could america survive without the income tax and all i could and sort of the culture until nine hundred twenty seven joining me tonight is none other than else we'll get off the radio some taxes mr dave champion to explain just how much better off we would be without the income tax. but wait. who's this when and why do you draw the same like the tree will answer that some night as well as explain what a ron paul presidency would mean for america then sit down with ron paul and sell for an exclusive take on voluntourism party nonviolent offenders and running for president we tried but we just couldn't pack any more freedom into this episode of

adam vs the man. i wasn't always a libertarian at least not in the proper sense it's pretty easy for anyone who's been not been raised into a corrupt political doctrine to realize that government does not exist to serve the people never has and probably never will it's pretty easy for anyone with a little common sense to see that government is based on force everything the government does from war to taxes to jailing peaceful people is based on the use or threat of violence it's pretty easy for anyone who's going to little common sense and desire to see humanity thrive that the world this kind of works better when individuals have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies when society

is not based on force dependency and we're not killing each other in large numbers when i returned from iraq i became truly returning a philosophical libertarian. a libertarian believes in the non-aggression principle that is it is always morally wrong to initiate force or violence against another human being who is not violating the rights of others no matter what the excuse the fancy law or the shiny bad it is always wrong a true libertarian believes in self ownership it's really an amazingly simple idea you own your self your body your mind you have the right to do what you want with your own body and you own the product of your labor when these principles are respected the only government you are left with is one that only uses force morally under that ideal there is no income tax and no drug war no foreign wars of aggression and you will never be forced to pay for the overspending of the

generation that went before you the human potential for creativity and cooperation and happiness is unleashed by contrast in today's america you are born into about forty five thousand dollars worth of debt you can't get a job without promising to give the government first dibs on your paycheck and you are more likely to be killed by a cop who by terrorist when i got back from iraq i got sick of delusional people saying we are the freest country on earth when we are the least free country on earth we don't have anywhere near a free market in this country a free market is based on voluntary interaction if we have been to the principles of liberty of liberty and say that initiating force against someone else is ok then i can just take what i want from you by force i may be better off in the short term which you clearly lose out in the situation as the victim of theft. individual taxation works the same way they come to you and say we're going to give you these

services whether you want them or not and then we're going to take however much of your money we can get away with in a free society you have to be convinced that it's in your best interest to give up your property the founders of this country took humanity's greatest elite forwards towards achieving the ideal of a free society with the declaration of independence and the constitution in which they tried to embody these principles today we must have the courage to ask if that experiment was a failure but maybe it doesn't matter because really you are only as free as the people around you have been convinced that your freedom is in their own best interest and it is the republic we know today might not last long enough to see that day but it will come as it is part of the inevitable march of human progress towards a society based on individual rights justice and harmony but if there's any chance

that this american experiment and minimalist government will survive let alone succeed and i'm not given up yet there is really only one hope for america president ron paul. joining me now to talk about how much better off this country could be without the income tax is a nationally syndicated radio host they have champion he has been an outspoken tax resister advocate of individual rights and author of the income tax shattering the myths he also happens to be the most requested guest at adam vs the man dot com dave thank you so much for joining us tonight. thank you appreciate having me all

right excellent so tell us about the income tax how destructive has it been on this country i want to be hard to overestimate the destructive nature of the income tax even the gentleman who debated in congress back in one thousand nine hundred twelve and i came thirteen talked about how it was going to destroy the privacy of the character of individual americans and indeed it has done that abundantly it is also grossly to the point of criminality misapplied by the united states government the income tax it is legit it is constitutional it just applies to an infinitesimally small percentage of the american population who are involved in specific activities and so to have a government that is run above misapplying probably misapplying attached to probably ninety seven percent of the public best destructive so why is it so necessary to resist at this point how do you recommend that people get started or educated on resisting the income tax. i don't think it's so much

a matter of resisting the income tax as it is understanding the income tax and following the law most americans were they've been born into an environment where the income tax existed and everyone they trusted and love their mom dad their grandparents their brothers or sisters have told them that if you want to earn some money you have to give some to the government that's the income tax and you can't beat city hall and that's really only because people are informed the first step that i would encourage people to take is to get informed obviously of a good bias but i think the best source from which to gain that information is income tax shelter and missed my book but then no matter what the source of the information is what somebody gets in for a bit and they understand what the income tax really is who is really limited to the con of the scale of the government is running on about how it works out there in the private sector they should if at all possible for them stop participating because that is

