in the low to show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mersey are going to live in washington d.c. now wiki leaks released a trove of information yet again and this time it details the cases of over seven hundred detainees past and present from guantanamo bay so explain the details in this league al have a debate to see if anyone out there still thinks this was grace was worth it that in afghanistan a massive jailbreak allows almost five hundred prisoners to escape many of whom are taliban commanders so many here at home are trying to determine how this happened

again we'll speak with a security contractor tim lynch about what's being said on the ground there and koran burning pastor terry jones took his calls to dearborn michigan this past week and christine was there and will bring us the latest on what actually did and what did not happen but according to the i.m.f. the age of america is coming to an end and china's economy is going to surpass the u.s. in just five years so we'll tell you why economists see that happening but more importantly is the u.s. ready for this major shift and all you're feeling the pain at the pump obama is working to find out why fry says are skyrocketing so discuss his investigation into oil speculation alex herman if this inquiry really solve anything we'll have details on all that and much more tonight but first let's move on to our top story . this week you takes has done it again this time the trove of documents released to international news outlets are classified files on more than seven hundred past

and present on ton of mostly detainees between two thousand and two and two thousand and nine the documents contain prisoners cesspits in terms of their risk also recommendations about whether they should continue to be held or be released and although we already knew. the bush administration knowingly held innocent people at the military facility these new details only add on to the lack of credibility the lack of humanity and the embarrassment that this is cause for the u.s. dozens of completely innocent people were sent to get him out or the reports from commanders that said no reason recorded for transfer hundreds were low level foot soldiers only about two hundred and twenty were assessed to be dangerous international terrorists but even the credibility of those statements are hard to tell as evidence was gathered through torture detainees who were considered to have psychotic illnesses by monitoring exercise habits as well of what kind of watches they were wearing and ongoing scientists greats but will america be able to move past it joining me to discuss it is jim hansen retired special operations master

sergeant and military blogger for black i've got nat and kevin zeese co-founder of voters for peace and executive director of come home america gentlemen i want to thank you both for joining me tonight now jim i'm going to start with you because i think there are some really embarrassing revelations here some things that make our intelligence just look amateur just full of shoddy look completely and humane but do you still think that get more was worth it even with these details that come out oh absolutely i think if anything the recent treasure trove of revelations from wiki leaks proves that the people we had in gitmo were considered a danger the vast majority of them were high risk and if you look at the people we've released look at the large numbers hundreds and hundreds that we released the recidivism rate is outrageous it's thirty percent plus are in the back on the battlefield or living in yemen leading al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and fighting us in afghanistan and iraq so i mean even the ones we let go are bad guys

the ones we still have a ridiculously bad guys and can stay in jail until we either convict them of a crime which i hope we do or through the end of the they can declare jihad off whenever they want to go to heaven i want you to chime in here i want your opinion do you think that these documents. made it very clear that we have a lot of bad guys or is it made it clear that we have fourteen year olds eighty nine year olds people that we were detaining just because they wore a specific type of watch that apparently was handed out in some bomb making sessions somewhere in afghanistan or that if they claim that they were a farmer of or cook our intelligence agencies thought that that was a typical al qaeda cover story. along i think you read the reports in the documents i'm not your guest. it really seems to me like you know you know your old guy was mentioned being held in guantanamo is not good for national security a fourteen year old same thing holding him for real you know because you have people from al-jazeera al-jazeera help because they want to know i'll just zero

work you know someone who was arrested by the taliban the taliban prison held in those days because i want to find out about how the taliban prisons were they tortured people there they brutalize and they treated like a subhuman and your guest want to you know recidivism rate which by the was exaggerated number but the but the point is you take people who are torture chamber torture them for years and released and you do you make a friend of them you're going to make enemies want to undermine u.s. national security and undermine the u.s. reputation around the world and it's created a quagmire for us we've tortured people there and then we can't close the place we can't repeal the trial we create a situation that's ongoing and i'm going under minding our nation and undermining our national security it's a mess it was a mess from day one when when she knew what we're seeing is the worst the worst they knew on day one they had about a third of the people there who weren't even criminals i think kevin has a good point i do have to ask is what do you think of the fact that if you torture somebody if you keep them locked up in a cell for i don't know let's say five years just because they had the same last

