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ok. with the. flow in the past are beautiful another legal intervention approved by the u.n. now in ivory coast a former leader is unseated at the expense of hundreds of civilian dead while the country's new leader be any different or will the west help him clean his image up is fast as it got rid of his predecessor. led to the. response to turmoil in i recall if i'm joined by now log ok he's in washington he's a political analyst and founder of africa diplomacy dot com in paris we go to france watch and didn't we he is the founder of the african advisory board and in

london we have are you johnson he is the founder and director of viewpoint africa or a gentlemen this is crossfire that means you can jump anytime you want but first let's have a quick look at what has been happening in the ivory coast over the last four months . decisive action and immediate results francis military helped restore my calling it i read coast listen to comparison just to start a country with one thousand four hundred french troops we're told over and signage to overthrow its longstanding leader refuse to accept defeat in the last presidential elections this fall are a colonic for the whole of the african bugs and snuck in and out of the desperate sufferings the so i thought it was for others this is nothing less than a cruel and it's imposing outside their well i've already answered still divided over the shift of power and your president officially won the elections but tara is making promises. our country has turned

a painful page in its history. after more than four months of post electoral crisis march my still really lives lost we are finally at the dawn of a new era of hope. though friends clearly picked sides in their current conflict it doesn't want to piss in a stakeholder and invader backed by the united nations its claims its soldiers stopped at the gates of the presidential palace and left a final battle for over iran's no matter what it is called a smart intervention but just a small french contribution it can be used as a selling point for further western military interventions in the civil trial or for crosstalk r.t. . can a gentleman like to go to washington first of what we heard in the report was it a smart intervention on the part of the french and the united nations smart intervention or neocolonialism. thank you very much our. great

honor for me to be on this show and i thank you but you know to thank you for all the good work you do a. period you colonialism and when i was given the opportunity to talk about the crisis in the country about. what was going on the country i have denounced the nuclear deal is and many many and immensely media you know want to talk about that this is not the first time france has gone that in the country they did that in two thousand and four when they destroyed the i wouldn't as through air force underground killed sixty nine i will run and wounded more than one thousand people that wanted to overthrow the president in two thousand and four they did not succeed you know some seed this down and they did and of course it is pure new colonialism ok finger the london eye on what do you think about that i mean it's very nihilistic on the part of the french and the west in general this is not the first intervention we've seen in i in the ivory coast and in

a whole lot whole list of other countries in the region and we might want to talk a little bit about libya later go ahead. absolutely i think the intervention by the west has always been their game plan really if they've got need for regime change or if there's more something not persons in terms of resources location or land grabbing but nonetheless i think in this particular instance i think the french were very very keen and eager to get into the game play and i think it's a mistake because it sends the wrong signals that specially when they supported mr walker are very heavily that mr walter as a come pale and governance moving forward will be tainted to an extent by the fact that he is a supporter of the west he is controlled and he will deal with the west far kindly than any other leader would otherwise do batta i think mr gbagbo found himself in a lot of trouble going as far back as two thousand when he came into power not to mention in two thousand and two when he refused to get mr ouattara to be engaged in

the political machine in that country and of course the subsequent civil war that we had did not play in his favor mosul most recently when he had the elections which were otherwise certified by the international commission that he did lose i think the writing was on the wall and the rest is history so i think for all the intentions of the the french taking part in this equation and supporting mr ouattara getting involved in the politics i think it's for the right reasons i mean to send a signal to mr ludlow that he lost the election be that it's controversial because it was a bug or was it always that he won those elections french wine paris what do you think about that because water is being called the bretton woods candidate and he used to be a functionary over at the i.m.f. so he does very much look like the west's man there and no insult to them a gentleman who does have a french wife on top of that i mean is he really again a find himself with the ivorian people because that's one of the problems that the country has there's a lot of ethnic strife religious strife i mean

a lot of divisions is he the right guy to overcome those divisions in this country . this will be up to the people of. what regarding what happened on the way. this conflict has been concluded by military intervention i think that this is something that is disastrous even we have to start with law or continue with law and finish with low and when we talk of law we have text and we have actions this is french and u.n. intervention was based on the result nine hundred seventy five. no place and no progress in this intervention do you see any justification of a massive attack as the military after the one you have on the contrary in point number two this resolution said that. hold of power point all the parties to

continue to try to find a political solution here and this these resolutions even praised the african union decision to appoint a special a special envoy to solve this issue. this special envoy have been exonerated it was the minister of. britain of a cup of elder but mr what a president who accepted but the what other camps refused to scar so it was possible to continue to find another special envoy and to try to find a political solution to this so i think serving a problem the this way it's a disaster it's a disaster because you you have refused because when you act like this you refuse the voice of the people you have instead of the electorate the electoral process you choose the military process so we no longer in the logic of the voice of the people through elections this means that people are being frustrated and these are

