hello this is r t the main stories we're covering for you this hour not a senior associate of the libyan regime is reportedly in london for talks over the dolphins future the country's foreign minister has already defected and more officials may be about to abandon the. u.s. top brass gets a grilling in congress with many still uncertain as to what the goal of the libyan campaign is and who's going to pay for it. taggerty on

america's motives all scrutinizes if ignore civilian deaths in gaza and south associate with jumps that will continue to bring democracy to other regions. counties in about thirty minutes time but next our special report looks at the merits of the death penalty and whether the crime of murder should always lead an eye for an eye on wonders sister debbie lives not far from the penitentiary town she too used to take care of her nephew quite a lot when vonda was out on the road no well i'm laura knew her well. we're all for justice if it be anyone. you know we'd been right there with. you know ringing because it's. payback it's it's you know whatever

but when it's someone that that you care about. if you did this. you know thank you. if it's mixed emotions it's it's unexplainable. it's sad. it's. uncalled for. and. so wastes. he was the rats. part of me. my sister in. his car. killed my sister's child she's gone now he's gone now they're all. in that society. do i feel

responsible for helping you in usually yes. do i feel bad about it you know now do i feel bad for the greeting the jim and. debbie went through yeah i feel sorry for their loss do i feel. they lost and more than i do that. day lost vonder and sean i just lost my father did they lose more you bet grandfather jim. debbie refused to come to the execution on every floor in one thousand nine hundred nine. six minutes to die.

i don't know what i thought. i saw in the end. person. because i didn't want to. but i was still angry i still wanted to go. and i have great remorse sometimes for that's most of the time i'm not thinking about it it's gone it's done deal done and over again years i've not had to worry it's what is just as a nap and what if it gets out it's not that they are worried about me they'd just

i've had no worries chain years drug closure. the only ones present at sean's execution that night there were also those who had tried to save him. thank. jones execution left scars on his lawyer

steve preston. i think. steve still lives in the little town of norman near oklahoma city. specializing in final appeals of a condemned he has lost eleven of the men he has defended and succeeded in saving only two of them. and we hear so many people who support the death penalty say well as part of our system we have it well the only reason that we haven't is part of this of the system is because they went back to change it and they they support the system and it's wrong and they don't know why it's so they don't know first hand. or even second hand what. a horrible. process it is. i don't know when told one of their own

family members has to go through it and then suddenly. they see everything wrong with. that case and others that i've done but sean's because i was pretty close to . destroyed my faith in the american legal system before doing death row cases i had the highest confidence in our courts in our law enforcement because i was a cop for ten years. and i practiced civil law and i worked in the courts. i thought that things were good and far and it was seeing the machinery of the state moving so venomously. and very minutely against these people on death row two to extinguish their lives and ignoring good evidence and ignoring constitutional violations.

that just took it out of me. is maybe it's maybe better when i'm burned out. i really dislike the system i dislike being a lawyer. that's what it's there. steve no longer attends the executions. many people in oklahoma claim that the executions are humane and painless. i'm heading to mcallister in the eastern part of the state where the penitentiary is located to find the man who executed shown sellers. in oklahoma prison guards carry out the death sentences.

the simplest way is to run an ad in the local newspaper looking for officers who participated in the execution. i have no problem. you know i member shontelle or. he was a party guy that actually he was not an adult. with an. ornery first. jamie. thank you no xan.

but a while i remember that exchange. when twenty plus regs. was involved in our morning some of. us involved proximately. extraction. process not least sixty executions. fred cook was in charge of sean's execution his father also executed prisoners in the electric chair fred is retired now

and i brought johnny and then and he would yes oki had a big he had but i mean you know he is guilty he he done it they were no two ways of bad it and. so nice in its name today if and we kept him on death row until such time as it was found executed him and we executed. once they come through that there were they no good. they don't have good omen table meynell two ways about it and so that is probably. what was going through sean's mind during his final moments. when an execution takes place relief a sudden says are injected from this room through these holes in the wall street recruits three citizens to carry out this task the law guarantees that they remain

anonymous. during the entire execution only the guards are in direct contact with the condemned prisoners. tim guarded the inmates during their final hours. lane was one of the guards that would strap them to the gurney. dark as well. jane would bring the lethal chemicals and see that the execution ran smoothly. fred the oldest planned the procedure.

