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with a sponsible for the disaster is fighting a legal battle to shift the blame away from itself one thirty pm moscow time next to report on the battle of small farmers against giant firms eager to get us all eating genetically modified products stay with us for the second part of our special report. in japan i met with a lot of scientists consumers and processors and in partners and this document here is to convince version of the all the scientific studies the japanese have done using monsanto's that is over fifty pages long it has been all translated into english for me and that is on the food issue the food part of g.m.o. was monsanto always used the term substantially quadrant of the food is very similar how did you happen east scientists say that it is not substantially of an the food

is different and that you have changed it to genetic engineering or genetic modification you have changed the structure of the food and it is not the same and it can have very harmful allergens or bacteria that because there viruses have the bacteria that they use for the transferring of genes are also in that food so it is not the same and it could have very possible long range health effects of by eating it in other words what one saturday we sent it to our governments in north america is false and that it is not safe that it's not substantially quabbin which means it's not the same as other regular food and that it has been a major major announcement by the japanese scientists. in north america the train of transport is completely unprotected and open no one

has ever thought of the idea of transporting and storing genetically modified grain separately no it is too late. it's very difficult to segregate the grain from regular grain and it could be called a grain because you'd have an pam a nation from the pit from the elevation from the trucks that are falling if so it would be impossible to keep it separate so there is always be a small percentage each four percent each that would make sure gather and sold would not be g.m.o. free. thus the borders are open for the export of genetically contaminated grain and also seed into the whole world. if you introduce g m o's there is no such thing as coexistence and after several years it all becomes. i have also heard in europe the company saying that all the

farmer has to do is leave a buffer strip fifty meters one hundred meters there is no safe distance it doesn't matter if it's fifty kilometers it will spread. so if you introduce g m o's it all becomes after several years and to give you an example how bad it is in canada we no longer have any pure rub see we no longer have any pure soya it has now all g m o's in canada i have often heard in europe and we were also told that in one thousand nine hundred six farmers can have a choice they can grow g.m.o. they can grow organic or they can grow conventionally there is no more choice left it all becomes g.m. always and you know no longer can have an organic farmer.

again. they want control ok and they basically have control of what they have first they go in and they brought our seeds stay seed stock producer holden's corp i believe out of iowa and after that they have holdings has like a whole family or group of seed growers and the rule was that in ninety five i said in five years and after they told them you will be selling ninety percent monsanto product or you will not be in business selling seed so if they did not push monsanto's product on the farmers they would be out of business and so that's

what all the c. growers did they pushed the product on the farmers so that they could stay in business. because if they were did not have holdings to grow their car their sage talk they would not having to sell it it all changed it all changed overnight one thousand nine hundred ninety six it all changed and it's interesting that the way monsanto seems to enforce this thing is they go into the countryside and they try to determine who is clean in their own sea save and clean your own seed for replaying the next years is a perfectly legal activity. but over the course the last ten years it's went from a perfectly legal and respected activity to one that is illegal. all because corporations have the money to own seed they own life. and what's even worse about it is this is life that that the human kind of spent. eons developing.

you know we took a soybean ten thousand years ago from not than to what it is today and then monsanto comes along and search one little gene and then then they turn around and patent all the germ plasm not just the g.m.o. but the the components what portions of the seed and say yeah we own this too that's nonsense that belongs to humankind in in my mind. you know on center what's the called pirates or farmers to save their own seed pirate seed pirates they call us but i think we ought to revisit the real pirate here these people stole our genetic heritage. if farmers lose their rights to use your own seat you have become service of the land and we're back to the people system and that could quite easily be quite quickly happen in

a third world country but it will also happen in north america and i think to some degree farmers who already are in the service of the land already because he have to buy the cd have to from a certain company they have to buy the fertilizers they have to buy the chemicals especially for all from the same company they have to pay a fee to grow a crop under law on their own land so i think we're ready to our large degree we are already served on our own land by a multinational corporation right monsanto. martin was is an organic farmer a neighbor of percy schmeiser together with a thousand organic farmers he sued monsanto for damages arising from the contamination of their canola and mustard crop.

the thing is what should always happen is the precautionary principle we should not allow anything out of the laboratory into the environment especially to do with our food because it is so essential we all need food we need water we need air we should not allow this to happen. only six years later the supreme court of canada decided that they could not bring the case as a class action no every farmer has to claim his damages individually and assume the high risk and high legal costs.

