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up playing was. tour nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. he agrees to meet with us and explain the methods used there. between one thousand change of scenery out and change of scenery down this is where you take a person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out they put them in a nicer area change of scenery down i mean if you're going to put them into an

isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slap if you can hit them enough so that it shocks them especially if it gets a loud slap but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them but then that's an effective technique as is the way that they would you sure refer to it as the putting is actually placed over their head and the interrogator. shouts their questions at him through the through the hood a pro long standing if they were to do it for five seconds it would be too much about their after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of aversions if they had phobias of heights or . of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee you i could get one

person to give more information if i was to convince the person that we're the good guys never their friends. throughout. the time that i was there there was pressure from the results. they were worried about are you abiding by a cheap bench that wasn't on daily requests from higher command. requests that were coming down the pike or what information you got. which sources have become key sources that's what they were results because their mentality was no longer that we've gotten in detention the more people we're going to get to break right in just

a matter of time it is just. as one tunnel more become a testing ground for interrogation techniques which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence that the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are described in the documents from guantanamo in cuba. but what is the connection and who exactly sent the requests to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who baucus had problems with. and if you look at the game the request was sent october eleventh. only two days after barca's left. and one month later neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken

command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in j.p.s. . are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection. the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself scribbled i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours and was it like that when we went back after he was soft. and then down a bit of short pier and then came neither who really. sort of.

started the harsher techniques. i believe had no difficulty with pushing from his own office to get more results and that was that was. the side this man wanted everybody to break. and believe that the only right that people do. was the right to give us intelligence that was the only correct word in the business of winning the global war on terror we also conduct ourselves as americans always did everything that goes on in camp delta is a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to call up doctors again this time he was more cooperative. the shrink back you know i called you actually long time ago at a time you didn't want to. talk. i'm not at liberty to get any of you

did. there are so many rumors. that i go to that we don't want to end. things. wrong way so what is the timeline for your story. but in order to speak freely with us permission from the pentagon ok and if you. give you permission to participate with you be available for an interview then i would make myself available correct ok really good we would it by. former commander. talk about. this case so you can you basically did that i hate to even to you i can't tell them what to do i need to reset it ok but it sounds to me like. we approve it in other words. we abide did it the right do it.

why does the pentagon want to silence baucus. who fired him and why. and who was it that took the interrogation methods from guantanamo cuba to another green and. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal now too great when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other than general miller. miller was sent to other great to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers

posing in the pictures. jenny. kidding me yes i did an echo of this cultural suite and hire a car you know you wouldn't expect to actually. i mean i know the stocks. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about the dispute between baucus and out of a because of the turkish and to cakes. i think that that's why back and fired. it takes up yes. and and see everybody down it got time ok i dare miller they were all required to sign a formal statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't

just got anything that they've seen or heard or participated in. it. would you live a minute by minute carolina which is right on the phone. rumor has it come pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as a general not for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle she's even said to hate general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. but because she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and i'm just like baucus she was replaced by general miller could she know something about how interrogation methods developed kuantan among could show up in photos from abu

ghraib prison iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive take me if the memorandum was forwarded after backus left here's a guy who is trained as a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line and knows the limitations and is forced to command that military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply down there have you met him i mean no i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie silence he's been. fired first about because and then he fired you why did you talk because i didn't sign a non-disclosure statement number one and number two i know the truth

i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i know what was going on in cell block one a and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they did now someone senior to them made them to believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agreed that. we all feel like we were doing. things that we weren't supposed to because we were told. we think everything was justified because we were instructed to do. you know i was. carrying any regrets let me. talk

to secretary of defense about this just morning by the way i said find the truth and then tell the iraqi people and the world the truth we're with we have nothing to hide and we we believe in transparency because we're a free society that's for free societies to. take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted were the seven soldiers pictured in the photos. in the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal as i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq. but according to our pinsky general miller had already been integrable earlier before the pictures of abuse came out. he came from guantanamo want to secret mission general no one ever

mentioned it but we found out later that he actually came on the same plane as secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators and the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general fay austin the people from her staff that were involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operations. to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence i think you're the person to well we can gentle with. treat them like dogs because if you treat them any better than that you've effectively lost control of the interrogation and before that meeting this over he said. with his with the lessons learned. from guantanamo bay and in other locations he was going to get more wise.

