i don't want really happening to the global economy much stronger a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. there's a report on our. book and they alone are show that the real headlines with none of the mercy to a lot of washington d.c. it's now day ten of the u.s. and nato battle taking place in libya so we'll continue to update you on the latest from the country and we'll get a fresh perspective on the issue from sally mcnamara and scott horton and i will focus on the latest victims of scott walker and the anti-union legislation yesterday we told you about professors who are being targeted by conservative think tank having their e-mails pulled through the freedom of information act so today

we'll speak with one of the professors to get his take on what he thinks is really going on and we'll tell you about hunger strikes taking place across the country why it's because aid to provide food for the poor is on the budget chopping block so i'll speak with one of the people leading this strike and the president addressed the country today but this time he was directing attention toward securing our energy so we'll have details on his proposal and how easing our dependence on foreign oil will just mean more drilling here at home all these stories and much more it's a night show but first our top story. looks like a limited humanitarian intervention a limited scope operation a.j. a kinetic military operation in libya is no longer so limited are the rebels unable to make significant advances against gadhafi forces officials are now grappling with the idea of arming the rebels with the u.k. and france and support the u.s. saying it's an option and nato resisting countries like russia and india are also

saying that it could be illegal but it might even go further than that reports came out today that president obama has now signed a secret order calling it called a presidential finding authorizing covert u.s. government support for the rebel forces so if anybody out there is still convinced this is not a war joining me is selling out or is a war excuse me joining me to discuss this sally mcnamara senior policy analyst in european affairs at the heritage foundation and scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine i want to thank you both for joining me tonight now let's get something clear here right if we look at this entire operation and we look at the fact that it's turned into more than just a no fly zone we also now have some of these low flying. low flying technologies on the ground which are helping the rebels so it's no longer just about saving civilians i think initially the immediate reason for going in it looked as if he was going to fall it looked as if the opposition was going to be totally overrun

and we were going to have pictures of ten twenty thirty thousand dead bodies on the street and the u.n. took immediate action they passed the resolution and there was this no fly zone but if you think about it i mean i think of all this was one of his weaknesses he needed to be honest from the start what is the point of trying to restore a stalemate i mean where was that going i think one of the weaknesses of this operation and it's not just obama it's really in general will be going away what will success look like and i think there is been a bit of a failure to communicate but i think you're absolutely right that it could never happen it would have been crazy to say that our. get if it is just to get back to the way they were seven days ago we did it's one critique also to say that perhaps the obama administration just didn't have any idea of what they were doing that they went into this operation without any kind of plan but we also like to because the president spoke to the american people on monday night right and he continued along with this stance that this is all for it humanitarian purposes offer saving civilians but the washington post actually which reported yesterday that we had

these ac three hundred thirty s. and they say tens flying there apparently they've been holding on to that information for the last week which the government asked them to do what do you say . well it seems to me it's clear that there was tension from the outset between this being a humanitarian mission commander an intervention an intervention on behalf of one side and a civil war to advance them and even if you look at the text of the security council resolution it's clear the u.s. the u.k. and france preserves some space to be a little bit more aggressive on behalf of. the rebels here they preserve space to support to supply them with arms for instance so i think there's always been a contradiction but i have to say currently i'm skeptical that even at the outset this was really entirely a humanitarian intervention and we have a use for mark hosenball words about the presidential candidates and i think this this invites attention back to reports but going back ten days and two weeks ago

arms of christ coming in to the rebels from the egyptians who gyptian military who regularly acted as a proxy for the americans in the region so i suspect very strongly the u.s. has been supporting the rebels here that is to say it is intervening on one side of the conflict so what does that put us into contradiction with our allies here with nato who are supposed to be a leading us operation with or actually who they're supposed to be leading the operation right the u.s. is. said that we've stepped back but if we've been covertly ve. already supplying the rebels with arms then how does that come into play i think is a bit of a near miss i'm sorry but i think it's a bit of a mischaracterization to say that this is a civil war i think what we had was this past the superior guy who was murdering people and they were trying to react with a little small arms that they had so i think initially there was a major humanitarian element here and to get to u.n.

