why doesn't he show his birth certificate there's new polling that shows a birth or fever has now infected an awful lot of potential voters but is it where obama was born there for actual problems or is this just a facade for other fears looking to what's really behind this great american divide . the right to see what he wants to do what do you think this is america i think it should be a little bit more strict with people they're going to be a problem. but florida pastor who burned the qur'an ignites protest in the heart of

muslim america we asked is it ever all right to silence free speech. on the robot war has begun this is the u.s. deploys drones to fight the war in libya so is the so-called humanitarian mission flying above and beyond the original goals. and going above and beyond for their country nine eleven first responders once heroes now possibly villains here by the u.s. government could soon be calling them terrorists. it's friday april twenty second five pm here in washington d.c. i'm more in the surge you're watching our team well the birth of movement it's been cast as a fringe fantasy of the far right but now it's resurfaced in the spotlight with the soapbox of possible g.o.p. presidential hopeful donald trump take a listen. three weeks ago when i started i thought he was probably born in this

country and now i really have a much bigger doubt doesn't he show his birth certificate why has he spent over two million dollars in legal fees to keep this quiet and to keep this silent. but if you poll shows it is anything but french goes far beyond donald trump forty five percent of republicans do not believe president obama was born in the u.s. twenty two percent aren't sure just thirty three percent believe that he was and the mainstream media is focused on proving those people who don't believe he was born here wrong with evidence of obama's birthplace take a listen to the myth that will not die of bogus believe that president obama was born elsewhere in fact far from cooling there's new polling that shows birth or fever has now infected an awful lot of potential voters i have the president's certificate right here it's certified it's got a certification number it's got the registrar of the state sign and it's got

a seal on it and it says this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding now lost in that discussion is the divide in this country that the growth or movement represents reflects a portion of the american psyche that's moved mainstream which seems to defy live birth certificates and newspaper birth announcements so what is this really about earlier i spoke with adam koch cash host of adam vs the man and i asked him that very question take a listen. i do identify with those who are skeptical of anything that we hear from the mainstream media and i personally believe the president was born in the united states do i know that no two i have certainty know or two little pieces of paper are going to convince me if i believe otherwise no so there's a place for scalp the skepticism but i think this is a fringe issue even though you know as you pointed out a lot even a little of it as you pointed out it does have

a certain mainstream appeal and there is an appeal to a lot of the republican base that just says i don't like this guy and anything that someone says it's bad about him i'm going to latch onto and that's not something that's really unique about the republican base which is a part of human nature and human psychology you know we're able to attach evil things or bad ideas to people that we don't like and i would have i would have killed it was really funny people being opposed to the policies or the rhetoric of presidents in the past you don't seem to think question of their legitimacy as a president or their citizenship what is behind. there's a unique. aspect with the first black president and you know i'm not going to pry away from and say that that's not part of it because it's it comes from a new american ethnocentrism and it's primarily seen in the republican party now i think in the base and in independents rather than in democrats although you're starting to see it there too because we're not a good place as a country right now we're not a good place economically and so when you have a kind of crisis of confidence you seek out you know people to blame places to lash

that negativity onto you and it's no surprise that obama has become a target of it the fact that it's taken this particular form in the birth of a movement you know it's a little disappointing it's a little bit silly and i think it is a fringe issue like it has brought of people like you pointed out but it's not something that people are in the streets about people in the streets from the republican base saying taxes are too high they're talking about the issues with overall i find fair enough but forty five percent of republicans don't believe he was born here and you see that same kind of mentality when you hear people say obama is a socialist and then people do take this very ugly bad rhetoric also the birth the rhetoric at tea party rallies so what are these things kind of really about policies or are these kind of proxies for. the accusations of socialism actually have some grounds an analysis of his real policies there whether or not you want to live the way will socialism to what is a matter of how far you want to define it but in terms of the birth or issue what

