some of the most wealthy billionaires in the country exactly and so there as we were going to cut as you see stunning to watch job the very people that threw us in an economic mess so i mean that well you look at things like the whistleblower provisions which are a pure giveaway to the trial lawyers they can get a huge take out your you don't have to. go to. well to somebody just ripped us off

for trillions of dollars a lot longer i think that you want to sort of as i said the minority and women inclusion that every special interest got something in the twenty three hundred page bill i think and what i think i think i think them do we care a great deal interest and that american people have an interest in seeing their being reform on wall street so you asked the american people in the general welfare the economy is this national interest and i'm sorry but i'm going to leave my little poured from their own commission they said only going to close somebody's commission then we didn't wait for the report to give us something what do you know republicans really want to do they want to cut spending or do they want to cut the deficit because a lot of these provisions in here that they're talking about cutting is actually going to raise the cap and say if they cut the funding for health care that is going to increase that's happened at the health care bill if they have magic math all right i mean after the. then cutting funding for planned parenthood is going to encourage can and you to the actuary of many of you said the actuary of medicare said i'm required by law to put these phony baloney numbers out there pretend this

law reduce the deficit i do not believe them here a set of realistic assumptions and he showed that the law will dramatically worse than medicare finance so i think we all know there was a lot of money in their advantage or medicare to achieve medicare read the alternate assumptions in the actuary report in the appendix but it's very very very panicle is actually a private for profit program it's medicare has been drilled full of holes over the years by republicans and then people like united health care come in to fill those holes. which is why i stated hensley's me and i don't want to do it i don't want to force you to buy health insurance from one of those handful of companies were favored by the low push to get it through and who want the mandates a goose there probably want to be nice and you want to make sure that i get the same better health insurance for a lower price for my gov we're just i what i want real regional accusations and divert you think we're just going to let insurance companies drop children when they get cancer are not right you know you're just going to act of compassion meditation and one on one of the you know harry reid is complaining that the republicans are are can't come to the table because the tea party is tying them up

a one of the senior republicans today made the comment that ok what we're going to do is a series of continuing resolutions short term budget fixes you know will go we'll give you a month when you get two months this month you pull thirty million bucks out obama's put thirty billion on the table this this this mall in thirteen months you pull thirty billion out then the next two months you pull another ten billion out of the next and eventually by the end of the year we'll have pulled out all the stuff that we want to pull out the democrats won't have taken the political heat for it because it will have been incremental and nobody will notice that the republicans will have gotten what they want is is that actually a possible scenario i mean i'm here in this room both i think it's sensible look one of the things we've seen with the short term here in resolutions that we are seeing spending cuts i would like to see much deeper cuts given the fact. that spending it's the later is historical to get our supplies to go along with those who are going to they've been forced into this i mean that the real i don't think that anybody wants that it's not a good way it's not a comprehensive way to look at actually what we're spending and make sure that

we're spending smartly and efficiently if you want to government waste fraud and abuse you can go ahead and kind of selectively just chisel out money on continuing resolutions you're not looking at overall programs continuing resolution just continues previous spending that doesn't allow you to raise that actually your answer because i would love to see the senate pass h.r. one so we can turn the page to fiscal two thousand and twelve as it was the right way as the regular order unfortunately the tea party didn't win the senate back and they didn't win the white house and now we have a government that has multiple branches and house has to have a balance and this is a team sport you have to be willing to negotiate you have to be willing to sit at the table and the problem for the tea party and first i mean originally boehner came out why didn't the done with the school two thousand and eleven spending bill last year when they controlled every thing i mean well first of all let's let's go back here for a second boehner said that why didn't the thirty billion to eleven building i think that we're talking about going to serve now but my point is the democrats utterly failed if they didn't fund the government they don't do in the lab that were nice led to this it led there were multiple times when the economy had just turned

twenty that needed to get confirmed because we have an idea that all you're going to literally go out why do you have to get we are going to rush into what i would ever get done after the election to have a grain of the twin towers to a head of all of you who are going to extract that money to hire your shoulder so you could be had by the by the minute how do i have two quick questions number one why is nobody seem to access when bill clinton did we actually had a budget surplus and secondly if you feel when has cutting benefits to women and children ever been politically advantageous to any political party well i would suggest that tax increases were not what led to prosperity in the ninety's it was the nine hundred ninety seven balanced budget agreement combined with the tax cut it was in the reconciliation bill that year the cuts the capital gains tax which i believe triggered a long boom so i think that if we want to look at the things that are going to do it worked. wouldn't look at the increase. of the last thirty seconds cutting welfare spending where i'm going to say here is that when we had the tax cuts on

the table there was no talk about how important the deficit was for budget spending or reducing spending that it was perfectly fine to spend money that we didn't have right now we were going to cut five billion out of n.p.r. but it doesn't have that so let me make a dent in what we handed over to the richest people in this country at the expense of the vast majority and at the expense of of everybody and the i would say the overall prosperity of our country is that if this if you project cuts continue to grow even goldman sachs has said that we will lose seven hundred thousand jobs we have not i mean we have stopped losing jobs at the same way we want to tell you we have a ground this is a political winner i want to get people off the rolls get them on to work i want to do about it and he said all right that is a service that i want to. thank you very incensed truth is that the republicans want the government to shut down and they want our economy to its hank i'll have more on this in just a few minutes when we look at what happens when republican policies are inaccurate in democracy fill us.

it's the good the bad of the very mind boggling really ugly first the good the progressive. and democracy for america the two progressive groups are hitting high gear in their efforts to recall wisconsin republican state senators who illegally strip rights from public workers they've launched a one hundred thousand dollar ad campaign targeting six senators and are pledging to succeed in the recall by the end of this year good work the bad steve doocy on fox so-called news two weeks ago do so you see in fox so-called news exhausted themselves lavishing praise and congressman peter king for investigating american muslims but this morning as democratic senator dick durbin began his hearings he did discrimination against american muslims do you see on fox do c.

and fox are speaking in a different tone. today's hearing led by senator dick durbin focuses on the rise of anti muslim bigotry and discrimination and it comes just two weeks after our next guest the highly criticized hearing to discuss muslim radicalization in the united states so is this move by durbin just political pandering with no do see what you do is political pandering every morning on fox news let me get this straight hearing on violence perpetrated by american muslims that's patriotic but hearing and violence perpetrated against american muslims that's andrew is making sense anyway and a very very ugly republican rick man on dog santorum in a radio interview this morning santorum put his finger right on what's wrong with america's social security program and why it's losing money or should. it. these insoles security is in big trouble if we don't have enough workers to support the

retirees well third of all the young people in america are not in america today because of abortion because one in three pregnancies had an abortion and so we are to be populating this country it's through a policy that does not support families this does not encourage families to have children to support them when they are there we do have those children and of course the second aspect which is even more important which is the abortion culture in this country so i want to just come out in favor of immigration reform seriously there are twenty million un and underemployed americans and this guy is worried about abortion cutting down our workforce is this guy even listening coming out of his mouth and very very. coming up the koch brothers are they really the green eyed greedy monsters just out for profits and wealth or are they just misunderstood by the left wing the truth after the break.