name a somebody you thought was a taliban commander turned out it was the wrong guy you don't think that would turn them against you know there are even details here in these documents from discussions of they had with killing sheikh muhammad the basically said the same thing that i don't like america's. it sees so i'm thinking of what i can do to make or change those policies and a lot of people would say that the way that we treat people at guantanamo bay has very much just helped fuel more more insurgents more to harness all around the world had a beef with us these people had a beef with us since back before desert storm you know the beef is ongoing and will never end until jihad is triumphant these people will have a beef with us the idea that we are somehow creating more jihadists by guantanamo than we're taking out of play by interrogating guys this place is famous fourteen year old omar kotter the canadian he killed an american special forces soldier he admitted he did it there's tons of proof he did he's not an innocent kid he was a killer he was fourteen his whole family is a collection of terrorists those are the people we have

a guantanamo took ok yes i'm the perfect example of someone who should be at guantanamo and first of all no one's ever been tortured kuantan i'm obey all right no one has been sworn borning is not orderly claim no new part of the you want to do is going to wait until it's time to let them sit through the you know good morning was going ok what do we know you can stand waterboarding that elsewhere all right i mean nobody else was ever waterboard we're not really going on the cia's prisons that were close previous to that the detention prisons and interrogation cells there was a sense that he was interrogated he would look intelligence that help to stop terrorist plots i had we not done that when we captured him we asked to take a step are there any terrorist plots coming up we should know about he's like yeah bunch of them would you tell us which ones they always like nope at that point are you going to find out or do we allow the yes i am that there is a nuclear weapon somewhere in europe at this that is really a fact larry of his own in law to know that nuclear weapon is going to go off i'm sorry really why would disagree. with this information verify where it is in order

let's go let's like have it in person or you know i got to tell you i mean your guest there is such a military of yours i did i google him you know before the show i couldn't run criticize the military in any way shape or form despite the massive work rhymes our country's going to despite the four thousand pictures of our soldiers. with afghanis civilians who are dead i mean despite the abu ghraib prison this guy just like apologized a little cherry yeah they have the beat with us you know why don't you with us we have military bases throughout the world we have a thousand more than a thousand military bases throughout the world many in the middle east and they have a people where it will be with us for supporting israel as they occupied out back palestine illegally they have a beef with us because we spent as much as the whole world combined on the military it's not just jihad that's the problem it's american empire that's the problem it's time for us to stop behaving like of a bully and start become part of the country of nations and if they're and there was definitely torture at guantanamo i suggest you start reading these files and point out the truth there was exactly expose a couple years ago

a separate sex section of guantanamo that was controlled by the cia used for torture and exactly these documents show the rigid visions increase in guantanamo in our leadership there are two groups there there were the military who ran the place and there was a cia and they they favored torture but the f.b.i. and the professional military law enforcement were there opposed to torture and they thought we get more accurate information more useful information by not torturing people the whole situation was torture putting people in cages and one in guantanamo bay that itself is torture just like bradley manning been kept in solitary for a year that is also torture i'm sure your guest would have to prove that as well later tried to ask why absolutely i think the whole point is he's dumbed down the definition of torture to any type of course of interrogation by torture causes lasting harm all right water boarding doesn't cause lasting harm i've been yesterday i've been water boarded i know probably there are tens of thousands of u.s. military personnel who've been waterboarding it does not cause lasting harm was it does is gel

