as more rebels are killed by the blows of air strikes in libya are libyans who were once singing nato's praises now crying out against the coalition in outrage. and the organization the u.s. went to to lead that intervention in libya becomes the punching bag of lawmakers on capitol hill are they really concerned with reforming the united nations or other interests at stake. we must maintain firm ties with our allies and enemies must be clearly identified i hope that this administration can tell who's who so

which one is ileana ros layton and ally or enemy whether you love her or hate her there is never a dull moment with this congresswoman we'll take a look at foreign affairs iraq colored glasses. that evening it's thursday april seventh eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster you're watching our team now it's fighting continues in libya are the tides turning a rebels now turning on nato for failing libyan rebels blamed a mistaken nato air strike today for killing up to seven some doctors on the ground reported thirteen later a rebel spokeswoman and some eyewitnesses on the ground said the attack actually came from forces loyal to libyan leader moammar gadhafi but if that's the case it will be the first by libyan warplanes since the u.s. and nato began and forcing a no fly. as in libya three weeks ago and it was accidental this isn't the first on

the part of nato if it comes after another last week killed thirteen bubbles archies own igor piece that office on the ground in benghazi and reports a change of tune among rebels once hailing nato as their savior now protesting in outrage here's a firsthand account. veteran of the libyan army moved to serve his country all the way to retirement but now he's fighting for the revolution and is among the few rebels the brunt would military training and experience. their forces are not even though we are ready to fight to the death but with these weapons we don't stand a chance against gadhafi since nato who control the north winds on operation it's going to mean more than one thousand sorties in committee including four hundred attack missions the un's queens around the bird of that at least forces have now been destroyed it is quite a help from the stains on the ground for the rebels are still taking

a pounding. read to us failed there are civilians in the strike and we daily have grainy monitors. just a week ago people got more for the revolution the scene the interest the weight may feel for the poor but at the bright line kids back in the little girl the all gone missing every day it's really a more meaningful hold over your life is pretty hectic even writing as well frank this one are becoming uncommon seen me using need of feeling to protect civilians they are asking for help in the are demanding. that i don't know you were on their way to school so gadhafi took us so we demand a new u.n. resolution which would allow only notice. but experts say arming the rebels alone wouldn't help swing the war with the rebels need is not so much

a new arms or training being too many reports are now surfacing that the u.s. and egypt are overtly training and development forces going beyond them and the u.n. resolution that established do not know i know you're going to spin off our being in the media. and joining me for more now from panama city florida paul craig roberts former reagan administration official thank you so much for joining us now i want to ask you what you think it's really going on is nato failing here are the rebels turning on them is nato losing faith that they can get this done militarily endows as often as the u.s. wants us to very good question i think it's even broader. you know if you look at this whole libyan episode it's quite different from the other protests in the other arab countries and first of all it didn't break out in the chapter city like all the others it took place in the eastern part of libya where there. has been asked

and best ones you measures will find out you mentioned china you actually believe that the united states is trying to conspire against china with their actions in libya how do you figure well i don't know exactly what i believe but that certainly comes to mind chatter here is according to their own reports fifty large scale that are energy and construction investments in libya and john is relying on africa for its future energy needs should i mean go a little nigeria and libya and so what we may see here is the united states taking advantage of the protest movement to evict china from its energy sources well hold on hold on a minute if that is the case you know this was all path began with a u.n. resolution caterpillar vetoed it why wouldn't they have the say if the stakes were so high for them. well there are a lot of reasons for that one they may not have been ready for

a confrontation with the united states. too they may simply say well you know we're going to lose our investments but the americans are getting in an even deeper. and three they may have thought that the resolution meant what it said it obviously has already gone way beyond the resolution of the fly zone did not permit the use of nato forces in attacking gadhafi was only to keep his planes and helicopter gunships out of the air but has now turned into a military force for the rebels another big difference is that these rebels are armed. what isn't arming them who do you think is arming them do you think the united states is arming them at all what do you make of the reports you know we have those reports that obama signed off for the cia to be training rebels and we saw a report from our state correspondent that that there is a belief that that is going on do you think that the united states is arming

israel's. that is certainly certainly likely because if the cia is training them then they probably also warming up but i think the most important for us is it irrespective of who's arming them is this here's an armed rebellion the others who are not there was no armor a billion in egypt or tunisia there's no armor ability and in bahrain or or and really not even in human or protesters. collecting themselves in the capital cities and defying authority but they're not all armed they're not and gauged in military conflicts the whole situation in libya is totally different form from all the others for the reasons i gave and so that then raises questions about what really is going on there what do you think really is going on there i mean how we see these you know the rebels calling for nato to do more we see the problems angry with what nato is doing we see former united states congressman going to speak with