when we were in switzerland last year one interesting thing is we had a journalist who was very surprised to find out that when we do surveys in canada about labeling g.m. foods that over ninety percent of canadians say we want mandatory labeling on foods and this journalist was so surprised he said we just assume we take for granted that in north america you're comfortable with g.m. foods look you've been eating it for ten years there seems to be no health effects . see people when you survey them when you ask them they don't want this we're eating this unfortunately because we don't know it's in our food there's no labeling there for being used like laboratory experiments where you've been used as guinea pigs and who knows we may be affected with our health as we speak with products that you purchase in the store anything that has soya or canola in it or corn you have to be aware of it because it would most likely contain transgenic or

g.m. products. in canada it was approved by the canadian food inspection agency they're the ones who give months hand over regulatory approval for the introduction but they only used the data supplied to them by months on from they never did no testing whatsoever and so when months sattler said to the canadian food inspection agency it's substantially government it's almost like a real food then the government said well then we don't have to test it if it's substantially covered we don't have to have our own scientists check and gave no testing whatsoever and that has really created a lot of peer ending in the canadian consumers because what are they really eating when monsanto said it was taken months and or has our very bad track record when bt

he was say p.c.t.'s were say agent orange was safe now are we to believe them when they say a g m o's or g.e. or junaid engineering est i would never trust them one bit because they don't have a good track record has everything he said before or it's false and a lie. also in the case of months such as herbicide roundup there were studies demonstrating that roundup could be used without risk resulting in worldwide approval of the product many other studies show the negative health effects of the active ingredient to round on life was eight months until itself warns the material safety data sheets of tissue damage bloody vomiting cardiac arrhythmia and coma a demon as a result of direct contact or ingestion of the toxin. and now the a profound that round up studies done in oregon shows that it is the third biggest

cause now from related illnesses in the state of california and eventually originally we were told by monsanto round up is so sake you could greek it. with the advent of gene technology the chemical industry entered into the business of plant breeding dupont and monsanto but seed producers for about twelve point five billion dollars in ten years today the two chemical giants are also the biggest plant breeders in the world producing about three quarters of the world's g.m.o. crops. the height of gene technology cynicism is the so-called terminator technology it makes the farmers biologically dependent on the corporations the plants are genetically modified in such a way that they are able to germinate only once sowing the harvest seeds is

pointless the harvest is dead. monsanto has said. that they own anything to put that seed in or they develop what about if you put hygiene into a human being there's that saving or me there's that say to you and you.

but i was from one end of south africa whether it was john as were girl gerben or her cape town cape town where the parliament is that i was invited to speak there and and incident happened in it or at the parliament and i'll never forget in town among one of monsanto's representatives also had given a small presentation and i had given a presentation with guys how their seats implants and so could be contaminated and come in out of the assembly of parliament assembly where i went face to face into monsanto's representative from johannesburg and he he was very very out of that i would say rude and a he said to me and shaking his face the mate they said nobody stands up to monsanto we're going to get you and we're going to destroy you and no way and he

also went on to say that when i get back to canada i was going to be in big trouble and sure enough three weeks later when i got back to canada monsanto launched another lawsuit against me tariff for a million dollars and for all their car cars because they said i was stubborn i was arrogant i didn't do what months and. wanted and after another year of trial the judge the same judge as the first went out ahead in the federal court a right it must sound one hundred fifty three thousand dollars a court costs they didn't get a million and so i am now faced with an additional costs if i wouldn't lose my case in this when clark. in may two thousand and four the supreme court of canada announced its decision one percy schmeiser did infringe upon the pavement owned by months on to a corporation by illegally seeding his canola which was contaminated with months until his g.m.o. seen two because he did not actively use the patient is not required to pay any

damages two months ago. at the same time as the judgment is being announced in ottawa percy schmeiser and his lawyer terry's a christie give a press conference in saskatoon there was no proximate two hundred thousand dollars judgment that was set aside by the supreme court of canada today and that to percy is a fairly major victory. i mean we feel that the fact that i can save my prime say made home without pain that cost the monsanto you know i was looking at a two hundred thousand dollar bill so that is a major victory to me given. the court rules further the page and on the gene allows the owner to control the entire plant that is the patient on the gene has priority over the ownership of the plant. where it's a surprise or loses a court battle to months after and that's what i said and just was talking to

another lawyer that it could be the biggest win for us for the people concerned about you know what was and time only cal and i'm sure that this from court and for applied years will have to revisit because where the results of their decision could mean that across. you could control almost anything that he put your genes into or anything he put their hands on that's the way it stands right now also some people legal people have expressed that name it was a white the station that eventually now monsanto will be faced to be able to have to control what they put into the environment for although i built the issue and if they puts up an environment that the pair ate and it's no they can't control they'll take a second look at it if they put something in there and they're going to end up with massive lawsuit which can break the company.