resolutions i think that demonstrates that there was massive concern about the libyan people then i think you get to the next question which you initially started with what next and i'm not entirely sure that the president didn't lay that out on monday this seems to be a little bit of an amateur nature about this is if it's being made up on the hook i think hillary clinton did a good job when she was on the shows this sunday explaining what they want to do why this and why they think this is legitimate because the obvious question is why are we in syria why only in iran my own way and i think hillary clinton really is coming and doing the running on this i think the french and the british you've also let the sport front and obama has played a bit of catch of i don't think that is a healthy thing when you're the commander in chief of the most powerful country on earth but is it really catch up or perhaps i don't know is it miscommunication of by accident or on purpose i mean we also when talking about these rebels that we are considering arming or who we may already be arming a third party we don't know who they are and this is something that we've also

heard different messages from coming from president obama and hillary clinton i'd like to play a short clip here of what they have to say. tonight to look for work but we're stopped it off is that we advance. all right that was the wrong clip but since we played that one i do want to ask you do you think that that was a big mistake on obama's part i mean a lot of people said that that was just like george bush's mission accomplished moment that was monday night he reported we've stuff adoptee's advance here we are it's wednesday and now we're seeing that it really is becoming more of a stalemate. well i think he really wanted to get out a message there which is that the main period of u.s. involvement is asked and now we're handing the baton a lock to our allies to take the lead and i'm very skeptical that they that's going to correspond to the facts i think he overstated it and i think it's also clear that this is

a point of supporting the rebels as opposed to surely protecting innocent civilians is certainly a bigger rhymed with in the alliance particularly with nato i mean we have the u.s. u.k. and france are prepared to take a much more aggressive position other nato members germany for instance turkey are much more skeptical about this and standoffish and i think this is one of the reasons why we've seen the delay in the name nato take over command of the operation i was going to take a quick break and throw to our story here looking into you know politically financially whether the u.s. really can afford this war to r.t. i think in a shows us the price tag of being involved in battles in three different countries or four or five depending on how many counts at once. the u.s. has cultivated him and if you will events with which it invades nations or one or two or three locations change the list of enemies grows the habit becomes harder to

chic even as the costs rack up military spending casualties and the steam broiled image that is the real toll of america's wars in iraq afghanistan and libya the three currency was about feels let's take a look at what they cost five and a half thousand people that's the official american death toll in iraq and afghanistan another seventy thousand the estimated number of injured u.s. soldiers. while some one hundred seventeen thousand are thought to be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder but we're also looking at the number of people that are being killed by u.s. actions and there we're going up into. millions it's estimated at one hundred thousand to one million in iraq and their dead with horror million displaced aaron emery after tour in iraq is tired of the u.s. trying to run the rest of the world american way of life doesn't work everywhere we've seen this over and over again it failed when we tried to bring it to korea

vietnam iraq i mean what we got on in libya now it never works. it will only work with the people want it but if they want it they're going to do it on their own something the west did not allow the libyans money the u.s. is the proud owner of the largest defense budget in the world and we have fifty four percent of federal tax dollars going into the fence and into the destruction of afghanistan and iraq and you have to really wonder how crazy this country is and how total military expenditure could be nearing a staggering nine hundred billion. because the war is expensive iraq has cost an estimated three trillion dollars that was enough money to fix the social security problem in the united states for fifty years you know we're afghanistan another three trillion if we just took two hundred forty three troops two hundred forty

three that's all that's merely a drop in the bucket for the hundreds of thousands that are up in iraq now that i'm on a c one thirty i'm fluent back we'd save enough money to fund a higher education for all of afghanistan for the entire year those wars is not over and done the attack on libya kicked off the tab for the first ten days five hundred and fifty million dollars with another one hundred twenty million to be pumped in over the next three weeks are most effective alliance nato has taken command of the enforcement of the arms embargo and the no fly zone followed by a monthly allowance of forty million dollars they said that there. nato's in charge nader has the whole backwards is usa another list tangible price of war we soaring anti-american sentiment chipping away at a self-proclaimed key to successful diplomacy for generations the united states of

