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hello again and we're all come to the spotlight then see the show on our at c i'll bring up than today my guest in the studio is hans rights according to statistics about cost of the world's population who live in poverty that i guess is by your peers that it's governments and n.g.'s have been trying to find a way out that without much success so far for the organization called the grammy would create their black says it has a working model of eradicating poverty what's the solution we asked the founder of the grameen creative labs introducing the project in russia. the force of the grameen laptop convinced giving money to poor people and once eradicate poverty instead social businesses have a better chance the ideal social business was created by nobel prize winner

professor muhammad yunus is micro banks give small loans to countries on them so they can start businesses and the idea is being further developed by degree mean creative labs the lab is also cool people being involved in the process of making money rather than just receiving it the supporters of this idea see it's only. he would work in countries like bangladesh and india so maybe it's an idea that should be adopted in russia. who mr right said thank you very much for being with us well first of all on the third of october the nobel prize winner and founder of crimean bank dr mohammed yunus appeared in the simpsons well before he appeared on my show or spotlight but now in the simpsons does that mean especially the simpsons i mean of course that social business is becoming a trendy thing in the world at least it becomes a choice of stuff and this is all about the talk or if we do. you always try to do

the struggle to the child to the children's to the next generation explain it on the other level on the joyful level it's a good one and i'm looking forward to seeing you obviously you know the same thing as well ok well. professor yunus he told me a line about his business about his bank about how the idea every it all started in bangladesh you're a european you're in from germany i so how did you come to meet it how did you come to get interested in this what i would say specifically in the project here. i was lucky in my whole. life. first of all of the side very young to spend some time in india lift seven years in india and then come back and they opened different business and this business was quite successful and i got a new and enormous successful going company and during the way i getting more

closer and closer to corporate leadership cooperate management questions corporate social responsibility corporate responsibility and this strongly i was closer to the most interesting person lol in terms of. being professor yunus. nobel prize together with some crummy bank he was at germany and people asked me i can have ten days with certain ranged meetings with him and with the proper leaders of plumbing companies like from like from new york if you can be very convincing in a very grim get it definitely going to convince them to just bring them together and it was so touched we thought and make a decision it was forty four years old and. it's clear i want to have another career i need my money and it's a business and the most personal thing in it and they're going to close it was cement and become good friends and make a decision go back to bangladesh and those three months and i travel to one human

singletons ultimately ok so it wasn't originally you who went to india it was indeed the idea as you came to you and found you in germany something i'd like like we have a lot of just what you are doing right now in russia oh it was a big company russia was a big wish for myself ok now social business and actually actually ducked. you know he started by the idea of micro credit which which led to the creation of grameen bank now your social business what's the idea behind it and yet again like white christmas all things small people but work but it's a principle you can't you can see it like an eye for. well we're like on an i phone where you can have some apps on a single bill the concept of sort of does the comparison i think are for this gadget for the rich. and we should use technology for every one of us assembling all this talking but if you have once the framework everybody could put in

a social business so you can find what is a little business on seven principles and now everybody richer or poorer than the government or n.g.o.s can decide in the arms of a business so it's not only about microfinance you can solve any problems with it we saw some facts and figures about yourself just a couple of minutes ago as far as i understand back in one nine hundred ninety two you were up as a partner in natural shaft you know i like a forest farming company. in india you know what does this company organized on the principle start by a doctor you know also not who was surprised it was the same principles my friend we did it out of the desire to do something have a better interface with the meter so we both are coming from but we are in germany but somehow we are all farmers you know so what we want to do is to have a new and new interface there's an age so my friend tried to have

a new kind of farming every anymore and most of all come there was so frustrated me getting too much and moving we've lost something else and was so fascinated by the idea you can. every any moles of use all what you can imagine of all come to be part of some farm it's of your very successful. it's a great interesting project well i want to ask you a question that i did ask. you knew so well again and i'm going to probably pretty indian answer now and i want to and also from the european from more business point of view the low recovery rate in the in the green bank is is higher than ninety eight percent so it's incredible what makes screaming so for sure we see. instantly trust. the hope to do something for each other so i think they are working melton searching for used to go but officer your professor lucky

three hundred seventy students will start the whole study so it means they're really experience and at the end of the choice to concentrate on woman. you think it's probably one of the success of and women are having more. natural instinct if i take some money i give it back that's what you do something. my mother the same thing and grow blue your mother will do the same maybe our bills father will take some money and so you have a risk to get it back but our bills mother if they take the money think twice if they're taken because they're almost not to get them back. that his favorite favorite customers are women just because then and they take better care of family money. and the impact on the farm on the family is much more higher than the amount but men are not excluded men can come to the woman but the women are responsible person. governments and their charities also are not as efficient