gadhafi with the magical envoy from the u.s. and other western allies going to meet with the rebels and directly speak with khadafi so do you think that nato is kind of feeling like the military effort isn't working and are looking for another route a diplomatic route well the real question is why is nato there why is nato there to protect you know and of course when they doze a north american treaty organization it was formed to defend western europe from associate invasion what is now fighting a war in africa well that it's gonna have gotten far from its original goals for a long time now so why do you think nato is there. because united states or somewhere there is beethoven in the lead anymore there. but of course united states leads nato well you know everything is there so you think it's all just a ploy the united states has kind of seen really step back and hand out already to nato but what we know nato wouldn't be there if united states didn't send it. so so then that raises the question why the united states more time to be there why does

the united states when you think a game it's the united states now i think the end game is to. get rid of the regime for several reasons one it breaks up china as well supplied from from libya to get rid of gadhafi who refuse to join the united states paratrooper in command you know we've set up an african command and in two thousand and seven the purpose i think was to counteract china's economic penetration. with american military organization so you get forty nine of the african countries and the united states eric information ok does he refuse to that's another reason to want him out of the third reason is he's not a us puppet and so we the americans don't completely control the mediterranean coast now i'm sorry king of the mediterranean one issue i want to put up you

brought up written a little bit about syria where there is you know protest then going on now do you think that the united states syria is much closer to a libya as far as its relation to the united states then egypt or other countries where we've seen protests brain yemen do you think that washington will get involved in syria. i think that's the intention you see syria. provides the russian naval base in the mediterranean how much would it ever fly though because that russia has a base in syria russia what i mean i would never get past the u.n. security council i don't think. well they won't necessarily go to the rear and security like you think they do. they would just act well there was so you go well these terrible things that haven't happened and we've got to save the syrian people but you you know who knows what they'll do they'll do what they think they can get away with and i don't i can't predict at all i can observe yes i did in the case of

syria and libya there have there are these differences. taken so those countries i think get russia out of the better terrain and they get chana out of the mediterranean and that is probably a goal of the people in washington so you have three big players russia china the united states that kind of could all be pitted against each other in these two countries do you think that that's alaska late to a much larger issue between the three world powers it could there's a risk as i think the americans are being too aggressive given the nature of the risk for miscalculation there is a risk and just really quickly what do you think it would take her for there to be a tipping point what would the u.s. do it would make that tipping point. if they push too hard or what their solutions are. you know i don't know how china and russia will view. what they would say

is i care because i'm not and so their minds but somewhere along the line there has to be a trip report we are pushing for and the americans are full of hubris and arrogance and they don't mind using military power to extend their reach and they just may push too far you never know if it's certainly not a risk that i think should be taken you know i think if they want to do something like this they better be sure that it's not interpreted all the nuclear powers as a threat to their own. security interests are not going to be how this all is perceived and it does reach a tipping point but i appreciate you weighing in on us paul craig roberts former reagan administration official. still ahead here on r t it's extreme make over you when edition from relations with israel to china up next here why some members of

congress feel the u.n. need the payslip iraq colored glasses. what drives the world the fear of growing use by politicians who makes decisions to break through the way who can you trust no one who is in view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t.v. question more. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know the time part of the big picture.

well as we've been talking about libya the united states went to the united nations to take the lead on military intervention in that country and no fly zone but this week the u.n. is become a punching bag of u.s. lawmakers as ambassador to the u.n. susan rice has been on the hill defending the organization against budget cuts hearing today on reforming the when quickly pitted believers against nonbelievers take a listen to the u.n. we all agree it's far from perfect but it delivers real results for every american by advancing u.s. security through genuine burden sharing we should pay for u.n. programs and activities that advance our interests and our values if other countries want different things to be funded they can pay for it. for more now i'm joined by matthew lee journalist for any intercity press dot com he really has the pulse of the united nations here and there i think you might live there actually

may have you thank you for joining us now and that's actually as you just heard that hearing today headed right against the lawmakers who both kind of agreed that the united nations needs to be reformed that they have different approaches to rice and reform or she believes change comes from way then and house republicans are kind of isolationist they're like we want out so how is rice's approach working i mean i guess i actually have to i don't want to say i disagree with the premise of your question but i mean reporting on the u.n. every day i don't really think the obama administration and susan rice or really trying to reform the kind of management of the u.n. or the you know there have been a number of sort of overspending and corruption scandals on which they do very little i mean they are active and of late they've gotten security council resolutions they've wanted but i think that she's she felt a need to say to the house because it's a sort of a it's a commonly held view in congress that the you at least among republicans at the u.n. is you know corrupt an anti israel etc so she felt the need to say i knowledge that but it helps us but in reality she was there pretty much advocating for the un as

