widely held criticism and criticism of other wars that the u.s. is involved in in afghanistan for example or drone site which strikes in pop is down for example those don't go as criticize there is as much popular outrage over that do you think that that allows these us wars to be progressed more with a less of a response at home. so great so is the american public has become inured we're just expecting to be a permanent war and really just know it all as long as there's a little bit worried doesn't it on the night we do. there are american coffins coming back but. it seems that there's an expectation that we can just keep this up forever are you as outraged as you were back then are you still outraged over u.s. policy. but it's. not raised and thorsten it kind of seems like i think up and see change for the better our ages.

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sure nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. he agrees to meet with us and explain the methods used in there. between one thousand change of scenery out and change of scenery down this is where you take the person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out they put them in a nicer area change of scenery down being measure going to put them into an isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slack if you can hit them and nuff so that it shocks them especially if it gets a loud slap but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them but then that's an effective technique as is the way that they would you sure virtud as the hooding is actually placed over their head and the interrogator. shouts their

questions at them through the through the hood a pro long standing if they were to do it for five seconds it wouldn't be too much about after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of aversions if they had phobias of heights or . of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee i could get one person to give more information if i was to convince that one person that we're the good guys and that we're their friends. throughout. the time that i was there there was pressure from above for results.

they were worried about are you abiding by the conventions that wasn't the daily requests from higher command. requests that were coming down the pipeline or what information you got cooperation be on which sources have become key sources that's what they were the results because their mentality was one of the we've got them in detention the more people we're going to get to break in just a matter of time to get these guys to bring. has one tunnel more become a testing ground for interrogation techniques which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence at the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are described in documents from guantanamo in cuba.

but what is the connection and who exactly sent the request to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who got his had problems with. and if you look at the jake the request was sent october eleventh. only two days after barca's left. and one month later neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in j t f one tommo or approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection to the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four

hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself scribbled i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours. when when to back. off. then short pier and then ken miller who really. sort of. started the harsh critic weeks miller. i believe had no difficulty with pushing from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no aside this man wanted everybody to work. and believe that the only right that the people the down there. was the right to

give us intelligence was the only. where in the business of winning the global war on terror we also conduct ourselves as americans always do everything that goes on a camp delta is a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to call about because again this time he was more cooperative. and this we're back you know i called you actually a long time ago at a time you didn't want to. talk. not at liberty to give me if you did a good point. there are so many rumors. that i bow to that we don't want to. p.c. mag wrong way so what is the timeline for your story. but in order to speak freely with us he needs permission from the pentagon ok and did he. give you

permission to participate with you be available for me to do then i would make myself available correct ok really good we would it by. former commander. talk about. this case so you can you basically did it to give interview i can't. for he said it's ok. we approve it you know we're. all right we're by. the right to do it. why does the pentagon want to silence baucus. who fired him and why. and who was it that took the interrogation methods from guantanamo cuba two hundred grain and. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else.

after the scandal not too great when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other than general miller. miller was sent to a lot of great to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers posing in the picture. allowed chatting. to me yes that is an echo of this cultural sweden hire a car you wouldn't expect a fighter. i mean i know this is not. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about disputes between backus and let me because of

the turkish and cakes. i think that that's why back fired. it takes up yes. and and see everybody down it i can't ok i dare miller they were all required to sign a formal statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't get anything that they see in our heard or participated in i have to meet you if you live i mean i live in south carolina which is right on that cone. rumor has it come pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as

a general. for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle she's even said to hate general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. well i got this she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like marcus she was replaced by general miller could she know something about how interrogation methods developed kuantan a mo would show up in photos from abu ghraib in iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive if the memorandum was forwarded after backus left here's a guy who is trained as a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line knows the limitations and is forced to command the military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there

they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply down there have you met him and no i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie silence he spent with him and supposed to be there and fired first about this and then he fired you why did you talk because i didn't sign a non-disclosure statement number one and number two i know the truth i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i didn't know what was going on in cell block one a b. and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they did now someone senior to them made them to believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real

purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agree that. we don't feel like we were doing. things that we weren't supposed to because we were told. we think everything was justified because we were instructed to do this to. serve you know ourselves the telecare any requests let me. talk to secretary of defense about this just more about it i said find the truth and then tell the iraqi people and the world the truth we are we have nothing to hide and we we we are we believe in transparency because we're a free society that's for free societies to. take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the

investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted were the seven soldiers pictured in the photos. and the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the one according to karpinski general miller had already been in abu ghraib earlier before the pictures of abuse came out. he came from guantanamo on a secret mission in general no one ever mentioned it was found out later that he actually came on the same plane as secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators and the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general feresten the people from her staff that were involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operations. to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence said i i

think you're treated too well. i said you really need to treat them like dogs because if you treat them any better than that you control of the interrogation and before that meeting was over he said. with his with the lessons that they've learned. from guantanamo bay and in other locations he was going to get more wise. this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from good model left after their visit to abu ghraib just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more effective for example he wanted to use the military police who previously were only used as prison guards to prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found. that no one wants to take responsibility for the interrogation

methods the same develop. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out. these methods could be used in prison that are contradictory. contrary to the geneva convention. by the. stream. everything started. he has said in his defense. if i had been in control of that prison and knew what was going on out there it wouldn't have gone on out there.

even though karpinski and baucus lost control they both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced or maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read the documents we discover strange little detail. in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. and there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors that for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was jealous karpinski is boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with the machine gun isn't a soldier he's

a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a mercenary we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun who is hired to use that weapon you're talking about a soldier without all of the battle there are no rules regulations governing the use these people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater who can explain to us it was exactly a contractor giants. trying to reach mr berg. success and i want to show us a charter regarding press issues. and i think. blackwater so now times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. but it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over

twenty thousand private contractors in iraq they constitute the second largest force after the american army. and hundreds of firms around the world iraq private contractors. have. one search for the romanian security company. were in bucharest. show us what their services include. new work like a private company in other countries best and worst. well it is. right. in the private system more mobility. away because the. poor over the all.

have the rules it's not the left note right. all of the. so what we've got is a situation where we have a thousands of the less than those in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement of any law behind it that is not all a force. for cheapness and risk was killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper the coalition needs these people because they want to reduce the casualties. in a sense we're using freelance. mercenaries as time bags to protect not only our soldiers thought the casualty figures and focus for us.

that's going tunnels do you think there were contractors near to contractors just started to be used right it towards the end of my tour in one tunnel and there was only one or two that i saw one when i left when we're talking about upgrades the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and analysis for stare you you were a grade as soldier know and i'm great i was a civilian contractor. i mean literally this way think of it. comparable in unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the balkans think back to world war two when you take. people captive crowd to hold it or not most of us do these there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied the only difference is that we are getting rid of an unconventional war whether it is

against a private organization rather than a base state and this way think of a. conflict or unconventional war where the world is against the privatization. of the state that is if you need a worse know. it is nigeria we have here does not belong to responsible. owners or. the party of an unconventional war the us is akin to find an organization. in essence to many people who don't believe that you just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. not can you tell them. the nonstandard question she doesn't believe one if they don't believe it.

going to say what you want to tell those who don't believe in you know your story. i hope other detainees who will be released later they will be able to explain in a stronger way. i mean this things that if we understand why were you there if if. ok basically in the serial killer here we have camps for chance for hoping and in march the beginning of march in the camp for is for detainees for cooperating in detainees that are that are on getting closer to be released to syria sickness or. just off the. bloody plays it is

forces we can hear from here ok the voices they hear are around the voices of the cheney's and the chants. in a one reason why you can hear him say was because in the nighttime it's very quiet out here though not as many vehicles moving so because it's so quiet in the series you can hear the voices of the detainees well. that's a very somber day there units on a day with a certain what is a call what do they say they have the they have the opportunity to speak to one another so often. you know it's all imagine that you're talking to one another some of them may be praying some of them are just just talking and they may be talking to someone other down yelling yelling toward sam so just normal conversation and sometimes you do hear prayer to call the prayer or just chattering at a prayer. what

happens to the prisoners still canted guantanamo. and what happens to those who are released. there been nearly four hundred so neither visits to or try to move there by more than one thousand trails additionally some one hundred eighty congressional representatives go consider the facility. arguably no detention facility in the history of warfare has been more transparent or will see more snow. on top. of the us we've been at guantanamo and we still don't know what really happens inside them.

but maybe that's not the most important thing because what we do know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside them have lost their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get out. knowing if one channel are always going to be forty two dollars seventy two point nutritious fresh and arrests types of course should escalate levels we include harsher heat or cold withholding full putting for days at a time naked isolation and cold dark souls is that correct for those categorically incorrect never have carried oracle if you read.

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