group social maternal grand leader their children come to be sure marco results will result in the silty on. location and with results michael beverly closer to home with the riviera hotel in the car seats he told the car. trying to use a storage area. you know half the crap that was thrown from growing like a posters. do all these big infrastructure projects very efficiently. so this may be why the i.m.f. is predicting good fortune for china at the expense of u.s. economic dominance and the dire warnings that the age of america is coming to an end we ask whether free market capitalism is to blame. and on locking the secrets of guantanamo bay imprisoning innocent people and keeping them locked away based on faulty evidence uncovered in some cases through torture we can leaks

reveals the ugly truths behind this u.s. military prison. and as we can expose a secret after secret obama reveals his verdict for accused whistleblower bradley manning so mr president whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. good evening it's monday april twenty fifth floor pm here in washington d.c. i'm lucy catherine of and you're watching our t.v. now a bombshell out of the international monetary fund today spelling bee and or the potential end of the age of american economic dominance now according to the latest forecasts from the i.m.f. china is poised to overtake the u.s. economy and twenty sixteen just five years from now and much sooner than previously expected now the rise of china and the relative decline of america is one of the biggest stories of our time. time the implications are visible nearly everywhere

from sugar factories in the midwest to soaring cost of oil and other commodities if the end of america's economic hedge money is truly imminent what are the implications for the globe and for free market capitalism but with us to explain how and why we got here and what the future has in store is max rod wolff economist at the new school. max thank you so much for being here we all knew that this was coming that china was on the rise but i think that no one really have the sense that it was going to happen so quickly i mean if you look back just a decade ago the u.s. economy was i think something like three times the size of china how do we get to this point so fast but part of what happened is that the united states has been growing at about struggling to grow at about two to three percent the chinese have been turning in growth numbers of about ten or eleven percent a year we should also remember the china does have a billion more people across only them the united states so added up their extra billion people should be producing output at least as large as the u.s.

and part of what we're seeing today to our numbers the forecasts are of purchasing power parity or p.p.p. and what that time to do is adjust the numbers for the differential cost of living and china has a much lower cost of living than the united states so sometimes you get an idea of how people are actually living we look at something called g.d.p. per capita which is how much income does the average person get and their united states remains about four to five times higher than that the chinese numbers that we're likely to see in the next few years but it's a significant i mean again this is something that we need to china was on the rise we knew that china was poised to overtake the united states what role i guess did their own policies play in making this kind of disparity. well our own policies are largely behind the rise of china in many ways and the decline of the united states i mean it's probably not good for the accidental this comes a week or it's sort of strangely for two of us are eerie this comes a week after we see standard and poor's threatened to put the u.s. treasury the u.s. sovereign debt on a downgrade watch and if you do keep importing more than you act or you keep

running giant trade deficits and you consume more than you produce and you outsource and ship those jobs and you import a lot of goods from another place and that places china and then you're actually sending out your growth and they're receiving it so if you see if we've bought off shored a lot of our growth and brought in their products now explains part of why we're growing slowly and they're growing relatively quickly so i guess any of the freakout that we might see from lawmakers on capitol hill should be taken with a grain of salt given that our own policies were to blame now broadly speaking what in your mind is this a the rise of china say about the failures or success or successes of free market capitalism and democracy. well i mean i think there's maybe more to be debate about different rates of democracy between the united states and china i think china is a pretty thoroughly capitalistic country and we've seen its growth be very much driven in those small part by its competitive entry into particularly manufacturing for export i do think that one thing the chinese have done well the americans have done quite badly which is accelerated this process is a the united states got to sort of point where they made the assumption that

american dominance was big into the cake that we would be dominant because we're american and sort of thinking it as an accident of history which is fragile and won't last i mean i think is that we continue to make national political policy for the political expedience and short term benefit of a small number of politicians instead of having a really disciplined long term outlook on the chinese continue to make basic policy decisions in order to maximize their growth and have a dominant position in the world economy five ten and twenty years from now and having much better policy eventually catches up with the people with the worst policy and benefits the people with better parts and it's interesting that you bring up this perspective that sort of the united states will remain at the top just because we're americans i think one of the thinkers that has at least in the economic world that has really contributed to that point of view is francis fukuyama the economist who actually happened to speak in washington today of course he's best known for his book the end of history and the last man where he predicted that liberal democracies will essentially become the final former of government and one of our reporters is actually there and i asked him whether he would take back

his assessments given the realistic economic realities of today a way to take a listen to what he had to say in response i don't think the financial crisis is a fundamental defect of liberalism is that it's the failure to regulate financial sector at a. sufficient political will i think you could have avoided crisis so in my mind he sort of blaming a few rogue individuals on wall street as opposed to the system itself and sort of not willing to step back and look at the big or bigger flaws in this thinking in the system what's your response to that. well i mean i think that it's so it always shows a certain amount of gravity to us to be willing to admit a mistake that shows quite the opposite when you're not i think whenever you see predictions that whatever we're seeing right now will be forever or only grow sometimes in financial markets is called the permanently high plateau philosophy you always know you're talking to someone who has a dim vision of the past and hasn't learned the lessons of history whenever we've been sure anything was here to stay it's always perished fairly shortly thereafter

