lol. he has every right to do so you want to what do you. good i think it should be a little bit more people begin to create a problem. so is the florida pastor who burned the qur'an ignites protest in the heart of muslim america we ask is it ever alright to silence free speech. to show his birth certificate there's new polling that shows birth or fever has now infected an awful lot of the potential voters but is that where obama was born that's the actual problem or is it just

a facade for other fears looking to what's really behind this great american divide . and the robot war has begun this is the u.s. deploys drones to fight the war in libya so was a so-called humanitarian mission flying above and beyond the original goals. and going above and beyond for their country nine eleven first responders once heroes now possible villains here why the u.s. government could soon be calling them terrorists. good evening it's friday april twenty second eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster you're watching r.t. and we have some new information tonight the florida pastor terry jones is in a michigan jail a judge ruled he would have to pay forty five thousand dollars to march in front of the largest mosque in america as he was trying to do but jones refused and he also

refused to pay the one dollar bond to be released this after he tried to raise a protest against jihad and what he perceives to be as the threat of sharia law in the largest islamic community of america now you may recall that he's best known as the pastor the presided over the burning of the qur'an igniting outrage and deadly protests just after that in afghanistan christine present i was in dearborn michigan she brings us a story. they came to show that a planned protest was not causing a rift in their community even formed a human chain in a show of solidarity christians jews and muslims were not afraid it. would work together as a team as if as one family they came to send pastor terry jones a message whatever has him tormented i'm going to pray and as god to deliver him or my message to him is i am praying for you he needs help more than seven hundred people attended a service on the eve of the protest planned by

a man that has held the qur'an on trial and another man who actually set the holy book on fire to fight what some here deemed the greatest offense with peace. but were some in the city of dearborn are divided are along the lines of true rules of law the constitution and the qur'an actually freedom of speech but i think it should be a little bit more in fact with people they get to create problem he has every right to say what he wants to do what he wants this is america this is not the middle east but at least he should not hurt our feelings for some across the country the question is will freedom of speech incite violence. earlier this month in response to pastor terry jones actions more than a dozen people were killed in mazar e sharif in afghanistan here in dearborn it is about public safety pastor jones was

refused a permit to protest at the mosque but was told he could protest elsewhere he should not be stopped from expressing his opinion in other venues that he's been offered including in the city hall under local laws here there are four designated for. the henry ford community center a public library city hall and right here one thousand for this record but the bigger question for many is should there be designated free speech zones or under the first amendment of the constitution should the entire country it doesn't need free speech them and there were in michigan christine for that party. now earlier i spoke with richard green and he's a communications strategist attorney and former air america host and author of the book you hear words that shook the world here's part of that conversation. what i want people to understand and in constitutional law it was my favorite subject and

not to mention the first amendment is a wonderful thing but it is not absolute and there is an imminent illegal action provision in the united states supreme court cases that say that you can stop someone from doing something if that will in fact create some sort of carnival activity action as a result and that's what terry jones is about to do i think we simply have this this fantasy that america is all about free speech and we are but we also control it and we control it and circumstances i mean oliver wendell holmes all the way back said that you cannot stand up in a crowded theater and shout fire why because the devastation that could result from that exercise of free speech was in fact harmful to society we've made a decision that janet jackson exposing her nipple is somehow harmful to society the a.c.l.u. god love them and i think it's fantastic to have protest and they stood up to

protest the nazis to protest in skokie in front of a whole bunch of holocaust survivors that's fantastic but if in fact and this is a lot and i'm just stating what the law is there is imminent illegal action similar to it you know some sort of protest that would hurt people and kill people there is an ability within the united states constitution to limit that this guy see when when the constitution came up we didn't have television so now any action that happens and you're born in michigan is the same as if it were shouting fire in a theater in afghanistan or anywhere else in the muslim world and so it's a different reality and i think we just have to have a conversation about it and i personally i'm one of them opposed to allowing someone to do something that has at its. core the desire to incite riots and create that kind of that kind of aftermath he can do whatever he wants what he