a positive step for really initiating liberty in this country now i know this is kind of a strange question here but just out of curiosity who are you supporting for president in two thousand and twelve day. absolutely ron paul like you i believe i'm not rich or a libertarian but i do very very much believe in the libertarian philosophy what it was ronald reagan said i'm paraphrasing the heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism and i consider myself a dyed in the world conservative and for me at this point as i look out there over the horizon ron paul is the only choice if we if we're going to return to a nation of liberty absolutely that's why i'm a libertarian republican actually happy to be supporting ron paul in the primary are there any other presidential candidates i mean ron paul has said he would abolish the income tax and replace it with nothing other any other candidates out there that you need that kind of confidence and getting rid of the income tax getting back to fiscal conservatism. oh absolutely not the only one that comes to

mind i think it would be an interesting take it would be ron paul for president and rand paul for advice for. now. but i see supporter remember that the president is not the legislative branch so although i support ron paul one thousand percent i do want to keep in the back of my mind and i hope others will as well that what we need to do if we want to end this force called the income tax we need to get people who are educated informed have the same philosophical beliefs that we do we need to get them into congress outstanding thanks so much for joining us dave that was radio host author and tax resister they've champion. so who is ron paul and why is he trying to save our country well he was born in one nine hundred thirty five and as

a child worked on the family dairy farm that high school he excelled in sports was student council president and met his current wife of fifty four years harold his head of gettysburg college and received a degree in biology before earning his m.d. from duke university working his way through school after his residency he served as a flight surgeon in the air force from one thousand nine hundred eighty three to sixty five and then in the air national guard from sixty five to sixty eight he moved to texas to train of steps and gynecology eventually delivering over four thousand babies and raising five children of his own ronald laurie randall senator you might have heard of them robert android when ron paul first ran for congress in a special election in one nine hundred seventy six carol warned him to be careful because she said he just might win and he did but lost only months later by less than three hundred votes he won the seat back in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and served until giving up his see through turner medicine full time in one thousand nine hundred four and one nine hundred eighty eight he was the libertarian

party nominee for president and in one nine hundred ninety six he was reelected to congress he does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program and returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the us treasury every year ron paul voted against the patriot act ron paul voted against regulating the internet he voted against the iraq war he's never voted to raise taxes has never voted for an unbalanced budget is never voted for federal research on going or ship and he has never voted to raise congressional pay in two thousand and eight he ran for the republican nomination for president and his campaign was the best thing to happen for freedom in america and at least my lifetime. this campaign had the most fervent grassroots support and it was more than just a dozen of us spammers in our parents' basements who were responsible for dozens of g.o.p. straw poll victories thousands of ron paul meet ups were formed many on college campuses eventually in the formation of the national organizations campaign for

liberty and young americans for living supporters also organized to historically unprecedented money bombs in which we were raised over four million dollars in one day and over six million dollars at the next he also received more campaign contributions from active duty service members than all other g.o.p. candidates put together since then he has won both the two thousand and ten and two thousand and eleven c. packed residential straw polls on february twenty first this year we the grassroots raised over seven hundred thousand dollars in a money bomb to convince ron paul to run for president in two thousand and twelve on april twenty sixth in iowa you formally announced the formation of an exploratory committee and is scheduled to participate in the first g.o.p. presidential debate in south carolina tomorrow and he said in an e-mail to supporters today the grassroots have been organizing a money bomb on the day of the debate and its success is crucial to my final decision our team will have a counter up at our new web site ron paul two thousand and twelve dot com for all

the world to see i hope you will help show them how strong we are and i hope you'll join me in donating tomorrow in support of the chemistry of dr ron paul and committing yourself to bring this country back to its core principles not to turn back the clock but usher in a new era of freedom and prosperity for america. when we come back we'll sit down with none other than the good doctor himself you'll be amazed to hear what he says about pardoning the nonviolent offenders as president talk about real freedom say to you're watching out of person the man. face. to. face.

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. i think. even funny well. we never got the says. safe get ready for freedom. but the back to adam vs the man on various sides of the joints of a at they were of the cannon house office building with none other than congressman dr ron paul congressman thanks so much to send out us this morning good to be with

you so you describe yourself as a volunteer for us can you tell us what that means for the big picture and what your ideal society would be as a volunteer as voluntary means no coersion so if you want to change people's habits or change the world you should do it by setting examples and trying to persuade people to do it you can use force only when somebody uses force against you so voluntary. use of information and then persuade. people i think is the best way to go and no matter what kind of problem you're looking at do you think we have a chance of achieving a society based on those ideals in america not soon we had a relative voluntary society you know in our early history but steadily even after the constitution was passed steadily it was undermined and it systematically grew it bruce certainly through the twentieth century that is the authoritarian approach which is the opposite it is the government tells us everything we can do and can't do and then it branches out not only into personal habits it goes into economic

