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the star to live from moscow top stories holding them across i remember the day one year ago when the president of the numbers of the country's political elite were killed in a plane crash morial services are being held in warsaw as well as the crash site in the western russia. nato is accused of letting libyan rebels ignore the no fly zone after opposition helicopters are reportedly down by gadhafi forces meanwhile this
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week rebel support for the alliances intervention has suffered deadly friendly fire incident it's. also unfinished greece is charged with inside a racial hatred after an interview with our t.v. in it he dumped the man behind the deadly metro an airport bombings in moscow a terrorist and slams his internet propaganda mouthpiece. next we investigate the torture techniques the cloyd in the so-called war on terror in our special report. sure nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. he agrees to meet with us and explain the methods used there. between one thousand change of scenery up and change of scenery down this is where you take the person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out he put them in
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a nicer area change or scenery down i mean if you're going to put them into an isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slap if you can hit them enough so that it shocks them especially if it's a loud slap but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them but then that's an effective technique is the way that they would usually referred to as putting is actually placed over their head. and the interrogator. shouts their questions at them through the truly good a prolonged standing if they were to do it for five seconds it wouldn't be too much of bothered after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of a versions if they had phobias of heights or of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you
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a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee you i could get one person to give more information if i was to convince that one person that we're the good guys and that we're their friends. throughout. the time that i was there there was pressure from above for results. they were worried about are you abiding by geneva conventions such that it wasn't on the daily requests from higher command. requests that were coming down the pipeline or what information you got cooperation of which sources have become key sources if that's what they were results because their mentality was well under
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that we've gotten in detention the more people we're going to get to play in just a matter of time to get these guys to brain. has guantanamo become a testing ground for interrogation techniques which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence that the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are described in the documents from guantanamo in cuba. but what is the connection and who exactly sent the request to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who baucus had problems with. and if you look at the date the request was sent on october eleventh. only two days after barca's left. and one month later neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken
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command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in jail one tommo are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection to the inquiry requested permission to. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself scribbled i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours was it like that when we went back after he was soft. then down a short pier and then ken miller who really. sort of.
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started the harsh truth the kooks miller. i believe had no difficulty with pushing from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted everybody to break. and believe that the only right that the people that down there. was the right to give us intelligence it was the only right where in the business of winning the global war on terror we also indulge ourselves as americans always do everything that goes on in camp delta is a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to come about because again this time he was more cooperative. and disrespect you know i called you actually
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a long time ago i time he didn't want to. talk to. be at liberty to give any of you to point. there are so many rumors. that i bow to that we don't want to end. p.c. mag wrong way. what is the timeline for your story. but in order to speak freely with us he needs permission from the pentagon ok and if he. gave you permission to participate with you be available for him to do then i would make myself available correct ok really good we would it by. former commander. talk about. this case so you can you basically did it to give interview i can't tell them what preceded it ok but counsel.
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we approve it in other words we try to hide it the right to do it i'd say. why does the pentagon want to silence backus. who fired him and why. and who was it the took the interrogation methods from going to. two hundred three again and. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal not too great when the photos came out the command of the prison camp was taken over by none other than general miller. miller was sent to upgrade to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in
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iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her soldiers posing in the pictures. hello jeff you. kidding me yes but there's an echo. there could be a cultural sweden hire a car you wouldn't expect to actually. i mean i know this is not. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about the dispute between pakistan and the way because of the turkish and to geeks. i think that's why back fired. it takes up yes. and see everybody down it one time moped under miller they were all required to sign a in our formal statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't
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discuss anything that they've seen or heard or participated in i have to meet you when you live i mean if out i live in south carolina which is right on the coast. rumor has it the company is now in an open conflict with the army after being demoted and relieved of her title as a general reason for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle richie's even said to hate general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. well you got this she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like by case she was replaced by general miller because she knows something
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about how interrogation methods developed at guantanamo could show up in photos from abu ghraib and iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive taking if the memorandum was forwarded after backus left here's a guy who is trained as a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line knows the limitations and is forced to command the military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply in there if you met him and no i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie silence he's been with with with me expose i mean they're fired first about this and that he fired you why did you talk because i didn't sign a non-disclosure statement number one and number two i know the truth
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i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i didn't know what was going on in cell block one a b. and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they did now someone senior to them made them believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agree that. we don't feel like we were doing. things that we weren't supposed to because we were told to do. we think everything was justified because we were instructed to do.