we see in the way that don't trump is presented now there are people who want to raise this to sensationalize i think trump is running for publicity campaign not for president i mean i don't think anybody's really taking him seriously at this point at least i would hope not but there is there is that appeal and because of that there are people like donald trump who are going to use this issue to manipulate the political process and i wouldn't be surprised if trump was on the obama administration peril for this if he's only i really really doubt a conspiracy theorist and he was coming out but along those lines. and you know admin if you're late in the republican party republican base do you think people are that dumb now i mean come on it's not that they're dumb but that they're not paying attention and that they don't have the time to because they're worried about their families and get a job and taking care of their own personal economic situation they're not. if you ask them what is the most important issue facing the country and in surveys that say we know what is your top concern it's economy jobs

a little bit foreign policy which to me is unfortunately low because i think it's so directly connected in some spending to all of our economic problems. obama's birthplace doesn't register on those surveys people aren't concerned with that if you say do you think obama was born or not a lot of people will say yeah of course that guy but do they really care about is that really a priority i don't think so we are a country that is starting to realize that it's not about left right it's not about republican democrat it's not about these partisan issues it's about who's really in control this country who really owns this country and it's i think people i don't realize here i don't think it really owns this country and if they control not them and that's a problem and that's why people are pissed and that's what people are willing to latch on to this and in a way there's a certain desperation that says things are really tough we know we're not really in a position of empowerment to be engaged in this we know we have someone in the white house that we don't like who's not the one i think of for the economy so there's a natural channel for that into silly things like birth or ism but i think you know i a logic basically declassify logic is as much evidence. that. there are people who are

birth who are all those things you said about them but the vast majority of that forty five percent are just people who don't trust the mainstream media anymore and for very good reason and don't trust obama for very good reason because he hasn't kept promises and he's lied from many of his campaign promises of turn into obvious lies and so they have good reason not to trust him they have great reason not supposed the mainstream media that's given him two pieces of paper that are from a newspaper and from the government so you know can you really ridicule people for just having that doubt. as adam koch cash host of adam vs the man show here on r t can catch the show later on tonight meanwhile overseas as moammar gadhafi forces reportedly kill libyan civilians and push back rebel forces nato air strikes have not stopped the libyan war from moving towards what u.s. admirable admiral rather mike mullen says is a stalemate something analysts have been saying for much longer and now the robot

war has begun yesterday secretary of defense robert gates reported the u.s. has approved the use of predator drones in the north african country now predator drones kills has had a strategically important success rate of just two percent in pakistan and it sparked outrage over civilian casualties and that country and others now as concerns over mission creep mount archies laura i am asked the cop in every sense are escalating for the u.s. and its allies is nato dropped drones into libya. the libyans it's been a long hard month and strike after airstrike by nato forces in the middle of an increasingly violent civil war but in the midst of all that bloodshed what's been achieved according to many not a lot i think the situation is deepening probably got rather worse the african union attempted to cease fire was scuppered i believe great western interests are

now britain is putting troops in on the ground as advisors i think it's very dangerous we're involved in a civil war for which there is no problem interest sources and at what cost priceless human lives certainly but the ministry of defense refuses to release information on how much the intervention is costing the british taxpayer. dollars a day that means a month's offensive may have cost the u.k. as much as a hundred fifty million dollars and counting and this at a time when the u.k. is slashing spending on public services leading to widespread often violent demonstrations this is an incredible amount of money when they say the there is no money available that we could every week we could be building a new hospital several new schools. we could be paying the student tuition fees which are going up to nine thousand the year next year defense cuts

have already begun in the ministry of defense is expected to save nearly eight billion dollars over the next four years ironically experts say that's made the libyan war more expensive now that the u.k. no longer has an aircraft carrier every mission is longer and logistically harder we still have international and the carriers and so we could be doing a little drop. or maybe. six months would cost us. one hundred million. oh. and for all that investment defense strategists are calling the situation a stalemate peter hamby is still in libya reportedly using illegal and indiscriminate cluster munitions on rebel forces peace seems no nearer and nato appears to be settling in for the long haul until the libyans themselves can

