i'm broadcasting live from our studios in central moscow this is are. you with us. russians are united in grief as it has been a year since president kaczynski and ninety five other members of the polish political elite died in a plane crash in western russia services. the site of the disaster. the british military reports. that support for nato is still shaky after previous

blunders in the operation meanwhile a. government. to discuss what went wrong with the world economy and where it needs to go to avoid placing the dollar as a reserve currency in the increased role of emerging markets. it's a year since the polish president's plane crashed in russia with the loss of all ninety six onboard. flight show examines just how the tragedy has affected relations between warsaw in moscow. hello again i want to spotlight the interview show a party. today where commemorating the anniversary of the tragic plane crash at

the airfield near the russian city. of hillah geisha headed by polish president lech kaczynski was on their way to russia to take part in a morning ceremony for thousands of polish victims of the nine hundred forty. but the plane crashed just short of a runway at a russian trip the tragedy shocked people on both sides of the border both in poland and russia but today a year after the crash we're looking at how the tragedy has affected the relations between the two countries here in our moscow studio will have the executive secretary r.t. russian polish group on difficult issues out of my. we're joined by the chairman of the polish same foreign affairs committee andre. thousands of polish officers were executed by stalin secret police in russia seven years ago after blaming the nazi regime for the crime forty years later the

u.s.s.r. acknowledged so it's a complete it was responsible for the deaths for all these years the murders poisoned relations between moscow and warsaw however last april the prime ministers of russia and poland went to cotton to commemorate the victims of the massacre and turned the page into bilateral relations. just days later the polish president lech kaczynski died in a plane crash on his way to a cart and then to ration ceremony the international aviation commission investigated and blamed the polish pilots responsible for the accident but also says the results are incomplete saying moscow is covering up mistakes by russia. air traffic control was. some producer song report on the tragedy. hello. hello hello to her and jay thank you think they're going to have to do thank you for joining us thank you for joining us and well i'd like to ask tell me if you

if you let me the first question eleanor i wouldn't ask still and. that was she's our guest yes there was late. yes well. how did the polish public opinion towards russians how did it change over this past year did you did you monitor the results of the public opinion polls. yes of course it's one of the visible first of all it's a longer period than one the year only because i think the crucial and very important. they all the time was the visit of prime minister putin. the peninsula so it was the first of september. of the second world war and during this event. mr putin prime minister putin said the very important words that we have to name evil

as evil and we cannot accept evil as a whole. so these are values for each of them and so for. through good we'll. just a good sign for friendly corporation. playing crash i mean presidential. plane crash last. tons was a tragic moment but during this tragedy i remember for the behavior ordinary people and also your thought it is i'm rational thought it is. very active it was human reaction and this human reactions it was very big. this friendly cooperation friendly relations on this fundamental through which was

build before so i think it was a very natural expectation of this good emotions between us during the tragedy i think we have heard a lot during this year from programs including accusations lots of accusations. sure did monitor the russian private continued so what was the tendency in russia how did russia according to the polls react to that to the whole situation after the tragedy i absolutely agree with mr chairman so the russians directed nature really and in a very human. way and there was no any other way to react and i like this approach that mr chairman started not with the tragedy but at least with the first of september and i saw them tonight or would this really get us the plot them in poland because our approach and to each other across this appeasement if you like

between russia and poland it started. national there then this tragic story in somalia and and we created quite a lot before it to build this mutual confidence in all our aggression and polish elites and those parts of this is sorry to those who feel. a style towards each other and that was way up to the moment of the. accident we were moved somehow a piece to be moved. with a better understanding of each other and that is why probably because of the special out reaction it was so nature will so prompt saw it live and then we managed to convert the privileges to better relations. in some alinsky poland lost not only its head of state but a significant point with political and military elete how heavy were the consequences for the political stability in the country has poland recovered yet

from this blow. first of all the stead that the authorities are active this is the constitution the constitution says what the during such a situation it was but of course it was very. difficult very tough moment for all of us we lost our friends but also realize the key persons key decision makers. i think that the most important thing for the. relations between the states and relations between the politicians and relations between the society of the ordinary people is not politicized the tragedy. you speak about not politicizing the tragedy but i know that pretty soon in a we're expecting the publication of the final conclusions by the polish side do

