china is a sort terrio but they don't have troubles country growing like gangbusters they do all these big infrastructure projects very efficient. so that may be part of the reason why the i.m.f. is predicting good fortune for china at the expense of u.s. economic dominance now amid dire warnings that the age of america is coming to an end we asked whether free market capitalism may be to blame. and unlocking the secrets of guantanamo bay imprisoning innocent people and keeping them aloft up in some cases based on faulty evidence uncovered control we can weeks reveals the ugly

truths behind this u.s. military prison. and as wiki leaks expose a secret after secret obama reveals his verdict for accused whistleblower bradley manning mr president whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. therefore doesn't seem to be the proper area just because it's a very or model or. disagreeable or throw balls on top of population. and because of that's the florida pastor best known for burning the koran ignites tension in america's muslim capital we'll take it to the center of the firestorm in dearborn michigan. good evening it's monday april twenty fifth five pm here in washington d.c. and lucy california of and you're watching our team. now a bombshell out today of the international monetary fund spelling the potential end

of the age of us economic dominance are now turning to the latest forecasts from the i.m.f. china is poised to overtake the u.s. economy in twenty sixteen just five years from now and much sooner than previously expected now the rise of china in a relative decline of the united states is one of the biggest stories of our time and the implications well they're visible nearly everywhere from shuttered factories in the midwest to soaring costs of oil and other commodities but if the end of america's economic hedge money is truly imminent what are the implications for the globe for free market capitalism during me now to explain how we got here and what the future has in store as paul craig roberts is a former reagan administration official and joins me right now from kalamazoo to florida dr roberts thank you so much for being here and we've known for quite a long time that china was supposed to overtake the u.s. economy so it's not completely news but i think the estimate those are the estimate that it's going to happen in five years i think is a little bit surprising especially considering the fact that just

a decade ago the u.s. economy was three times that of china what happened during the past ten years that brought us here and we can't lose discordia nerd you can really move to china you look improve cheap labor and chile move i'm sure when you move jobs i'm sure you move the gross domestic product for sure so essentially sure. crappy. wall street and american manufacturers move to large. the american economy to china and that's the main worry first actually you're saying that we have nobody to blame but ourselves but ourselves and that we should be surprised that we were at this point or the united states at this point. should not be surprised i think i've been saying this for for about ten years i'm not surprised now you served as the u.s. assistant secretary of the treasury under president reagan and i'm just curious on

a personal level what was the perception of china in those days i mean did you ever foresee even the rise of china and this current balance of power where there are discussions about china as a potential threat what were the more the discussions going on at that time well you see in those days the soviet union still existed and. we are not here but the new concert is called the end of history so china was a close economy as was india it was only after. the demise so well so that you knew in china are going to change mine opened its economy and the same thing happened in india and so all. of the first year of calculus. the large amounts of expensive labor they turned to this labor sure did their own work force and in order to lower cost to maximize profits. he spewed

reference the end of history and i want to bring up something that one of our reporters got for us today francis fukuyama. the famous economist was speaking in washington today of course he's best known for his book the end of history and the last man where he predicted that liberal democracies will essentially become the final form of government and we asked him whether he would give take back his assessment given the economic realities of today the financial crisis that the rise of china take a listen to what he had to say i don't think the financial crisis is a fundamental defect of liberalism it's a failure to regulate financial sector adequately with sufficient political will i think you could have avoided crisis any surprises there with a reaction. oh well i think he's the wrong about united states being a democracy it's an oligarchy that is ruled by a few very powerful interest groups. the democratic as fact is just

propaganda and what really goes on and so there isn't any liberal democracy here there isn't an oligarchy and it's the rule oligarchy skin their interests you can if you look at the performance of american economy over the last one two decades all the income gains have been for the very very rich the top one or two percent there's been no growth and income not the average american for ten twenty years and so we have an economy that works for the rich and it's your own by the rich has no relationships really out of the markers so dr roberts a question that comes to my mind than as has the experiment in a free market capitalism failed or is it that we've mismanaged that somehow i mean is there still hope for a free market capitalism could it be done in full sort of responsible way or do with live past us well it may work in china and russia. but i

think in the united states it's it's been captured and taken over by wall street and who oligarchy interested if you look at what really runs the country and it's not in any sense a liberal democracy that that is the propaganda that's what we hide behind while we oppress others in the name brain them. well at the end of the day it seems like we're the ones that are being oppressed by our own policies and are suffering those consequences i don't want to bring very quickly belum into military spending and so that's because we do continue to be number one in one area and that is of course the pentagon spending on our military industrial complex do we not learn any lessons from i don't know the british empire where we realize that hey spending money on military dominance if it's not backed up by economic us inferiority is not going to work out. as there's

