from the united states and from the european union other countries like this this is completely in jeopardy if you start with a reference in outer space. about three thirty pm moscow time these are the headlines on our teeth brushed aside poland told moral advance to commemorate the plane crash that killed the polish president in ninety five others near slowdown in europe country's leader and a large hard political elite were on their way to events marking another tragedy that could pin must occur in one thousand four hundred. rebel disillusionment with nato the actions in libya turns to anger from the alliance general refuses to

apologize for so-called friendly fire air strikes and it's killed opposition fighters. and u.s. lawmakers scraped together an agreement on the billions in spending cuts or the averting the first government sucked out this year if the sox out have happened hundreds of thousands of public employees including soldiers and many teachers would have paid. up next more on the first anniversary of the plane crash near downs can our spotlight so i'll go north and his gasp look at how the tragedy has affected relations between russia and. hello again a welcome to spotlight the interview show. today where commemorating the end of the tragic plane crash at the airfield near the russian city of. irbil

a geisha headed by polish president lech kaczynski was on their way to russia to take part in a morning ceremony for thousands of polish victims of the nine hundred forty that's in mass but the plane crashed just short of a runway had a russian. the tragedy shocked people on both sides of the border both in poland and russia but today a year after the crash we're looking at how the tragedy has affected relations between the two countries here in our moscow studio will have the executive secretary of the russian polish group on difficult issues out of my head from war so we're joined by the chairman of the polish same foreign affairs committee and. thousands of polish officers were executed by stalin secret police in russia seventy years ago after blaming the nazi regime for the crime forty years later the

u.s.s.r. acknowledged the soviet secret police was responsible for the deaths for all these years the murders poisoned relations between moscow and warsaw however last april the prime ministers of russia and poland went to cotton to commemorate the victims of the massacre and turned the page in the bilateral relations. just days later polish president lech kaczynski died in a plane crash on his way to a cartoon commemoration ceremony the international aviation commission investigated and blamed the polish pilots responsible for the accident but also says the results are incomplete saying moscow was covering up mistakes by russia. air traffic controllers will soon produce a song report on the tragedy. hello . hello hello upon her and jay thank you to have to do thank you for joining us thank you for joining us and well i'd like to ask tell me if you if you let me the

first question i want i would ask the plan. that was he's our guest here yet it was late. how did the polish public opinion towards russians how did it change over this past year did you did you monitor the results of the public opinion polls. yes of course it's one of the visible first of all it's a longer period than one the year only because i think the crucial and very important . they all the time was the visit of prime minister putin. so it was the first of september. of the second world war and during this iran. mr putin prime minister putin said the very important words that we have to name evil as evil and we cannot accept.

so these are values fundaments of. good we'll. just a good sign for four friendly corporation. praying crash i mean presidential. plane crash last year. was a tragic moment but during this tragedy i remember. the behavior ordinary people and thoughts. so your authorities and russian authorities were. very active it was human reaction and this young man the via actions it was very big. this friendly cooperation of friends relations on this fundamental through which was build before so i think it was

a very natural expectation of this good emotions between us during the tragedy i think we have heard a lot during this year from poland including accusations lots of accusations. sure did monitor the russian public opinion so what was the tendency in russia how did the russians according to the polls react today to the whole situation after the tragedy i absolutely was mr chairman he said the russians directed nature really and in a bit of human. way and there was no any other way to react and i like this approach mr chairman started not with the pretty but at least with the first of september. to solve the nine or with this meeting at rest a lot them in poland because our approach and to each other approach this appeasement if you like between russia and poland it started. natural

there then this tragic catastrophe in silence and we created quite a lot before it to build this mutual confidence in our russian and polish elites and one of those parts of the society those who feel. a style toward such other and that is right up to the moment of the. accident we were moved somehow a piece to be moved. with a better understanding of each other and that is why probably because of these specially our reaction was so nature will so prompt so if and then we managed to convert from the privileges to better lation. in small lives poland lost not only its head of state but a significant part of its political and military elite how how. were the consequences for the political stability in the country as poland recovered yet

from this blow. first of all the state that they all thought it is so active this is the constitution the constitution says what the doing such a situation it was but of course it was a very. difficult very tough moment for all of us we lost our friends but also realize the key persons key decision makers. i think that the most important thing for the. relations between the states and relations between the politicians and also relations between the society of the ordinary people is not to politicized the tragedy. you speak about not politicizing the tragedy but i know that pretty soon in a we're expecting the publication of the final conclusions by the polish side or do