you have any idea what should we expect from this paper will it be politics all will be peer like engineer talk. and but the are there are two things and they would like to finish the first sentence that first of all i am not so naive. to expect not using color so in internal politics the tragedy i see emotions and you have also the same situation in. russia i remember the press conference organized the boy. from the old person with their wife. and the old k.g.b. officer who said why mr putin is there this is not our. interest to be there because. because of his point of view we have also politicians who are on against this but the relations or against how to say and the key using

emotions does bet emotions in politics but this is emerging and i would like to. to see those people us imagine of this. situation if you are talking about. the marx report or the other things which are of. allowed in our society we expect i think also our common interests and common expectation are the finalization of the process of having the final opinion what was the case but it should be explained in complete the document and unfortunately the first attempt of makes it was. uncomplete it was not complete this is our opinion and this is the expectation we have to have.

the process. given in very transparent but also complete way after we hear how you have a comment you agree with an opinion yourself and not a lawyer so you should be surprised because it's really a reasonable approach and thank you to use the chairman. yes well the interstate the ration committee report or as because the here and russian paul knots. report really it was a report of the inclination institution chosen by boards of the parties involved but then it somehow or other was followed by the respective and view investigation made by. two parts russia and poland separately the polish release of the participated in investigation provided by the german prosecutor office here in russia and i guess in my in may we can really kind

of ice finalize all these investigations and i guess we will move quietly compromise because in general it's clear that ridgeley happened because it's like happened somewhere. else and we don't need to play with deals on the political field i agree with the opinion that generally the facts are well known not. just our. objectivity should be that there's a very most important thing but generally of course we know the facts. but this here years since national relation committee met which i've come just quoted i released a report in january twelfth citing pilot error as the main cause of the crash which occurred when the plane hit trees well attempting to land in fake fog is polish opinion ready in principle to accept the truth if it will contain

accusations against russia if there were it should not contain accusations against russia and in this case the polish public opinion will be more ready to accept the truth what what's your feeling. first of all we had to run today the press conference of general persecutor and the public opinion was in the form of the. so all those politicians who are talking of all big gave the question marks concerning the. airplane crash. with russian and good thing. not because of the process of explanation so we have the polish investigation the polish investigation we'll give us a final explanation of what was done before the flight during the flight and also

how it was sort of the nicest bar closed door for all of you have to exclude we have to. not listen to the people who are talking about artificial for coral something some kind of you know stupid explanations with. political background. you have to the russian public opinion have to listen to our fish on the voice and official institutions then the this is my remark to this question and that's. ski chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the polish parliament speaking to us live from out from warsaw and here in the studio we have our. executive secretary of the russian and polish group on difficult issues spotlight and will be back shortly after we take

a break so stay with us. twenty years ago this country. situation. was how did. you get it you. where did it take. you.

welcome back to spotlight i'm going of and just to remind my guests on the show today are out of my league in he's here in the studio with me he is the executive secretary of the russian perlis group on difficult issues and angie holan skee the chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the polish parliament he is joining us live and not being able to cover from us the beautiful picture of spring in warsaw that we see on the diagram hello again welcome back to the show and congratulations with the wonderful weather going there and quite well. thanks to most first of all i would like to say to a true mind out here is that that cat cat in the place where the tragedy last year at caring for decades this town has been a stumbling block in relations between russia and poland but the situation has

begun to change spotlights you know that the me that has more and that. nineteen forty cart and massacre one in this to me to twenty thousand officers were murdered on stalin's orders is one of the most be directly sold in ruination between russia and poland the us aside deny that it ever committed the crime of blaming it all on the nazis it was me for you gorbachev who admitted the truth twenty years ago but that wasn't enough to reconcile the two countries they've been divided on no legal description of the killings with zero and insisting and russia refusing to call it genocide in recent years things had got back a. year ago the prime ministers of russia and over and all of the victims of khartoum together for the first time they vent up to story was believed to be

a serious step towards improving relations three days later the world was shocked to have a garden associated with line more trajan the the plane carrying the polish president and his entourage crashed on its way to ceremony for the victims of card in the crash and have driven the two nations further apart but it had been not because of the fact. two antagonists found themselves side by side one in the victims and related conduct in the joint investigation of the tragedies a month after the crash russia handed documents and massacre to. their lives is it was december was seen as an ice breaking trip the russian president promised than russia would continue to cooperate with poland in revealing the whole truth got the trade you can dance of seventy years ago. jewel we we saw

