happy a. merry tax day time to take stock america we made it until nineteen thirteen without the modern income tax could we do without it tom was joins us to compare what the founders envisioned for funding the government to the monstrosity we have today will cover how the income tax well pretty much makes you a slave if you get up early work hard all day and pay your taxes you'll make it big in this country right after you win the lottery which by the way is just another tax for people who are bad at math you're watching adam vs the man.

today is april eighteenth two thousand and eleven the official day income tax returns are due this year according to the tax foundation tax freedom day was just less than a week ago april twelve that means that this year the average american had to work almost three and a half months to pay their share of state and local taxes without a home i thought you said we spend about half your working for the government i hear you cry well this figure only accounts for taxes collected directly this year it doesn't take into account the deficit that is the extra debt our government will be taking on on our behalf for the year if it did they would fall on

may twenty third and that's not even counting projected interest see when the government borrows money just like anybody else. kind of needs to put a collateral in the case of the government it's collateral is. your future it promises to pay its lenders back with money that will be extracted from you and your children in the future from future earnings despite the extension of the bush tax cuts most americans will pay more in taxes in two thousand and eleven they will spend on groceries clothing and shelter combined and none of this accounts for all the personal hidden costs of government that we all pay in the form of fines he's parking tickets just ration costs import taxes. i could go on with that list for the rest of the episode but instead let's turn to tom woods of the liberal nieces institute to help understand how we got into this mess tom thank you so much

for joining us this evening at a pleasure is fine thank you so let's just start from the basics tom where did taxes come from. the wealthy they from the that the sweat of the brows of all the working stiffs who are told that these are contradictions they make to civil society that the proceeds of their free will be put to the common good and so on and so forth but basically it comes from where does anybody believe that arts guy well unfortunately because we have propaganda factories to train the kids but they do believe that but i think it's much better and more accurate to believe what robert knows said he was a philosopher who said in his great book anarchy state utopia that when you tax somebodies neighbor and as you said you get tax freedom day but we can go if you're

taxing the equivalent of three four five six months of somebodies labor that was of take you away for five six months of a person's life he said that it's forced labor let's call it that let's call it what it is well what's go back in time for a minute how does today system of taxation compare to what the founders envisioned and what they laid out in the constitution. well you know there's difference of opinion among them but by and large the idea that people incomes would be directly taxed would have occurred to anyone and everyone would have been horrified by in fact in the seventeen nineties we had the whiskey rebellion when people were upset that alexander hamilton had pushed through just to get through a tax on whiskey which they do this is the pickle elitist hamilton taxing the thing that would most her the average person and the whiskey rebellion was contrary to popular belief successful in the sense that once that tax expires by eighteen no one sickly how was the federal government clients after that

a the for again attempt at a direct tax on the public of well after the civil war eighteen zero one through the civil war during peacetime the federal government financed through to this tariff and the sale of public lands and somehow you know the earth did not break free of its axis and go tumbling into the sun but things aren't doing so well economically here and of course the current taxation system is bearing some of the blame for that right. oh sure we're const older so you know we're under taxed at this country which means we're under insley i mean i don't i don't i don't credit that very much but of course remember even though a lot of people don't necessarily pay like perhaps forty six to fifty percent of people pay regular in taxes well they do pay to pay taxes they do pay the sales taxes they pay all the extraordinary tax on hotels and parking and transportation that are imposed because you don't have to be a superset of a particular state oh they can get away with taxing you more heavily while you're

in town visiting their hotel because you don't vote or all sorts of things and up afterwards and you know people are led to believe that it's only the rich who pay it the average person doesn't just be average so that and there aren't enough rich people to keep so at this point ultimately we have so overextended ourselves that we're either going to have to tax all of ourselves that death or we're simply going to have to remove this albatross namely the federal government from around our necks thank you very much tom some of us are working very hard to do just that that was behind woods of the ludwig von mises institute and you can find more of his work at mieses org. two thousand years ago a roman senator suggested that they were acquire all of the slaves to wear white

armbands in order to better identify them but a wiser senator stopped and said no if they see how many of them there are they may revolt let's step back and ask a deceptively simple question do you own yourself seriously your mind your body your soul who owns it. i believe that as human beings we all own ourselves to give up some sense of ownership of yourself as to allow someone else or maybe some group of people possibly as large as the majority of the country to make you a slave what is the difference between a typical american slave of two hundred years ago on a typical american wage slave today we certainly enjoy more creature comforts and the illusion of freedom but just as any slave we don't really own the product