you have any idea what should we expect from this paper will of the politics of all the world be peer like a page in your talk but there are two things and i would like to finish the first sentence that first of all i'm not so naive. to expect not using cause so in internal politics the tragedy as emotions and you have also the same situation in. russia i remember the press conference against organized boy. from the old person with the white. and old k.g.b. officer who said why mr putin is there this is not our. interest to be because. because of his point of view we have also politicians who are against this but relations or against how to say no to using

emotions does bet emotions in politics and this is merging and i would like to. see those people or some merging of this. situation if you are talking about the moon the marks report or the other things. i would say allowed in our society and we expect i think it also our common interests and common expectation are the final is the. process of having the final opinion what was the paste but it should be explained in complete the document and unfortunately the first attempt for makes it was. an complete it was not complete this is our opinion and this is the expectation we have to have. the process. given in very

transparent but also complete way after we hear how you have a comment do you agree with that opinion yourself and not only say i should be surprised because it's a reasonable approach and thank you to mr chairman. this all these seem to stay to be asian comedian report or as we call it here in russian parole not. report really it was a report of the inclination institution chosen by boss of the parties involved. but then it somehow or was followed by the respective and the you are investigation made by. two pots russia and poland separately. published release of the participated in investigation provided by the prosecutor office here in russia and i guess in my in may we can really

finalize finalize all these investigations in a good move will move to quite a compromise because in general everything is clear that ridgeley happened because like happened where its details have been talking to play with the bills on the political field i agree with the opinion that generally the facts are well known. objectively. objectivity should be done there's a most important thing but generally of course we know the facts. but this ca year since nationally the asian community that which i have come just quoted released a report in january twelfth citing pilot error as the main cause of the crash which occurred when the plane hit trees well attempting to land in fake fog is polish opinion ready in principle to accept the truth if it will contain

accusations against russia if there were it should not contain accusations against russia and in this case the polish public opinion would be more ready to said the truth well what's your feeling. first of all we had to run today the press conference of general persecutor and the public opinion was informed of the. all those politicians who are talking all they gave the question marks concerning the. plane crash. with russian and good thing. not because of the process of explanation and so we have the polish investigation the polish investigation will give us final explanation what was done before the flight

during the flight and also how it was sort of nice. first of all we have to exclude it would have to. listen to the people who are talking about that the official for cause or something some kind of you know stupid explanations with. political background. you have to i mean the russian public opinion have to listen to our fish of voice and to our financial institutions then the this is my view mark to this question that. ski chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the polish parliament speaking to us live from africa warsaw and here in the studio we have. the executive secretary of the russian polish group on difficult issues spotlight will be back shortly after we take a break so stay with them though. twenty

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back to spotlight i'm going of in just a reminder that my guests on the show today are out of my view and he's here in the studio with me he is the executive secretary of the russian polish group on difficult issues and angie holan ski the chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the polish parliament he is joining us live and not being able to cover from us the beautiful picture of spring in a war that we see on the very ground hello again welcome back to the show and congratulations with the wonderful weather you're going there in a point well gentlemen but in. general first of all i would like to remind our viewers that that cat cat in the place where the tragedy. occurring there for decades this town has been a stumbling block in relations between russia and poland but the situation has

begun to change spotlights you know the dimmy there has more and that. remain to flutey heart and massacre one of this to me to twenty thousand in france as well narrative on stalin's orders is one of the most you to represent and ruination between russia and poland the us inside the mind of a committed the crime blaming it all on the nazis it was me for you gorbachev who admitted the truth twenty years ago but that wasn't enough to reconcile the two countries they've been divided on no legal description of the killings with one insisting and russia refusing to call a genocide. in recent years things have gotten back a. year ago the prime ministers of russia and poland all of the victims of carton together for the first time event up to story was believed to be

a serious step towards improving relations three days later the world was shocked to have cartoon associated with one more tragedy the plane carrying the polish president and his entourage question its way to ceremony for the victims of carter's the crash we have true and the two nations for their part but it had an opposite the fact. to antagonize found themselves side by side winning the victims and lead it conducting the joint investigation of the tragedies like a month after the crash russia handed documents only massacre to. visit was december was seen as an ice breaking trip the russian president promised than that russia would continue to cooperate in poland in revealing the whole truth about the trade you can dance of seventy years ago. jewel we always saw

