from the united states and from the european calendar countries like this this is completely just pretty if you start putting up in soon outer space. you know you're watching r t the headlines in russia and paris and hold more events to commemorate the plane crash that killed the polish president and like the five others on its merits here the country's leader and a large part of the political elite were on their way to events another trying to cut him some. rebel disillusionment with nato as actions in libya turns to anger after the general interest to apologize for so-called friendly fire

and strikes which killed decision francis. and u.s. lawmakers scraped together an agreement on billions in spending cuts now a averting first government shutdown in fifteen minutes if the shutdown it happened to hundreds of thousands of public employees or from the soldiers or any teachers who have been paid. but next more on the first anniversary of the plane crash in this romance in our spotlight show while the nerve endings guests look at how the tragedy has affected relations between russia and president. hello again i want to spotlight the interview show. today where commemorating the end of the tragic plane crash at the airfield near the russian city of smolensk and

the location headed by i wish president left a chance he was on their way to russia to take part in the morning ceremony for thousands of polish victims of the nine hundred forty cats in mass plane crash just short of a runway at a russian. tragedy shocked people on both sides of the border both in poland and russia but today a year after the crash we're looking at how the tragedy has affected the relations between the two countries here in our moscow studio we'll have the executive separately of the russian polish group on difficult issues. and from war so we're joined by the chairman of the polish same foreign affairs committee and hundred pilots. thousands of polish officers were executed by stalin secret police in russia seventy years ago after blaming the nazi regime for the crime forty years later the u.s.s.r. acknowledged solid secret police was responsible for the deaths for all these years

the murders poisoned relations between moscow and was sort of a last april the prime ministers of russia and poland went to cotton to commemorate the victims of the massacre and turned the page in the bilateral relations. just days later polish president lech kaczynski died in a plane crash on his way to a cart and then a racial ceremony the international aviation commission investigated and blamed the polish pilots responsible for the accident but warsaw says the results are incomplete saying moscow was covering up mistakes by russia. air traffic control was. some produce and song reports on the tragedy. hello. hello hello upon her and jay thank you to have to do thank you for joining us thank you for joining us and well i'd like to ask tell me if you if you let me the first question i want to i want to ask to plan. which is or guest yes there was

race would be very very get thrown out how did the polish public opinion towards the russians how did it change over this past year did you do you monitor the results of the public opinion polls. yes of course it's one of the visible first of all it's a longer period than one year only because i think the crucial and very important. they all the time was the visit of prime minister putin. so it was the. september. second world war and during this event. put in prime minister putin said a very important world that we have to name evil as evil and we cannot

accept evil as a whole. so these are values which are fundamentally of. good we'll. just a good sign for for friendly corporation. praying in the presidential. plane crash last year. was a tragic moment but during this tragedy i remember from. the havior ordinary people on towards. oh and your authorities and rational thought it was. very active it was human reaction and this human the v.a. actions it was very big. for this friendly corporation friendly relations on this fundamental through which was build before so i think it was

a very natural expectation of this good emotions between us during the tragedy i think we have heard a lot during this year from prague and including accusations lots of accusations you sure did monitor the russian public opinion so what was the tendency in russia how did russians according to the polls react to the whole situation after the tragedy i absolutely was mr chairman he said the russians directed nature really and in a very human. way and there was no any other way to react and i like this approach mr chairman started not with the tragedy at least with the first of september. to solve them tonight or with this meeting at rest the plot them in poland because our approach to each other probe this appeasement if you like between russia and poland it's not that. much all there and this critical tests are free in

smolensk and we created quite a lot before to build this mutual confidence in the russian and polish elites and one of those spots of the society of those who feel. a style to such other and there is right up to the moment of the. accident to move the mood somehow if peace be moved. with a better understanding of each other and that is why probably because of the special that our reaction was so nature will so prompt so if and then we managed to convert from the trilogy a bit of relations. in some alinsky poland lost not only its head of state but a significant part of its political and military elete how be where the consequences for the political stability in the country has poland recovered yet from this blow

