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show long response is. like your voice. we're back to the last portion of our discussion tonight regarding the death of osama bin laden and i'm so joined by matthew dust policy analyst and director of middle east progress at the center for american progress and jordan secular director of international operations for the american center for law and justice now gentlemen i want to take a look at what's going on right now around the world if you look at the middle east you look at north african nations you look at the revolutions in tunisia and egypt and of course on one hand we hear so many cries of support for democracy here in the u.s. and then of course there is the fear that who's going to take over is going to be the muslim brotherhood if we arm the libyan rebels as well how many of them are all kind o. so what direction do you think the guy could go if we do continue to see revolutions moves towards but may or may not be democracy at some point how's that going to

play out for the u.s. or they can remember osama bin ladin and remember our war on terror and argentina as a guantanamo bay and is it going to backfire well i think it's clear that osama bin laden stock in a kind of stock more generally has dropped precipitously in the middle east i mean there was very little evidence of any support for their ideology. these demonstrators who were kind of talking much more of a patriotic legacy of the language of democracy and freedom but i think our our policy is that over the last ten years after nine eleven really haven't won us a lot of friends in the middle east i think that was president bush's freedom agenda which he promulgated and then kind of backed away from in the wake of hamas his victory in the west bank in the muslim brotherhood's victory in egyptian elections so i think we have an opportunity now to really try again and i think president obama has made some steps toward supporting the demonstrators and supporting reform but our relationships with a number of these different because. they're complicated zawahiri and yet you know

who actually. decried the killing of us now not a prime minister of the gaza strip called osama bin laden a warrior and you know just signed the new agreement with the palestinian story with fatah in cairo that would not have happened probably if you were part was there you know alone that i was on your show praising the young people taking the streets in egypt so i just want to point out that that's a new relationship to watch that hamas is in cairo that hamas is signing agreements in cairo and then today when there's some attention on them and islamic terrorism they start praising bin laden which doesn't you know make for doesn't make people have a good feeling about how they really should move forward for the united states or israel because one thing for them to start attacking israel it's another when you praise bin laden who is actually an enemy of the united states who's got you know thousands of americans blood on science so does that mean that obama want to just fall into that long line of american presidents and never get anywhere when it comes to you know i think we are in

a radically different situation now that's not to say that democracy is going to democracy is going to spring up tomorrow but i think that we're clearly on a course and this could go a number of different ways i think tunisia has in a much more positive place i think egypt a bit more complicated we've got the muslim brotherhood was very well organized and it seems to have been established a sort of alliance with the military we've got syria which is probably the most complicated situation we've got right now but i think the bottom line is here we miss is a time for really radically rethinking america's relationship with the peoples of this region not with the regimes not with the governments because i think when you say that yes it's true hosni mubarak would not have kind of sort of the deal between hamas and fatah but the fact is we now have a government in egypt that is not going to so rigidly enforced the red lines of the united states and i'm sure if the people of these nations are going to be able to so radically rethink their way to pay look at it i can find out because i hope i hope we do that by getting behind young people. and i think unfortunately have failed that in egypt to an extent that they were really driving these these.

protesters using social media and then boom we say well we're going to support elections in six months and that's going to spell probably no good news for those young people or for america and the second thing is that i do think this is an opportune president obama hit on it last night there for the most of the world to kind of say other than that you know it's. in the gaza strip to say you know what you know something lots of bad guy he's a bad muslim we don't like calling muslims and we're not going to cause some major uproar is maybe in some areas where he was more popular but outside of you know afghanistan pakistan the people are going to say yeah you know he's a bad guys a bad terrorist we're glad the united states killed him let's move on and i hope that happens but all of this still remains to be seen can we hope for any quicker movement when it comes to withdraw from afghanistan now that we got the bad guy that we supposedly went into afghanistan to get who turned out to be in pakistan how do you still explain a presence of one hundred thousand troops to afghanistan hamid karzai of course came out today and use this news is a reason to say that it's not terrorism doesn't live right here in afghanistan that

you need to go it doesn't live in the houses that you raid at night you know or the civilians that suffer i think there's clearly been a disagreement in tension with the obama administration over how we're proceeding in afghanistan whether the benefits to staying there and investing all these resources all this money all this attention justifies building a state isn't this the perfect moment to then for him to take charge for him to get out of yourself or as you had straight as he would have. just right at the moment that osama bin laden is killed and then let another radical elements of the taliban's take power start killing women you know i don't think that something. will for the united states to do and that would that would just be a knee jerk reaction is it a symbol that we can start moving forward i hope so i think all americans hope so conservatives and liberals and everybody else in between but to just say ok now we're done because we kill this guy in pakistan would be a dereliction of duty you know it's been it's been clear for a while that the mission in afghanistan has been detached from the mission against help. for some time that's not to say

