as more rebels are reportedly killed by the blow of air strikes in libya are libyans were once singing nato his praises now crying out against the coalition and outraged. and the organization the u.s. went to to leave that intervention in libya become the punching bag of lawmakers on capitol hill are they really concerned with reforming the united nations or are other interests at stake here we must be firm ties with our allies and enemies must be clearly identified i hope that this administration can tell who's

who so which one is ileana ros layton and ally or enemy whether you love or hate or there's never a dull moment with this congresswoman will take a look at foreign affairs for ross colored lenses. is thursday april seventh five pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster and you're watching our t.v. now it's fighting continues in libya are the tides turning or rebels now turning on nato for failing the libyan rebels blamed a mistake a nato air strike today for killing at least two rivals and injuring more than a dozen other reports put the death toll higher now later rebel spokeswoman reportedly said the attack came from forces loyal to libyan leader moammar gadhafi but if that's the case it would be the first by libyan warplanes since the u.s.

and nato began enforcing a no fly zone in libya three weeks ago and it was accidental by nato this isn't the first time it comes after another last week killed thirteen rebels larches own piece going off is on the ground in benghazi and reports a change of tune among rebels once hailing nato as their savior now protesting in outrage as a first hand account from the rebels. a veteran of the libyan army moved to gunning serve his country all the way to retirement but now he's fighting for the revolution and is among the few rebels that branch wouldn't military training and experience. their forces are not evil we are ready to fight to the death but with these weapons we don't stand a chance against gadhafi since need to control the north winds on that region it's going to mean more than one thousand sorties in committee including four hundred attack missions new york and queens their own version of that at least forces have now been destroyed with the way to help from the skies on the ground to the rebels

are still taking a pounding. lead to a failed her civilians on the start of the daily have a mania monitors. just a week ago people got more or revolutionary always seemed interested in the point maybe don't call it the border but how people are going to. back a little girl killed or missing every day he could be really small meaning will hold over if you like the sprint tactics people writing as well call it it's like this one are becoming a common scene meenie are using need of feeling to protect civilians they are asking for help anymore the are demanding. the idea that what are they waiting for the gadhafi to fewer so we demand a new u.n. resolution which would allow only notice. but experts say arming the rebels alone

wouldn't help swing the war what they will need is not so much if anyone arms without training any me forces are now surfacing that the u.s. and egypt are congress and the copy u.n. resolution that it's damaged do not lie i know you were just going to r.t. in the media. and joining me for more now from panama city florida paul craig roberts former reagan administration official thank you so much for joining us now i want to ask you what you think it's really going on is nato failing here are the rebels turning on them is nato losing faith that they can get this done militarily and alice could offer as the u.s. wants us a very good question i think it's even broader and you know if you look at this full libyan episode it's quite different from the other protests in the other arab countries and first of all it didn't break out in the capital city like all the others it took place in the eastern part of libya where the oil lives right china

has passed vestments you managed to find out you might in china you actually believe that the united states is trying to conspire against china with their actions in libya how do you figure well i don't know exactly what i believe but that certainly comes to mind china has according to their own reports fifty large scale lower energy and construction investments in libya and john is relying on africa for its future energy needs should i go a little nigeria and libya and so what we may see here is the united states taking advantage of the protest movement to evict china from energy sources well hold on hold on a minute if that is the case you know this was all path began with a un resolution cataca vetoed it why wouldn't they have to say if the thicker so high for them. well there are a lot of reasons for that one they may not have been ready for

a confrontation with united states. two they may simply say well you know we're going to lose our investments but the americans are getting in even deeper. and three they may have thought that the resolution meant what it said it obviously has already gone way beyond the resolution the no fly zone did not permit the use of nato forces in attacking gadhafi was all to keep his planes and helicopter gunships out of the air but is two part of the military a force for the rebels another big difference is that these rebels are or aren't and isn't arming that who do you think is arming them do you think the united states is arming them at all what do you make of the reports you know we we have those reports that obama signed off for the cia to be training rebels and we saw a report from r.t. correspondent that that there's a belief that that is going on do you think that the united states is arming these

rebels. it's certainly is certainly likely because if the cia is training them then they probably also were arming but i think the most important point here is it irrespective of who is arming them is that this is an armed rebellion the others were not there was no arm rebellion in egypt or tunisia there's no army ability and in bahrain or or in really not even in yemen there are protesters. collecting themselves in the camp the cities and defying authority but they're not orange and i'm gauged in military conflicts so the the whole situation in libya is totally different form from all the others for the reasons i gave and so that then raises questions about what really is going on there what do they really have going on there i mean now we see these you know the rebels calling for nato to do more we think it probable that angry with what nato is doing we see