america has played a unique role as an anchor of global security and as an advocate for human freedom the united states is losing influence its. looks now as some sort of a democratic nation and. looks like a good receiver will mark it's especially considering the nazis hasn't won the war decisively since the end of world war two and while former soldiers certainly get it if you look at all the animosity towards the us today it comes from our military interventions politicians seem blissfully unaware and in our party new york. so clearly there are a lot of questions here especially as to whether the u.s. can afford another war financially and politically but you know scott i was really so taken i was just thinking about the fact that like you said that we may already be arming these rebels i can't get over the amount of dishonesty if really that is

the case and the other thing is that hillary clinton came before congress today or she didn't go for the she spoke to a few members of congress and apparently told them that obama will refuse it to be shackled by any resolutions that they try to pass to try to curtail this new conflict or this new war in libya so i mean how was he acting here he didn't ask congress he didn't even address the fact that he didn't ask congress when he addressed the nation you know a week after starting a new war and now he's saying that congress is no good he doesn't care a whole staff on anything if they try to stop an. well i think you have to say exactly not a whole lot right president bush in fact he criticized president bush for using imperial war powers awaiting war without consulting congress and advancement out of training appropriate clearances and i think the case could be made much more strongly that barack obama and sell has done that and indeed he has not gotten and

the form of the vote in congress and a few days before the first bombs were dropped in libya his national security adviser was telling reporters that this did not affect essential national security interests he was sending a message that he was not going to go there militarily so i you know there has not been so to function has not been played and we haven't had a public discussion of the cost issues for instance which are really important here the country should know what this effort is going to cost it and what it's going to do to the military it's not simply a question of whether it's a good thing to go in and protect civilians in libya who everyone would agree to that. czar do you think congress also means the defense cuts are completely off the table now that we've got a head start of a brand new war what i think we've been cutting defense far too much anyway because we have been fighting other wars and the robbing peter to pay paul what we should deficit get you know having just spent over all we have been putting off

modernization in order to fund the wars so you're taking away from the long term from the short term that's what i mean by cutting events you want to call it gutting defense but we should always remember here and this is slightly different but when it comes to iraq and afghanistan the u.s. said that this was in our vital national interest and in the constitution you are mandated to provide for the common defense i mean nowhere does it say in the constitution we need a massive stimulus plan no way really does it say we need social security all the other things that we like but it does say that you have to provide for the common defense so i think you're absolutely right that we need to take a hard look about where we're going with defense call it a look in the long term because these things cannot completely unexpected we often don't have a lot of warning the things we need for our defense some fifty years and no and the airplanes and all those sorts of things we're going to need them going forward so over the long term we've got a plan what i question whether these things really come up so unexpectedly right here because we don't the u.s. does not have the best history of army people because after all we are people you

know as we might be doing here with rebels in libya then those people end up being our enemies later on we end up fighting the same people whom we've armed you know against the same weapons that we've given them so are you making another mistake and it is that kind of pave the way for a constant war. i think it does mean you're gonna spend gave us everything sample already but when we went in and are in the mujahideen and it's a civil war there right at back the title of arms today many of them were trained supplied by u.s. taxpayers and u.s. funds u.s. support whether the concerns about libya right now is that we go in and we start arming the rebels who are the rebels they're not an organized army it's a collection of everybody who leech good are. so. others who might present a serious threat so this is are being asked to be approached very very cautiously and i think we are seeing a great deal of caution on this if this was simple and we know exactly who the