negotiate a deal after a month of strikes u.k. forces are more inextricably involved in the conflict than ever just in the last week the ministry of defense committed to send a military advisers to libya to organize the rebels this is seen by many as the most significant step so far towards deploying ground troops and once that happens many seen libya turning into an up afghanistan ten years and counting your enemy's hearty lungs and. and joining me now for more is pepe escobar correspondent for the asia times who have been covering libya from brazil he joins us now from sao paulo i want to thank you for being here now john to have had just a two percent success rate in pakistan since two thousand and four and yet they've ignited tensions between islamabad and washington that's just one of the consequences what do you think u.s. policy makers are thank and put in libya. could guess pretty well might win say

right reza stalemates we could be a stalemate so maybe it didn't work the term a hoax in the beginning almost two hundred of them didn't work so what do you do your job or drills but it's not going to work because you know they were announcing that you said this five predators be in the city i just found out there are only five predators in sicily after more than. they have to to take off from the ancyl they cannot pick up from america aircraft carrier so they have to be somewhere so they're pleased innately great it could be ten fifteen of them but look can be accomplished by big groups of blow and says we're going to areas and you struck your tripoli we come back it's worse and so. these guys as civilians it's not that you're going to find a call in the states to be but the predators this urban where sere and defense are doing is running once again saying there will be a new call lateral damage we just have to look at the record of the tribal areas to

see this is not true and what that's a great point and you know one of the whole point of this u.n. now nato mission is to protect civilian casualties to stop civilians from being killed but drones are known to have civilian casualties i mean the l a times did a report showing how in afghanistan that the all the high technology that they are equipped with doesn't help screen friend versus foe you know that's one of the major issues here so you know what gets into the minds of the pets are going to these drones have. ok so two thousand and one so they can make the interface between civilians and friendly this is obviously not true and they're coming to the sunni. rice we have been target this is not a us war with africom the african command that was its first african war good term attacks were launched by general carter ham which is the commander of africa then the us which to nato which is basically the pentagon

a bit when i was the army in europe nursing is deciding britain's without an american ok and i don't we have been told that the u.s. is of less seriously out of strike missions in libya only us predators on the ground so it's room drysuit course another step and say look we're going to have boots on the ground of course well i'm back to that in a second but politically speaking was this a smart move for the obama administration with drones doing these strikes american lives are at stake you can win over the american population by telling them that nobody is going to die from u.s. soil absolutely because the american way the spectacle with no boots on the ground in no american casualties so effective if there is no train boat we suggesting to send the two hundred sixty seven italy and the swedish justice really know these are true two or three weeks and take the oil that would be part of his

argument as well because this is the action we can take the right now we have an opportunity in libya that there you go to your point of boots on the ground what makes you think that and what do you see happening here a lot of accusations of mission creep i think we have you know some some evidence of that with gates saying that this is going to be a regime change has always been a clan that this is going to be a long haul you know dispatching drones you know a lot of reasons to believe that this is not going to end anytime soon with a stalemate on the ground as well so so what do you think really where the wording is really headed. well it's what it looks like it's we're going to have already had s.c.s. british wilson to grow a french intelligence on the ground already we have the cia operated for murdering a months now i don't see a scenario we're going to have an order you when resolution keep legitimized anglo-french american boots on the ground that's the only way to win

a civil works you were in when i worked with the hawks with airstrikes even very intelligent trails a un resolution what about though you know brazil russia india china they had seen before getting they would that's not us on the security council would be time now russia and china. would lead to be the clincher in fact because in the previous the public square donated their voting beforehand they were saying that this resolutions are going to end it's a quagmire we cannot be over names into it and germany also said the same thing so that's why do you think it was that they didn't want when tega marries the americans at this stage but yes this case will be again and then the french american drafts resolution this time i'm sure the brits will say no enough is enough ok and then just real quickly we just have another many here but i wanted to ask you know seventy six protesters killed in syria today that's just one more example of the death toll in that rest and other neighboring nearby countries in

the middle east and north africa is this just more evidence that what's going on in libya is kind of just misguided an out of place you know why libya are there more people asking that question where you are yeah i wish you had more time there it's a talk about syria but serious very specific it's a much more complex problem than libya because there is an internal opposition movement legitimate that is the group for the past few years and to sit down there's a lot of foreign intervention specially from jordan and specially because of sell themselves arrayed so it's a mix of circumstances i would seek to syria. really pollutes the consequences for the middle east will be gigantic because in the nineteenth century soon it was greed to syria lebanon jordan is ruled that then that system first were part of greater syria doing. so if there is a disintegration of the most will be charged. the i was.