a word with the goals are admirable but creating in afghanistan sure women are not abused were little girls can go to school the question is what can we really achieve and i think there are people who do looking at this a little bit more a little bit harder nosed way the administration i think the fact that we've got the law now gives them a bit more of a boost in these debates well in the meantime it's been nearly ten years and that why it doesn't seem like we've. achieved all that much yeah i just want to ask one last question to you is last night when this is going on a lot of people are saying that this means that obama has now sealed the deal when it comes to twenty twelve this is makes him an instant shoo in he's a winner because he got the number one bad guys that i would say if i got a phone call today for some poll about my approval barack obama probably say yes to and i'm not your family yeah yeah yeah i think it's reality right yeah i think that's the right thing i think our president stayed on course that he's been criticized by it from the left stayed on course got bin laden it's exciting it's a great day for america and i think if you get

a day the election will probably be more about the economy because it's been a while and though this is an important time right now if the economy turns out to be bad a year and a half from now it's going to be still tough but are americans finally going to get the economy and perhaps our war in afghanistan are linked i think clearly i think i would agree with gordon that the economy is going to be the main issue whether people are getting jobs or the need to put food on the table that's what's going to drive the election but i think getting bin ladin and i and i would disagree a little bit i think there was a clear shift in the focus away from afghanistan in focusing on putting pressure on al qaeda and generating the sort of intelligence that led to getting bin laden out but what this does i think at the very least is just a visceral claim that obama is weak that he's indecisive because this this this came about yesterday they keep getting the killing will slow a bit longer because of decisions brought obama made and that's the truth and i have to wrap it up i want to thank you very much for joining me tonight is definitely it's a big moment for the u.s. tenure. as in almost after the attacks of nine eleven osama bin laden has been

killed so i do want to see some pictures just because i feel like that's going to make me feel good and that is going to make me satisfied i don't love the fact that he was hanging out in a mansion the entire time i don't think anybody should for themselves and think that this means that our war on terror is over or that we're going to get any of our civil liberties back but it would be nice to at least hear more people you know make those calls when we when we do go out for the twelve election thank you very much. now still to come tonight we're going to call up the mainstream media for a few mistakes that they made while covering the osama bin ladin story that's tonight's told time and it's monday and this week we're going to start bringing you coffee hour five is that we are going to discuss the killing of osama bin ladin in terms of the media would argue for his release account enough and matt welch out of there in chief of reason magazine.

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our guys it's time for tonight's a tool time award and not going to tell you it goes with the mainstream media when news broke last night of president obama's going to address the nation real that osama bin laden was that while the networks and local news stations they started to scramble for a few hours the news media tried to inform the world the bin laden had been killed by navy seals in pakistan but during that time period the media became super a little bit sloppy with their reporting take a look at this from the local fox station in washington d.c. . president obama speaking from the east room of the bike house telling the nation and the world president obama is in fact dead it was a u.s. led strategic i'm sorry some a good luck it's just a strategic operation oh oh. yes president obama has been killed thomas had a little slip of the tongue on live t.v.

but it is something that happens to all of us at one point or another but then the confusion between osama and obama also caused problems for the local fox station in sacramento california their graphic read reports obama bin ladin and i was local media so you would hope you would expect that the major t.v. networks would you a better job but guess. fox news made this mistake numerous times. you can take a close straight if that were the case the fact that it would be. better but again would be that would make a difference we still are going to get a little bit about obama's that i don't care where there's. a lot of news there. oh god her although should never be allowed to anchor during breaking news coverage i thought it was something that we all knew at this point but when it comes to the story being posted online you would expect those errors to correct themselves wrong

again take a look at the headline from the a.b.c. news website they had two errors one read a.b.c. news special report reaction to obama bin laden's death and they also have sources tells a.b.c. news john karl that obama will be buried at sea the folks over the b.b.c. also got the terrorist leader confused with the leader of the free world he created a special section for to cover the death of obama now on twitter and the season or o'donnell also got her obama is on the names confused tweeted that obama had been shot and killed her jim jim had tweeted that osama was shot and killed not obama so those are just a few of the errors of the media made during the breaking news coverage and yes it's great news mistakes happen but this was a really bad time to make your as the and your b. for in all the recent budget cuts i think i mean that a lot of the t.v. networks decided that their copy of theirs were job position that could be cut bad and that's why the mainstream media is tonight's tool time winner for screwing up