former united states congressman going to speak with gadhafi we see a diplomatic envoy from the u.s. and other western allies going to meet with a rival to interact we speak with khadafi so do you think that nato is kind of feeling like the military effort isn't working and are looking for another route of diplomatic route well the real question is why is nato there why is nato there to protect. and make those a north american preview organisation it was formed to defend western europe from associate invasion but what is now fighting a war in africa well that it's kind of it's kind of far from its original goals for a long time now so why do you think nato is there because the united states wants them or the idea of an elite anymore that. would of course united states lead. well yet again please you know so you think it's all just a ploy that the united states has kind of slowly step back and aren't already taneja with what we know nato wouldn't be there if united states didn't seem to be . so so then that raises the question why the united states wants him to be there

why does the united states waiting for a game it's the united states now i think the end game is to. get rid of that regime for several reasons one breaks up the channels or supply from libya to it gets rid of gadhafi who refused to join the united states african command you know we've set up an african command and two thousand and seven and the purpose i think was to counteract china's economic penetration. with american military organization so look at forty nine of the african countries and the united states african man and he does he refused so that's another reason to want him out and a third reason is he's not a us puppet and so we the americans don't completely control the mediterranean coast now and poking at the mediterranean one issue i want to brought up you

brought up bring a little bit about syria where there is you know protest then going on now do you think that the united states is much closer to a libya as far as its relation to the united states than egypt or other countries where we've seen protests talk range yemen do you think that washington will get involved in syria i think that's the intention you see syria. provides the russian naval base in the mediterranean how much would it ever fly though because russia has a base in syria russia would i mean it would never get past the u.n. security council i don't think. well they won't necessarily go to the u.n. security council but i think they do. they would just act well there was say oh these terrible things that haven't happened and we've got to save the syrian people but you know you know who knows what they'll do they'll do what they think they can get away with and i don't i can't predict or what all i can observe is that in the

case of syria and libya there hair there are these differences. if they can so they can overthrow those countries they can get russia out of the drain and they can get chana out of the mediterranean and that is probably a goal of the people in washington that you have three big players russia china the united states that kind of could all be pitted against each other in these two countries do you think that's a logical a to a much larger issue between the three broad powers it could there's a risk as i think the americans are being too aggressive given the nature of the risk for miscalculation there is a risk and just really quickly what do you think it would take for our there to detect in point what with us doing that would make that tipping point. if they push too hard or what their solutions are. you know i don't know how china and russia

will view their national interest what they would say is as threatening i can't predict that because i'm not inside their minds but somewhere along the line there has to be a trip a trip point where pushed too far and the americans are full of hubris and arrogance and they don't mind using military power to extend their reach and they just may push too far you never know it's it's certainly not a risk that i think should be taken it's you know if they if they want to do something like this it better be sure that it's not interpreted by other nuclear powers as a threat to their own. security interests and our feeling for how this all is perceived and it gets me to tipping point but i appreciate you weighing in now with roberts former reagan administration official. still ahead right here on r.g.p. it is extreme make over the one edition from relations with israel to china up next

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well as we've been talking about libya the united states went to the united nations to take the lead on military intervention in that country and no fly zone but this week the u.n. has become a punching bag of u.s. lawmakers as ambassador to the u.n. susan rice has been on the hill defending organization against budget cuts hearing today on reforming the u.n. quickly pitted believers against nonbelievers take a listen to the u.n. we all agree it's far from perfect but it delivers real results for every american by advancing us security through genuine burden sharing we should pay for you in programs and activities that advanced our interests and our values if other countries want different things to be funded they can pay for it or more now i'm joined by matthew lee journalist for any inner city press dot com he really has the

pulse of the united nations he is in there i think you might live there actually what have you thank you for joining us now especially as you just heard this hearing today pitted rice against lawmakers who both kind of agree that the united nations needs to be reform but they have different approaches to it rice is the reformer she believes change comes from within and house republicans are kind of isolationists they're like we want out so how is rice's approach working. i mean i guess i actually have to i don't want to say i disagree with the premise of your question but i mean reporting on the u.n. every day i don't really think the obama administration and susan rice are really trying to reform the kind of management of the u.n. you know there have been a number of sort of overspending and corruption scandals on which they do very little i mean they are active and of late they've gotten security council resolutions they wanted but i think that she's she felt a need to say to the house because it's a sort of a it's a commonly held view in congress that you at least among republicans that the u.n. is you know corrupt an anti israel etc so she felt the need to say i acknowledge