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you know how certain the taliban area any requests. talk to secretary of defense about this morning by the way i said find the truth and then tell the iraqi people and the world the truth we're with we have nothing to hide and we we we we we believe in transparency because we're a free society that's for free societies do. they intend to take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted was the seven soldiers pictured in the photos. and the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal because i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the recording to come pinsky general miller had already been in abu ghraib earlier before the pictures of abuse came out. he came from guantanamo on
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a secret mission in general no one ever mentioned it but we found out later that he actually came on the same plane as secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators and the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general fay asked in the people from her staff that were involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operations. to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence he said i think you're treating prisoners too well if you gentle with them said you really need to treat them like dogs because if you treat them any better than that you should check if we lost control of the interrogation and before that meeting was over he said. with his with the lessons that they've learned and their cake mix from guantanamo bay and in other locations he was going to get no ice.
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this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from good mon left after their visit to our grave just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more thanked if for example he wanted to use the military police who previously were only used as prison guards prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found in abu ghraib that no one wants to take responsibility for with the interrogation methods the same developed one ton of money. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out did your team specifically brief that least methods could be used in that prison that are contradictory but. no methods contrary to the geneva convention were
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presented by the system stream but i took to see j.p.s. . everything started to change. after. he has said in his defense mechanism as i was only there. if i gaining control of that prison and knew what was going on out there it wouldn't have gone out there. even though karpinski and baucus lost control they both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read the documents we discover strange little detail.
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in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. and there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so called contractors for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was generous karpinski his boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with a machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a mercenary we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun who is wired to use. you're talking about a soldier without the battle there are no rules regulations governing the you the people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater who can explain to
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us it was exactly a contractor giants. irony. trying to reach mr garcetti success and i want to show us a cutter regarding press issues and. personally i think. water so many times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. but it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thousand private contractors in iraq they constitute the second largest force after the american army. and hundreds of firms around the world iraq private contractors. one search for eastern romanian security company big deal. were in
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bucharest will show us what their services include. new world private company in other countries best and with well. right. in the private system more mobility. away because. for over the whole middle east. have the rules it's not the left not right. only. so what we've got is a situation where we have a thousands of armed western us in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement that any little behind that there is no role for.
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one. hundred forty mercenaries were killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper the coalition needs these people because they want to reduce the casualties. in a sense way using freelance. mercenaries as time bags to protect not only our soldiers thought the casualty figures of. that's going tunnels do you think there were contractors there to contractors just started to be used right it towards the end of my tour. one time off and there was only one or two but i saw one when i left when we're talking about a grade though the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and analysis for stare you you were a grade as soldier no i don't grade i was
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a civilian contractor. i mean let's look at this way think of it. comparable unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the puppets think back to world war two when you take. people captive throughout the whole the door and most of us do these there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied the only difference is that we are in of an unconventional war where the is against a private organization rather than a a state. this way think of it. comparably unconventional war whether it is against the pride that is a should. be a state that is given. to wears no. it is not. here does not belong to responsible. is not going to see. the name
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of an unconventional war the way it is against the final organization. in this sense taking many people who don't believe that you just happen to be on the wrong place at the wrong time. not can you tell them. just ananda send the question she doesn't believe in one they don't believe in. as you want to tell those who don't believe in you and your story. i hope other detainees who will be released later i hope that they will be able to explain in a stronger way. i mean this thing we didn't understand why were you there. if
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if. ok basically. here we have champ for chance. in. the. detainees. and detainees that are. getting closer to be released see. if. we can hear from here ok here are the voices of the tame in the kitchen. and one reason why you can hear him say because in the nighttime it's very quiet out here though not as many vehicles moving so because it's so quiet you can hear the voices of the take these. days. it's a i hate. to say they say they have the opportunity to speak to one
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another. may be praying some of them are just just talking they may be. just normal conversation and sometimes you can hear prayer call the prayer or just chattering. what happens to the prisoners still kept at guantanamo. and what happens to those
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who are released. there are going nearly four hundred separate neal visits to guantanamo bay by more than one thousand trials additionally some one hundred eighty congressional representatives have just sort of the facility. arguably no to change and facility in the history of warfare has been more transparent or receive more scrutiny than words from. us we've been at guantanamo and we still don't know what really happens inside there. maybe that's not the most important thing because we'll need to know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside there was lost to their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get out.
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john miller knowing it won't tolerate going to order to develop a seventy two point nature for stress and duress types of question escalation levels being called harsher heat or call withholding full swing for days at a time naked isolation and cold dark souls is that correct so they're scared or plain correct never have to carry gora click into.
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