it is and i think that's what sort of as a sort of in terms of the way that with the u.n. is run it hasn't really improved itself in terms of its management under the obama people because they're not trying to reform it so it's just a talking point it's just posturing. i think exactly i mean i think if you think about it's almost like they should be sort of in the middle that the u.n. should really really should be ban ki moon the secretary general saying we do a good job give us money the republicans saying you know no you do x. y. and z. and then the and then and then the and then maybe a politician somewhere being in the middle and saying hey you know this criticism is true this one isn't instead it's really sort of it's almost like when obama ran in in two thousand and eight against bush he basically said i'm different than bush i like the u.n. the u.n. is good will work with it having said that there are really don't have a lot of leverage to actually reform the sort of corrupt parts of the u.n. but having leverage i mean the united states seems to think that it can you know i mean i guess what i'm saying they have easily have i mean they're

a very powerful country i just don't see them using you know the it's almost like they get together i'll give an example right now i mean that the context in which today's hearings took place in d.c. is a day before we'll probably be a shutdown of the government it may or may not be but anyway there's a lot of talk of needing to tighten the purse strings across the whole u.s. budget right three weeks ago ban ki-moon the secretary general announced a three percent cut in u.n. budget when you look into it it's it's much less it doesn't really apply to higher to two posts meaning like personnel costs it's just sort of like overhead costs but it feels pretty clear that sort of like the obama administration and the ban ki moon came up and said we better have some kind of an announcement you know on record before we have to go down to congress and try to defend the budget but the reality is it's not much of a cut and you know i'm not actually i come to the u.n. i don't think i think there are some things that are just that they do are quite good but there's sort of no accountability in the u.n. i.e. when there's a corruption scandal nobody gets fired you know when peacekeepers are found to be sexually abusing people and in the peacekeeping missions in africa they never get disciplined and i think that's that to me is

a major problem and i don't see obama and rice doing anything to correct that so then the u.s. happening pretty united nations and not helping a way that somebody is house republicans are urging in order to change the. you know i think that. that does sort of lead to some discipline and you know the downside to it is i think a lot of the political sway for those things to like you know to defund things that are perceived as being as anti israel and stuff i don't think that there's a lot of you know one of the problems is there's enough ruslan to actually knows pretty much about the u.n. but there's a lot of a lot of the you investors in congress don't really know much about it so they just sort of they have this perception that it's sort of a you know a secret meetings of trashing israel there's actually like some good work being done but just a lot of that a lot of arrogance and a lot of unless i mean basically the current un is violating its own rules they have an envoy to libya who's at the same time paid by the government of jordan without even getting into any kind of conspiracy theory of global service it's totally against the u.n. charter to be a u.n. envoy and paid by a government for thinking we just did it and rice and obama didn't say anything

about it and i guess the demand for them to have the yeah i get it depends on which interests are more important you know pick and choose your battles and you were right u.s. lawmakers definitely taken that hearing today is that perception on their part that the united states at the u.n. rather is an anti israel i want to play a little montage of clips jew in effect through americans. israel to the wolves where you're frustrated. you were using punching. duces resolutions criticizing content mean israel israel bias at the u.n. tends to exhibit the un continues to be used to propagate anti israel bias so you're exactly right you hit the nail on the head but i'm curious from your perspective being at the u.n. every day how do other members perceive this situation and they perceive the u.n. as having an anti israel bias and a per se the u.s.

is not actually supporting israel. you know i mean i guess what i'd say is that it is a sort of in terms of the number of people directly involved in both on the palestinian side and in israel it is it does get inordinate focus by the u.n. and we could contrast it for example to like you know the wars in the democratic republic of the congo which has killed something like five million people in the last decade but obviously it's a very symbolic it's a very important battle and it's one that has been with the u.n. since the beginning since they created the state of israel so it's i think the perception is that it was when obama came in perception i would describe it journalistically without saying it's right or wrong it's kind of a hope on the part of a lot of the sort of middle eastern countries that they would that the u.s. under obama would be less supportive as a of israel as you probably saw the obama did cast a veto on a pretty pretty watered down resolution that basically would have just said that settlements built by israel on occupied palestinian land or violations of international law and that's true it is a violation of law to build to put your people into occupied land but i think the

