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but. the next season into the show spotlight without enough so they his guest is next in the russian the president's special representative in africa who talks about the situation in libya. oh yeah no walking just part of life. today my guest. the libyan rebels have so far proved to be unable to overcome the heavily armed forces loyal to colonel combat the international coalition are providing cover for the rebels. no fly zone the next step in promoting democracy in libya is a possible ground intervention by the us from. russia abstained from voting in the

spirit council pray she was authorized by the u.n. but what is russia if you. were asking the special representative of the russian president. with the african countries mikhail margelov. well they call it a bombing gadhafi forces in libya europe is split over the few shops operation became arguello is an expert on the african continent the police conflicts in the region not a global crisis. and streams of refugees. he says has to give up double standards but right now europe is much more worried about oil prices but human rights and democracy problems in africa. thanks they say. well i'd like to start with

a quote from. the people around him are starting to recognize that their options are limited and their days numbered and quote this russia share this assessment how long do you thing. could it take. the national coalition to ask well actually of course we share the vision that the time for the duffy and his allies inside libya is very limited but i do not share personally the view that the coalition of the coalition should oust gadhafi from libya it's the issue which should be solved by the libyan people and the thing is that probably you can impose the no fly zone over libya but you cannot impose democracy in that country. you can introduce many ideas from

abroad what you cannot implement them being a foreigner even an armed foreigner representing the international military coalition so as long as the rebels who fight against gadhafi are partially successful as long as they stay in benghazi and a very narrow area around the. mediterranean sure. we shall be seeing a long lasting civil war and it will look a little like a never ending story you said that the that the rebels themselves should oust gadhafi if if he's unpopular but they proved to be unsuccessful they proved through and proved to be impossible for people to overthrow that he said so now it's the work of the international coalition well actually it will what we're seeing now a lead be a we see a very bloody civil war and we see casualties on both sides we see

a lot of destroyed buildings we see a lot of the destroyed vehicles and we see that the rebels. who are not. so to speak an organized. political opposition they did you know have a leader they do little to lead exactly they don't even have a leader they're just ordinary people who take weapons from the army or police arsenals they are themselves and the they're trying to to to to fight against. the military units who still support. in large numbers of colonel gadhafi and his government of the message rewards which we were seeing in the very beginning of the uprising the success the quick success of the opposition who are concrete almost all the cities. in the mediterranean area and even in the desert not. we see the reverse situation could duffy looks to be stronger his army seems to be more active

and more efficient and of course we have another third party in that conflict we have an international coalition which is trying to pave the way for. a while for a while first war and think about the rebels are on their way to tripoli so you are specialists in the region one of the best in the country. then she you share their opinion that. whenever. a three star in a leader like that is overthrown in a country like libya it doesn't necessarily mean more democracy sometimes even even the country well first of all unfortunately very often it means a vacuum vacuum of power vacuum of control as an initial step of that movement from authoritarianism to democracy we see the thank you for example in iraq now the last party was demolished and the vertical of power was destroyed

the military arsenals were open people got arms for nothing and we see less of power we saw the so-called elections in iraq which to my mind were mostly the simulation or real elections and which to my mind also undermines the ideal of western style elections in the arab world in an islamic world as a whole what we may see in libya after the all seeing of chemical duffey we may see a competition between different. competing groups representing different different cities different municipalities different tribes who are located in the libyan desert and it will be very important for the mt could the forces to get prepared force. do after gadhafi today. of the un resolution nineteen

seventy three was it yes it. is about non fries about sanctions but it doesn't say anything about the arming of the opposition because you just said the opposition takes arms well it's not enough they need arms and and they may get their arms from the coalition also the ground operation is not excluded including including a bomb he said we're not going to take part but there may be ground operation how will russia who state from voting reacts if there will be facts of arming of the opposition by the violence there's a coalition and maybe even a ground operation well first of all we did not properly do so to say nine hundred seventy three resolution because we agreed with our partners in the security council that the day after the bombing civilians gaddafi is a criminal conduct is

a criminal and he does not deserve any credit from the international community are eve of the results of non-conference are implemented and if qatar the state of qatar starts selling oil which is controlled by the thing and to khadafi opposition and if and you could offer your position officially get some funds establish their own oil company absolutely right and the old bank absolutely right and if they start purchasing in the free market arms for their militia ok it will be an interval be legal and we should not be challenging that but the opposition should understand that the longer civil war continues the less popularity they have inside libya because. normally normal people are very soon to get tired of any conflict but to