wants to come on your television show he wants to write an op ed in the washington post that's great but he can't do something that isn't intended to incite a riot we have to be realistic here we absolutely know that this will cause a reaction we have a lot of historical precedent and so we said well we can't stop everybody from doing anything that it's an exercise of their freedom of speech because it just might do something that's harmful someplace else why then would we limit people from being able to say i have the bomb oh it's just a joke that person will get taken off of an airplane and thrown in jail even though it was a joke so we we just have to be clear on what it is that we're going to protect and what we're not going to protect and so i challenge the a.c.l.u. and everybody else who suppose the first member of the first amendment let's let's get rid of all limitations of allow me when i'm on a radio host or tom harkin or you know wiley or anybody else to say whatever they

want to do allow us to say whatever you want to say on airplanes allow us to advertise whatever we want to advertise on television and then we'll at least be consistent and not hypocritical at with richer grain communications strategist author and attorney now meanwhile the furthur movement it's been cast as a french fantasy of the far right that now it's the third shift in the spotlight because of a soap box a topical g.o.p. presidential hopeful donald trump three weeks ago when i started i thought he was probably born in this country and now i really have a much bigger doubt why he just had to show his birth certificate why has he spent over two million dollars in legal fees to keep this quiet and to keep his. well a new poll shows it's anything but french this poll shows forty five percent of republicans do not believe president obama was born in the u.s. twenty two percent aren't sure so what is this really about earlier i spoke with

adam koch ashleigh's host of adam vs the man here on our t.v. and i asked him that very question take a listen. i do identify with those who are skeptical of anything that we hear from the mainstream media and i personally believe the president was born in the united states do i know that no two have certainty know are two little pieces of paper going to convince people i believe although i know so there is a do there's a place for scalp the skepticism but i think this is a fringe issue even though you as you pointed out a lot even hold on even as you pointed out it does have a certain mainstream appeal and there is an appeal to a lot of the republican base that just says i don't like this guy and anything that someone says it's not about him i'm going to latch onto and that's not something that's really unique about the republican base but it's a part of human nature and human psychology you know we're able to attach evil things or bad ideas to people that we don't like and i would i would have killed those people had a people be opposed to the policies or the rhetoric of presidents in the past you don't see the same question as their legitimacy as

a president or their citizenship what is behind that well there's a unique. aspect was the first black president and you know i'm not going to shy away from that and say that that's not part of it because it is it comes from a new american ethnocentrism and it's it's primarily seen in the republican party now i think in the base and in kind it's rather than in democrats although you start to see it there too because we're not a good place as a country right now we're on a good place economically and so when you have a kind of crisis of confidence you seek out you know people to blame places to lash the negativity onto and it's no surprise that obama's become a target of is the fact that it's taken this particular form of birth or movement you know it's a little disappointing it's a little bit silly and i think it is a fringe issue like it has brought of people like you pointed out but it's not something that people are in the streets about people in the streets and from the republican base same taxes or to what they're talking about the issues with the wind find their ass but forty five percent of republicans don't believe he was born

here and you see that same kind of mentality too when you hear people say obama is a socialist and then people do take this train up with that rhetoric also divert the rhetoric at tea party rallies so what are these things kind of really about policies already kind of proxies for the pursuit of well the accusations of socialism actually have some grounds an analysis of his real policies there whether or not you want to pass away with socialism to it is a matter of how far you want to define it but in terms of the birth or issue what we see in the way that donald trump is presenting it now there are people who want to raise this to sensationalize and i think trump is running for have a publicity campaign not for president i mean i don't think anybody's really taking him seriously at this point least i would hope not but there is there is that appeal and because of that there are people like donna from who are going to use this issue to manipulate the political process and i wouldn't be surprised if trump was on the obama administration payroll for the doing good imo there was real now