well first of all the stay at the deltora it is so active this is the constitution the constitution says what the doing such a situation it was but of course it was a very. difficult very tough moment for all of us we lost our friends but also we lost the key persons key decision makers. i think that the most important thing for the. relations between the states and relations between the politicians and relations between the societies the ordinary people. not to politicize the tragedy. you speak about not politicizing the tragedy but i know that pretty soon in may we're expecting the publication of the final conclusions by the polish side do you have any idea what should we expect from this paper with the politics of all of the

peer like a junior talk and but the there are two things and they would like to finish the first sentence that first of all i'm not so naive. to expect not using corso in internal politics the tragedy as emotions and you have also the same situation in. russia i remember the press conference on the grounds organized by. former the old person with their white. and old k.g.b. officer who said why mr putin is there this is not our. interest to be there because. because of his point of view we have also politicians who are against this but relations or against how to say no to using emotions does better emotions in politics but this is merging and i would like to.

see those people us imagine of this. situation if you are talking about. the marx report or the other things which are of. allowed in our society we expect i think because so our common interests and common expectation are the final is a. and of the process of having the final opinion what was the case but it should be explained in complete the document and unfortunately the first attempt of the makes was. uncomplete it was not complete this is our opinion and this is the expectation we have to have. the process. given transparent but also completely.

after we hear how you have a comment do you agree with that opinion you accepted model as this approach because it's really a reasonable approach and thank you to. the chairman. for these in the state of the nation committee report or as we call it here in russian marks. report really it was a report of the intonation institution chosen by both parties involved but then. somehow or was forward by the respective and bew investigation made by. two parts russia and poland separately they are all polish released so they pretty separated in investigation provided by the german prosecutor office here in russia and i guess in my in maybe can really finalize finalize all these investigations then i guess we will move will move quite

a compromise because in general everything is clear the tragedy happened because it's like happened it's only us is the deal so we don't need to play with details on the political field i agree with with the opinion that generally the facts are well known but also. object to. objectivity should be done with the most important thing but generally of course we know the facts. but this year years since national relation committee met we have come just quoted release a report in january twelfth citing pilot error as the main cause of the crash which occurred when the plane hit true. well attempting to land that in fake fog is polish opinion ready in principle to accept the truth if it will contain accusations against russia if there were it should not contain accusations

against russia and in this case the polish public it really will be more ready to accept the truth what what's your feeling first of all we had to run today the press conference of general persecutor. of the public opinion worse in the form to. all those politicians who are talking all they gave the question marks concerning the. plane crash. with russian and on. not for because of the process of explanations so we have the polish investigation published investigation we will give us a final explanation what was done before the flight during the flight and also

how it was sort of nice to. have to exclude we have to. not listen to the people who are talking about artificial for some kind of you know stupid explanations with. political background. you have to the russian public opinion have to listen to voices through our financial institutions and the this is my remark to this question that's. chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the polish parliament speaking to us live from from warsaw and here in the studio we have till monday and they exactly have secretary of the russian and polish group on difficult issues the spotlight will be back shortly how to take a break so stay with us don't go. for

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going there in a cold well gentlemen but in. general first of all i would like to remind our viewers that that cat cat in the place where the tragedy last year a clear appearance there for decades this town has been a stumbling block in relations between russia and poland but the situation has begun to change spotlights you know the dimmy there has more in that. in one thousand food cart and massacre one in this to me to twenty thousand. were murdered on stalin's orders is one of the most bitter represented in ruination between russia and poland the u.s.s.r. denied it and had committed the crime blaming people on the nazis it was me. who admitted the truth twenty years ago but that wasn't enough to reconcile the two countries they've been divided on only good description of the killings with zero

and insisting and russia refusing to call it genocide. in recent years things have gotten back a year ago the prime ministers of russia and poland all of the victims of carton together for the first time they vent up to story was believed to be a serious step towards improving relations three days later the world was shocked to have cartoon associated with one more trajan being the plane carrying the president and his entourage question on its way to ceremony for the victims of cartoon crash who have driven britain nations for their part but it had an opposite the fact. two and cabinets found themselves side by side one in the victims and later conducting the joint investigation of the tragedies like a month after the crash russia handed documents only kind of muscle to pull. this it was december was seen as an ice breaking trip the russian president promised the

