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double standards and nato is accused of and valuable rebels in libya to violate u.n. impose a no fly zone after two opposition truckers are shot down by government forces. and in other stories this week a christian for an interface its way through hatred charges for speaking out against one of the world's most wanted terrorists and the web site spreading extremism. well next we investigate the torture techniques deployed in the so-called war on terror a special report coming right up. sure nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. here greece to meet with us and explain the methods used to their. detainee one thousand change of scenery
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out and change of scenery down this is where you take a person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out they put them in a nicer area change of scenery down i mean if you're going to put them into an isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slap if you can hit them enough so that it shocks them especially if it gets a loud slap but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them but then that's an effective technique as is the way that they would you sure first showed us the footing is actually placed over their head and the interrogator. shouts their questions at him through the through the hood a pro long standing if they were to do it for five seconds it wouldn't be too much of the other after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of aversions if they had phobias of heights or of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could
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use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee i could get one person to give more information if i was to convince one person that we're the good guys and that we're their friends. throughout. the time that i was there there was pressure from above for results. they were worried about are you abiding by the bench that was on the daily requests from higher command. requests that were coming down the pipeline or what information you got cooperation which sources or become key sources that's what
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they were results because their mentality was well under that we've got them in detention the more people are going to get the break in just a matter of time to get these guys to brain. has one tunnel more become a testing ground for interrogation techniques. which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence that the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are described in the documents from guantanamo in cuba. but what is the connection and who exactly sent the requests to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who doc has had problems with. and if you look at the game the request was sent october eleventh. only two days after baucus left. and one month later.
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baucus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in j.t. what tommo are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection. the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself. i stand eight to ten hours a day. and ng limited to just four hours. when i went back after he was soft. then short here and
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then ken miller who really. sort of started harsher techniques. i believe had no difficulty with pushing. from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted everybody to break. and believe that the only right that the people the kuantan of it was the right to give us intelligence that was the only rest where in the business of winning the global war on terror we also conduct ourselves as americans always do everything that goes on in camp delta is a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to call it not because again this time he was more cooperative. back
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you know i called you actually a long time ago i time you didn't want to. talk. i'm not at liberty to get any of you did pretty good point. there are so many rumors. that go to that we don't want to end. things see a nag wrong way so what is the timeline for your story. was in order to speak freely with us permission from the pentagon ok and if he. gave you permission to participate with you be available for any of you then i would make myself available correct ok really good we would that by. commander. i mean. this case you can you basically. to give interview
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i can't tell what preceded it ok. we approve it in other words we write we applied did it right i get it i'll do it i did. why does the pentagon want to silence about us. who fired him and why. and who was it the took the interrogation methods from guantanamo cuba to another grave you know. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal not too great when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other then general miller. miller was sent to a bridge to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is
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general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers posing in the picture. hello jenny. could any definition echo this cultural suite and hire a car you. expect her to hijack city. ok i know this is not. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about this could mean that to set up that way because of the turkish and to cakes. i think that that's why back fired. it takes oh yes. and see everybody down it on time ok under miller they were all required to sign
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in our formal statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't get anything that they've seen or heard or participated in i have to meet you if you live up in minutes after a line which is right on that code. rumor has it become pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as a general. for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle she's even said to hate general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. like baucus she was chief over the military police and
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like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like marcus she was replaced by general miller could she know something about how interrogation methods developed at guantanamo could show up in photos from abu ghraib in iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive take me if the memorandum was forwarded after backus left here's a guy who is trained as a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line knows the limitations and is forced to command that military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply down there if you met him in the dark no i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie silent he's been i mean suppose that i mean they're fired first and then he
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fired you why did you talk because i didn't sign a non-disclosure statement number one and number two i know the truth i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i didn't know what was going on in cell block one a b. and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they did you know someone senior to them made them to believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agree that. we'll feel like we were doing. things that we weren't supposed to because we're cold. we think everything was
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justified because we were instructed to do. you know how certain are you carrying any records let me. talk to secretary of defense about this just more of what i said find the truth and then tell the iraqi people and the world the truth we are we have nothing to hide and we we we we believe in transparency because we're a free society that's for free societies do. they intend to take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted were the seven soldiers pictured in the photos of. the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the recording to karpinski general miller had already been in abu ghraib
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earlier before the pictures of abuse came out. he came from guantanamo on a secret mission general miller never mentioned it but we found out later that he actually came on the same plane as secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators in the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general fair in the people from her staff they were involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operation. to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence i think you're a cheat a person too well it can gentle with. me to treat them like dogs because if you treat them any better than that you fed control of the interrogation and before that meeting that's over he said. with his with the lessons that they've learned.
