dogs watchers i'm a. creature. rush. for the. we've got. the biggest issues get the human voice face to face with the news makers. at the. very warm welcome back this is home now in the mall stay with us of course of the water rises to the cia all things in libya aimed at supporting the rebels and gathering intelligence this comes as nato officials themselves boys clear the number of rebel forces that links to al qaeda. meanwhile the libyan foreign minister in kabul gives out these long sign right hand man who's that instead affects of the u.k. and on the ground forces still loyal to him down here repelling further rebel

advances. loss of blood to stabilize the because she wouldn't be a plant come to a halt as radiation levels and receive all survive if it isn't reached new highs the u.n. pushes for japan to expand the evacuation zone from twenty to forty kilometers. coming our. talks to the russian president's special representative in africa mikhail margelov about the current situation in libya they discuss whether the coalition intervention in the country and its support for the rebels can help overcome forces loyal to colonel gadhafi spotlight is next. today my guest. the libyan rebels have so far proved to be unable to

overcome the heavily armed forces loyal to colonel combat the international coalition as provided cover for the rebels. no fly zone the next step in promoting democracy in libya is a possible ground intervention by the us. russia abstained from voting in the spirit council gratian was authorized by the un but what is russia's true. we're asking the special representative of the russian president. with the african countries mikhail margelov. well they call it a bombing gadhafi forces in libya europe is split over the future of the operation . is an expert on the african continent conflicts in the region people with another global crisis. and streams of refugees could make the situation in europe explosive

. he says is to give up double standards but right now europe is much more worried about oil prices and by human rights and democracy problems in africa. thanks thanks. thanks well i'd like to start with a quote from. the people around him are starting to recognize that their options are limited and their days numbered and quote this russia share this assessment how long do you thing. could it take. the national coalition to ask well actually of course we share the vision that the time for productively and his allies inside libya is very limited but i do not share personally the view that the coalition of the coalition should arced

production from libya it's the issue which should be solved by the libyan people and the thing is that probably you can impose the no fly zone over libya but you cannot impose democracy in the country you can introduce many ideas from abroad but you cannot implement them being a foreigner even an armed foreigner representing the international will trickle mission so as long as the rebels who fight against gadhafi are partially successful as long as they stay in benghazi and a very narrow area around the. mediterranean sure. we shall be seeing a long lasting civil war and it will look all like a never ending story you said that the that the rebels themselves should oust gadhafi if he if he's popular but they proved to be unsuccessful they proved it and

proved to be impossible for people to overthrow could out he said so now it's the work of the international coalition will actually it will what we're seeing now in libya we see a very bloody civil war and we see casualties on both sides we see a lot of destroyed buildings we see a lot that was destroyed vehicles and we see that the rebels. who are not. sue to speak an organized. political opposition they did you know have a leader they don't listen to lead exactly they don't even have a leader. they're just ordinary people who take weapons for our own khadafi the army or police arsenals the armed themselves and the they're trying to to to to fight against. the military units who still support. in a large numbers of colonel gadhafi and his government of the message prove walt

which we were seeing in the very beginning of the uprising the success the quick success of the opposition who are concrete almost all the city has are in the mediterranean area and even in the desert now we see the reverse situation duffy looks to be stronger his army seems to be more active and more efficient and of course we have another third party in that conflict we have an international coalition which is trained to pave the way for. what for the well first what i think of the rebels are on their way to tripoli but here are specialists in the region or the best in the country. then chew share their opinion that. whenever. both of us are a leader like that he is overthrown in the country lately via it doesn't necessarily mean more democracy sometimes even even the country well first of all

unfortunately very often means vacuum vacuum of power vacuum of control as an initial step of that movement from authoritarianism to democracy we see that vacuum for example in iraq now the boss party was demolished and the vertical of power was destroyed the military arsenals were open people got arms for nothing and we see leg of power we saw the so-called elections in iraq we each to my mind were most of the simulation. elections and which to my mind also undermined the ideal of western style elections in the arab world and in islamic world as a whole what we may see in libya after the all seen of khadafi we may see a competition between different. competing groups representing different different

cities different municipalities different tribes who are located in the libyan desert and it will be very important for the unthinkable few forces to get prepared for stage two after gadhafi today. of the un resolution one thousand nine hundred seventy three was it it. is about non fries about sanctions but it doesn't say anything about the arming of the opposition because you just said the opposition takes arms well it's not enough they need arms and and they may get their arms from the coalition also the ground operation is not excluded including including a bomb he said we're not going to take pride but there may be a ground operation how will russia who are staying for voting react if there will be facts arming the opposition by the by the international coalition and maybe even