that certainty that sense of assuredness about what tomorrow holds is a sign of hubris and not insight well and on that note i mean if it's so mind boggling to me personally that we continue to spend so much money on on sort of trying to pay for our military dominance in the world thinking that somehow military dominance will keep us in power regardless of the real economic situation and you speak of the sort of shortsightedness i'm not willing to learn from history why haven't we been able to learn from i don't know the spanish empire the british empire and and not understand that just because we spend a lot of money to be number one doesn't mean we're going to be number one in our economy doesn't support that. you know i would ask what are we spending the money to be number one in what might matter more than whether or not you're number one and the other thing is that you people get into habits it's hard when you've been successful at something to get off and figure out why it's not working for you get off a particular path and figure out it's not working for you anymore and we haven't been particularly good on that front united states is still going to be very important

and the chinese still have real fragility so we don't want to make the same mistake others have made in reverse that being said however the united states has kind of spent like good could make its own rules and for a while that worked and eventually it doesn't and the relationship between our spending and our revenue has to be gotten in line and quite frankly i'm not sure we can sustain anything like this aside we've historically been unless we reinvest in jobs that pay people a living wage and make sure to rebuild the middle class that's barely hanging on to survival after the last thirty thirty five years of policy and economic outcomes all right max all good points and i know there are lawmakers on the hill will have to buckle down and actually start paying attention to this when they come back from session next week that's next travel for economists for the new school thank you. now another massive trove of documents obtained by wiki leaks reveals that the united states knowingly imprisoned scores of innocent men in a can grant on a movie prison the biggest story here is one that we probably already knew that the information used to justify the years long detainment of many of the prisoners was

often ludicrously spotty based on trivial details or unreliable testimony but the stories of those detained were brought vividly to light by the files some were heartbreaking making eighty nine year old afghan villager an ailing farmer imprisoned for years or a fourteen year old boy who had been an innocent kidnap victim some of the prisoners were taken simply because they were a popular model of cassio gotcha's used as timers by al qaeda at the moment one hundred seventy two detainees remain in the cuban prison outside of the protection of the united states courts or international law with us to discuss the leaks as well as the broader implications for the u.s. standing in the world to scott horton contributing editor for harper's magazine scott great to have you back on the program now i know you've written in detail about the guantanamo bay facility and some of the abuses that have taken place there not a lot of earth shattering revelations in the latest files i would say probably more of the details confirmation of what folks like yourself already knew walk me

through some of the the points that really stood out to you that we really should be paying attention to and this violence where i grew to. or an. army colonel who i am here all of our all. in market. thought we were on the world was a. senior or in the administration are you. in card number or were there were we the innocent. and the decision was very we were all. basically the administration warns with this to make it worse. and i think it leaves charles you stark union station but just. so we or jim are one hundred and reserves we believe there was

to be completely innocent some of those prisoners held six evidence it's not in the them and we see another group something around two hundred prisoners where the evidence. two are either it's all there or where he says should a person so be well with the media but not of your or your bakers and one of the organizations in fact which ones are the most guilty say. or less one hundred years i've been in there now it's either they moved towards it with our well or do. so we just as we see it certainly will and we will keep them and earn about

a little error but the open. political embarrassment and also illegal embarrassment i mean i think you make a good point in the sense that we we clearly did not have any sort of screening system on the ground that would have prevented some of these innocent people from being swept up but you know at the same time clique of africa i wonder if you can really blame the obama administration for not moving fast on guantanamo on closing guantanamo and releasing these folks because if they were taken into the system if if a lot of the information that kept them in prison was obtained even be a torture or other on site we methods doesn't that open up to the united states to criminal condemnation in courts of law whether international law or or even u.s. courts and sort of the cash money too. but that's precisely correct i think we can step back and say these people were being held some of them under unconscionable circumstances and i think there was outrage in chair both at the pentagon and in the white house if it turns out they are innocent that's were they ask are we

tortured someone who wasn't a part of it was just. that person's and two to three they under just the united states and the reputation of our u.s. program and i think we will get some of the intelligence analysts you see very. or in the west bank it's how much we eat bacon all right but it might help. with some fish in the beach or yeah it's about the story about people one of the things i wanted to ask you about i know you've spoken about this issue a sort of the international implications for the united states i mean if we continue to maintain this facility which has caused so much consternation abroad does this sort of undermine the entire system of international humanitarian law which the united states was was instrumental in championing and in the mid one thousand nine hundred of the century i mean how can we go to for example some of