and not as in the innovative yeah. as the private sector there they try but they can't be the private sector the inefficiency and efficiency but profit making is that is what business is about so how do you manage to persuade private companies to work in this social business because because according to what i read they they don't get any profit there they just they just lucky if they if they return with investing that's it but if you see you to any government or in the corporate world try and them want to nationalise and they all have a clear vision a vision statement they have all your behavior. and values and every one of them are in the board in the society and if the nation in will have a but the core corporate citizenship or corporate responsibility or corporate

social responsibility to what we all thought was a mistake both of those and i'm very clear if you simply how they are and you kind of do your work so normally the give around twenty seven million dollars away as a donation and the sherry cumin dollar. a one life plan if you invested in social business you not only can bring you money in it you can also bring your stuff in it you people and people you know complete want to make a meaning look on the money and to try and think of something interesting for them so so so we in russia are wrong when we think that that business that entrepreneurship is all that making profit i think we need at least two kinds of different business to look like we are as a human kind of be a movie dimensional in one way we're so sent out and sold fish and if you think i do business for myself i have a business to make money but same you and me we have a surplus but we also want to do something for others and it's

a moment of business to you only tell us one kind of business and what we have to see what. the what ever sector kind of business it's not about me it's about you i have funded big business to help other people i did business before i met william seem to have a good place but now i'm old enough and to say hey i do business now and my fun is to help other people is that is the reason for it only only they. are simple understanding that you can't eat more than you actually can eat is it that or something else i think it's more you want to make a meaning and we're not. money making robot machines so we're here to save our lives we're here and if i'm as i mentioned before i'm forty four years old and i see young children coming up in fourteen fifteen sixteen years and they want to do something in the world and that opened them the door and like and how you think the average age in haiti six thousand years is an island of children and i'm

a lucky father of three truckloads and i don't think i'm not only responsible for my children's we are responsible for every child on this planet so i hope the boss and business give the people. the heart the. business we get the dignity we give them the power because a lot of it is not says hans writes we will be back after we take a short break and continue this interview in less than ten minutes stay with us. twenty years ago largest country. to such a. janitor

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morning news today violence is once again flared up. and these are the images go girl he's been seeing from the streets of canada. trying to look for a shelter on the day. welcome back to spotlight i am now going over in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is a rights founder of the group mean creative mad mr writes i started this program

long fifteen minutes ago but by quoting one of my sources saying that almost half of the world's population live in poverty i just want to put a correction that is it is by european standards but by standards or is it by their own standards whereby by the standards of african countries asian countries but as far i know we take the figures about the income pyramid and we simply calculate poverty and access to money and thirty eight percent of the people have less than three dollars and then is what the people called poor and we have another one billion people who is extremely poor was around having access to one dollar but i often more use the frame to say people are getting very poor if that doesn't know what to have to eat but the same evening when you stand up and this is extremely

poverty and of course there's a lot of people who doesn't know what's done in sweden. and this is a shame because we produce so much of the goods in the world it's not necessary we have everything but but we need and trust the system doesn't include all the population do you find charity charity activity useful to eradicate poverty. it's one way we do. something really works we are for to be very clear to invest your money was smart and more clever if you give money a test maybe one so we try to invest your money so this is a business model behind the sorts of problems and then you get back to your money but the institution states so i think if your business now and you want to give something to the society social business is

a much more smart and clever way to do that let's see if people would choose money over opportunity spotlights one of the has this. there today i'll try to find out what people in the russell capital think first if they were in need to receive money i don't need you to earn it. i would prefer an opportunity to earn money because i would feel much better if i did something to make money instead of just getting it. i would prefer to earn money because i would feel better about it that way. i would like an opportunity to earn money because financial help is usually a random thing where is owning money is a constant so i would prefer to earn money because financial help will and sooner or later. one of the no no i will take money because my legs hurt and i can't work however if my health was ok i would like an opportunity to earn money because you

can make more money by working. please help me out i've got needed here to get a question parg yes. most. probably to this day. yes there because again i just want to add that mohamed you news said that he wants to create a museum have poverty by the year two thousand and thirty is that mean that by two thousand and thirty poverty become we will become a fact of history something you can see live in a museum. hopefully let's think about i think you'd be human kind have an enormous creativity in two thousand and thirteen just to remind you we will have another field of world cup is the possibles and russia will be in it will be have of the first time the world champion on football and it's possible if you put your if you put your effort in it if we as a human kind put all our creativity and our effort to say we don't accept