the osama bin laden story with really really dumb mistakes. artist time for show and tell on tonight's program last time we told you the mega search engine google is stabbing in going to comes to patrolling for piracy by removing questionable sites from search results but this is an issue that search engines are really taking on themselves we want to know if you thought of this if this is a problem excuse me the google should be addressing so let's go to producer patrice in a sense here to find out what you have to say. if you already don't know a bit torrent is a protocol used to transfer files so with a method to pirate other people's stuff ok wait a minute if i were to say bit torrent three times really fast would i disappear from the internet or what if i posted my grandmother's copyrighted recipe for a killer cheesecake to this site if she complained does that mean that google would

take the side also of its ins and search ok it may not be as serious as a copyrighted song but a copyright is a copyright right so where do you draw that line after google made certain words related to piracy sides disappear from their instant search we wanted to know if you thought search engines should be able to censor piracy sites from their search results alpha told us on facebook no they shouldn't censor however if they plan on continuing this censorship there's plenty of other search engines out there alex can to narrow says google has a social obligation not to censor whatever it wants it's a matter of ethics but george disagree he says google should do would ever google wants provided google doesn't disguise it's in time sions and is a lawful well george i guess you didn't notice while google banned bit torrent it allowed a bit torrent client in china to remain that company was called sun lee which

google. only a four percent interest in so so much for good intentions if that's what happens when you let a company the size of google do whatever google wants to do. so is google protecting copyrights or school protecting its own interests what will happen if search engine start censoring whatever they feel like and where the government starts telling them what sites they want to shut down what a mess maybe some things are just better left alone as nishi told us on you tube with there are not search engines should censor sites specializing in piracy is a difficult question to answer because no matter what stand you take people will always find a way to pirate things if you have something to say let's hear it right here. thanks a tree so now here's our next topic of discussion for you at home what has caused the death of the impact of the killing of osama bin laden has had for people in the u.s. and around the world and president obama's line in today's news that justice has

been served we want to know what you think so give us your thoughts do you think that justice has been served with the death of osama bin laden you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows your response just might make it on air. all right so this week we're doing something new we've just been enjoying happy hour so much that we've got tuesday and friday are enough now we're going to start doing it every single day is joining me for howard happy hour tonight as our communities are losing and matt welch other in chief of reason magazine cheers thank you both for joining me this evening so i think you know there's a reason to drink on monday and it's time we're going to close out with osama still i mean whatever just make an osama hour today only a lot of show i was not valid. i wasn't you know i was of i can spend. well last

night when all of this was happening i was really just i don't know i was shocked by looking at the juxtaposition between the. way that t.v. news was moving versus twitter you know i went on twitter instantly and obama's going to give a speech about something that's probably going to go to some of the lawns dad whereas if you're watching t.v. which is supposed to be the breaking news exciting coverage it was like it was like somebody was torturing me when many would be giving a speech but we're not sure about what it's not about libya than ten minutes later i found out maybe it's about osama bin lot of twenty minutes later they can admit finally confirm that he's dead i mean it's incredible to me i think how quickly twitter moves in that sense just so useful to you i mean i was out at it with a friend at dinner and you know nothing on the television and we both checked our phones really something huge was happening and we end up making the guys turn on the t.v. in the restaurant and it's you know wolf blitzer sitting there saying something really big sabbat to happen it can't tell you what but it's really big so make sure

to tune in we what we find out you seconds later on twitter i mean just tell me wolf why didn't you tell me until you tell me the whole evening was a set up for obama to destroy the last vestiges of cable news anyone who sat in and then watched that like excruciating hour of space filler. so often wolf was saying you know i have my own suspicions i really do i have my ideas and thoughts but i'm not going to tell you because i'm responsible and you go to the next station and john king is what you stated clearly if you want me to do that you know i wonder why obama had to do this on a sunday night i you know it was already way almost eleven thirty by the president has some fight against evil carol and they have the white house correspondents dinner when celebrities are in town this is the one weekend when literally everybody in the press corps is just hammered and it really is the white house press corps has had the lead put on rights of the day is finished nothing's going to happen after two o'clock so you get to see what happens during those little free