russians would continue to incorporate the who and revealing the whole truth about the trade you can dance of seventy years ago. jewel we we saw a couple of pictures from our from history of the second world war and a couple of facts from the recent history relation between two countries well i would like to ask you both as this point what are we talking about we are we talking about the official relations between the officials in poland and in russia or we're talking about the attitude of the two nations because both sides they suspect pressure from the authorities russian suspects pressure from the authorities the poor old suspect political pressure from the kremlin and the situation but is it wise to identify the guilty authorities even if they are

found guilty with the people with the nations and should this effect and is it affecting the attitude toward the two nations well let's start with you listen again i'm quite optimistic and say that we will really overcome this problem of. course linked with scotty because frost it was a prison governor who provided worse. materials to the polish side explaining. that it was screen committed by and people here over stalin's order. and then we needed a guest of course. society and some parts of the russian elite that it was true what gorbachev said to the polish a sort of peace in very late eighties and been for example the task of repression polish on difficult issues was to persuade again russian society and

say or to find a. proper war so the polish society saying stop we understand a little said needed by the previous regime and stop blaming us because we'll really cut off from the premature grave but if russia has already overcome its superiority complex this that means that the poles have overcome of their inferiority complex let's just let's go sanjay i guess your. first of all of course i think that we have a completely new artemus for today but of course you ask about the expectation the expectation is very easy to explain this is true only on this fundamental we can build the future and if you are talking about cutting you we are talking about the . officers who are. in this for a forest and of course it's. russian decision but the we

expect i think a very easy thing i think very hard to leave patient the explanation. that it was murder it was. very thread digital event done in this forest boy and by. the. officers this is the situation was known in poland but of course you have to remember that during our. during the kates we had the not this tragedy also explained in our historical bookstore thank you for the all the people all the prophets. the authors of black and white. room the shapes the

group of difficulties because now we can build the good relations based on this through which was described by historical. by breaking story. out of this book we can also build the new institution we are after acceptation of the deal we can establish there and be ready to establish the center of by a lock on both sides in moscow and was so i think it will be very important in today's institution which is sable to continue to do some work of the group of difficult issues which was done before and thank you for for the seaforth and for this work and this is what this was very very important mr morgan well and you have just mentioned this work of the group and difficulties how how is the work of the

joint commission on history going on is it easy to found to find common language to find understanding to to to to stay in common ground with the poles and such that she questions i asked him for example yes for the group itself it was really easy because it was due for a few stories of special some can improve polish a fisa russian a fierce and there was no they would use it within the group because it was weird equally it was what. happened there in writing for example but we didn't look only on. camping trips and it was probably a whole range of. historically ships but our task was rather. if you like semi political that see semi diplomatic was implemented how to persuade how big how to move it from political agenda and it was wise historians of various richard suggests have to do it persuade the leadership to produce

a pete from both sides to persuade for example gently that plotting to participate to be jointly. together will on the ceremony being. russian victory be in more school that is to say we found out in history that links us to peers are not simply rights that was. just one of the political things is is a member here president come out as he visited the rats last year and i think also that the visit. eleven pathing. presence of president to mean to me a different president komorowski it will be a next step on the way to this common celebration of this. common tragedy this common historical event to the new future which is much

more important of course but as i said before we have to have also educate people of how it was and why and we have to be to understand those so that this evil time can never. be a threat again. for a long time the relations between russia and poland have been poor because of the cat massacre issue it has influence through lesions negatively all of. this agreement the disagreement between the two countries this this cat an issue because there is an opinion that once we overcome caton everything's everything will be sunny and wonderful in our relations is a true. not the income the per cent of course because we have economic ties and that's very small with we have to implement a law we should be more similar we are in

a common union i mean come on europe. i think that you should be closer to europe but something for the. public figure because of normalized relations but not a little they also contain i would seek bridge so they can be problems but they also can please decisions so they can be swayed and they can peace prospects for the future thank you thank you very much thank you very much just a reminder that from my guests on the show today were. the executive secretary of the russian polish group on difficult issues and angie holan the chairman of the foreign affairs committee at the polish parliament to say i know from all of us here if you want to have yourselves part light you can always drop me a line who did that with more first hand comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay and r.t. and take a.