a mind trick your mind into thinking you're drowning and you will tell people stuff if you know stuff people say torture doesn't work you don't want to work that somebody knows something they can tell you that you want to know doesn't torture also work to get somebody to say anything so they can stop their torture he said this is our you know so i don't like yeah i live in the. let me just make stuff up and that's what i mean and this isn't being made up because this is actually in these documents that come from u.s. officials where essentially they're saying that they're using these people that you know it became this cell within guantanamo bay itself where people have started ratting on each other in order to try as we might again i think intelligence gathering is the is that elegant rather that's i complain i want to live on i want to move on it really quickly in terms of what it means now for the future i think as we're looking back at the past there are still over one hundred people left a point of a fifty of which the obama administration has essentially deemed i'm trying all some of them are now going up for military commissions what do you think these documents mean for the future of that i mean can you really put proof behind

anything if it's clear that there was not a lot of evidence was not a lot of clear reasoning for many of these detainees to be there in the first place but the reason they're not being tried a lot is because they were tortured and because they were tortured we can't bring them to trial and so this is kind of catch twenty two that we're stuck with these people in prison for the rest of their lives they're not detainees or prisoners in prison to risk their lives because there's war on terrorism long wars and the last for a lot of these people lou and so it's creating a question were united states is going to undermine our security and you know undermine the station and you make it impossible for us to demand that. our people be treated humanely around the world now is a foreign country characters in american and treason like we should want to talk about what do we say when we say we're going to trial we don't really know too well all i'm holding we don't hold you mean what we say cooking and all food. will. i don't i have to wrap it up a clear this is i mean this is still the wizard there's no debate to me that this

is a wrong or that this is a horrible you know black mark on america's record when it comes to the way we conduct our foreign policy the way that we fight our wars i think it should make a lot of americans question you know what the rule of law and what justice really means in this country to this day but jam i guess there are people like you that still think that it's worth it i think you're crazy as i say tonight. now don't go anywhere we still have a lot more to talk about on tonight's show a massive jailbreak in afghanistan allowed nearly five hundred prisoners most the taliban to escape the ring the details on how the notions pulled it off and we'll speak with a contractor tim lynch got how this major moment is being discussed on the ground in chron burning pastor terry jones or his mission in dearborn michigan over the weekend archies christine was there and will bring us all the details on what did and what has happened. we heard her work.

we have a global nuclear safety ready for freedom. hey guys welcome to shelling tell me about a show we've heard are just tough to say on the topic now i want to hear audio just go out you seem to video responses on to twitter to reply to the questions elise hosts on you tube every monday and on the first day of the show the long response is. for. instance for.

fun to. get up sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lack of sleep you think you understand it and then he limps something else you hear sees some other part of it and realize everything is ok and you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. talk about a jail break nearly five hundred prisoners escaped from the sar process of person

in khandahar in the middle of the night on sunday most of them taliban fighters and one hundred of that believed to be taliban commanders now is how about has claimed responsibility for the operation they've also said that they were digging up for five months to create a tunnel out of the facility that only the barest meant since the exact same prison of the broken into in two thousand and eight where nearly one thousand prisoners escaped after which security had reportedly been beefed up but it's also something that the afghan government today claimed was a security disaster but that's progress ahead of the summer fighting months and the prospects for afghan takeover of security into jeopardy so what are people on the ground saying about it or earlier i caught up with him lynch a blogger and founder of free range international and considering that this has been big news here in the u.s. today i first asked him how quickly the word spread and where he's located in southern afghanistan. who he was aided. by this morning it was only to go to the local doctor but that's for sure now so far only about thirteen of the

nearly five hundred people that escaped have been recaptured if you listen to the afghan government they're already saying that this is a security disaster you're not far from from kandahar yourself there do you feel like your search area has been compromised now you know is there some fear in the area. you know not really. it's it's not like people are amused at the prison break happened again i mean this is a this is the second time since two thousand and eight and in the last time i was in kenya are buying our guest houses break under oath and suppose a president it was it was a canary living dead just a flood of guys the mission the. our neighborhood but but nobody was upon his sister's security threat most of the that they go mistreatment caliban at a job now for for months and months and months very much a. nice set a precedence. what if that really adds. go ahead.