the if mr what are start of the president if you have a very difficult. ok i'm going to go back on who's going to let what i do go to washington because i think you bring up a very good point here i mean international media by bozo a really bad guy and maybe is ok but he is the new president the sitting president now is he any better meaning does he have any less blood on his hands when it comes to this conflict because it seems to me it's very one sided is a good guy and there's a bad guy but it looks like a look at the two main players have a lot of blood on their hands are they going to be both held accountable. hello yes thank you very much when i i was talking on democracy now i said that in ivory coast it was not a matter of one person being a hero and the other one being given a one b. and then another one being. both tragic heroes this is what i said on the progress

in our and i let someone know what i think i can even tell that he has more blood on his hand than bubble because came to power through peaceful means so when and then he became president of course there was a moments of repression and then there were some innocent people killed by these crosses and which i have denounced but there are some of them are what they were created in rebellion in ivory coast in two thousand to split the country in two and then when the international community said that is the winner of the election which can be disputed because when the present of the electoral commission in laos that departs mission reads in the second round was eighty one percent that could not be possible because our output it was sources said our goodbyes special report who goes beyond seventy percent so now when. friends are said in paris when they were to understand that this resolution to the consulate the united nations do you with

friends have given a green light to us are going to what are they really they are all friends see another two are the army of the ivory coast and innocent people i mean in stephen's eyes mistake it was even recorded this morning by a french newspaper there are certain people and they killing supporters everywhere in abidjan in some people in that wasn't part of the country so now of course the last one out there is this qualified to talk about hope and change and then in that end peace in ivory coast this is not as clear as i know you but i mean the new president now he has french military backing ok i mean he has a free hand right now doesn't he i can you know this whole neocolonialism card is in play you can only lead a country when you have powerful western backers and what does he have to give up to keep that support. well that's what is the price he who pays the piper calls that you're absolutely spot on but i think the intervention is wrong but i

personally think that mr ouattara has his work cut out because he's got to find a mechanism to support the entire country and for the country start operating as one on how he galvanises the people in the south how he governesses they use on offer employment training and such some side identify with spiration and needs remains to be seen with ace capable of doing so and he's going to need all the support he can have internationally and very much so from the french and the international community and all the wise what you will find over time is that you have that a tiny rebellion against starting in the south building up to outstay him in the future so to avoid that and i think the international community the french have got to support mr ouattara he clearly is the man of the flavor of the season at the moment votes above and beyond that the mr ouattara house to find a mechanism as to how we can unite the country how we can disarm the thousands of ammunition is out there lots of people who have guns how are you going to make

those streets safe how are you going to encourage people who have left the country to come back and i think the international community have to jump in here a little talk about the end game later even in chief there is one actually after the break we'll continue our discussion on the ivory coast state. if you want. her. space is above our national security there is no substitute and there is no alternative to military moments in space. the bombs on target the time battle mudgal about unless we're able to deliver through a space ship she can do better than the money from.

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the kitchen sisters. want to. welcome our own parallel to mind you we're talking about the ivory coast intervention. and. sisters. ok if i go back to france one in paris one of the biggest problems with these interventions as of late libya or maybe even after his day and we can look at iraq is the and the game now has anybody smart people that planned this military event with their bleeding hearts thought about the end game what comes next year are we going to have a fair trial for the deposed or is it just going to be winner take all yes this is

a very interesting question because this is this kind of idea of what the people who planned this operation think what we should try as much as possible to remain neutral here and to look at the reality on the facts and the question here is not to do cult or to measure who has no blood on his hand whether what our or or we have an electoral process and then after that we have an electoral dispute the motto was how to solve this electorate disputes and again you have to go back to the text. was a sovereign country with a constitution what did the constitution sit because he said that it is up to the constitutional court to decide who was the winner. but the constitutional court had decided that rubber was the winner but in fact given all the things that we this

decision in life in life in my view was not fair this isn't and i think this is where the biggest mistake um the decision of the constitutional court was not fair because of many things because of its law it would be very wrong to to explain here but at least people who have concerns reconsider this decision are the african advisory board we have proposed a way to solve this problem we could have started first but to by undoing this decision and try to see all the claims of the book ok so france i let me jump in here let me ask you this is the meter reader i think this is important or ok go ahead quickly there's a very important. yes not only. going to jump in go ahead going yes ok yes you know he said he's going to be too long too of equalisation and by the by the results my point is that allison don't know what that is and it is true.