a ground operation well first of all we did not drop the do so to say nine hundred seventy three resolution because we agreed with our partners in the security council that the day after the bombing civilians cut off is a criminal gadhafi is a criminal and he does not deserve any credit from the international community are if the results of a mountain conference are implemented and if qatar the state of qatar starts selling oil which is control. why of the elite and to conduct the opposition and if anti kadafi a position officially gets some fronts establish their own company absolutely right and the old bank absolutely right and if they start purchasing in the free market arms for their militia ok it will be and it will be illegal and we should

not be challenging that but the opposition should understand that the longer civil war continues the less popularity they have inside libya because normally normal people are very soon to get tired of any conflict they get tired of any war and of they start criticizing both opposition and. tell you as the official representative of the russian president in africa i don't think you are in a position to comment on president's decision but maybe you will at least give us some some details why did medvedev fire the that the russian ambassador to libya what's behind it well if i may take of the head of the special representative of the russian for africa and put on my other have as the chairman the foreign affairs committee of the russian senate i will say that

officially we shall have hearings on the situation with our former ambassador in libya probably next week and we have to pass through official procedure because the appointment of foreign and russian ambassador is in foreign countries is normally adopted by by the duma and the federation council firing and the firing as well. and of course we shall be asking questions and we shall have i would discuss now in the committee so i did not want you to q two or to comment on there before we had debate in our committee so i said he would not comment badly. it may be some details was it just the like like a misunderstanding between the investor and the president what were your what well in in a complicated situation like we saw a libya. and what happened was to my mind first of all misunderstanding by the

ambassador what was really happening on the ground and then. it kind of miscommunication between him and moscow very glad for. a total misunderstanding between between the russian ambassador and the russian government . ok is russia capable of proposing some initiatives i mean in the case of libya could russia act as a mediator for example well yes we are we already offered. our war efforts. as a one mediator we said that we want to be part of the solution we said that we are ready to work as a kind of docking mechanism between the two camps. and then we also think that. in tripoli there should be people who think the strategic political think about the future of libya and it's quite obvious that the future of libya

will not be connected with a mystical duffy and his sons the future will be different and the sooner. the real petreus libya in tripoli around gadhafi understand that there will be no any way out from that terrible situation if gadhafi is still in planes of the more successful will be international mediation says to me not to give the president full special got on spotlight will do that shortly right after the break so stay with us don't go. wealthy british scientists. on. the. market

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if. gave. to. see. the big. welcome back to spotlight i'm. just a reminder that my guest in the studio today's me carol mcgill of the presidential special envoy for our focus we failed don't you think it's high time for russia who you said wants to be a maid in the in the situation in libya to reach out is ready to visit yes we are

ready means well it has this will ok now don't you think it's high time that russia contacted the opposition reach out for the opposition at least at least found somebody to talk to among the opposition because there because if we if we continue this regarding the opposition we make i mean moscow may lose face of the arab world cup kennelly well first of all i don't think that my school can lose face in the arab world and lose face in africa because we have never been a colonial power in africa we're going to be in a colonial power in the middle east and i would credibility is really hard in that part of the good little higher than the democratic credibility of the british and the french and well you said that the use of that now well i think that we. are also very friendly towards almost all the nations of the world's being you know

we've always been and we really want to be friends but so what we were doing during the soviet era we were promoting a more than a solution project probably it was not the best modernization project under the banners of socialism but it was working there were thousands and thousands of people who got higher education who form the elite in these countries until now serve their country pretty well so i think that russia has a really high level of credibility in this part of the world what we are ready to do we are ready to to start building bridges if you will get and not revealing any secrets. i can only say that we know the people on both sides we have contacts on both sides if we talk about media and we're working hard. so when people in the kremlin people that you contact with say the opposition they mean specific men in libya and they know their phone numbers and they give the call and

they're in contact is that true. well we have a lot of institutions in russia very professional institutions which work abroad and mostly work successfully abroad and they know how to reach the right people. really over there for a i tried to be as diplomatic a way ok now yeah i can give you know the chance of being very diplomatic is guaranteeing me guaranteeing that he dignify and exile somewhere some in some third country be a solution to libya's problems well today almost all the options are open and the worst several examples in the history of this part of the world which were when even the most vicious the most authoritarian leaders were given a chance to escape and they leave peacefully for example like many just