other side laws i didn't know would be this that they that we're seeing so i think we are moving cautiously and justly russia slate tell me how is it conscious if we say that we don't even know who these rebels are so we again we don't know who we might be arming who we might be helping we've already established that we clearly are picking sides here in this civil conflict how is that conscious i feel like that puts you in so much more risk for the future and more stuff we need is who's the american head of nato command has been in front of congress the past few days and he said there was not a clear picture about the opposition and i think that's honest however i think our intelligence on libya on the ground is full stronger than the intelligence we had in iraq and afghanistan for example and in many other countries libya put down its chemical weapons program a number of years ago and invited weston businesses and so i think our intelligence is likely to be much better there i don't think it's a complete picture but i think we have some ideas and the thought that the president isn't giving every last bit of information i mean this is the way wolf

they goes you don't want to reveal your whole hand i have confidence that they have some intelligence i don't think it's perfect intelligence of course well and also as we learned today really quickly to wrap it up that obama apparently has signed this finding what does that mean that we have cia operations on the ground. it's a yes i may order basically it says that the cia may offer assistance to these rebels so the doors open the presidential finding said that may and i think this goes back three weeks it's likely at this point if action has been taken on those findings we still don't know the scope we don't know specifically received the weapons we have there were kind of weapons have been provided but i'll tell you i don't think they're looking for a cape or the sevens are immune issue and what the rebels really need here are weapons to take out trains heavy sophisticated weaponry and so a very dangerous thing to be handing out in a place like libya and that's something that many analysts have already said could

take months if not years to actually arm these people hand these things out train them how to use it all so i want to thank you both for joining us tonight but it's a me it sounds like there's still a lot of deception involved in this new war that are now standing by this is into launch air strikes in libya president obama nato and the u.n. all asserted were there to protect civilians from colonel gadhafi forces and from what we've seen discussed many are questioning how much that military involvement really has to do with those efforts are to scale import has more on the debate over the responsibility to protect. when it comes to receiving international help. not all countries are created equal. the u.s. and nato are in libya under the doctrine of responsibility to protect responsibly to protect was born out of the stellar to respond everyone to. the failures to respond to holocaust genocides around the world created by the un and

praised by advisers close to president obama are to pete states that sovereignty is a privilege not a right and you have a responsibility as a sovereign country to not massacre girls and that the international community can intervene when governments abuse their own people. but critics say r two p. is riddled with prosy and self interests and even call it as i would say humanitarian peerless. number of places where they're supporting dictators and also for which the first president obama justified his decision to bomb libya and r.t. if you ground some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities another conference united states of america is different . and as president i refuse to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action. but as a candidate for president said our two p. wasn't sufficient to keep u.s.

forces in iraq quote by that argument you would have had three hundred thousand troops in the congo right now where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife which we haven't done human rights activists david does though because the turmoil in his native uganda there was guilty because people were killed you can do to counter them but unlike oil rich libya ugandans waited decades for help and when it came david says it was too late and failed because everybody kept on saying that you know we have to use force you know to stop the war that doesn't work sometimes we need to talk and yes and i think we failed a failure critics say is being repeated in libya even as advocates say it will become the new model for humanitarian intervention. but as to the bombs have dropped critics say the intervention isn't over so who's going to do the rebuilding is according to the so-called democracy more than you can see it's like the

national down for mark to see over from the institute and sort of so forth are going to be mercenaries boots on the ground to protect these marshes. and bombings continue in libya repression and violence rages on in syria u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton quote condemned the actions of the syrian government but not of the united states has responsibility to protect their own ford artsy washington d.c. . still to come on tonight's show republicans in wisconsin are taking on labor professors apostle state governor scott walker and his republican allies are going after a large group of professors who could have spoken about the g.o.p.'s move to take away collective bargaining rights for workers so when we come back we'll speak with a professor who think hard to. get some closure see a story and it seems so for life is if you understand it and then you glimpse something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you thought you

knew you don't know i'm sorry blog is a big issue. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right now. i think the bombing be the one well. we never got the feds the bird keep him safe get ready because you give them their freedom. hi guys welcome to shelly's hell on the on