this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from good model left after their visit to abu ghraib just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more effective for example he wants to use the military police who previously were only used as prison guards to prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found in our program that no one wants to take responsibility for the interrogation methods of the same developer. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out it your team specifically briefed. these methods could be used in that prison. no matter it's contrary to the geneva convention were presented by the system

stream to see j.p.s. . there were things started to change. and he has said his defense mechanism is i was only there. if i had been in control of that prison and knew what was going on out there it wouldn't have gone on out there. even though karpinski and baucus lost control both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read the documents we discover strange little detail.

in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. and there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors that for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was generous karpinski his boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with a machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a mercenary we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun. who is fired use that weapon you're talking about a soldier without the battle there are no rules regulations governing the use the people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater who can explain to

us it was exactly a contractor guys. try to reach mr berg charlie success and i want to talk to regarding pressing issues. personally i think. blackwater soon times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. put it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thousand private contractors in iraq because due to the second largest force after the american army. and hundreds of firms around the world iraq private contractors. have. one search for the eastern romanian security company. who are in bucharest. show us what their

services include. me work like a private company in other countries that's a waste. well they decide. in the private system of more mobility. why because the. poor over the all. have the us it's not the left not the right. only. what we've got is a situation where we have a thousands of armed less than us in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement a little behind that is no role for the. forty

first green got killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper the coalition needs these people because they want to ricky sekhon educated. in a sense way using freelance. mercenaries as time facts to protect not only our soldiers thought the casualty figures of the south of france. that's one tunnels do you think they were contractors there two contractors just started to be used right it towards the end of my tour. once on a mob and there was only one or two that i saw when i left when we're talking about a grade though the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and analysis force there so you you were a grade as soldier no i don't grade i was a civilian contractor. i mean once again this when

i think of it i mean comparable in unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the balkans think back to world war two when you take. people captive to corral to hold the door and most of us to these there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied here the only difference is that we're in a bit unconventional war where the word is against a private organization rather than a mistake and we would look at it this way think of a. conflict or non conventional war where the world is against the privatization. the state. is going to need a worse know how to get it does not. appear does not belong to responsible. out there was an honest. feeling of an unconventional war the us is against it

finding organization. centric you many people who don't believe that you just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. what can you tell them. the nonstandard question she doesn't believe the one if they don't believe you. no it was what do you want to tell those who don't believe in you and your story. i hope other detainees who will be released later hope that they will be able to explain in a stronger way. i mean this things we didn't understand why were you there. if .

ok basically in the serial here we have camp for chance. in the beginning of march in the camp for detainees. and detainees are getting closer to be released very soon. if. it is we can hear from here. the voices they hear. the voices of detainees in the chair. and one reason why you can hear him say because in the nighttime it's very quiet out here they're not as many vehicles moving. in the syria you can hear the voices of the detainees. they are units eight by eight with his see they say they have the opportunity to speak to one

another so i. may be praying some of them are just just talking and they may be talking to someone. just normal conversation and sometimes you do hear prayer call the prayer or just chatter in a prayer. what happens to the prisoners still counts at guantanamo. and what happens to those who are released. they're going nearly four hundred

separate neal visits toward two of them of the by more than one thousand journals additionally some one hundred eighty congressional representatives have visited the facility. arguably no detention facility in the history of warfare has been more transparent or received more so than want from. us we've been at guantanamo and we still don't know what really happens inside them. but maybe that's not the most important thing because what we do know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside there was lost to their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get out. john miller knowing it one tunnel is going to order to develop

a seventy two point natures for stress and duress leads out types of course should escalate levels being called harsher heat or cold withholding full boarding for days at a time naked eyes cold dark cells is that correct for those chairs or explain correct never have carried or a glitch in the correct. thank him her and her broadcasting live from washington d.c. coming up today on the big picture.

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