of our labor the government's able to come in and claim any part of it and graciously just let us keep the rest remember even under the traditional system of full slavery that we know from our history textbooks they fed the slaves enough to keep them happy and productive today those who use government to exploit us have simply created a more effective system of managing we the slaves or rather the rest of us that they see as undeserving of real freedom we live in a matrix of illusions of freedom and false promises and empty rhetoric and we know it's the only question is when will you refuse to be enslaved

so all this talk about debt and deficits in washington in the political back and forth we've seen is really just silly when you put it in perspective and start asking the important questions speaking of that you know we had stuff on molyneux on the show last week and. i forgot to remind you about that fourteen hundred bucks he owes me a shannon can we get your money on the line right now yet he still hasn't paid me back. anyways portress last year you just had to have that first edition of atlas shrugged by the way saw the movie this weekend blew my mind great if anything was too short yeah go see atlas shrugged and what we got and oh well it's got him on screen hey there you are still fun thank you so much for joining us tonight hey how you doing adam well hey i just

i was what i asked you about the debt oh you listen that's a great topic i think this whole quote debate about the debt is completely ridiculous i mean look at the amount it's proposed being cut relative. not that that's the fun not the fourteen hundred bucks the only from pork first last year. oh yeah. no way about that aisle or i'll pay you back when man you're supposed to be all about ethics and integrity you come on when you do your show you do you really want to do this now darn spread i want to do it now with you got the money ok ok ok it's your show let me pay oh no you know you know they're going to like her letters are out of verses the man who wants to party ok ok so my bank balance and ok listen i can maybe send you like like like ten bucks. unfortunate or your. look i know it doesn't sound like

a lot i thought about ten canadian dollars so that's what oh you know hang on hang on hang on sorry hold the phone oh man you know i'm so sorry i've got another bill coming in i can i can free up three dollars and eighty cents and i can get there oh no no hang on. look i got one more payment i tell you i can i can almost virtually guarantee you i can send you a dollar own forty how's that but dollar forty. forty eight hundred dollars don't waste my time well no no look i mean obviously i don't mean a dollar forty right now because i'm like halfway through my financial year so i can work to free up a down payment on that dollar for you. about three and a half cents i hope you know where i come from we have word for people like you. republicans then be. oh oh oh oh you know what it's really bad timing adam sorry listen i just got hit for some war bill listen i'm really really

going to need to hit you up for some money so we get him out of here this is the way to. look look look i thought americans were happy to get three and a half cents on like a fourteen hundred dollar debt i mean the us media says that the same ratio of government caps is going to decimate the entire system and i'm just treating you the same way the u.s. government is treating everyone i mean isn't that ok. that i've been trying to overthrow you instead no no no no no ok let me explain our u.s. debt fourteen trillion dollars the deficit this year projected at one point six trillion dollars first proposed by the republicans one hundred billion dollars well that's ten bucks on fourteen hundred nothing wrong with that they couldn't quite do it we've got thirty eight billion which is three dollars and eighty cents then fourteen billion and what they're able to actually achieve this year in cats to the deficit not even the debt three hundred fifty two million which works out relative to fourteen hundred three and

a half cents so i'm not trying to avoid paying you man i'm just doing what the government does the you know they are our leaders ok so what's the point about this agree or hearing about in washington that. is just a bunch of noise what it's designed to do is it's designed to rouse everyone who's dependent on the government to panic to call the media to cried the sky is falling the end of the world is coming and that's a way of frightening us back into not cutting the leviathan so you're saying that all this talk in washington all this back and forth all this partisan bickering political posturing it's basically it least it's some level designed to just scare us into thinking we need government more fear mongering more fear mongering until they start talking about the military industrial complex it's all noise it's all nonsense ok well i. appreciate the explanation we have fourteen hundred bucks for me now seriously. oh sorry adam yet here before three hundred dogs out a little bit i think i'm losing my connection. well i will talk next week ok.

ladies and gentlemen stuff on the new freedom a not radio dot com when we come back i'll tell you how to get started as a tax resister if you're not already at the tax think tea party in boston this weekend the producers were in revolt but the movers were there with the guns will get the full story after the break you're watching out of versus the many states. there will be there's one for you right now nice to be a military taxpayer. and the taxpayer actually taxpayer. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right.