that but it helps us but in reality she was there pretty much advocating for the un as it is and i think that's what sort of has a sort of in terms of the way the way at the u.n. is run it hasn't really improved itself in terms of its management under the obama people because they're not trying to reform it so it's just a talking point it's just bad posturing i think exactly i mean i think if you think about it's almost like they should be sort of in the middle that the u.n. should really should be ban ki-moon the secretary general saying we do a good job give us money republicans saying you know no you do x. y. and z. and then the and then and then the and then maybe a barn official somewhere being in the middle and saying hey you know this criticism is true this one isn't instead it's really sort of it's almost like when obama ran in two thousand and eight against bush he basically said i'm different than bush i like the u.n. the u.n. is good will work with it having said that there are really don't have a lot of leverage to actually reform the sort of corrupt parts of the u.n. but at the leverage i mean the united states and to think that it can. well i mean

i guess what i'm saying they obviously have i mean they're a very powerful country i just don't see them using it it's almost like they get together i'll give an example right now i mean that the context in which today's hearings took place in d.c. is the day before will probably be a shutdown of the government or may or may not be but anyway there's a lot of talk of needing to tighten the purse strings across the whole u.s. budget right three weeks ago ban ki moon the secretary general announced a three percent cut in un budget when you look into it it's it's much less it doesn't really apply to higher to post meaning my personal cost it's just sort of like overhead costs but it feels pretty clear that sort of like the obama administration and the ban ki moon came up and said we'd better have some kind of an announcement you know on record before we have to go down to congress and try to defend the budget but the reality is it's not much of a cut and you know i'm not actually i cover the u.n. i don't think i think there's some things that are to do are quite good but there's sort of no accountability in the u.n. i.e. when there's a corruption scandal nobody gets fired you know when peacekeepers are found to be sexually abusing people and in the peacekeeping missions in africa they never get

disciplined and i think that's that to me is a major problem and i don't see obama and rice doing anything to correct that so then the u.s. cut funding pretty united nations and withhold funding away that kind of a house republicans are urging in order to change things. you know i think that inevitably that does sort of lead to some discipline and you know the downside to it is i think a lot of the political sway for this is things to like you know to defund things that are perceived as being as anti israel and stuff i don't think that there's a lot of you know one of the problems is there's enough ruslan actually knows pretty much about the u.n. but there's a lot of a lot of the u.n. bashers in congress don't really know much about it so they just sort of they have this perception that it's sort of a you know a secret meetings of trashing israel there's actually like some good work being done but just a lot of been a lot of arrogance and a lot of unless i mean basically the current un is violating its own rules they have an envoy to libya who's at the same time paid by the government of jordan without even getting into any kind of conspiracy theory of global service it's totally against the u.n. charter to be a u.n.

envoy and paid by the government but thinking we just did it and rice and obama didn't say anything about it the demand for them to have the yeah i get it i depend on which interests are more important you know pick and choose your battles and one day you were right u.s. u.s. lawmakers definitely making that hearing today is that perception on their part that the united states that the u.n. rather is anti israel has an anti israel bias i want to play a little montage of clips. from americans historic. israel to the wolves where your frustrated. you were using israel as a punching bag. duces resolutions criticizing condemning israel into israel. that the un tends to exhibit the un continues to be used to propagate anti israel bias so you're exactly right you hit a nail in the head but i'm curious from your perspective being at the u.n. every day how do other members perceive this situation and they perceive the u.n. as having an anti israel bias and a neighbor perceive the u.s.

as not supporting israel. you know i mean i guess what i'd say is that it is a sort of in terms of the number of people directly involved in both on the palestinian side and in israel it is it does get inordinate focus by the u.n. and we could contrast it for example to like you know the wars in the democratic republic of the congo which is killed something like five million people in the last decade but obviously it's a very symbolic it's a very important battle and it's one that has been with the u.n. since the beginning with since they created the state of israel so it's i think the perception is there was when obama came in perception i would describe it journalistically without saying it's right or wrong it's kind of a hope on the part of a lot of the certainly the middle eastern countries that they would that the u.s. under obama would be less support a visit of israel as you probably saw the obama did cast a veto on a pretty pretty watered down resolution that basically would have just said that settlements built by israel on occupied palestinian land are violations of

international law and that's true in that it is a violation of law to build to put your people into occupied land but i think the about you know this is i think one way to understand is that israel for whatever reason is probably the number one foreign policy issue of the united states certainly of the congress for a variety of reasons and so they see the u.n. just through that prism i mean it although there's a lot of discussion of israel at the u.n. it's by no means the only thing in fact there's a lot of the security council meets eighty percent of the time about countries in africa that probably very rarely get discussed in congress right and i want to ask you to because one of if you think that coming out was the night of employment that the united states had any when i compared to the amount that it runs the u.n. and should the u.s. be funding an organization that doesn't just like singularly push for what it wants but how influential is the u.s. and the united nations because i've from the conversations we've had in the past year you seem to indicate a pay have their hands and more and have more employment then largely anybody else . you know the i would say i agree with that i mean i guess i'll cover it closely