i was just been talking with nathan bush the wonderful until yesterday and he was really telling me he said i had a great victory yesterday and he said that we should own up harry and you've really given encouraging encouragement but he said what now has happened is that six months hatter could farmers could break monsanto. hey you have every farmer with four not want sound and say i think they're some of your team or canola or so being said mike you'll come and get it we don't want it here or are irish i we think some appeared to you more seeds are canola store being very nice he'd come and get it how it might sound to be able to take a plant out over a farmer's field how would they know if it could all plant when its status st and or farmers to say so much sounder couldn't it they couldn't do it. or.

the ground of appeal that we were wanting to win on was the one that would say that you know just because you have a tattoo or gene or a cell that doesn't give you a patent to a plant the other part of the problem is what what responsibilities do biotech companies have to farmers for patented material that escapes and causes damage that issue is yet to come out although the you know in that respect the legal battle as far as percy is concerned as drawn to a close and many many people around the world has paid their hopes on the. ground of appeal and hope that we would succeed but i don't think it ends the war the war is going to continue. continue in a different form i think this is a matter the parliament needs seriously to look at the impact if the now we're going to say in this country that you can give patents to people that allow them to

control organisms that spread themselves around that raises implications that were raised in this case that need to be addressed by parliament and i hope their advice to do so. but i want to ask you a question has been reported by our national broadcaster this morning that the supreme court ruled that you deliberately. planted that jeanette. we ought of modified monsanto's seed in your cross and i just want to know if this is a correct report or if you could straighten the record for that for once and for all in my view if you're not planting something intending to grow around a brady crop meaning some crop you're intending to spray with roundup. you know i don't see where that goes but as far as the supreme court was concerned that the lower courts. said that too that the cultivation of plants with the gene in it was sufficient to be infringement trudi as a personal as i said it's

a personal victory. six years of legal battle when we stood up to monsanto back in one nine hundred ninety eight we never realize it would ever go this far and then when the other point i'd like to make. a special comments from that it was a both the biotech industry you always have to remember monsanto late the lawsuit against me i did not play the lawsuit against monsanto they were the ones to start it and then we took my wife and i took the decision that a farmer should never ever lose this rights who's used to seed from year to year and that was the basis we parked for the right so palmer's did. you ever think. monsanto's patent on

a gene is valid and where ever that gene or rise by whatever means in any higher like form day old and control that like for and when i used the term higher life form i don't only mean seek your plant it's bird species animal even a human being so now we have more questions than we have atrophied canada in regards to who owns life. didn't. see. it. since two thousand and four percy schmeiser has not planted canola and his farm and is growing wheat oats and peace instead but

increasingly there are volunteers a brown dog resistant canola on his fields informed monsanto which tested the plants and confirmed them as being their patrons of canola but they would not remove the plants unless a full release non-disclosure agreement was signed and in that release form first of all they said we can never ever talk to anyone to the press or a new person but the terms of settlement work he wanted us to sign give all our rights away well that was no way we're going to do that this new way we give our freedom of speech away and get you know and their take they would. they want it i said we could never take them to court for the rest of our lives and it wasn't only pretty myself it was our children he what they would have to their take side to they would never speak any wrong guess once and and that's a reason why we want to sign it because there is no we want to give it a right so we can

a corporation. not souter said ok we won't remove the plants then that i call points out will then we are going to remove my we'll get help and we will move we will depart and we will send you the bill monsanto immediately send us an e-mail and said you're not allowed could do to those plants whatever you want because they're our property so i told them it's your property it's on my property. we want the land we pay the taxes get your property off our land. percy hired a neighbor to remove the plants and sent the bill to months sometimes over a total amount of six hundred canadian dollars when sons are refused to pay and luis miser filed a claim in the local small claims court. can you imagine the end there's been two months out until a billion dollar corporation come into court for six hundred dollars but five minutes before the trial might sadhu agreed to settle out of court and they agreed

that there would be no gag order my wife and i could talk about it i could talk to you about it here tonight so it was not only a great victory for ourselves but now it opened it up for all farmers in every part of the world if you work contaminated you know have an avenue where you can kate mccann and not only monsanto you could take syngenta dupont to court if you were and how many contaminated because now if president has been established. when i travel around the world and i need so many people so many organizations that have such a dedication the one good food they want safe food and they don't want the environment

our air our land our soil contaminated with poisons and then when i see how hard these people work and for what they believe in it gives me the courage and the strength to carry on.

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