these arabic countries where the the arab spring is taking place and demands that these leaders stand accountable to humanitarian law when our own country isn't necessarily sticking to those kinds of principles as in the case of guantanamo. in fact the big push for closing guantanamo is not coming from america's adversaries in the world it's coming from america's first hour i went there be a juryman a italy france nato allies who were in the very loud voice on the canadian side and you point to europe's press room because we are back and we will. launch the earth's ring with the fireworks behind us but the word was that it may be human. in fact words here are the discussion with you just for instance focused very heavily on the wear and watch on the book they were being attacked they were the same who would provide and what's going on and both of those

country was basically a state. if you didn't think it's made of and just imprisoned with were used by their own. but nevertheless the us negative examples were in the background and i think that's what. obama's watch was were close to all about i think that here we come up with the worst aspects of the worst often aim of our unfair spread as it were about six. the big thing but the game is still there all right well unfortunately we're almost out of time but again it's very difficult to to have other folks stand up to certain standards when we ourselves can't seem to stand up to them that was scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine. now while much attention is being given to the latest wiki leaks files the soldier accused of releasing that data continues to

languish behind bars after nearly eight months of solitary confinement at quantico army private first class bradley manning has been forced to move to supposedly a more humane facility in texas but is this really the case and more over why is our president presuming his guilt before trial joining me now for more is kevin zeese he's director of come home america us and bradley manning support that mark have been thank you so much for being here. what happened to innocent until proven guilty i was very taken aback by the president's comments last week where he essentially said that he personally felt that bradley manning was guilty in this case what does that mean to you now those are very clear by president obama really cause a serious problems in the. case and how is your fair trial now going to be in a military court really jury will be about military officers who are all need to respond well you are as the commander in chief i can imagine an officer. not

guilty. career emphasis on the sun i think there's a reason for private very pro-military yeah i mean especially how do you how do you presume that somebody will see innocence in a case where the commander in chief has already proclaimed guilt one of the the other questions that i wanted to ask you about a sort of the this loss of a focus on the case of bradley manning amid all of these wiki leaks revelations i mean it seems to me that bradley manning has done more than many of our own media publications in sort of exposing some of the wrongdoings that have come out from this administration and previous administrations really sort of helping to for us to understand the limits of government rule why do you think what i think bradley manning's case has been so forgotten well i think he's actually more and more attention is certainly not forgotten by many of us who. we're here on a daily basis and you have the u.n. special report here on torture is trying to see him academics around the country

hundreds of them have spoken out concerning his conditions of confinement we're seeing the amnesty international we're seeing a lot of people taking actions were clearly merely a corporate media of course united states is not ever do a very good job of reporting issues that challenge corporate power government power so that's that's where to overcome but the bradley many cases really raise a lot of people's consciousness about the treatment he's receiving the torture of are essentially a year and now of almost fully you know being in a solitary confinement situation we really start to see a bradley manning exception to the bill of rights where he's punished pretrial he's punished with a cool usual pardon now the commander in chief comes out and says he's guilty before he's invented right this is what's called undue command influence and it's enough reason to dismiss the case and if this thing that we're discussing it is sort of a failure is that the rule of law on the same day that we're talking about how the rule of law did not apply to the detainees in guantanamo bay and how many of the

folks there were kept in unfair conditions continue to be kept there an unfair additions and a very very flimsy evidence what's the larry as i guess do you see between manning's case and the plate at guantanamo and the broader implications for how folks perceive the united states internationally i think the perception i see is internationally is going downhill very quickly as far as human rights and criminal justice go we want on or detainees i always think there were detainees because there were some of these people me detained for arrest their lives but they were never tried and found guilty and but here they were punished and punished severely very much like rather manning is being done of course manning is a soldier a u.s. citizen and the guantanamo arrestees the were prisoners and in that. prisoner should be closed you know they're all from they have they don't have citizenship rights although in my view. they should be treated with that kind of protection and this is a you know we're seeing a failure of government and united states

a real corruption of government corruption the criminal justice system who wants some of our released today showed widespread problems with out who i really want on know how they are treating i don't want to know and how they stated one time we were very few people were misinformed greatly about are those cases just legal misinformed about bradley manning accusing him of being traitor we didn't sell government secrets to iran he didn't give governors around if he's guilty of what he's accused of he gave secrets low level secrets the american people so we can know better what our government is doing that's not true to me that's a patriot and frankly he has done a lot more than i think some of our own media here in the united states and exposing some of it's wrong killings thank you so much very timeless kevin zeese director of heart thank you come home america dot us and a member of the steering committee at the battle manning support why. thank you now still ahead here on our team one man's waste seems to be another man's treasure but this treasure is one that will leave india with a toxic legacy up next we'll show you where computers and other gadgets from

