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now in ivory coast a former leader is on seated at the expense of hundreds of civilian dead for the country's new leader be any different or will the west help him clean his image or is fast as it got rid of his predecessor. led to the. riskiest of turmoil in ivory coast i'm joined by an aco log ok he's in washington he's a political analyst and founder of africa diplomacy dot com in paris we go to francoise and didn't we he is the founder of the african advisory board and in london we have are you johnson he is the founder and director of viewpoint africa all right gentlemen this is crosstalk that means you can jump any time you want but first let's have a quick look at what has been happening in the ivory coast over the last four months. decisive action and immediate results francis military helped transform are calling it by request and they seem to convert some just to start

a country with one thousand four hundred french troops were told over and spanish to overthrow its longstanding leader who refused to accept defeat in the last presidential elections the sayings of his fall are iconic for the whole of the african bugs and small concerns of the desperate sufferings the south ivorians brothers this is nothing less than a cruel and it's imposing out so. well and torrents are still divided over the shift of power and your president officially won the elections but tara is making promises. our country has turned a painful page in its history. after more than four months of post electoral crisis mark my still really lives lost we are finally at the dawn of a new era of hope. the friends clearly picked a side in their current conflict it doesn't want to piss in a stakeholder and invader backed by the united nations its claims its soldiers

stopped at the gates of the presidential palace and left a final battle for zero forums no matter what it is called a smart intervention or just a small french contribution it's can be used as a selling point for the western military interventions in a separate trouble cross-talk r.t. . can a gentleman like to go to washington first what we heard in the report was it a smart intervention on the part of the french and the united nations smart intervention or neocolonialism. thank you very much i. know for me to be on this show and i thank you but you know thank you for all your good work you do in. your new career is when i was given the opportunity to talk about the crisis in the country. by what was going on the country i have denounced in their communities and many many in the ministry media you know want to talk

about that this is not the first time france has done that in the country they did that in two thousand and four when. they destroyed the i wouldn't airstrike air force on the ground killed sixty nine i was young and wounded more than one thousand people they wanted to overthrow the president in two thousand and four they did not succeed they did not succeed this time around and they did and of course it is pure neocolonialism ok if we go to london eye or what do you think about that i mean it's very nihilistic on the part of the french and the west in general this is not the first intervention we've seen an eye in the ivory coast in a whole lot of other countries in the region and you might want to talk a little bit about libya later go ahead. absolutely i think the intervention by the west has always been their game plan and usually if they've got need for regime change or if there's more something more personal in terms of resources location or land grabbing but nonetheless i think in this particular instance i think the

french were very very keen and eager to get into the game play and i think it's a mistake because it sends the wrong signals that specially when they supported mr ouattara are very heavily that mr router as a company and governance moving forward will be tainted twenty extent by the fact that he is a supporter of the west he is controlled and he will deal with the west for kindly than any other leader would otherwise do but i think mr blood will found himself in a lot of trouble going as far back as two thousand when he came into power not to mention in two thousand and two when he refused to get mr ouattara to engage in the political machine in that country and of course the subsequent civil war that we had did not play in his favor and more so most recently when he had the elections which were otherwise certified by the international community that he did lose i think the writing was on the wall and the rest is history so are i think for all the intentions of the the french taking part in this equation and supporting mr

ouattara getting involved in the politics i think it's for the right reasons i need to send a signal to mr grow that he lost the election be that as controversial because it was a bug or was it otherwise that he won those elections france while in paris what do you think about that because what has been called the bretton woods candidate i mean he used to be a functionary over at the i.m.f. so he does very much look like the west man there and you know and so to them a gentleman who does have a french wife on top of that i mean is he really again a fine and self-pity ivorian people because that's one of the problems to country has a lot of ethnic strife religious strife i mean there's a lot of divisions is he the right guy to overcome those divisions in this country . these will be up to the people of. what regarding what happened the way the this conflict have been concluded by military intervention i think that this is something that is disastrous even we have to start with law

continue with law and finish with law and when we talk of law we have text and we have actions this is french and u.n. intervention was based on the result nine hundred seventy five. no place and no progress in this intervention do you see any justification of a massive attack as the military after the one you have on the contrary in point number two this resolution said that. all of the parties to continue to try to find a political solution here and this these resolutions even praised the african union decision to appoint a special a special envoy to solve this issue. these special and who have been exonerated it was the minister no no brito of a cup of murder but mr what president got to accept it but the what other camps

refused this gone so it was possible to continue to find another special envoy to try to find a political solution to this so i think solving a problem this way is a disaster is a disaster because you you have refused because when you act like this you refuse the voice of the people you have instead of the electorate the electoral process you choose the military process so we no longer in the logic of the voice of the people through elections this means that people are being frustrated and these are the if mr what are start other precedent if you have a very difficult. ok i'd like to go back because i do a lot of what i do after washington because i think you bring up a very good point here i mean international media by goes a really bad guy and maybe is ok but he is the new president the sitting president now is he any better be it