they can stare at a parrot and you have coming out but i along those lines. and you know the republican party republican base do you think you are that down now i mean it's not that they're dumb but that they're not paying attention and that they don't have the time to because they're worried about their families and get a job and taking care of their own personal economic situation they're not i mean if you ask them what is the most important issue facing the country and in surveys that say we know what is your top concern it's economy jobs a little bit foreign policy which to me is unfortunately low because i think it's so directly connected in terms of spending to all of our economic problems. i won't gross laced doesn't register on those surveys people aren't concerned with that if you say do you think obama was born here or not a lot of people will say of course not i hate that guy but do they really care about is that really a priority i don't think so we are a country that is starting to realize that it's not about left right it's not about republican democrat it's not about these partisan issues it's about who's really in

control this country who really owns this country and it's i think people like one of the iraq i don't think it really owns this country and is in control not them and that's a problem and that's why people are pissed and that's why people are willing to latch on to this and in a way that there's a certain desperation that says things are really tough we know we're not really in a position of empowerment of the engage in this we know we have someone in the white house that we don't like who's not the one i think of for the economy so there's a natural channel for that into silly things like birth or ism but if you want my logic they can get slapped by logic as much as it ends i don't know that and i mean even baker there are people who are both who are all those things you said about him but the vast majority of that forty five percent are just people who don't trust the mainstream media anymore and for very good reason and don't trust obama for very good reason because he hasn't kept promises and he's live from or right many of his campaign promises of turning to obvious lies and so they have good reason not to trust him they have great reason not to trust the mainstream media

that's given him two pieces of paper that are from a newspaper and from the government so you know do you really ridicule people for just having that doubt. that and co cash host of adam vs the man which airs right here on r.t. now taking on president obama seventy six thousand dollars is a heavy have to price tag to make a statement to him but that's what the reported price that a group of protesters in california paid to have their voices heard and an obama fundraiser and hopes to gain attention to the case of accused whistleblower bradley manning and earlier i spoke with naomi picker and one of those activists with a fresh juice party lead protest pressed organizer here's what she had to say about why they told her that go. for it so that the people suffer very deplorable but there are places where i was. i was.

so things for other people like me. it seems for my own to steady it should perhaps. proceed to support. the law and we would play well. since there are parts. of crime. reports are. that there. are. i think whether or not it's. all right from what i understand to the protesters were obama supporters elected him our voted for him in the first election the first time he ran so are you guys in general disillusioned with his policies in the way that he's governed. roy in general although i can't put myself

in someone else's position ngaio i don't understand the pressure of. my people and i can't read his mind he said very intelligent. it's a boy or i don't know i mean as president i'm not a lawyer but maybe it's not talking about the same. but. maybe corporate interests are pressuring the president it is. right it gets that just speculation but i mean i expect president elect and i would love to put aside a crowd gathering to head off to the side but. it's just us. that i would really be ready for it is a positive or at the d.n.c. . i really love that speech and i would really love to see service records.

perhaps your second. as danny keren activist and member of the bay area based fresh juice party now meanwhile heading overseas and moammar gadhafi forces reportedly killed libyan civilians and push back rebel forces nato airstrikes have not stopped a libyan war and now u.s. secretary robert gates says that the u.s. is sending drones in now as concerns over mission creep mounts artie's lore and asks if the costs and every sense of this war escalating as nato drops drones into libya. the libyans it's been a long hard month strike after strike by nato forces in the middle of an increasingly violent civil war but in the midst of all that bloodshed what's been achieved according to many not a lot but i think the situation is deepening probably got rather worse the african union tempi to cease fire was scuppered i believe by western interests and now britain is putting troops in on the ground as advisors i think it's very dangerous