a whole lot of embarrassment failed those who were extend themselves and who were reached and certainly their burden with six wars underway. or wars and occupations is overextended in the real danger i think we face with the clan of the united states is that they try to hold on to its tower and hold on to its hegemony through war and it does have mazing arsenal of nuclear weapons and i don't think you bruce through all the people in washington will easily. accept that they are coming at a second rate and you're trying to hold on to it and so i think the drive for judging me it is still very strong in washington could very easily lead to a major war in the twenty first century a very big war well definitely definitely something to keep an eye on especially as

our folks in washington return from their weekend weeklong break to a week long break next week for actually we're out of time to thank you so much for joining us that was former reagan administration official paul craig roberts. now another massive trove of documents obtained by wiki leaks reveals that the united states knowingly imprisoned scores of innocent men in the guantanamo bay prison the biggest story here is one that we probably already knew the information used to justify the years long detainment of many of the prisoners was often ludicrously spotty based on trivial details are unreliable testimony but the stories of those detained were brought vividly to life by the files some more heartbreaking like the eighty nine year old afghan villager an ailing farmer imprisoned for years or a fourteen year old boy who had been an innocent kidnap victim some of the prisoners were taken simply because they were a popular model of casio watches uses timers by al qaeda now one hundred seventy

two detainees remain in the cuban prison outside of the prosecution of u.s. courts or for the protection of u.s. courts or international law now earlier i spoke with scott horton contributing editor for harper's magazine and he told me why a prison that is so unpopular and so notorious like one ton i'm a bit a remains open today and who's pressuring it to close. i think we can step back and say these people were being held some of them under unconscionable circumstances and i think there was operation insurance both in the pentagon and in the white house if it turns out they're innocent that's a disaster where we tortured someone who was in the five hundred was just in jeopardy that person's and so i don't to to think damages and the united states and the reputation harmed us but man and i think when we look at somebody and how we're going and you really see a. brand grasping at straws to come up with easily they can

find it might justify the some there shouldn't be or. in fact the big push for closing guantanamo is not coming from america's adversaries in the world but for me from america's first this hour i can't stand you a hearing any italy for instance our nato allies who were very loud voice on the canadian. and you point to europe's that's what i think if we go back and we look. what launched the arab spring what's the fireworks behind this i think the word was think that it may be going to get the impact of or your other question will you chip in egypt for instance focus very heavily on the web and watch on m a if they were being attacked they would be saying we will provide and which going on to both of those country was i think i think they are. seeing as we

just imprisoned with are used by their own separate but nevertheless u.s. negative examples and we're in the back ground and i think that's what rock bottom of the french was before those of talk about i think the fear with the system the worst aspect one of the worst off that was aimed at power if the conditions there are spread or it were about six. oh the old bit and is still there. i was taught horton contributing editor for harper's magazine. now while much attention is being given to the latest wiki leaks files the soldier accused of releasing that data continues to languish behind bars after nearly eight months of solitary confinement at quantico army private first class bradley manning has been forced to move to supposedly a more humane the syllabi in texas but is this really the case and moreover why is our president presuming his guilt before trial joining me now for more is kevin

zeese he's director of come home america us and bradley manning support that works kevin thank you so much for being here. what happened to innocent until proven guilty i was very taken aback by the president's comments last week where he essentially said that he personally felt that bradley manning was killed in this case what does that mean to you and i was clearer by president obama it really causes serious problems in manning case i don't know if you're fair trial now the going to be the military court where the jury will hear but military officers were all need to respond in the words of the commander in chief i can imagine an officer sunny not guilty expect you know the kind of career after this so i think this is really great or for primary to have a fair trial a military yeah i mean how do you how do you presume that somebody will see innocence in a case where the commander in chief has already proclaimed killed one of the the

other question but i wanted to ask about a sort of the first loss of a focus on the case of bradley manning amid all of these wiki leaks revelations i mean it seems to me that bradley manning has done more than many of our own media publications in sort of exposing some of the wrongdoing that have come out from this is going to straighten previous administrations really sort of helping to first understand the limits of government rule why do you think first think bradley manning's case has been so forgotten well you know more and more attention certainly not forgotten. many of us who are working on a daily basis the u.n. the u.n. special report on torture is trying to see him academics around the country hundreds of them have spoken out concerning his conditions of confinement we're seeing the amnesty international receive a lot of you will taking actions were bradley manning the corporate media of course united states is not even do a very good job of reporting issues that challenge corporate power government power