just how bad things could be when we want to be incompetent something i mean it's ridiculous we've. i'm not sure how many tens of millions of dollars but we've had a justice program with jill house move through since one thousand two thousand and four we've had this recent i don't know how many hundreds of lawyers and prison guards it didn't work and correctional specialist and gleason who's in jail and always people are supposed to work with years kids you get these you kids illiterate idiot if i mean because they really do is get out of classes and said these judge you need to proceed with counterpoint and it's jibberish to be. seen anything that's what it's all about minutes it's goofy after so much money that there's probably consistent across the country well you're right in the first time

this happened back in two thousand and eight it was around one thousand prisoners actually got to escape after which they supposedly you know really beefed up the security of avery did this this prison there they refurbish state now the taliban of course they can always believe everything they say can we hear a lot of exaggerations in their press releases but they are claiming to know that the way that the keys to some of these prison cells were obtained was through friends making a lot of people think that perhaps some of these prison guards were in fact working out for the taliban so i mean once again does this really just pinpoint the problems that we're facing when it comes to wanting to transition and hand over the security to afghan command. without question and point to some serious problems because it is not as if there is not sounds of the kids in the security forces who are actually trying to do good a good there or in the face of this in the face of this the key to their problems

which are which are fundamentally about corruption it was he's a get this guys are to jail was money they got about a chill. decision to get that many guys through a three foot oh it's it's pretty impressive but it always comes down to it's a big going to change it's corruption and it's and then it could mean it it never stops. i was curious today president obama is meeting with his security team basically trying to discuss afghanistan and pakistan and what do you think you think if this is going to affect this timeline for withdrawal we're supposed to start the withdrawal began in the beginning of july general david petraeus has already told us that progress in afghanistan has been fragile and reversible and i feel like they would probably point to this plan as a reversal. but. it's one of the original color but i don't think it's lead back to the pace of withdrawal which was not. to begin with.

ok i've said before new show if there's going to be a big regional and. i bet you don't you will not be able to i don't know who's going to be going home but it will be. there's just but i just knew that because i can see they would say she's going to and there's no letter there when they call. term. years oh. i think it's going to affect the withdrawal but i don't think it was them which withdraw the group once yeah definitely express those years to us here before and you know considering of the president himself says that he hasn't gotten any kind of plan yet from picher a as i don't think anyone is expecting this to be a big with raul and now that you have hundreds more taliban. commander is even being let back out there i can imagine the fighting is only going to pick up i have one more question from tim it's a little off topic because it's about business today there was

a commission on wartime contracting had a hearing on capitol hill and they were going back to reporters they released in february they were essentially saying that congress needs to punish contractors more when it comes to fraud and abuse and really some bad behavior what do you think about that. absolutely agree. the contract the mechanism extract anything but financial penalties for poor performance very difficult outside the one narrow worthing built into most contracts it just doesn't seem to matter how a company performs on one and gives a billion process for another is divorced from their overall performance it's a matter of submitting this guy or a little book or a response or an artist so there's no question is going to be just don't question that there's a lot of things that have gone on the. record she looks hard would be a corrective action there's no question about it but we'll see if they actually

take some of that advice and start caring attempt thank you so much for joining us tonight. is no noise there but always a pleasure to be here thanks for having me. now as we're part of last week pastor terry jones took his message of islamophobia to dearborn michigan own one of the largest muslim american populations in the u.s. and as some of the town prepared for his arrival many were unsure what to expect archy's christine for his hour was in dearborn for the event and she brings us all the details from the weekend. on. the. it is a tale of two worlds or at least two hemispheres and you could say this is where they meet sixty years in the shade of the ford headquarters lies dearborn michigan it may be in the midwest. books and sounds be

much more like the middle east. with the with the largest muslim population not to mention the largest mosque in north america. on this day the mosque the islamic center of america is packed. it is possible for people to. respect. nearly a thousand people from every religion of gather joining together for a common cause to stand against this man florida pastor terry jones i believe the koran strictly followed can and does lead to terrorist activities many many people believe that around america but that's not why we're here why jones is here he says is to protest against radical islam and his actions which have in the past included holding the qur'an on trial and having a supporter burnet have attracted plenty of attention what are you doing here there are just it seems to be the proper area just because it's