a highly marie on the form of if you will be a leader he leaves peacefully in zimbabwe we all remember fieger is like the i mean the i'm like. well some of the dictators who were let to go. but my understanding is that it could duffy is not ready to go. ok now while everybody is so concerned about the situation in libya i think the year or keeping an eye on another regions of africa for example for example the hybrid coast where president where presidents were on. board badly in the game is doesn't want to to to concede with defeat and keeps us keep so they're clinging to power russia may russia support international actions initiated for example by france in nigeria against well results as for as for what what is happening in

called the war now i think the best mechanism which can and should be used his neck and has more consultations in the united nations when the situation goes out of control of the united nations we all know that bad things usually happen in africa and of the mechanism of consultations in the united nations should be really very professional and should not be emotional of course there are good days and bad guys in every country but we have to think about the future of the people and we know that any military clashes in african could countries very often grow into the civil war and the total. and. you know uncontrolled bloodshed and ethnic cleansings we should not repeat the mistakes of the past well you know the good guys and the bad guys this is this is the way to

deal with people to political regimes around the world and as a matter of fact the good guys can become bad guys an advisor is a cadet this is politics used to be a bad guy then he became the good guy and the families he's the bad guy and once again right now ok now this is hypocritical but the. this is probably there is an opinion that russia russia's policy is quite different that we we turned when we have a tendency in the ideology of the russian foreign policy is to support any official leader of any country until he is the leader of this country saying this is the status quo and and we will support that rather than looking looking for good and that believe me we are not a primitive. we are less hypocritical less popular in the west look. i will never forget. three three years ago against us about three years ago i asked . a u.s. defense secretary. robert gates

a question i asked him what is the main driving force of american foreign policy pragmatism or ideology you know what was the answer is a yes. well for russia i would say that the main driving force of our foreign policy is pragmatism the main goal of russian foreign policy instead have friendly or at least neutral neighborhood. in our we need for a broad for us middle east and northern africa is our with me here so to speak and we have to have friendly relations with countries there but. when ever the leaders of these controls start fighting against their people like it happened in the libyan kings we are not blind we are not blind even trying to solve the political problems you should not bomb the civilians from aircrafts michael duffy

did and ghastly in the in the mid february and after that russia immediately supported the nineteen seven zero zero resolution arm of the united nations imposing sanctions against it could buffer regime we did not repeated nine hundred seventy three resolution and russian president was very clear in his statements. your appointment to this new. russian president and boy for african visit mean there it's kremlin that russia wants to be more and more involved in african affairs that we want to maybe to catch up with china that has been involved in african affairs very closely for for the last like at least a decade they've been there they're there and we're well we're not china turkey iran india indonesia malaysia all the european nations the united states of america we can we can continue that list and the russia being a global power has global interests so of course we have to be present in africa we

have a good heritage in africa we have really good background in many countries of africa and we should not forget that all the problems of africa very soon become the european problems and the problems are in the middle and central asian countries but you said you slipped from them is very pragmatic the moscow's very program early china is providing this a we need raw materials africa's rich raw materials so that's why we're there russia is rich well materials itself so what do we need in africa except politics a set ideology you know we need political stability because if there is no political stability in africa like in somalia for example. are we. we have never problems we'll. never again will what the the maritime security is is is is is suffering if we have problems in countries like so done and what we are lucky that all the developments in sudan go on

successfully today but even as a result of the referendum we have two or three failed states on the territory of sudan we have more somalia's the muslim armies in africa we have the less control over the continent we have a we will see a new way waves of migration to europe including russia will see drug trafficking we shall see you see human trafficking be the arms trafficking and it all becomes our problems so for us now it's it is so to speak a kind of crisis management if we talk about political sphere and definitely we need canonic ties with africa there are several types of raw materials which we historically import from africa which were importing during the soviet era and we have our key economic interests in africa as well like any other nations' elections

are coming up in chad these two countries and the to warriors for their corruption do you think that the election of the campaign will after the june after elections may lead to processes similar to a north african process and that these this wave the revolution will go to to subsaharan that was well on the other hand. of course there is a certain level of instability in both the child the nigerian and. of course we have to be very careful when we look at these two countries but speaking about the elections and speaking about the acceptability of the results of the elections in such countries i think that after the famous elections in afghanistan. any elections in this world should be called free and fair. thank you thank you very much what was that name of that guy in. the bucket well good luck but i thought all along gladwell remember that thank you very much i didn't like you know so much

again just to remind you that mikhail margelov the presidential special envoy to africa was here on spotlight today that's it for now from all of us here if you're on talk of yourselves course right get on with drop me a line of life we'll be back with more for some comments on what's going on and outside pressure until then stay in the party and take care. of.