i think. either well. we never got that says they're safe get ready because their freedom. and yet. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians to me is to come to the breakthrough it's already creating me who can you trust no one will deal with

a global missionary see where we have a state controlled capital and scroll back when nobody dearest needs you are see question more. new york city is our next caller on the independent line good morning yes the end of the misinformation rhetoric and propaganda from spokesmen like phage should hear never ceases to amaze me what we have in the federal and state governments in america is nothing less than a criminal mafia enterprise that seeks to steal all the wealth from from the sole entire population and president obama has appointed banks there is like timothy geitner and eke out most of his campaign contributions from wall street

investment bankers i am not filing any income tax returns i didn't last year i am not reporting for jury duty i am ignoring all notices from the government i am shunning the government completely the state and federal government not cooperating with any of their criminality they're trying to take away our liberty our rights they've totally disregarded the constitution and our human rights and i want nothing to do with the government and they can go jump in the lake thank you new york on the independent line i couldn't have said it better myself to celebrate tax pay this year there were a variety of gatherings throughout the country. racist sexist anti-gay tea party patriots go away

believe it or not that was at a tea party rally in boston which was the rupp disrupted by public sector union members who decided to stand in front of the podium block the speakers and chant offensive slogans for the entire two hour rally as a tea party member myself sometimes disturbed by fellow tea partiers worship of police forces who are in force of of the policies that we protest but perhaps what happened in boston this weekend might be a bit revealing of the true nature of our law enforcement system and what thoughts the cops themselves can be in this case it was the boston police also public sector union members who stood in front of their fellow union members to protect them while violating the rights of the organizers of a legal permeated rally this relatively in consequential a vain event paints a pretty good picture of where we are as

a country to stop and consider for a second who pays the salaries of the union members both the cops and the disrupters and can probably people more like the ones supporting the tea party the producers in american city are results and the people we let push us around with guns are on the side of the moochers this is extortion my fellow tea partiers if this doesn't get you to advocate pain as little in taxes as you can safely get away with i don't know what will. meanwhile in new york city a somewhat more liberal crowd gathered as well in new york they were led by kevin zeese the only candidate for senate in u.s. history to be endorsed by both the green and libertarian parties.

i think it will be more productive at this point to speak to the american people and say don't pay your taxes i'm certainly offended by the fact that we tolerate a system in which it's much more difficult for an individual to avoid paying taxes than a major bank but why call for more explore ssion let's just scrap the in from texas altogether there are numerous ways to resist paying taxes although when doing business with it with companies that pay their taxes it's impossible to really avoid paying completely and that's not even touching on the inflation tax but is just by being forced to use u.s. dollars you're pain a tax when the dollars in your bank account and your back pocket lose value because they keep printing or more accurately digitally creating more dollars in washington

the easiest and most common way to resist taxation is a simple as hiring an accountant to make sure you're not paying any more than you have to pretty tame right well in that process it's actually quite complex to simply leave out income for which there's no record or overstate charitable donations that qualifies deductions when done legally that's called tax avoidance then there's simply refusing to pay or refusing to pay specific taxes on moral grounds there is working for cash only and not reporting it or getting paid under the table. also a very common practice though is tax evasion there are also lots of legal ways to avoid pain taxes by altering your lifestyle for example a common practice right american history has been to avoid paying taxes on alcohol by making moonshine to ruin your own beer some people even bike to work to minimize their contributions and gas taxes but when you do pay your taxes don't forget

who you are working for and now a message from the president of the united states of america. that means it's time . for the few good or good or good the good. while it's the tea partiers who are revolting against high taxes and conservatives who call for less government it seems mainstream conservative advocates of tax resistance are much harder to come by however there has been a long standing american tradition of tax resistance in general from all political persuasions but especially when it comes to paying tax for war from my experience it seems those most courageous in their resistance of taxation are war tax resisters who tend to come from a small government but left leaning orientation join me now to tell us about his

personal stand against his money going to support wars he doesn't believe in is greg regal greg thank you so much for joining us tonight my pleasure so you have not filed since one thousand nine hundred seven i do file you do file i would you call yourself a conscientious objector to pay more taxes tell us right at will before we get into how let's talk about the why what got you to the point where you said you know what i'll put my foot down. well i was in college and. i was becoming vegetarian and becoming begin because i decided i did not want my money to pay for the killing of animals i thought that was. not necessary for my diet and i'd just rather not pay for it and i was just looking around on the worldwide web and i found some information on more tech resistance and then occurred to me that i'm paying money for killing people which is a lot worse than killing money to pay for animals well he says it least in that