a very low org board is that america has a very large. population on the day of the planned protests good friday in the christian tradition a game of waiting i just hope he sees unity and he decides to get back in his car his pickup truck on his horse or whatever and just get by how a lot here is we got a question the constitution is a recall is really really vague i mean i understand he has a few most speech but we had the funeral religion has now been just about an hour from the planned protest was supposed to begin and still no sign of terry jones however there are more than one hundred residents of dearborn fanning in the rain waiting hoping that if he doesn't arrive making friends in the message he's trying to spread ignorance that's what he's trying to do he's a product of obviously living under a system that has provided him with no information about islam made him ignorant and therefore he's taking a stance that he's really not too clear on and in the midst of the crowds alone supporter are you on the same side as terry jones you believe that what he's doing

is right yes he needs to learn everybody by radicalism you've got saying of all muslims the radical muslims he made it clear i don't know what they're not getting this viewpoint ignites passion and tension to number one terrorist group is going on it's fight our democracy. we're trying to establish on these countries this is a warning. it's all we know but terry jones never shows up but it was disappointing because everybody was all here really and everybody's but they gather. you know and i'll go ahead and call because we're going to have for this small city a microcosm of america. that people may only have to wait until the end of the week when terry jones plans to return to protest this time at city hall we're not afraid . that we can work together as a team as if it is one family a family whose greatest challenge may still be yet to come in dearborn michigan

christine for is now our t. . well joining me with more details is christine christine first of all i guess tell our audience what happened why did pastor terry jones get to hold this protest well there's a few different reasons but the number one reason is that he was in court when his protests were supposed to happen pastor jones was in court on thursday because he needed to get a permit and he was denied one they say where he wanted to have a protest in front of the mosque it was just not a convenient location it's surrounded by churches this was planned for good friday there's only one road for all these reasons they said it would be disturbance so they said you know you can still hold it is a free country you can only do it here at city hall at the library at a community center or in front of court and he said no i want to do it where i want to do it so court last from three thirty on thursday till six thirty pm on friday this protest was supposed to be at five pm so he ended up missing it due to being in court the court determined that he would likely incite violence and that's why they didn't give him the permit they said will make you pay a dollar for

a piece of bonds he wouldn't pay it went to jail it's interesting because you know we were having this discussion last week when he was supposed to hold a protest over free speech free speech is something that we consider to uphold in this country that's why pastor terry jones is allowed to say we want to save but you have designated free speech zones you can only you know perhaps protest during certain times and what i thought was really interesting as well was that one of the guests in your story here said that sure he may have the freedom of speech but we have the freedom of religion too and it's interesting to see that those don't always coincide that's a lot of times where the lines get glory these people i even spoke to dearborn attorneys who belong to this mosque and attorneys usually have kind of strong arguments with whatever side they're arguing but one guy said to me he can say what he wants as well as long as he doesn't hurt our feelings and that's where you get to some interesting points i mean between this or the westboro baptist church which as we know the supreme court ruled in favor of you're going to have your feelings

hurt a lot of time in this country people are going to say stuff. raising crazy that may seem hurtful but it's still the freedom of speech and that's where this line gets really find the a.c.l.u. has already promised to get involved in this case pastor jones as he will come out on friday he says this time you will protest in front of city hall but when it comes to free speech zones you've got to ask the question how free is free as definitely an interesting contradiction here too and i want to hear hopefully we can talk to more later in the week as i want to hear more about this town like you said one of the largest muslim populations in the u.s. is the largest are the largest population in the u.s. and i'm sure that there that's when really you see some differences and some of those blurring of the lines to you in terms of you know what hurts people's feelings and what they do understand from thanks so much for joining us absolutely now coming up tonight on fox news host is complaining about of going on a search that doesn't really exist so we're going to bring you all the details in tonight's cool time segment and i love has made a statement the bombshell dropped that china's economy could surpass the u.s.

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