we're involved in a civil war which there is no problem interests are easy and at what cost priceless human lives certainly but the ministry of defense refuses to release information on how much the intervention is costing the british taxpayer. dollars a day that means a month's advance is me of course the u.k. as much as the hundred fifty million dollars and counting and this at a time when the u.k. slashing spending on public services leading to widespread often violent demonstrations but this is an incredible amount of money when they say the there is no money available that we could every week we could be building a new hospital several new schools. we could be paying the student tuition fees which are going up to nine thousand the year next year defense cuts

have already begun in the ministry of defense is expected to save nearly eight billion dollars over the next four years ironically experts say that's made the libyan war more expensive now that the u.k. no longer has an aircraft carrier every mission is longer and logistically harder we still have international and the carriers and. we could be doing a better draw. six months that would cost us approximately one hundred million. well. and for all that investment defense strategists are calling the situation a stalemate they just be is still in libya reportedly using illegal and indiscriminate cluster munitions on rebel forces peace seems no nearer and nato appears to be settling in for the long haul until the libyans themselves can negotiate a deal after a month of strikes u.k.

forces look more inextricably involved in the conflict than ever just in the last week the ministry of defense committed to sending military advisers to libya to organize the rebels this is seen by many as the most significant step so far towards deploying ground troops and once that happens many see libya turning into a not that afghanistan ten years and counting nowhere and it's hard to see london. and joining me now for more is pepe escobar correspondent for the asia times who have been covering libya from brazil he joins us now from sao paulo i want to thank you for being here pat thank you now drugs have had just a two percent success rate in pakistan from kid thousand and four and yet they've ignited tensions between a solid bob and washington that's just one of the consequences what do you think u.s. policy makers are thank and put in libya. spirit well nightmare and so right there is a stalemate we knew to be

a stalemate so nato didn't work it's over hawks in the beginning almost two hundred of them didn't work so what do you do you go drills but it's not going to work because you know they were announcing that you said there are five predators in the city i just don't go there are only five predators in sicily at the moment they can after they have to take off from the ancyl they cannot pick up from america aircraft carrier so they have to be somewhere so that at least initially early that we don't fifteen of them but look can be accomplished i'd say growing to suzy's going to areas in new. york tripoli where cut benefits forces oh ready these guys are civilians it's not that you're going to find a column of tanks to be but it predators this urban where sere and the pentagon is running once again saying there will be no collateral damage we just have to look at the record if you try to see this is not true i want that's a great point and you know one of the what the point of this u.n.

now nato mission is to protect civilian casualties to stop the planes from being killed but drones are known to have civilian casualties i mean the l a times in a report showing how an afghanistan that got all the high technology that they are equipped with doesn't help screen friend versus you know that's one of the major issues here so so you know what is in their minds ok so i don't see these drones. that kind of shows two thousand and one line so they can make them to. own friends list this is obviously not true and coming back to the tsunami that christiane writes we have been through that this is not a us war room this by africom the african command that was its first african war between the hawks were launched by general carter ham which is the commander of africa then the rest which to nato which is basically defense are

going to go for nice to or in europe no senior deciding presence without an american ok and now that we have been there but the u.s. as is less. out of strike missions in libya murwillumbah us predators on the ground so once wound right another none still them so we're going to have some that sound of course well back to that in a second but politically speaking was this a smart move for the obama administration with drones doing the strike american lives are at stake and went over the american population by telling them that nobody's going to die from u.s. soil absolutely because american way yes that can already imply some of the ground in the american casualties. if there is to know tomorrow is this suggesting to stand a two hundred sixty two rooms seven italy and swim a shaft because really though this is a dream trip three weeks and take the oil that would be part of his argument as well because of certain steps and we can very well see right now we have an

opportunity that there you go to your point of boots on the ground what makes you think that and what do you see happening here a lot of accusations of mission creep i think we have you know some evidence of that with eight saying that this is going to be a regime change is always been the plan that this is going to be a long haul and you know just patching drones you know a lot of reasons to believe that this is not going to end anytime soon but that. they are made on the ground as well so what do you think really where and where did it is really headed well let's weather looks like it's we're going to have already have s.p.'s which is what's on the ground we have french intelligence on the ground already we have the cia operated for more than a month now. sooner or later we're going to have another u.n. resolution just to my eyes and the french american boots on the ground that's the only way to win a super will you won't win a war with the hawks strikes and even with this very intelligence roles a u.n.