a shelf with part of our guests up to say on the topic now i want to hear our audience just go on to you tube the video response or the twitter profile of the questions that we post on you tube every monday and on thursday in the show your responses we've played your go. we told you this week about the attack on labor professors by the right wing started in wisconsin where the republican party launched a legal effort to look at the e-mail archives of professor william cronin who wrote

blogs and a new york times op ed on the situation in wisconsin then yesterday we learned from talking points memo that a conservative think tank in michigan had made a broad public records requests to at least three in-state universities with departments that specialize in labor they're seeking all emails regarding the union battle ensconced in governor scott walker and for some reason and that's n.b.c.'s rachel maddow and they say that it's just an investigation to see what labor studies professors are saying about was constance union battle but is it really more of an intimidation campaign a return to the dark days of mccarthyism joining me to discuss it is dr merritt masters director of the labor studies program at wayne state university and one of the professors who's e-mails are being targeted dr masters thank you so much for joining us tonight now like i said you're just one of many of professors who are being targeted here and they're saying that they does want to see what you guys are saying what you're talking about when it comes to this labor battle but how do you see it. well i presume they want to improve my email certs skills and my own

those skills but the fact of the matter is they're trying to find out if we at wayne state and university of michigan and michigan state university systematically attempted to facilitate in orchestrate the protests become michigan i mean in wisconsin the reality is it's bad and that is not the case i've been far too busy with other things to have any chance to really focus on what's going on in wisconsin although i'm deeply concerned about it but there's no doubt they want to go through with a fine tooth comb and find out if i didn't age in any systematic effort in that regard but would you call it intimidation campaign when some people like it that even gone to far as comparing it to a david joseph mccarthy. well it could have that effect but i'm not going to let it have that. everybody has a right to file a freedom of information act request and we're complying with. the general counsel's office they will be getting the information to be requested to the extent

that the general counsel. deems it appropriate but at the same time i'm not going to hesitate to speak my mind on the issues that are appropriate within the rules that the university staff were guarding in prohibiting presented quite to the so what have you been telling your students if you look at what's been going on with content or other states across the country if you look at ohio or indiana where we have similar legislation all threatening collective bargaining rights from union well a lot of people may not know this but i'm professor of business i've been a professor business for thirty years and i think it's in the business school i teach a class in business negotiations we don't spend a whole lot of time talking about what's going on in wisconsin but i always try and present a fair and balanced approach to everything i do not use a classroom as a corporate form to indoctrinate or proselytize students and i don't use it for that purpose but do you think that there can be a bit of a great area right because as workers of the state the professors are not allowed

to try to plan an organized political process on their own but what if one of your likes or so inspires a student that they then choose to you know to plan a protest that they might throw your name in there they might say that you were their inspiration. sure i mean there is always a lot of gray area in this area and i think we need to be mindful that academic freedom exists for a reason and so that people can not be intimidated expressing their views on important public policy issues i believe it's important for people on my staff including myself to feel free to speak out on these public policy questions in the appropriate forms and also to engage in activities to express themselves i have an op ed piece that i'm going to send out now on what i think is wrong with the approach that various states are taking and trying to restrict collective bargaining rights it's not an attack on scott walker or any other governor including brookside or in the state of michigan it's really an attempt to address factually what i think are some misguided policies but i'm just so confused because

i think if they that wisconsin is the center of this label labor battle your michigan rachel maddow is somebody who just worked for a foreign news channel why are you involved in this freedom of information act request well i think they suspect that we might have been behind the efforts to organizing and facilitate the protests that have gone on in wisconsin but the fact of the matter is there have been a lot of protests in the state of michigan the protests in the state of ohio if i were trying to engage in that i'd have to probably quit my job and do something else along the lines of full time organizing protesters but that's a massive i want to thank you very much for joining us and you definitely team to be a good sport about this i know that i would be feeling good at posing your position i know that a lot of other professors out there are feeling that being unfairly targeted thank you for joining us. for much now so to come on tonight show possible candidate for president next year says that you can blame.