so that's that's we had overcome but the bradley manning case has really raised a lot of people's consciousness about the treatment he's receiving the torture for sensually a year and now of almost fully you know being in a solitary confinement situation we really start to see a bradley manning exception to the bill of rights where he's punished pretrial is punishment cool util punishment now the commander in chief comes down says he's guilty of or even been tried this is what's called an do community for instance enough reason to dismiss the case and it is interesting that we're discussing these sort of failure is that the rule of law on a same day that we're talking about how the rule of law did not apply to the detainee everyone talking ok and how many of the folks there were kept and unfair conditions continue to be kept there an unfair additional been there very very flimsy evidence what's the lariat i guess do you see between manning's case and the plight of guantanamo and the broader implications for how folks perceive the united states internationally i have the perception i think internationally it's going

downhill very quickly as far as human rights and criminal justice go it wants on the detainees i always take that we're detainees and there are some of these people who may be painful risk their lives but they were never tried and found guilty and but yet they were punished and punished severely brain much like gravel manning is being done of course manning is a soldier a u.s. citizen and they want to animal a recipe for prisoners in and that their prisoners should be closed you know they're all from bad they don't have citizenship right. although in my view they should be treated with that kind of the protection this is you know we're seeing a failure of government in the united states a real corruption of government corruption the criminal justice system gone thomas released today showed widespread problems with how could anyone from the how they were treating us from guantanamo and how they stayed in guantanamo we were there and people were misinformed greatly about that those cases just like were

misinformed about bradley manning accusing him of being a traitor when he didn't sell government secrets to iran he didn't give their procedures for him if he's guilty of what he's accused of he gave secrets low level secrecy american people so we can know better what our government's doing is not for you to me that's a patriot and frankly he has done a lot more than i think some of our own media here in the united states and exposing some of the of wrongdoings thank you so much for the time i was having these director and john thank you have come home america dot us and a member of the steering committee at the bradley manning support network. now the florida pastor who sparked international violence and outrage for the burning of the koran and part of this weekend behind bars pastor terry jones had planned to protest in front of the country's largest mosque in dearborn michigan but with a night permit after local officials officials cited safety concerns and he refused to pay a one dollar bond and said that he may sue the city but he's still planning another protest this coming friday the time i thought it's

a whole hour to correspondent christine friends out just returned from dearborn michigan and shows us what life is like in a place where nearly half of the population is arab american. the. was the it is a tale of two worlds or at least two hemispheres and you could say this is where they meet for the turn sixty five dollars in the shade of the ford headquarters lies dearborn michigan it may be in the midwest. but it looks and sounds be much more like the middle east. because the old model with the largest muslim population not to mention the largest mosque in north america. on this day the mosque the islamic center of america is packed ethos of older people who are friends. the respect of the nearly

a thousand people from every religion have gathered joining together for a common cause to stand against this man florida pastor terry jones i believe the koran strictly followed can and does lead to terrorist activities many many people believe that around america but that's not why we're here why jones is here he says is to protest against radical islam and his actions which have in the past included holding the qur'an on trial and having a supporter burnet that attracted plenty of attention why are you doing here where i just don't seem to be the proper area just because it's a very low org board is that america has a very large. population on the day of the planned protests good friday in the christian tradition a game of waiting i just hope he sees unity and he decides to get back in his car his pickup truck on his horse or whatever and just get the hell outta here is we got the constitution is recalled is really really vague i mean i understand he has

a few more speech but we had the freedom of religion it has now been just about an hour from the planned protest was supposed to begin and still no sign of terry jones however there are more than one hundred residents of dearborn standing in the raid waiting hoping that if he doesn't arrive they can find some the message he's trying to spread ignorance. that's what he's trying to do he's a product of obviously living under a system that has provided him with no information about islam made him ignorant and therefore he's taking you know a stance that he's really not too clear on and in the midst of the crowds alone supporter are you on the same side as terry jones you believe that what he's doing is right yes he needs to learn everybody to radicalism you got say not all muslims are radical muslims you've made it clear i don't know what they're not getting this viewpoint ignites passion and tension to number one terrorist group is going on it's fight our democracies we're trying to establish on these countries but at the same want to be. it's all we know but terry jones never shows up but it was

disappointing because everybody was all here really and everybody but they gather. you know and all the other head. call because we're told we're going to have for this small city a microcosm of america. the people may only have to wait until the end of the week and terry jones plans to return to protest this time at city hall we're not afraid . that we can work together as a team as if it is one family a family whose greatest challenge may still be yet to come in dearborn michigan christine for our team. still ahead here on r t one man's junk seems to be another man's treasure but this treasure is one that could leave the tops up legacy especially in india up next we'll show you where computers another gadget problem america go to die. what drives the world the fear mongering used