and he did and his perceived as their fresh governor in the country and his prestige about somebody who is not a sun city. to be applied to. many. many i believe think people are not guys and then when you you allow your you know your your frosties you know to be did well bore and if you want to think that the results they were way way way way way too that i believe is for the six percent of the country how probably country are not like the way that we're and his wife i've been immediately when you do that and you come and talk about the reconstruction is going to be difficult second being here if you will that this support he received from france and the united states and the international community there is no way that sometime now what are his going to do and what the needs of the people

in the country because he has to say first the interest of that international community and second he's one of the person who believes that you know you can you know you can see. in order to get where you need to go and i found out that our yes is sort of the devil so there is no way you can really be elected president was good to take i would go to the next level ok in london i'd like to go to you one of the things in researching this program i find it remarkable how many times internationally recognized president ok it is this it is the outside community and we all know when the international community means it means western europe in the united states that's the international community and we hear about public opinion and it was almost as if there was a drumbeat here is that the west did already determined what the outcome was going to be in ivory coast and then they found finally their tool to do it in their favorite one is military and intervention am i wrong about that. yes to an extent

it's the mindset this this is a battle of hearts and minds and the west has got to understand that if they go in premature if they go into countries and get involved in the politics that they're not understand if they fail to understand cultural and tribal mixes and how that integrates on the ground itself then you can find that they can have similar situations what we find in afghanistan and iraq and most recently that's all of somalia out of course now we're seeing similar situations with libya so it's a lot of preparation luck or foresight i lack of understanding and very much so they could get it so wrong and they do not seem to be learning from the lesson but i think the united states has learned because this is why in in libya especially they decided not to take the fall the moral high ground and and push the campaign forward as they usually do in other countries were taking a backseat because mistakes can happen and the longer that these conflicts go on the longer they do not find a solution and some of this crisis the more likely can make mistakes and the more

likely public opinion can change on you and very much his back to his hearts and minds how you maintain the status quo locally with the population how you maintain the coalition itself and very much on how you maintain international consensus and that starts to change then the whole thing starts on rumbling and there are risks when you get into the sort of mindset and when you get involved in other people's. missionary and was if thankfully in this particular instance in ivory coast or court of law we did not find that to be the situation but it's remains to be seen how under locally whether mr walker can be embraced how the people in the south can support him and how very much so how will the country would move forward so i think only time will tell ok and i think i'd like to ask all three of you the same question and i go to washington first what message is this interventionist military intervention into ivory coast telling other leaders in the region i'm thinking about members of the african union are to north africa an area of north africa and

beyond i mean where we just could have to get used to more and more interventions i mean it seems to be the flavor of the time if we go to washington first on that. they thank you here i'm going to take the opportunity to say that obama sarkozy and the international community the lag in hindsight insights before say the new crisis may allow in a military offensive in a country and second we know that. of the dictators. rule africa for many years i can talk about their first visit of ivory causal for one year i can talk about mugu killings that he really can talk about you know rule for almost forty years and to go all of those leaders where backed by due west france in the u.s. and then of course now that time people were not going to they did not intervene in

order to restore the go proceed and now the secretary of state of the united states hillary clinton said that. was about to send a clear message to the world i think she was wrong because there are millions of africans who sympathize. and who still remember african heroes who are tried in order to defend our african serenity in africa nationalism who believe in a pan african ideal and who are tired of the of the new clearly isn't enough rica and who are tired after french interference in african affairs so those people that are this in understanding of. people see ours. as a leader who is trying to promote nuclear isn't because if they want to they want to talk about democracy they can they should go to look at us or where the president of their country killed one of the best people you can have in africa to

my son kyra and i was in power for more than twenty years and always been creating wars in it gritty really rare in liberia in sierra leone and now in ivory coast so these are the people that should go after but of course that we love their noble to do that. because there's a big corporate they want to work because they like the leading african nations france so i find going on paris where you think how do you reflect upon that because it still looks like there's going to be an element within the political establishment of african countries will always look for the west to get them in power to choose them as their new dictator or a new friend in a particular country and in the region in general it's still a bad habit that hasn't been broken yes yes you were talking about the messages what will this what messages come from this. military intervention i think i see all the negative messages the first one is that instead of solving a problem through a legal process through a political process the whole international community france and the us

prefer the military option the military option is destructive secondly this is a foreign intervention in africa we no longer need this but if other limits this could have been solved by african african soldiers fighting in camps we don't need foreign interventions you have a call us you have the african union these are this is an african problem that's true have been solved by africans this problem is not happening. in argentina or. so it's a nothing can problems i don't know why french or not all these foreign forces who intervent thirdly when is comes to this thing we see what's what's what is the outcome now. president if you consider the present situation. let's say a president. somewhat as

a president contrary to my brother from washington i don't have any any clue against him so of course he's the president i don't have any clue against the prison ouattara suppose he's the president when would he be integrated under what's what's the constitutional test you see when you were president you had the people who just people come out of the from the town by millions and they approve you there is this on the constitutions that said you you are elected this military intervention has created something unprecedented in cote d'ivoire you have a president we don't really know exactly who has elected him because this could have been solved it would have been again possible to see what is the voice of the people of god before all right gentlemen and you've been here every time we could have gone along a lot longer i'm sure many thanks to my guest today in paris london and in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on arche see you next time remember rastafarians.

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