sidelined what would happen to the shiites sunnis shiites helped the shiites in syria nobody not so this would include a much much. discussion and meanwhile not as much attention paid to that as everybody is focusing on libya but i thank you for giving us your perspective and want to have you back on to talk more about syria i was asia times correspondent and they ask are always a pleasure and speaking of consequences in the middle east it's sparking a fresh debate today the qur'an or the constitution free speech and its limits those are some of the questions and issues being raised as florida pastor terry jones tries to raise a protest against jihad and what he perceives as shari'a law in the largest islamic community of america now you know he's best known as the pastor that presided over the burning of the qur'an which ignited outrage and deadly protests in afghanistan our case christine for that was in dearborn michigan she has a story. they came to show that the planned protest was not causing

a rift in their community even formed a human chain in a show of solidarity christians jews and muslims were not afraid. that we can work together as a team as if as one family they came to send pastor terry jones a message whatever has imported it i'm going to pray and as god to deliver him our message to him is i am praying for you he needs help more than seven hundred people attended a service on the eve of the protest planned by a man that has held the qur'an on trial and another man who actually set the holy book on fire to fight what some here deemed the greatest offense with peace. peace. but were some in the city of dearborn are divided are along the lines of two rules of law the constitution and the qur'an and truly with a freedom of speech but i think it should be

a little bit more it stuck with people they get to create a problem he has every right to say what he wants to do what he wants this is america this is not the middle east but at least he should not hurt your feelings for some across the country the question is will freedom of speech incite violence . earlier this month in response to pastor terry jones actions more than a dozen people were killed in mazar e sharif in afghanistan here in dearborn it is about public safety pastor jones was refused a permit to protest at the mosque but was told he could protest elsewhere he should not be stopped from expressing his opinion in other venues that he's been offered including in the city hall under local laws here there are four designated for the henry ford community center a public library city hall and right here one thousand for the third quarter but the bigger question for many is should there be designated free speech zones or

under the first amendment of the constitution should the entire country designated free speech them in their warren michigan christine freeze out party. now earlier i spoke with richard green he's a communications strategist attorney and former air america radio host also author of this book you see here words that shook the world here's part of that conversation. what i want people to understand and constitutional god was my favorite subject in the last scene will be the first amendment is a wonderful thing but it is not absolute and there is an imminent illegal action provision in the united states supreme court cases that say that you can stop someone from doing something if it will in fact create some sort of horrible activity action as a result and that's what terry jones is about to do i think we simply have this is fantasy that america is all about free speech and we are but we also

control it and we control it and circumstances i mean oliver wendell holmes all the way back said that you cannot stand up in a crowded theater and shout fire why because the devastation that could result from that exercise of free speech was in fact harmful to society we've made a decision that janet jackson exposing her nipple is somehow harmful to society the a.c.l.u. god love them and i think it's fantastic to have protests and they stood up to protest by the nazis to protest in skokie in front of a whole bunch of holocaust survivors that's fantastic but if in fact and this is the law and i'm just stating what the law is there is imminent legal action similar to you know some sort of protest that could hurt people and kill people there is an ability within the united states constitution to limit that this guy see when when the constitution came up we didn't have television so now any action that happens

in dearborn michigan is the same as if it were shouting fire in a theater in afghanistan or anywhere else in the muslim world and so it's a different reality and i think we just have to have a conversation about it and i personally am one of them opposed to allowing someone to do something that has at its. core the desire to incite riots and create that kind of that kind of aftermath he can do whatever he wants what he wants to come on your television show he wants to write an op ed in the washington post that's great but he can't do something that isn't intended to incite a riot we have to be realistic here we absolutely know that this will cause a reaction we have a lot of historical precedent and so say well we can't stop everybody from doing anything that it's an exercise of their freedom of speech because it just might do something that's harmful someplace else why then would we limit people from being