by politicians who makes decisions to break through that sort of thinking who can you trust no one who hears you view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question morning. jim. now according to the wall street journal americans spend one point two trillion that's with a t dollars annually for well things we probably don't really need pleasure boats

jewelry booze gambling candy and of course gadgets now the american consumer appetite me fuel thousands of jobs in the developing world for payback can be a legacy of pollution especially when computers and cell phones outlived their usefulness but artie's priya sridhar reports firms are getting around regulations and using countries like india as a dumping ground for their hazardous waste. it's the sound americans love to hear the sound of the latest laptop or the new was some studies show that these days the useful life span of a computer is only two years and every day americans dump their junk in the hope of keeping up with the joneses telling up to a total of three million tons of electronic waste every year but where does it all go. welcome to see a long for a predominantly muslim mostly obvious tricky area of east l.a.

where thousands of indians come to trying trash into what they see as a tiny treasure. and one of the voters really going to test my new single. and that's how i know my living muhammad is honest thirty two years old and has been tearing apart this trash for ten years in a d.v.d. getting goods work for peace corps hundred to five hundred split between friends on can sell the raw materials and make about a dollar a day unlike regular trash that can simply be tossed away in many developed countries including parts of the u.s. electronic waste must be sent to a special collection agency that is supposed to responsibly recycle the parts however while it can cost these agencies anywhere from fifteen to thirty dollars to properly recycle a computer they can actually make the same amount if they ship it to a developing country like india were eager buyers think they can turn a profit on the goods deli is fast becoming one of the biggest anyway stumping

sites in the world of trash from developed countries comes here to india where those with few options for survival hope to cash in on this job and even though it's illegal under the basil convention to ship hazardous material to india companies to find the junk a second hand goods are mixed models to customs officials to get away with it many countries seem that they need the second hand computers because it's and it's no way of oh for. of course we could go in the country but what they get in exchange for that is through the truck rafi wall is the director of toxics a group dedicated to protecting migrant workers from the dangers of electronic waste and. putting. all kinds of a hazard it's a reality most of these workers know all too well but for them it's a dirty job at least for now gives them a means to survive i know what they. have

to do something or. those with no choices are sometimes forced to accept other r.t. new delhi india but as we just saw it's no secret that americans love their gadgets whether it's the us i pad three d. t.v. but thirst for technology seems to never quite be quenched. addiction to have americans are actually likely to break glory harvest of the resident dot net hit the streets to find out. americans produce about three million tons of electronic waste every year and countries like india end up as the dumping ground so how many gadgets have you bought this year this week let's talk about that is there gadget but you're lusting after a g.p.s. but you are desperately yes you have no way to track where you're going without it basically you know maps were gone as well just not as good but an i phone and she

already have a phone course what was wrong with that that she needed my phone was a. do you have a cell phone now how long have you had it. twenty one months three months away from your contract and i you're going to get a new phone you're going to stay with the old phone your phone your most definitely most definitely what's wrong with your current phone. it doesn't do it of course stuff i was at the apple store yesterday and it was almost a riot broke out over the. what do you think of that i think it's ridiculous actually why do you think americans are so all about their gadgets. and i shortened to sponsor. money jacket. you guys. you know i forgot what are you talking i had a big stony t.v. that i couldn't live with myself it's in the trash all right now i have a nice plasma t.v.

some war that take up no room so that chast television is probably in a dump someplace in india polluting their environment are you ok with that i don't think it's in india india is that we do we move things that india that's what we do know i would i would have thought it was in my town's. area to pay dumping garbage when it isn't fade away like you see these people do it right here when i drive because of. obeyed orders a table way so is it ok if we just say what everyone's doing it someone jumps off a bridge so ok to do it too now. i mean it is what it is we don't seem to care why is that. it's invisible it's you know should be twenty years somebody else is from such a civil war in africa if you can't see it it's not really happening do you think people do care and just don't do anything about it they really don't care i think it's industry driven i think industry should create an infrastructure for taken aback because people would react. how would we get them to do that. how would we

get them through that tunnel the reaction if you'd like us. and maybe figure out some way to make it profitable for him right it's always about the bottom line. i think you just need last little the bottom line is that millions of tons of just started gadgets are polluting your planet every year so please do think about that the next time you feel that gadget lust coming up. all right that does it for now for more on the stories we've covered please go to argue dot com slash usa and check out our you tube page it's you tube dot com fresh r.t. america and as always feel fully free to follow me on twitter as well as out lucy profit of one word please stick around for the alone a show in thirty minutes followed by vs then an.