get tired of any war and of they start criticizing both opposition and gadhafi tell you as the official representative of the russian president in africa i don't think you're in a position to comment on president's decision but maybe you will at least give us some some details why did medvedev fire the bad russian ambassador to libya what's behind it well if i may take off the head of the special representative of the russian for africa and put on my other head as the chairman the foreign affairs committee of the russian senate i will say that officially we shall have hearings on the situation with the i will form and dusty and we'll be probably next week and we have to pass through official procedure because the appointment of foreign and russian ambassador is in foreign countries is normally adopted by the duma and the federation council the

firing and the firing as well. and of course we shall be asking questions and we shall have i would especially in the committee so i did not want to to to to to comment on there before we had debate in our committee so i said he would not comment me to some details was it just the like like a misunderstanding between the investor and the president or or or what well in a complicated situation like we saw a libya. what happened was to my mind first of all misunderstanding by the ambassador what was really happening on the ground and then. it kind of miscommunication between him and moscow. very glad for. total misunderstanding between between the russian ambassador and the russian government . ok is russia capable of proposing some

initiatives i mean in the case of libya could russia says i'm a theatre for example well yes we are we already offered. our war efforts. as a well mediator we sound bad we want to be part of the solution we said that we are ready to work as a kind of docking mechanism between the two camps. and of then we also think that. in tripoli. there should be people who will think strategically and think about the future of libya and it's quite obvious that the future of libya will not be connected with the mystical duffy and his sons the future will be different and the sooner. the real patriots of libya in tripoli around gadhafi understand that there will be no any way out from that terrible

situation if gadhafi is still in place of the more successful will be international mediation says mikhail margelov a presidential special rep for the. spotlight will be back shortly right after the break so stay with us and. wealthy british style. market finally. come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with much stronger the no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to kind. to report on or keep. this secret incursion into the country.

is the invasion by means of. tradition the language really so that the best to compete could beat. in culture. to think. that the how the germans are still unaware of what's going on in their minds still asking much. like. the last guy the great. welcome back to spotlight in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is michelle mcgill of the presidential special envoy for africa. then truth think it's high time for russia to use

at once to be a maid. and to the situation in libya to reach out it's really it is it is yes we are ready means well it has been some will ok now then you think it's high time that russia contacted the opposition reach out for the opposition at least at least found somebody to talk to among the opposition because because if we if we continue this regarding the opposition we make i mean must go may lose face in the can we work first of all i don't think that moscow can lose face and they are world and can lose face in africa because we have never been a colonial power in africa we have never been a colonial power in the middle east and i will credibility is really. what little higher than the current credibility of the british and the french well. you said that the use of that now well i think that we. are also very

friendly towards almost all the nations or was mean you know about we've always been and we really want to be friends with them so what we were doing during the soviet era would promote him ordinary solution project probably was not the best modernization project under the banners of socialism but it was working there were thousands and thousands of people who got higher education who form the elite in these countries until now serve their country pretty well so i think that russia has a really high level of credibility in this part of the world what we are ready to do we are ready to to start building bridges if you if we get out and not revealing any secrets i can only say that we know the people on both sides we have contacts on both sides if we talk about libya and we are working hard. so when

people in the kremlin people that you contact with say the opposition they mean specific men in libya and they know their phone numbers and they give me a call and their encounter is that true. well we have a lot of institutions in russia very professional institutions which work abroad and mostly work successfully abroad and they know how to reach the right people. really i would have found a i tried to be as diplomatic a way ok now. i can give you know the chance of being very diplomatic is guaranteeing khadafi me guaranteeing clear that he didn't find exile somewhere some in some third country be a solution to libya's problems almost all the options are open and the were several exam. bills in the history of this part of the world which were up when

even the most vicious the most authoritarian leaders were given a chance to escape and leave peacefully for example like many just a highly maria the foreman i feel to be a leader he leaves peacefully in zimbabwe we all remember figures like. the like. well some of the dictators who were let to go. but my understanding is that it could duffy is not ready to go. ok now while everybody is so concerned about the situation in libya i think you're keeping an eye on another regions of africa for example for example the ivory coast where present presidents were on. a bad dog badly in the rain is there isn't one to two to concede with defeat and keeps on clinging to power russia may russia