able to say i have a bomb oh it's just a joke that person will get taken off of an airplane and thrown in jail even though it was a joke so we we just have to be clear on what it is that we're going to protect and what we're not going to protect and so i challenge the a.c.l.u. and everybody else is that the oldest person member of the first amendment let's let's get rid of all limitations of allow me when i'm on a radio host tom hartman or no wiley or anybody else to say whatever they want to do allow us to say whatever you want to say on airplanes allow us to advertise whatever we want to advertise on television and then we'll at least be consistent and not hypocritical. that was richard greene communications strategist attorney and author of words that shocked the world now meanwhile after fighting tooth and nail for health care to fight the deadly illnesses that have resulted from their heroism nine eleven first responders now find out in order to qualify for that

health care they must first be screened by the f.b.i. terrorism watch list and make sure they're not terrorists joining me now for more from new york jim brighter he's director of political affairs for the feel good foundation and he is a nine eleven first responder himself a retired new york city police officer now jim you guys thought a long time to get the james zadroga nine eleven health and compensation law passed we've covered that extensively i know what a fight it was that interviewed a number of you guys does this latest kind of loophole or provision add insult to injury so absolutely it's some kind of clear logic that the who senator from florida has that would cause this to be in the bill but it's not going to deter us we're going to get what we need to get done and we'll move another mound if we need to why do you think this provision was that it. don't know there's the old saying you don't want to watch sources your politics being made good who knows who cares what his logic is it's unnecessary it's wrong and it's not it's not at all comical

what do you think is wrong with that and what's been the reaction from the nine eleven first responder community i know you guys are all tight. well. i'll answer to who two answers what's wrong and that is these are first responders these are people who ran into buildings when everybody else was running out with no regard of their own safety both for the needs of this city in this state in this country they knew one they say that their heroism was going to come out and it did but since your second question how we feel about it there are some responders who have severe post-traumatic stress much more than mine and they are dealing with the traumas of life every day since nine eleven and they are taking forty or fifty pills per day they've got a lot of stress than wind two thousand and six the federal government said that post-traumatic stress is a physical ailment so these people dealing with enough physical ailments now they're going to have more stress and more physical ailments because of the federal government because do you think that they're concerned that this will slow down

them getting health care or do you think they're very insulted that they're being screened on a terrorism watch list in terms of kind of being a mark of some kind of i don't know a black mark there are a huge amount of people to turn to and feel good foundation for hope that thousands of people want glenn to help every one of them and yes that's going to be their first reaction is i'm not going to get the medical coverage in the compensation i deserve but they need to turn to us for help and we'll help them and we're not there all the deterred and we're going to make sure that whatever it is they need answered the federal government will answer it and we'll move on but is that the fair is that fair that this is going to be one more thing that slows down people being able to use that bill or is it that it's absolutely nothing to be needing to be screened as a terrorist when you were here oh that was you know responding to a tragedy. it's both it's a stressful thing it's upsetting they think they're not going to be compensated they think their government thinks they're terrorists and look at these letters haven't gone out yet they're going out we'll read them carefully we'll make sure we

understand them but i can give an example of the left in not giving the right hand the answers i just recently got my certification which means homeland security did a six month investigation on me and they know where i am but they're not telling the rest of go and who i am because i'm going to be one of the recipients of these stupid letters. it's a great point and you know i just i do want to bring up you know my producer to tell me that you guys just lost another nine eleven first responder and i'm so sorry for that but yes that was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about you know what you guys really have been through i don't know if everybody understands how many of you have dealt with illnesses that have not been identified or diagnosed that are very confusing and not had health care for them. a lot of the responders who came down there nine eleven and the days weeks months and years after nine eleven i was down there for four years i was exposed for four years a lot of people with the money makers in the family and justly so and that's their decision their business but now the money.