enough that i'd say like you know for example on the loop on the libya resolution of authorizing the no fly zone and all necessary means to protect civilians it's pretty it's you know it's it's it's some of the reporting is been accurate but it is true to say that when the u.s. has a position change and they decided they wanted no fly zone plus they pretty much got it so they definitely are the are the you know the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room so that the what i end up sort of seeing is that since i also look at what's happening in d.c. you'll see i'll give an example you'll see the obama administration saying it's very committed to protecting people in darfur and then you see in the security council they're not actually using their influence to do that i'm sure if they wanted to they could do a lot more but their focus it's sort of like they're able to play off i feel like the people the supporters of obama or largely the same people concerned about darfur and they just sort of assume that obama and rice are doing their bidding and fighting the good fight in the u.n. and when you look at it there are you know that the u.n. is doing very little to protect civilians and therefore in any of the major to take

this is elsewhere it's interesting that you mention that and that's something that seems and right there right really played out today thing that the united states is making efforts and making progress in sudan and that's one of the great highlights of what the u.n. can do and what they can do with anyone now something i have to ask you about that something i was just talking about with my last gaff i want to know how it's perceived by other members of the u.n. pathetically russia and china what the united states is doing in midair right now are they perceived as overstepping a resolution and is there repercussions that are being felt. yes or actually was just and just before coming here was that there was a russian and then actually about space and cosmonauts maybe your channel will be covering it but i spoken to both both investors russia and china i mean they are sort of after the fact they're now this is describing that that you know the the entire coalition is going beyond the on the mandate which is really you know this was all done in the name of protecting civilians and now there's talk there's discussion of there was an obama order to allow the cia in there's very open

discussion in the the u.k. and france in the u.s. of arming the rebels so there's this grumbling i mean what a lot of people wonder is why you know these are two pretty sophisticated countries china and russia why you know why didn't they veto it they abstained you know germany have stayed in the abstain brazil abstain but certainly russia and china could have stopped it i guess you know the way that things are being covered at the time and it's true it's i mean could i ask is is is a pretty brutal leader and was was absolutely driving on benghazi so it was kind of a the timing at which the vote was taken it would have been very difficult was the country really didn't care how you have to veto it right i mean you haven't really followed it yeah has followed through oh sorry not you and that's are not you we're out of time but i can't wait to talk to you again it's always a pleasure thank you for bringing us that infighter perspective and matthew lee journalist with any press. need while you saw a lot of ileana roughly in that last report she is the powerful chairwoman of the house foreign affairs committee she starts their post in many of the very tentative

foreign policy that the obama administration is pushing for resetting with russia trading with china more open relations she often takes a different view and we're looking at that tolbert looking at what what influence that could have and also where that all comes from killing for take a look at the world through. you know how we can make this an even better to her fans she's a dog a defender of democracy this is really let me hear from you mr berman if i may give her food she's a ferocious she's. going to rustling the new chairman of the house foreign affairs committee the more radical right wingers or. porton positions within the republican party and they've managed to acquire strategic positions within the four paulson refrains often today when it comes to dealing with coming threats world leaders are met with an open hand from president obama and a clenched fist from. a cuban exile who came to the us as

a child following the cuban revolution in one nine hundred fifty nine. roslyn in one her seat in congress twenty years ago in a campaign centered on freeing terrorist orlando bosh responsible for the bombing of this cuban airliner that killed seventy three people. but is a large florida thanks great part to the efforts of. the now we can imagine what it will be like with them actually setting the agenda within the committee that is setting the legislative agenda in her three months as chairman roslyn has wasted no time we must maintain firm ties with our allies and enemies must be clearly identified i hope that this administration can tell who's who for her allies she has expressed and we support this is the most desired

congresswoman congress person. that exists today she is somebody who has unreservedly supported israel in all of its most violent. really genocidal acts for those cheap perceived as i don't mean like china it's all tough talk if the president repression continue. news the beijing games will indeed become the genocide olympics critics say roslin and has a double standard on human rights denouncing photos and giving friends a free pass she counters office and meyer the dalai lama but there's there's really no consistency if you look at her politics if that were the case then she wouldn't be advocating for the neglect of the palestinian people and the usurpation of the mocker safer people in honduras she's also taken a tough stance on the united nations i think that it's a place that's made up of bullies and big. after two years of obama style

multilateralism the chairman has made it her mission to limit the un's power in. this ministry this is the street and their orders were really. sure anything that we were ready for the you were also on her chopping block the administration's two years of building economic and political partnerships with countries like russia has russia not been providing nuclear technology and assistance to iran for decades has russia not provided missile assistance to ran for decades even as the us depends on russia's support for un sanctions against iran republican aides say that unlike her predecessor eager to defer to the white house on matters of foreign policy i was a tough stance like hers obama faces in trying to reset relations with strategic.