resolution what about so you know brazil russia india china ban than before do you think they would beat this out on a security council would veto now russia and china that get to move back to the clincher in fact because in the previous through the brics cleared it made their wills and beforehand they were saying that this resolution is open ended it's a quagmire we cannot be finance into it and germany also said the same thing so that's why they abstain and all this if they didn't go into effect on the eyes the americans at this stage yes in this case would be again a number of french american draft resolution list i'm sure the brits will say no enough is enough ok and then just real quickly we just have another one here but i wanted to ask you know seventy six protesters killed in syria today that's just one more example of the death toll in iraq and other neighboring new year by countries in the middle east and north africa is this just more evidence that what's going on

in libya is kind of just misguided and out of place you know by libya are there more people asking that question where you are yeah i wish you had worked on lawrence and talk about syria but serious very specific and some rich more complex problem than libya because there is an internal position movement legitimate that has been brewing for the past few years and that the same time there's a lot of foreign intervention specially from jordan and specially the house will see. so if you're reading so it's a mix of circumstances i would see if syria really pollutes the consequences for the middle east would be gigantic because in the nineteenth century soon it was groups of syria. jordan and these rules that didn't exist of course were clark of greater syria and yet won it by air so if there is a disintegration or so you're nobody knows who will be in charge majority sunni the i was in the sideline what would happen to the shiites would be rude when he shouts

help the shiites in syria nobody nor so this would include a much much. discussion also and meanwhile as much attention paid to that as everybody is focusing on libya but i thank you for giving us your perspective and want to have you back on to talk more about syria i was asia times correspondent how bad things are always a pleasure meanwhile after fighting tooth and nail for health care to fight the deadly illnesses that have resulted from their heroism and i don't live in first responders now find out an order to qualify for that care they must first be screened by the f.b.i. terrorism watch list earlier i spoke with jan rider he's director of political affairs at the feel good and asian and a nine eleven responder himself here's part of that conversation some kind of clear logic that the senator from florida has that would cause this to be in the bill but it's not going to terrorists we're going to get what we need to get done and we'll move another amount if we need why do you think this provision was added. i don't

know there's the old saying you don't want to watch sources or politics being made but who knows who cares what his logic is it's unnecessary it's wrong and it's not it's not at all come clean what do you think is wrong with that and what's been the reaction from the nine eleven first responder you guys are all tight. well i'll tell you. who who answers what's wrong and that is these are first responders these are people who ran into buildings when everybody else was running out with no regard of their own safety boats for the needs of the city in this state in this country they knew one they say that their heroism was going to come out and did but to answer your second question how we feel about it there are some responders who have severe post-traumatic stress much more than mine and they are dealing with the traumas of life every day since nine eleven and they are taking forty or fifty pills per day they've got a lot of stress than wind two thousand and six the federal government said that post-traumatic stress is stress is a physical ailment so these people dealing with enough physical ailments now

they're going to have more stress and more physical ailments because of the federal government because i do think that they're concerned that this will slow down them getting health care or do you think they're very insulted that they're being screened on a terrorism watch list in terms of kind of that being a mark of some kind of i don't know a black mark there are a huge amount of people that turns that feel good foundation for hope dows and of people want glenn to help every one of them and yes that's going to be their first reaction is i'm not going to get the medical coverage in the compensation i deserve but they need to turn to us for the help that will help them and we're not there all the deets heard and we're going to make sure that whatever it is they need answered the federal government will answer it and we'll move on but is that the fair is that fair that this is going to be one more thing that slows down people being able to use this bill or is it that it's so insulting to be needing to screen the screen as a terrorist when you were hero that was you know responding to a tragedy it's both it's.