eight nine minutes before the execution is scheduled we're moving from. a sale take humans add executions amber with a payment of six. dogs are very strange of when they first come out of this they have as look on ayers and if you've known him for twenty years and well known for a long time we have as local. disbelief that you're going to be one of them that's going to walk i'm in there you know here and you know legard me any day golden or like i'm in they wished it was somebody else you wish it was somebody who knows. well you said you walking up there on the gurney and they look at you because they don't know they've never done this before there's a sense of stress maybe nervousness. as

far as you know i same one individual that once they entered the door to the chamber the nerves got to him so bad if they became weak in the names you know they just kind of and the strap down team just reached up and grabbed him by the arm and you know just held him up and assist in a moment of the gurney and they look at you like for some direction you know sort of on the way on the gurney and they look like you can you know have come sort of in until we heard people admit it. you know and you know if they're going to what would you want to do now you know what would you lay down here history and it's wrong. to know as well why you do and i. can tell them nothing. is going to do it and what you're going to strap down and they look at you you know i've had him look at him you know like he was a buyers i saw him i just don't look at him just i would look at him and i would look at so much i don't want to say anything so mom cried some i'm go point towards

say let the execution began before he says that he waits a little bit and that why if war of the governor in case the governor cove does that well that's the only way that you should be stopped if the governor calls at that point and at that family or snort it minister look through the system you have that moment of time to think you know i talk about individual forty five minutes ago that individual dead now and. it's a humbling experience i mean. at times just disbelief you know . because some of them i know for kiran twelve fourteen year. you'll never forget about it you think about it until the day you know. aired fiction how can it not of a future taken some guy even though he's done something to somebody you know this

if you're taking some guys trip him down and basically you're put in the mid if because you're part of the whole process of doing it well yeah it bothers me to this day i had nightmares i wake up waiting i wake up with herbal nightmares that they won't do no good to tell you because you wouldn't understand it unless you've been there. twelve years after the execution of sawn sellers i met only one participant of the story who didn't seem to have the slightest doubts.

this is oklahoma county's district attorney the man who demanded the death sentence for sean. macey held office for close to twenty five years he is known in the us for being the da who has obtained the most death sentences around sixty. macy always claimed that the death sentence has a dissuasive effect and he reiterated that opinion during sean's trial. this may not be the best way to stop the killing but it's the only way i know and i think the jurors are saying look you go you kill three people in this count room give you the death penalty that hopefully somebody else one. of. the district attorney's arguments always have the backing of the public.

may say the un yelled and da is now retired and lives on his farm a few miles from oklahoma city. and i have seen executives of oh white huh. north most knows knows how much you know what jobs a prosecutor from running the charges president perhaps who lives in are you for the death penalty. i don't like the satisfaction of joy. so here's a news. hopefully. model none of the law enforcement people who agree that he

lives only turned on over this and lives their lives just as you say you hope that it is a deterrent and things it is not proven oil have you. know well i know of a figure when you stop someone of news of. the much fear district attorney who has never witnessed a single execution now admits that there has never been any perth's that the death penalty has a dissuasive effect on criminality. the facts are there in the twelve years since jones execution oklahoma's crime rate has not decreased.

right now no or oh boy who cried his own who was one person and especially directly to young women and children and. i can explain to you why is having america problems are very horrible crimes i don't know how to exploit it. we've seen heard several cases filed in this county were or friend or husband's as my baby against a wall and i don't want to live. person could do that until a baby. a crime was that we're dealing with i don't want rehabilitation work rather i think if we commit these horrible horrible crimes. i want we all

redemption how do you teach somebody thought. and that's a lancer on. it is. if people only true there would be collusion. can eat. the a little.

there's a. trick eat eat was the ticket. for many citizens of oklahoma the bible offers an irrefutable justification for the death penalty particularly the verses which are subject to widely differing interpretations about an eye for an eye a tooth for a target we have pastor jones duncan accompanied shown to the many other prisoners both men and women in the final moments now he no longer carries out this mission. does that scripture justify what we're doing today. and. are we

doing it today because we are punishing people in my life it's been extreme eight years. and now confining talk about foley talk about what i can't. do i regret you know i help the person. not that i was in favor of putting that person to death and nothing was going to stop that i was there to help that person them out and so i was i would minister to the person i would talk to them i cannot do this any longer i can't put words in god's mouth but i don't think he would want the death penalty i think he would want us to share a laugh and how to have

a laugh and cry asked. do you believe in god or. do you fear his judgment you know what well more so yes and so much for him. i think there's a chance that i did against death penalty. six

years after sean's execution the supreme court at long last ruled against capital punishment for minors. today three thousand three hundred prisoners are waiting on death row throughout the united states. in oklahoma the mortal remains not claimed by family are buried in the little cemetery in front of the penitentiary.

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