a meeting does he have any less blood on his hands when it comes to this conflict because it seems to me it's very one sided there's a good guy and there's a bad guy but it looks like a look at the two main players have a lot of blood on their hands are they going to be both held accountable. hello yes thank you very much when i was talking to democrats in our i said that in ivory coast it was not a matter of one person being a hero and the other one being a villain or one be an engine another one being a deal on growth project heroes this is what i said on the progress in our and i lost some ground zero where. i think i can even tell that he has more blood on his head than double because the girl around came to power through peaceful means i went and then he became president of course there was a moment of repression and then there were some innocent people killed by u.s.

forces which i have denounced but alas some of them are what they were created the rebellion in ivory coast in two thousand to split the country in two and then when the international community said that is the winner of the election which can be disputed because when the president of the electoral commission in asked that the prosecution read in the second round was eighty one percent that could not be possible because it was also said that because special rule cannot goes beyond seventy percent so now when the like for us are said in paris when they were trying to find a peaceful resolution to the consulate now the united nations are you with and friends have given a green light to our sometime i want to approach it really they're all friends see another two are part of the army of the ivory coast and kill innocent people and ministry billions as mistake it was even reported this money by a french newspaper there are certain people and they killing supporters everywhere

in abidjan in some people in that wasn't part of the country so of course our somewhat that is disqualified to talk about hope and change and then and then peace in ivory coast this is not only do i find are you with i mean a new president now he has french military backing ok i mean he has a free hand right now doesn't he i can you know this whole neo colonialism card is in play you can only mean we lead a country when you have powerful western backers and what does he have to give up to keep that support. well that's what is the price he who pays the piper calls that you're absolutely spot on but i think the intervention is wrong but i personally think that mr ouattara has his work cut out because he's got to find a mechanism to support the entire country and for the country start operating as one on how he galvanises the people in the south how he governesses they use are not for and cloying meant training and such some side identify with it as far as spiration and needs remains to be seen whether he's capable of doing so and he's

going to need all the support he can have internationally and very much so from the french and the international community and otherwise what you will find over time is that you will have a tiny rebellion against starting in the south really not to outstay him in the future so to avoid that and i think the international community the french have got to support mr ouattara he clearly is the man of the flavor of the season at the moments but above and beyond that mr ouattara has to find a mechanism as to how we can unite the country how we can disarm the thousands of ammunition is out there lots of people about guns how are you going to make those streets safe how are you going to encourage people who've left the country to come back and i think the international community have to jump in here a little talk about the end game later even in chief there is one actually after the break we'll continue our discussion on the ivory coast state.

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more news today violence is once again flared up the families are the images the world seeing from the streets of canada. shining tofor asians are rooted a. coupe. welcome. to mind you were talking about the ivory coast intervention. ok if i go back to france one in paris one of the biggest problems of these interventions as of late libya or maybe even afghanistan and we can look at iraq is the end game now has anybody smart people that planned this military event with

their bleeding hearts thought about the end game what comes next year are we going to have a fair trial for the good of the deposed or is it just going to be winner take all yes this is a very interesting question because this is this you can give an idea of what the people who planned this operation think what we should try as much as possible to remain neutral and to look at the reality and the facts and the question here is not to to come out or to measure who has more blood on his hand whether what our or or or about but we have an electoral process and then after that we have an electoral disputes the motto was how to solve this electoral dispute again you have to go back to the text. d'ivoire was a sovereign country with a constitution what did the constitution say because he said that it is up to the

constitution our courts to decide who was the winner. but the constitutional court had decided that rather was the winner but in fact given all the things that we use decision in life in life in my view was not fair this isn't and i think this is where the biggest mistake on the decision of the constitutional court was not fair because of many things because of it's know it will be a very long two to explain here but at least people who could have concerns reconsider this decision and the african advisory board we have proposed a way to solve this problem which we could have started first but to then doing this decision and try to see all the claims of the book ok so france won a major event here i mean as this is the lead up here i think this is important or ok go ahead quickly this is

a very important. yes but ok. go ahead jump in go ahead going yes ok yes you know he said he's going to get along so of equalisation about the. results my point is that our son don't know what that is perceived and it is true. he did his best sieved there fresh governor in the country and his best about somebody always going to sensitivity. to the to the apply the end. of many. many leading people out from my thighs and then when you. you know your your forces you know to be good and if you want to think that the results they were way way way way way through this forty six percent of the country house of the country not like there with his wife i've been you media when you do that and you come and talk about the recall situation is going to be difficult second being if you will. be