america go to die. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then something else some other part of it and realize that everything you saw. i'm sorry is a big. it's. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who made decisions to create. who can you trust no one. is you know you'll be with a global missionary see where we had it state controlled capitalism is called factual when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. instead only. the good old

supreme justice. i have the right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes that's. why i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. the world your world. and you know. now according to the wall street journal american spend one point two trillion that's with a t dollars annually for well things we don't really need pleasure boats jewelry booze gambling candy and gadgets and the american consumer appetite me fuel

thousands of jobs in the developing world but the payback can be a legacy of toxic pollution and computers and cell phones outlived their usefulness as artie's prius reader reports firms are getting around regulations and using countries like india as a dumping ground for their hazardous waste. it's the sound americans love to hear the sound of the latest laptop or the new was some studies show that these days the useful lifespan of a computer is only two years and every day americans dump their junk in the hope of keeping up with the joneses tallying up to a total of three million tons of electronic waste every year but where does it all go. welcome to ceylon pour a predominantly muslim mostly poverty stricken area of east l.a. where thousands of indians come to turn trash into what they see as a tiny treasure. and more of the economy my work is gone it's just managing down.

and that's how i make my living muhammad azzam is thirty two years old and has been tearing apart this trash for ten years in a d.v.d. good goods world for peace four hundred to five hundred split between friends and can sell the raw materials and make about a dollar a day unlike regular trash that can simply be tossed away in many developed countries including parts of the u.s. electronic waste must be sent to a special collection agency that is supposed to responsibly recycle the parts however while it can cost these agencies anywhere from fifteen to thirty dollars to properly recycle a computer they can actually make the same amount if they ship it to a developing country like india were eager buyers think they can turn a profit on the goods delhi is fast becoming one of the biggest the waste dumping sites in the world trash from developed countries comes here to india where those with few options for survival hope to cash in on this job and even though it's

illegal under the battle convention to ship hazardous material to india companies define the junk as second hand goods are mixed models to customs officials to get away with it many countries feel that they need the second hand computers because the feet of snow wheels offer. but what they get in exchange for that. rafi unger wall is the director of toxics link a group dedicated to protecting migrant workers from the dangers of electronic waste. exposing. it's a reality most of these workers know all too well but for them it's a dirty job at least for now gives them a means to survive i know what they do is not good for my head. or the joy of something or a horror that those with no choices are sometimes forced to accept either r.t.

new delhi india as we just saw it's no secret that americans love their gadgets whether it's the us i pad or three d. t.v. the thirst for technology is never quite quite but is this addiction a habit americans are likely to break their heart and this of the resident hit the streets of the big apple to find out. americans produce about three million tons of electronic waste every year and countries like india as the dumping ground so how many gadgets have you got this year this week let's talk about the bat is there gadget that you're lusting after right now as a g.p.s. but you are desperately yes if you have no way to track where you're going without it basically you know maps. were just not as good but i phone and did she already have a phone course what was wrong with that but she needed my phone was an i phone do

you have a cell phone now how long have you had it. twenty one months three months away from your. i know you're going to get a new phone you're going to stay with the old phone you phone you for most definitely most definitely what's wrong with your current phone. it doesn't do it of course stuff it was a story yesterday and it was almost a riot that broke out over to me. what do you think of that i think it's ridiculous actually why do you think americans are so i'll about their get it. done i shortened his pants i don't know many jackie. o. you guys you know i yes. i forgot. i had a big stoney t.v. that i could live for myself it's in the trash all right i have nice plasma t.v.'s on the wall take up no room so that trashed television is probably in a dump someplace in india polluting their environment are you ok with that i don't

think it's in india india is that we do we move things in there that's what we do you know i would i would have thought it was in my true feelings. area that the garbage the cleanliness and takeaway like you see these people are right here when they try to cause. every tourist type way through it ok if we just a were everyone's doing it someone jumps off a bridge the ok to do it too. i mean it is what it is we don't seem to care why is that you said because it's invisible it's you know should between here and somebody else's problems like a civil war in africa if you can't see it it's not really happening do you think people do care and just don't do anything about it they really don't care i think it's industry driven i think industry should create an infrastructure for taken aback because people. how would we get them to do that. would we get into that. political action interest like us. and maybe figure out some way to

make it profitable for him right it's always about the bottom line is the i think you just need loss for the bottom line is that millions of tons of just started gadgets are polluting your planet every year so please do think about that the next time you feel that gadget lust coming up. had a different version of gadget lust for just about anyhow and that doesn't for now for more on the stories we've covered please go to r.t. dot com slash usa and check out our you to page it's you tube dot com slash r t america and as always feel free to follow me on twitter as well it's absolutely confident of one word i'll see you right back here in a half an hour new website with twenty four seven live streaming newscasts what to do about it ongoing financial hardship unlimited free high quality videos for download. and stories you may never find.