obama you know this is i think one way to understand is that israel for whatever reason is probably the number one foreign policy issue of the united states certainly of the congress for a variety of reasons and so they see the u.n. just through that prism i mean although there's a lot of discussion of israel at the u.n. it's by no means the only thing in fact there's a lot of the security council meets eighty percent of the time about countries in africa that probably very rarely get discussed in congress right and i want to ask you because one of the issues that kept coming up was the night of employment that the united states had any when compared to the amount that it runs do you plan and should the u.s. be finding an organization that doesn't like singularly push for what it wants but how influential is the u.s. and the united nations because of kind of conversations we've had in the past and you know you think educated they have their hand then more and have more employment then largely anybody else. you know the i would say i agree with that i mean i guess i cover it closely enough that i'd say like you know for example on the loop

on the libya resolution authorizing the no fly zone and all necessary means to protect civilians it's pretty it's you know it's it's it's some of the reporting has been accurate but it is true to say that when the u.s. position changed and they decided they wanted no fly zone plus they pretty much got it so they definitely are the are the you know the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room so the what i end up sort of seeing is that since i also look at what's happening in d.c. you'll see i'll give an example you'll see the obama administration saying it's very committed to protecting people in darfur and then you see in the security council they're not actually using their influence to do their i'm sure if they wanted to they could do a lot more but their focus it's sort of like they're able to play off i feel like the people the supporters of obama or largely the same people concerned about their floor and they just sort of assume that obama and rice are doing their bidding and fighting the good fight in the u.n. and when you look at it there are you know that the u.n. is doing very little to protect civilians and therefore in any of the major take

this is elsewhere it's interesting that you mention that at something that. their rights really played out today saying that the united states is making efforts and making progress in sudan and that's one of the great highlights of what the u.n. can get what they can get with anyone now something i have to ask about that something i was just talking about with my last guest i want to know how it's perceived by other members of the u.n. patheticly russia and china what the united states is doing and libya right now are they perceived as overstepping a resolution and is there repercussions that are being felt. yes you're actually was just on just before coming here was that there was a russian event actually about space and cosmonauts maybe your channel would be covering it but i was talking to both the both investors of russia and china i mean they are sort of after the fact there are now this disc rumbling that you know the the entire coalition is going beyond beyond the mandate which is really you know this was all done in the name of protecting civilians and now there's talk there's discussion of there was an obama order to allow the cia in there's very open

discussion in the ear of the u.k. and france and the u.s. of arming the rebels so there's this grumbling i mean what a lot of people wonder is why you know these are two pretty sophisticated countries trying in russia why you know why didn't they veto it they abstained you know germany germany and stayed in the abstain brazil abstain but certainly russia and china could have stopped it. and that was matthew lee journalist with intercity. now meanwhile you heard in that report a lot of passion ileana roth late and she is the chair of the house foreign affairs committee the newly appointed chair of that committee and she is outspoken on many views that are very polar opposite to the obama administration when it comes to foreign policy and take a look at what those issues are and what the implications of her positions could be r.t.f. kalen port take a look. you know how we can make this and even better for her fans to dog a defender of democracy this is really let me hear from you mr berman if i may just for food she's a ferocious she's. going to work making the new chairman of the house foreign

affairs committee more radical right wingers or. you know poured into the republican party and it managed to acquire strategic. foreign policy missions often today when it comes to dealing with common threats world leaders are met with an open hand from president obama and a clenched fist from russia. a cuban exile who came to the u.s. as a child following the cuban revolution in one nine hundred fifty nine one hundred eleven rushlight in one her seat in congress twenty years ago in a campaign centered on freeing terrorist orlando bosch responsible for the bombing of this cuban airliner that killed seventy three people the kind of the kind. that large in florida thanks to the efforts of really a rustler and so now we can imagine what it will be like with actually setting the

agenda with the committee that is setting the legislative agenda in her three months as chairman ross lehtinen has wasted no time we must maintain firm ties with our allies and enemies must be clearly identified i hope that this is ministration can tell who's who for her allies has expressed unwavering support this is the most zionist congresswoman congressperson. that exists today she is somebody who has unreservedly supported israel in all of its most violent. really genocidal acts produce cheaper seeds of enemy fights china it's all tough talk if the present repression continue. use the beijing games will indeed become the genocide olympics critics say roslin and has a double standard on human rights denouncing photos and giving friends

a free pass she counter cell phones and mire of the dalai lama but there's there's really no consistency if you look at her politics if that were the case then she wouldn't be advocating for the neglect of the palestinian people and the usurpation of her knockers say for people in honduras she's also taking a tough stance on the united nations i think that it's a place that's made up of bullies and dictators and after two years of obama's multilateralism the chairman has made it her mission to limit the un's power in. this industry this is history and there's an order for eight. years showing any that we were right.

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