received from france and the united states and the international community there is no way aleksandr know what that is going to draw and what the needs of the people in the country because you have to first interest that international community and second is one of the person who believes that you need you know you can you know you can still be good enough to get where you need to go something about that are. sold his soul to the devil so there is no way he can really be elected president it was good to take i recall to the next level ok in london i'd like to go to you one of the things in researching this program i find it remarkable how many times internationally recognized president ok it is it is the outside community and we all know when the international community means it means western europe and united states that's the international community and we hear about public opinion and it was almost as if there was

a drumbeat here is that the west is already just termonde what the outcome was going to be in ivory coast and then they found finally their tool to do it in their favorite one is military and intervention and i wrong about that. yes to an extent it's the mindset of this this is the battle of hearts and minds and the west has got to understand that if they go in premature if the go into countries and get involved in politics that in the not understand if they fail to understand cultural and tribal mixes and how that integrates on the ground itself then you can find that they can have similar situations what we have in afghanistan and iraq and most recently that's all of somalia out of course now we're seeing similar situations with libya so it's a lack of preparation lack of foresight and a lot of understanding and very much so they could get it so wrong and they do not seem to be learning from the lesson but i think the united states has learned because this is why in in libya especially they decided not to take before the

moral high ground and and push to come pay for that they usually do in other countries but taking a backseat because mistakes can happen and the longer that these conflicts go on the longer that you do not find a solution and some of this crisis the more likely can make mistakes and the more likely public opinion can change on you and very much his back to his hearts and minds how you maintain the status quo locally with the population how you maintain the coalition itself and very much for how you maintain its national consensus and with that starts to change then the whole thing starts on rambling and there are risks when you get into these sort of mindset and when you get involved in other people's. missionary and was if thankfully in this particular instance in ivory coast a quarter of what we did not find that to be the situation but it remains to be seen how under locally whether mr ouattara can be embraced how the people in the south can support him and how very much so how will the country would move forward so i think only time will tell ok and i think i'd like to ask all three of you the

same question and i go to washington first what message is this interventionist military intervention into ivory coast telling other leaders in the region i'm thinking about members of the african union through north african arab north africa and beyond i mean where are we just going to have to get used to more and more interventions i mean it seems to be the flavor of the time if we go to washington first on that. thank you dear i'm going to take your part unity you know to say that obama sarkozy and the international community the lag behind site. for saito new crisis may loudly military offensive in the country and second. of the dictators. rule africa for many years i can talk about their first visit of ivory causal for one year i can talk about the mood. or we can talk about for almost forty years and to go

all of those leaders where backed by due west france in the us and then of course are that some people were not in turn they did not intervene in order to restore democracy and now your secretary of state of the united states of hillary clinton said out a do over to send a clear message to the world i think she was wrong because there are millions of africans who sympathize. and who still remember african heroes who are tried in order to defend our african serenity in africa nationalism who believe they live in an african ideal and who are tired of the new clearly isn't enough and who are tired after french interference in african affairs so those people that are this in understanding of their own people see as. a

leader who is trying to promote nuclear nearly them because if they want to go there want to talk about democracy they can they should go to get us all where the president of the country one of the best people you can have in africa sankara and i was in power for more than twenty years and always been creating where seen it written written are rare in liberia in sierra leone and now in ivory coast so these are the people they should go after but of course they will love to they're not going to go that. because these are good proper they want to work because the leading african nations france often go to you in paris where you think how do you reflect upon that because it still looks like there's going to be an element within the political establishment of african countries will always look for the west to get them in power to choose them as their new dictator or a new friend in a particular country and in the region in general it's still a bad habit it hasn't been broken yes yes you were talking about the messages what will this what messages come from this. military intervention i think i see

only negative messages the first one is that instead of solving the problem through a legal process through a political process the so-called international community france and the us prefer the military option the military option is destructive secondly this is a foreign intervention in africa we no longer need this if the limits have been solved by african african soldiers fighting each camps we don't need foreign interventions you have they call us you have the african union these are this is an african problem that should have been solved by africans this problem is not happening. in argentina or. so it's enough we can problems i don't know why french or not all these foreign forces could intervent thirdly one is

constituted to do this thing we see what what's what is the outcome now. president if you consider the prison situation. let's say a president alassane ouattara is the president contrary to my brother from washington i don't have any any clue against him suppose he's the president i don't have any clue the president ouattara suppose he's the president what would he be integrated under what's what constitutional test you see when you were president you had people who just people come out of the from the top by millions and they prove you bill is this the constitution that said you are you are elected not this military intervention has created something unprecedented in cote d'ivoire you have a president we don't really know exactly who has elected him because this could have been solved it would have been again possible to see what is the voice of the people of color d'ivoire and gentlemen and i'm sure i've been here every time we

could have gone along a lot longer i'm sure many thanks to my guest today in paris london and in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on arche see you next time remember cross talk means. you can.

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