case you're getting something that's productive and contributing to quality of life even if you don't make that decision and it's certainly not nearly as offensive as giving money to the government if you don't kill people but you came to that and what led you to what was what was a point you said you know what that's about it took me a few months. i pretty much i guess i had already had a strong inclination to me to be a pacifist and to not want to support violence to my action or through my money but you know i considered the consequences i talked to some people who had done it before and i just decided to do it so how did you get started how do you go about i mean you're filing but you're not you're not paying the federal income tax right so there's a lot of people who would love to know how to do that. it's not it's not that hard . so i do i fill out the tax form i file i report all my income i do

everything with it it really except i do not include the check i'm clear the letter that says i'm a conscientious objector to military taxation and i'm not paying and direct since one nine hundred ninety seven their response has been well their response is typical is to try to collect this and you know this is i've been i've had levy you know my salary i've had means filed against me but i try to resist collection and i've been fairly successful in resisting collection of the money that's a pretty tough fraud i mean a lot of people who want to get into being tax resisters of one kind or another will sue something much simpler either not reporting or awarding filing all together which actually it's easier to avoid detection or the liens and the other kind of consequences of that do you have any advice for people that are looking to get into this but maybe avoid some of the difficulties of the path that you've chosen well there are a lot of different ways to do work tax resistance the way i do it is just one and it has its share of difficulties i have

a friend who lives below the taxable income level deliberately keeps their income below that we didn't really need to be mentioned earlier that's why it's another great method if you can keep your reportable income below the reporting threshold of pain threshold in your pension and takes advantage of all the credits that he can deductions giving to an ira and getting credits for you get every time you know you donate to goodwill i mean i make a point of never throw anything away that i can donate to goodwill and you get a receipt you got to keep all of those and make sure everything is the doctor the full cost right and right so that's another way of doing it and there are other ways that are. you know involved just not filing it all and trying to get all of your money you know under the table from cash and so on and so forth they all have their trade offs i mean my advice would for someone would be to just consider the different ramifications and. think about it and choose the one that fits you best the last of the also i mean philosophically i don't have an objection to just hats

is just in general just like just taxes period but to paying for war so you know these things that are going clearly against the consent of the people like that ok well we've seen the rise of the tea party in recent years and now it seems the tea party is coming around to a more noninterventionist libertarian foreign policy that would be in line with your foreign policy position at least and even before that they were objecting to higher taxes do you have any hope that some of those conservatives on the tea party side would come along and join you in war tax resistance and now that they're realizing they are being taxed to support the big government welfare program known as the military industrial complex. i always have hope. you know it will be hard to go on without hope i'm not sure how. you think it how likely it is however not much not much yeah i'm not sure how likely it is and i welcome anyone who has a conscientious objection to military taxation become

a war tax resister. and join join our group family were free to any any i'll mind resource the point were blacks boycott not or ignore talks war tax boycott dot org thank you very much greg that was war tax resister greg regal in a letter to john baptist lloyd and seventeen eighty nine benjamin franklin wrote in this world nothing can be said to be certain except death and taxes. well we may not be able to cheat death you can cheat on your taxes and don't think that claiming that which is rightfully yours is any kind of cheating you are a free human being and no one owns you but you and no one can rightfully claim to own the products of your labor when you visit the declaration of independence here at the national archives behind a barrier and under a big piece of glass you can still see the signature of one john hancock jumping right out which is why hancock was a renowned tax evader who as

a successful importer to the colonies had lots of british taxes to avoid his signature was a bold declaration of resistance the tea party takes its very identity from an act of courageous tax resistance that was so central to the founding of our country it is that heritage we have to live up to today good luck america that's our show thank you so much for tuning into adam vs the man tonight check out our awesome new website at adam vs the man dot com to vote on guests and topics and find me on facebook and twitter you can also catch the broadcast live as it airs at our t. dot com slash usa and on you tube polls at the bottom were taken the day off tomorrow to get ready for our four twenty special on wednesday and tell them you are the resistance this is an important for mustn't. i.