figures and then they get bolder and start telling other people in other countries what they should do and should do so i think it's been steady in foreign policy it surely started a hundred and some years ago and wilson was terrible and all the presidents have endorsed that principle. and economically it really came to light during the depression they blamed the depression on capitalism in the gold standard which was completely false so therefore they justified this whole idea that what we need is an authoritarian government you know to regulate the economy and then of course they invented this weird approach of if we only had a federal reserve system to manipulate money and credit then we can use it to authoritative approach by central economic planning through the federal reserve of course the results of that is what we're seeing around the world today what do you think is the significance of our generation that seems to be much more inclined to

supporting you in your message in coming to power in the next ten twenty years and i haven't quite figured it out i think about a lot because it's a impressive when i go to the campus we get a large group of young people out every time they come to the office i always ask that question to him right got your interest up and it was on a campus where we first started chanting end the fed you know and i think it's a cop it's a combination of things i think young people tend to be more principled than those who have learned a little. the system and they like somebody from sticks on principle on and has precisely answers and that's attractive young people but i think other things happen too there's been an educational effort especially in economics you know in the last ten fifteen years along the lines of the austrian school of economics in caves in is and now is proven to be a failure so young people are saying hey maybe keynesianism isn't the correct case so i think it's an intellectual thing but i think the timing also has brought about these significant changes you know during the campaign before i talked about the

economic crisis that nobody quite understood was coming in and then the housing bubble burst and i think that gave us credibility and people concerned even those individuals on the receiving end say well we want more stuff from the government i think they're worried as much as young people who are thinking holy am i going to pay into social security for fifty years probably not good thing i might not even get a job cost of my gasoline's going up and why are we fighting these wars analysts late and i just turned eighteen and inherited forty five thousand dollars worth of debt yeah and there's there's no i think you know. i think the burden placed on the young people make them think about this those who don't think i guess you know ballgames and. whatever they do when they don't think about the issues and thinking that this is going to last forever they're not interested but a significant number of people the young people who are serious about what's happening i think are looking our way you were quoted in

a recent story in the telegraph the question is why does our government invite conspiracy theories all the time why don't they so a paper so what's your theory on that why does our government invite conspiracy theories all the time governments like secrecy. they're not you know whether it's the federal reserve or our foreign policy just think how many times i we've gone to war by distortion of the ever. and as you know and lie our way into war whether it was world war whether it was vietnam war or you know going into iraq i mean they have that you know deceive us. and then when the people distrust the government then any question government is called a conspiracy theory you know in a a doodad to say that you're not a moderate every there yes every everything is a conspiracy but i think the best thing is you should only believe the conspiracies that are true and have of course there's

a conspiracy of people getting together and thinking how are we going to manipulate the money supply but in the in the intellectual way those of us who think that we should have a different system you know we sit around talk so we conspire and write if necessary use the word loosely we can spiral how we're going to change the world and how we get more people to understand economics. but it's almost like why is the government so stupid if you don't like conspiracy theories why did they set the stage for speaking of conspiracies for freedom when i first started studying the monetary policy is that seem to me like there was a so down coming as the dollar collapses between those who want to move to a global flood currency and those of us who want freedom and want it's their policy and now just recently we had george soros with his meeting at bretton woods a several weeks ago and i go back to the eighty's when you started this championing the cause for sound money for getting away from the federal reserve system do you think that so down is coming any time soon i think the showdowns in evitable

because money doesn't last forever and it will but there's no way to know which month it will occur which year when i talked about a financial bubble before the housing bubble i didn't know it's what month it would be it could have been a year sooner and a year later the same way with the monetary crisis because here's a confidence factor in there as long as it seems like our dollar is working and there are still. taking our dollars china has been willing to take a lot of our dollars they've had well over a trillion dollars but they're not taking this amount they're shrinking their portfolio now of dollars so there's no panic and they may shrink that their portfolio slowly and quietly because they don't want to panic because if you panic out of the dollar the dollar crashes i think eventually there will come the end stages of a currency goes rapidly i think the best thing for the average person to look at will be prices with their grocery shopping is getting too expensive and how much it

cost to fill the tank to gas up how much it cost for their medical care and transportation these are the kind of things. and when it starts to lower their standard of living because there's salaries can't keep up that is the beginning of a serious serious crisis i think where they are now how rapidly it will move in the next twelve months or so i i can't say that but my my guess is that by november of next year the main topic won't be. the main topic is going to be how come i'm getting poorer and poorer and why it all straight rep a soft because they were too big to fail and why do they continue to make huge profits at the same time unemployment stays very high and people who lost their houses haven't gotten their houses back again i think it will still be a major issue next year ok so moving on to the campaign you're technically still an exploratory mode right but you're going to be at the presidential debate tomorrow night in south carolina do you ever get tired of explaining to neo cons that you're