a couple of pictures from from the history of the second world war and a couple of facts from the recent history relation between the two countries well i would like to ask you both as this point what are we talking about we are we talking about the official relations between the officials in poland and in russia or we're talking about the attitude of the two nations because both sides they suspect pressure from the authorities russian suspects pressure from the far east the pearl suspect political pressure from the kremlin and the situation but is it wise to identify the guilty authorities even if they are found guilty with the people with the nations and should this effect and is it affecting the attitude toward the two nations well let's start with you mr williams i'm quite optimistic and say that we will really overcome this problem of. course linked with scrapie

because cross that was present go bunch of provided was. materials of the polish site explaining and. that either was screen committed by and they were there because of stylus order. then we needed a guest of course. society and some parts of russia leap that it was true what gorbachev said to the polish to sort this in very late eighty's and then be for example the task of russian polish and difficult issues. for sweet again russian society and say or to fight. proper wars to the polish society saying stop we understand it was committed by the previous regime and stop blaming us because we already cut off from the previous ships redgrave but if russia has

already overcome its superiority complex this that means that the poles have overcome their inferiority complex let me just ask. i guess your pursuit. first off of course i think that we have completely new arguments for today but of course you ask about the expectation the expectation is very easy to explain this is true only on this fundamental we can build the future and if you are talking about cutting you we are talking about in the us the officers who are. in this for a forest and of course it's. russian decision but do expect i think very easy thing i think they have believed haitian the explanation are that it was most of the it was.

very thread digital event done in this forest boy and boy. this is the situation was known in poland but of course you have to remember that during our. during decades we had the not this tragedy also explained in our story called bookstore thank you for the all the people all the proper saws. the out of black and white. shapes the group of the difficulties because now we can build the good relations but based on this through which was described and why historical. by breaking story. out of this book we can also build the new institution that

we are after acceptation of the deal we can establish that and we are ready to establish the center of by a lock on both sides in moscow and was so i think it will be very important in these institution which you say able to continue to do some work of the group of difficult issues which was done before and thank you for for the seaforth and for this work and this is what this was very very important you are going well and you have just mentioned this. of the group on difficulties how how is the work of the joint commission on a street going on is it easy to found to find a common language to find understanding to to to to stand common ground with the poles and such touchy questions asked in for example of the group itself it was really easy because it was before the story was special some kind temperate all

show for use of russian appears and there was no they were said within the group because it was weird italy it was what. happened there in neighboring for example but we didn't look only on. rich people probably whole range of. story issues but our task was rather. if you like semi political sea or seventy people i'm a dick was a diplomatic how persuading how the green how to move from political agenda and it was. historians who suggested how to do it persuaded leadership to participate from both sides and speak for example german which party can produce a pay to be jointly. together work on the ceremony in campaign to join russian victory day in moscow that is to say we found out in kabul

history the links off the gears are not simply rights but it was. just one of the political things is is when member president come out ascii visited the rats last year and i think also the. visit april eleventh kind of thing. present president to me if me again if and when president komorowski it will be a next step on the way to this common sort of gratian of this. come on tragedies come and the historical events talk the new future which is much more important of course but as i said before we have to. also educate people of how it was and why and we have to learn to be to understand also that

this evil time can never. be a threat again. for a long time the relations between russia and poland have been poor because of the card nasser issue it has influence through lesions negatively. this agreement the disagreement between the two countries this this caton issue because there is an opinion that once we overcome caton everything's everything will be sunny and wonderful in our relations is a true. no i think hundred per cent of course because we have economic ties that are not very small. we have to implement a law we should be more similar we have in common. i mean common the europe. i think that you should be closer to europe but of course something for the. public figure because normal lifestyle relations but normal

relations also something i would see. problems but they also can't leave the decisions because they sways and they can peace prospects for the future thank you thank you very much at a time and thank you very much just to remind that my guests on the show today were out of the executive secretary of the russian polish group on difficult issues and angie holan the chairman of the foreign affairs committee at the polish parliament to say and the third from all of us here if you can tell yourself spotlight you can always drop me a line who do that with more proof than comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay and r.t. and take care.

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