support international actions initiated for example by france and nigeria against well as an adult as for as strong of what is happening in cote d'ivoire now i think the best mechanism which can and should be used is the mechanism of consultations in the united nations when the situation goes out of control of the united nations we all know that bad things usually happen in africa and the mechanism or consultations in the united nations should be really very professional and should not be emotional of course there are good guys and bad guys in every country but we have to think about the future of the people and we know that any military clashes in african trip countries very often grow into civil war and the total. and. you know uncontrolled bloodshed and ethnic

cleansings we should not repeat the mistakes of the past well you mentioned the good guys and the bad guys this is this is the american way to deal with people to political regimes around the world and as a matter of fact the good guys can become bad guys and advisors and kentucky this is politics the used to be that guy that he became the good guy and the families he's the bad guy and once again right now ok now this is hypocritical but the. this isn't their business policy there isn't the canyon that russia russia's policy is quite different that we we turned we have a tendency in the ideology of the russian foreign policy is to support any official leader of any country until he's the leader of this country saying this is the status quo and and we will support that rather than looking looking for good and that believe me we are not that primitive. we are better but this is less hypocritical less popular in the west look. i will never forget how it's gone

through three years ago gives us about three years ago i asked. a u.s. defense secretary. robert gates a question i asked him what is the main driving force of american foreign policy a pregnant is more ideology you know what was the answer he said yes. well for russia i would say that the main driving force of our foreign policy is pregnant and some of the main goal of russian foreign policy is to have a friendly or at least neutral neighborhood. and for the world for us middle east and northern africa is i would need some to speak and we have to have friendly relations with countries there but. when ever the leaders of these countries start fighting against their people like it happened in the libyan case

we are not blind we are not blind even trying to solve the political problems you should not bomb the civilians from aircrafts mike duffin believe in galilee in the in the in february and after that russia immediately supported the nineteen so no resolution of the united nations imposing sanctions against you could offer regime we did not repeat in one nine hundred seventy three resolution and russian president was very clear in his statements. your appointment to this new position as russian president a voice for our food can visit mean the kremlin that russia wants to be more and more involved in african affairs that we will need to catch up with china that has been involved in african affairs very closely for the last at least a decade lately they're there and we're well we're not china turkey iran india indonesia malaysia all the european nations united states of america we can we can

continue that list and the russia being a global power has global interests so of course we have to be present in africa we have good heritage in africa we have really good background in many countries of africa and we should not forget that all the problems of africa very soon become the european problems and the problems are of the middle and central asian countries but you said you use the kremlin is very pragmatic the moscow is very pragmatic china is providing this a we need raw materials africa's rich raw materials so that's why we're there russia is rich war materials itself so what do we need it africa except politics except ideology no we need political stability because if there is no political stability in africa like in somalia for example. are we. we have. problems with the. navigation while the the

maritime security is is is is is suffering yeah if we have problems in countries like so done and. we are lucky that all the developments in sudan go on successful that today but as a result of the referendum we have two or three failed states on the character of sudan we have more somalia's the most somalis in africa we have less control over the continent we have a we will see a new wave ways of migration to europe including russia will see drug trafficking we shall see see human trafficking be the arms trafficking and it all becomes our problems so for us. it is so to speak a kind of crisis management if we talk about political sphere and definitely we need economic ties with africa there are several types of raw materials which we historically import from africa and which were importing during the soviet era and

we have our work key economic interests in africa as well like any other nations elections are coming up in and chad these two countries and the to warriors for their corruption do you think that the election that the campaign will happen in june after elections may lead to processes similar to in north african processes and these this wave the revolution will go to two sub-saharan as well as well on the other hand. of course there is a certain level of instability in both the child in nigeria and. of course we have to be very careful when we look at these two countries but speaking about the elections and speaking about the acceptability of the results of the elections in such countries i think that after famous elections in afghanistan. any elections in this world should be called free and say. thank you thank you very much what was

that name of bad guy in. the butt about the. long long goggle you know that the thank you very much i didn't like we had so much again just to remind her that. the presidential special envoy to africa was here on spotlight today that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have yourself part might can always drop me a line we'll be back with more for some comments on of what's going on and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take care. of.

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