setting the stage with the difference between a noninterventionist foreign policy and why an interventionist foreign policy is contrary to the ideals of freedom and i don't get tired of it because i anticipate is going to take a long time and somebody said you have to repeat the truth many many times before it'll be accepted but their ears are opening now more so i think already i notice a difference that. they're a better questions they're paying more attention to the economic theories in the and the foreign policy of the freedom movement and i think that is very very beneficial so our numbers are growing by leaps and bounds not only do we spread our message over the internet but also many television programs and even the main street media now is starting to ask the right question it's amazing how much we were disrespected in the way campaign and now at least they're getting taken much more seriously in the mainstream it's very exciting to see what's still left out of

someone a presidential polls it's frustrating. there's still those that are trying to deny you that place of contention but as president you are in the past been very supportive of ending the war on drugs that doesn't have a basis in the constitution but if you take office as president you're going to be presiding over a system where there are hundreds of thousands of people in jail for nonviolent crimes for drug related reasons many of them for marijuana possession which you pardon those nonviolent i mean you know if i would say yeah even the states are starting to do a bit of that because they can't build more prisons i mean i think we have more prisoners either first or second place in prisons around the world so if there's a new port of najaf i would at least if somebody is in prison in a federal prison for nonviolent drug usually he's never committed a hard crime yes they should be pardoned he should be let out. and. i think there's even a way and when you look at these prisons even those who deserve some prison why don't we use the you know the nonviolent people who committed serious fraud

problems and you still think they deserve serve a prison sentence we could probably do that with some type of house arrest with i'd like tronic surveillance because this prison is that's a big business and you know everybody thinks this is just great you know but no president could do that he could pardon people who have who are in prison for nonviolent use of drugs and some of them have actually. i use them for an additional part of persists you know they're taking marijuana when they're receiving cancer therapy that's that's that's really compassionate conservatism when they when they do that then you know the person should be able to make that choice at the very most states should have some or could have regulations maybe on news use of drugs with children. and that's the way alcohol issues i think. that's not perfect but we all know that drinking is legal there are certain ages that are allowed to drink and you should not and cannot you can't there are some

pretty stiff penalties if you currently kill somebody or cause a serious actors and you can go to prison for a long time and i think that's the way it should be. but but recreational use of drinking wine and doing things like that or using marijuana for medical reasons this is a good i think is a great example to talk about nullification because in a way california is not a fighting the federal going oh yeah they're just allowed by ignoring it with their medical marijuana for their getting out so the left should be as enthusiastic about knowledge occasionally states' rights and so you know so often if you're for states' rights and if you're for knowledge occasion you're a racist you know that they that's what they want to say but if the left wants to use it which they do in california you know in the left a lot of times we used the regulatory system because he's too often conservative republicans like national regulations so they only have to walk the washington in

all the different states for their regulations that may protect them so that they don't like that so the times i heard it was on the house floor you know ridicule the right and say what you guys prefer states rights you know male say what we need is state regulation when they're tougher than the federal government i mean a libertarian might argue against the regulations are talking about but a principle should be endorsed by both left and right well i hope as you go forward and get into debates with more and more of these neo. draft dodgers that you are my them that you are the candidate with the troops on your side thank you very much thank you good to be with you. we also had a chance today to ask the congressman about veterans for ron paul two thousand and twelve but it was just too much freedom to cram into this episode so we'll be posting that later tonight at adam vs the man dot com and to all my fellow veterans out there especially those of you who will be voting in the republican primary there is only one candidate out there who is demonstrate his commitment to honoring his oath to the constitution that you swore when you enlisted make sure you

continue to honor that oath for the first g.o.p. debate tomorrow we're having a money to make sure ron runs and to show the country the kind of support he has i hope he reminds those neo con chickenhawk draft dodgers that he's the candidate who's got the troops on his side join me in continuing to honor the oath that i sort of the us constitution when i enlisted by donating tomorrow at ron paul two thousand and twelve dot com that's our show pacer tune in to adam vs the man please check adam vs the man dot com to vote on guests and topics and find me on facebook and twitter as always you can email me adam adam vs the man dot com you can catch the broadcast knives that airs at our t.v. dot com slash usa and on you tube where these shows are now being cut up into individual segment clips and we're still having a really hard time keeping up with comments now but even coming we really appreciate the feedback this is adam kokesh from washington d.c. .