moments of time for the white house press corps to get the drunk otherwise you're so cool that he did. to that letter to the interview with c.n.n. about his historic experience last night about how he was interrupted in the middle of the caps game to go down to the studio and talk about i got to put on the powder by himself because the makeup lady was going into the crowd then he's like i got an e-mail from white house officials saying that you were very responsible and congratulating me for that thanks buddy you're being preempted by the entire social media network but you know i can see this caisson and i think to get to you're not going to get your points i remember september eleventh like we all do to sort of sitting in bed in most catatonic state and the cable networks did a wonderful job at least some time remember and i want to go back and look you know almost but it was a breakthrough moment for cable news in many ways and i said d.c. was spot on ashley banfield you know whatever they were they were phenomenal moments and now we sort of see how much further we have gone and there's no way that we would take the breaking news thing without just obsessive lee clicking on twitter and learning so much more than we would ever know. it also says something

to the failure i think of mainstream media coverage of the time and yes i understand we don't have a lot of information the sort of have to there and speculate but the jingoism and the america patriotic talk that was coming out from c.n.n. and from fox news i'm going to see i mean i'm reminded me a lot more of what we saw in the ramp up to the war in iraq where you know it was all let's pat ourselves on the shoulders and not ask the bigger questions about what this actually means for the war on terror what this means for the erosion of civil liberties and a lot of the the things that your previous segment talked about and i thought that was a huge failure i mean i felt that i needed to go to twitter to find other sources of information because everyone was busy and i just plastering there trying to american flags on the networks and sort of focusing on the road without the questions well it wasn't just the media that was doing that in fact if you went to the white house last night there were it was crazy i live a couple of blocks away so i decided to check it out and there were people sprinting down the streets holding american flags everyone is screaming every car is doing the honking thing and i got down there and there are thousands of people

most of whom i also think were drunk and just kind of trickled over from the caps came a lot of college students but everyone singing you know usa usa god bless america i think that we might even have a clip here so let's take a look. was. our that was new york and washington d.c. what do you think i mean our show we obviously osama bin ladin is enemy number one of the united states but is it cool to go out and run around and scream usa usa and be happy when someone dies i mean i don't want to be the old fart in the room you know saying them. to to be fair to those twenty one year olds among us they've lived through one of the crappiest decades in a long long time i mean it's just been this lousy depressing economy such an

exception and this shadow was hung over everything and people their age they've known have gone off to war it's not been nice in a way they're blowing off steam but just on a personal level for me i get more euphoric when we see tens of millions of people get liberated from totalitarian tyranny rather than necessarily going to one guy getting a bill through that well if you think i mean let's say that maybe one day our war in iraq or our worn out and dad were to actually end are we going to see the same amount of people coming out on the streets and screaming and being happy or is that going to be like no one moment kind of thing i mean the beauty of events like this whether it's just symbolic or not is that yes it does allow the country to rally around some sort of point and unite but what i personally saw in my experience in a part of the white house was that it was not so much people getting together and rallying around some sort of monumental achievement it was a bunch of drunk literally drunk kids i mean i saw a sansa guy running around with an open bottle of alcohol you know they had these little kids who were running climbing up a little pole and the crowd would go from chanting usa usa to jump jump jump jump

jump so i don't know how much logical thinking there was like really good ok it's fair to say that the kids they were the white house were just as drunk as everybody on the media last guy or especially john king john last. there is already a movie in the works and this is actually this is by kathryn bigelow who did the hurt locker and it's about killing bin ladin and not about this specific you know it leads to going after him and actually got the job done but it was from a couple years ago when they were still trying to get him in afghanistan do you think is it just going to be now a number one hit list supposed to be the bad ending movie right where they didn't get bin laden suddenly they had their little hollywood ending serves them on a silver platter so you know it's a great hollywood even supposed to do when they got to hollywood ending and they didn't want one that's horrible well they're better put the thing in the can pretty soon before the story starts to change i mean i don't want to sound like i'm sure skeptical here but the family of tillman then just a lynch to tell you a thing or two about stories of some wonderful patriotic the first time around and

then in the light of day when we actually learn about events they start to look a little bit different and then for patients abroad too i mean is that really going to be a great p.r. move for the united states to come out with some sort of hollywood jingoistic film trumpeting the targeted assassination of someone who we can all agree is a bad guy but still is not necessarily a legal move i mean i just i don't know about how this is actually going to play out a product of well whatever if it gets maybe all life if you kind of fun to be the guy that is a salad with a lot of just the right do you think of those guys going to get the twenty five million that actually killed them i think i hope so i'm so right so it's a i've got to learn their names fortunately. thank you for joining me on our no monday happy hour this is going to get really dangerous have a feeling was that i'll be better if you are that's a pretty nice fellow thanks for tuning in make sure that you come back tomorrow and have the latest developments on osama bin laden's death and jim hansen all back new happy hour in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the lower show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any

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