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from guantanamo bay and in other locations he was going to get more wise. this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from good mole left after their visit to our graves just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more effective for example he wants to use the military police who previously were only used as prison guards to prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found in a grave there's no one wants to take responsibility for the interrogation methods the same that's developed at guantanamo. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out it your team specifically briefed that these methods could be used in that prison contrary to
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the conventions are no methods contrary to the geneva convention were presented by the systems team but i took to see j.p.s. . everything started to. his defense mechanism is i was only there. if i'd been in control of that person and knew what was going on out there it wouldn't have gone on out there. even though karpinski and baucus lost control they both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced and maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read the documents we discover strange little
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detail. in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors that for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was generous karpinski his boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with a machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a military we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun who is wired to use that weapon you're talking about
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a soldier we've got. there are no rules regulations governing the you feed people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater who can explain to us what exactly a contractor giants. trying to reach mr gary tell the success and i want to talk to regarding press issues and . person i think is kind of blackwater soon times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. but it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thousand private contractors in iraq because due to the second largest force after the american army. and hundreds of firms around the world around private contractors.
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have. one search for these three million security companies. were in bucharest. show us what their services include. new world. private company in other countries just to waste. well me decide. right. in the private system more mobility. away because. or over the whole middle east and. have the rules. know that the left not the right. only. so what we've got is a situation where we have in thousands of the less than us in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement ok
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a little behind that is no role for less. than forty thousand marines were killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper a coalition needs these people because they want to ricky sekhon to. in a sense we use things freelance. mercenaries as soundtracks to protect not only our soldiers but a casualty figures of profit as well. one tunnel do you think there were contractors there two contractors just started to be used right towards the end of my tour in kuantan of all and there was only one or two that i saw one when i left when we're talking about upgrades the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and
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analysis force there q you were a grade as soldier no ever great i was a civilian contractor. and once again this way think of it. comparable to unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the balkans think back to world war two when you take. people captive to hold them during the course of hostilities there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied the only difference is that we have an unconventional war whether it is against a private organization rather than a a state and this way think of it. comfortably unconventional war whether it is against the privatization. of the state that is you get.
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into where snow. made it is not usually ok or does not belong to responsible. came out was known as. the already been unconventional war the war is against the final position. in essence t.q. many people who don't believe that you just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. not can you tell them. ananda send the question she doesn't believe one if they don't believe in. going to say what do you want to tell those who don't believe in you and your story . hope other detainees who will be released later i hope that they will be able to explain in a stronger way. i mean this thing with if we understand why were you there
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if . ok basically in the serial here we have camp for camp for open and in march beginning of march in the camp for is for detainees who are cooperating in detainees that are that are getting closer to be released very soon it's. just left. what he plays it is we can hear from here ok the voices that here are around the voices of the cheney's in the chair. and one reason why you can hear him say because in the nighttime it's very quiet out here though not as many vehicles moving so because it's so quiet in this area you can hear the voices of the detainees. well it's
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a very solemn day there units on a day with a certain what good is a call what do they say they have the they have the opportunity to speak to one another so often. you know so i would imagine that they're talking to one another some of them maybe praying some of them are just just talking and they may be talking to someone other down yelling yelling toward sam so just normal conversation there and sometimes you can hear prayer to call the prayer or just chatter in a prayer for. what
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happens to the prisoners still counted kuantan among and what happens to those who are released. there have been nearly four hundred separate and even visits to war two of them of the by more than one thousand trials additionally some one hundred eighty congressional oversight of the facility. arguably no detention facility in the ship's trio for sure has been more transparent or received more than once home. to the us we've been at one time or more and we still don't know what really happens inside there. but maybe that's not the most important thing because what we do know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside there was lost their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get
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out. it want tano is going to forty two dollars seventy two point nutrition for stress and duress played cell types of course should escalate levels sprinkled harsher heat or cold withholding fooled putting for days at a time naked isolation and told ourselves is that correct care gorgeously and correct never have to carry correlation right.
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you know. space is one of our national security there is no substance and there
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is no alternative to military moments in space. bombs on target little time bell minimums subtle about when the us will leave or able to go through space for. better. or for the frame. of the film or. countless. and we must. be. several hundred. years of investment in the peaceful uses of barter space. and this incredible investment from the united states and from the european union to canada other countries like this all of this is completely in jeopardy if we start putting we have been.

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