a single that us understands a resume that there's broad child growing up out of and we will achieve it what do you call in a necessarily death lie a lie like that if we if we talk about nature yes as far as i understand about. nine out of ten we're even more in ninety out of out of ninety one triples die i mean when they have war in iraq or this unnecessary deaths we are not the total human kind and we have a human kind of value you know since history to such a high value of something big from the nature of human kind it's our. and their true instinct to preserve any kind and i guess if you look too good of both of us a little and i think we are one of the few grease to also take care about the weakest you know we don't just glitz and gold across a week. we eat from the lion because sick will be taken care about to because we

have love and we have compassion towards and so it brings us on the top of the poorly on the nature what a great saying that we human kind we're different from from the animals but this is one of the reasons why the humans don't have a situation when ellie the strong survive everyone survives and end this the people for centuries have been divided into rich and the poor the mighty and the air and those that they have to take care of so this is the nature of the society so so you think this can be changed all the nature of humankind is full of compassion and full of life and full of things to come together in the during the lifetime we put a lot of negativity in our minds so we have a lot of examples of people our society like and value in other countries where people live together sawzall us peacefully but somehow trouble comes in our society

violence war all the stuff and remove the stuff we have to stop the multiplication . a life story short we are having a belief in mind why we not the year together to make our lives in a better quality and a truthful boy and try to help each other make the planet a little bit safer because we will be all of us challenge with the law of nature so we have to work together you present social business as the third way i do socialism there is capitalism work for the american economy but there also is social business do you believe that then social business is really the fusion of capitalism still socialist didn't work obviously but i believe we believe in capitalism and the things we capitalism have to be full of light and we need all of the beginning we need of this talk of difference business at the moment the whole

capital instance extremely substantive and full of ego you can fool of king we have to air in our economic world you can't and this is about socialists it's a want instant got us you and me year everybody of us have to it's power and we should cheer so it's more a question of how we complete it it's not then we have to work to stop it you you believe in capitalism but then tell me what is a profit guy because you do make profit or sentimental profit investors don't get any any so so you get the profit and you're not exactly a charity so when you put the profit the profit goes back to solve the problem look if we have we take to make profit every company we have to make profit to be so it's just plain above the next american or about an exponential in picked or the next bulb sites so a social business have to make profit but the profit in the company and it's getting reinvested to solve the problem for example if we want to solve the problem

of single mothers in russia and every single mother should have a good access who got the market. well you make maybe with a nice hold on the knot you know we have all the employed single mothers we created to make success we will be built like a ritz carlton the second one in a good one to go ahead so long of the problems of the do do do you have any specific the way you. said a couple words about about you or your business here and there in russia do you have a specific project that you're working on that you're trying to introduce in russia yes i think i have a that i would say i have a dream that i have a vision of what i can imagine doing something like say a sherman the russian social business started me in russia for the next generation to work with all the commitment to all the strangeness and the extremely.

extremely strong decisions to make from the russians and the engineering of germany to put together to create an social business in russia in germany and then together to help people in romania bulgaria having people helping him in belo in the neighboring ukraine and the german technology of the german heart and the russian strong will even keep together on shaping social business for the labor conference will be a great strength of the german hearts and the russian strong will and see the german strong will and the heart this though the more exact look i have so many experience with for example this russian artist i was russian performers were rationalisations i think in this way you are your soul you are russian spirituals you how strong you can work on of this to bring them together says we secretly with our stuff together we can shape a lot of good things in the world and people are afraid if they say all the

russians are coming how do russian how do russian russian business react to the idea of social and social business. it's crazy and something i guess is yes many people will say your reason for living in a round hole global stock but the german leaders like the b.s.f. company all of them are leaders company of the young company that understand it as it was something that logic and i'm sure if we have the opportunity to talk to the business leader in russia a business person understand very simplistic view of society. what kind of industry specifically do you think best fits the idea of social business best i can't i can't tell because in every business opportunity is an enormous knowledge and we can use any knowledge to transform it but motivational to have the creativity of the young people from russia the top talent and they are helping the

financial become this member to get some shape social business where it's sort of business and share it not only in russia i think russia have. the old saw the goods all over europe thank you thank you very much for being with us it was a real pleasure to talk to you in just a reminder that my years here in this studio today was right founder of the grameen creative labs and that's it for now from all of us we will be back with more for us than comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take care thank you thank you for was my.

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