a couple of pictures from from the history of the second world war and a couple of facts from the recent history recent between our two countries well i would like to ask you both at this point what are we talking about we are we talking about the official relations between the officials in poland and in russia or we're talking about the attitude of the two nations because both sides they suspect pressure from the authorities russian suspects pressure from their thirty's the pearl suspect political pressure from the kremlin how the situation is it wise to identify the guilty authorities even if they are found guilty with the people with the nations and should this effect and is it affecting the attitude toward the two nations well let's start with you listen again i'm quite optimistic and say that we will really overcome this problem of. course linked with scrapping

because process it was a person gorbachev provided was. materials of the polish side explaining and. that it was created by and. of of stalin's order. then we needed a guest of course. great society and some parts of the russian elite that it was true what gorbachev said to the polish of sorties in the very late eighty's can't bendis for example the task of russian polish europe and difficult issues was to persuade again russian society and to say or to find. proper awards to the polish society saying stop we understand it was committed by the previous regime and stop blaming us because we'll really cut off from the premature grave but if

russia has already overcome its superiority complex this that means that the poles have overcrowd their inferiority complex let's just let's go sanjay i guess europe's. first off of course i think that we have a completely new outmost for today but of course you ask about the expectation the expectation is very easy to explain this is true only on this fundamental we can to build a future and if you are talking about cutting you we are talking about the officers the officers. in this for a forest and of course it's. russian decision what do we expect i think very easy thing i think very hard believe patient the explanation are that it was not the it was.

very thread digital event done in this forest boy and by. the. officers this is the situation was known in poland but of course you have to remember that during. during decades we had the not this tragedy also explained in our historical book store thank you for the all the people of the prophecy. the. black and white. room the shades the group of the difficulties because now we can build the good relations but based on this through which was described by historical. story in. this book we can also be both

a new institution and we are after acceptation of the deal we can establish that and we are ready to establish the center of dialogue on both sides in moscow and was so i think it will be very important in today's institution which is able to continue to do some work of the group of difficult issues which was done before and thank you for for the seaforth and for this work and this is what this was very very important mr morgan well and he has just mentioned this work of the group and difficulties how how is the work of the joint commission and history going on is it easy to found to find common language to find understanding to to to to stand common ground with the poles and such that she questions i asked him for example as for the group itself it was really good it easer because it was good for

a few stories of special some contemporary polish a fisa russian a few years and there was no they were pursued within the group because it was weird equally it was what. happened there in writing for example but we didn't look only on. rich people trouble behold range of. storage issues but our task was rather. if you like semi political see so many people made it was a diplomatic how persevering how do you agree how to move it from political agenda and it was noised historians of the research suggests have to do it persuaded leadership to participate from both sides could be spayed for example journalese on the planting to produce and b. to be jointly. together on the ceremony in planting. russian victory day in moscow that is to say we've found out in common history

that links us the gears are not simply bytes that was. one of the political things is is when member president come out ascii visited the rats last year i think also that the visit april eleventh cathing the present president to mean to me appear there front and president komorowski it will be a next step on the way to this common celebration of this. come on tragedies common with historical events to the new future which is much more important of course but as i said before we have to have also educated people how it was and why and we have to learn to be to understand also that this

evil time can never. be a threat again jr for a long time the relations between russia and poland have been poor because of the cat massacre issue it has influence through lesions negatively are there this agreement these agreements between the two countries this this catherine issue because there is an opinion that once we overcome caton everything's everything will be sunny and wonderful in our relations is it true. not. per cent of course because we have economy that's very small with we have to implement a law we should be more similar we have in common. i mean come in the europe. i think that you should be closer to europe but of course there are some things for the. public because of normal life style relations but not

a little bit also contain i would see bridges they can paint problems but they also can piece decisions they can piece ways and they can peace process for the future thank you thank you very much of it sam and thank you very much just a reminder that my guests on the show today were out of. the executive secretary of the russian polish group on difficult issues and angie holan skee the chairman of the foreign affairs committee at the polish parliament to say and that's it for now from all of us here if you can tell yourself spotlight you can always drop me a line will be back with more first hand comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay and r.t. and take a. the

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