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global financial headlines. report. if if . oh i'm sorry no washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture president obama decides not to release the photos of osama bin laden's corpse in hopes of not endangering the lives of the remaining troops fighting overseas so what new criticism of the face in light of this tough decision plus details around even why this capture disclosed which are rather contradictory with mission reports this new information hurt the
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white house's credibility and bin laden may be gone but what about a platoon of men who followed it as united states need to put out an a.p.b. on the new leader of. bad news for those who want to see bin laden with a whole one as white house and it's not releasing the photos here as press secretary jay carney at today's white house briefing reading a transcript of an upcoming sixty minutes interview with president obama over why he decided not to release the photos. we discussed this internally keep in mind that we are absolutely certain that this was him we've done d.n.a. sampling and testing and so there is no doubt that we killed osama bin laden it is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in
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the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool that's not who we are. we don't trot out this stuff as trophies that's not who we are what jay carney just said right there strikes right to the heart of what george w. bush did to this country and what president obama is trying to change or bush was governor of texas he executed one hundred thirty one people no other governor ever came close to putting the switch on as many prisoners and bush did it with ease as in a two thousand three article entitled the texas clemency memos by ellenborough in the atlantic magazine pointed out governor bush frequently approved the executions based on only the most cursory briefings on the issues in dispute the words he didn't think twice about taking another man's life even when the guilt of that man might be in question and bush wore these executions as a badge of honor saying in
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a two thousand presidential debate i'm proud of the fact that we hold people accountable when the supreme court handed bush the presidency back in two thousand he brought this same brutality to the white house and in doing so in many ways our nation became more brutal and bloodthirsty that's why instead of resorting to interpol or black ops or surgical miller military operations to track down those responsible for nine eleven which went to war and what have maximum violence not a single ounce of bloodshed needed to be shed to get bin ladin after nine eleven afghanistan's leader mullah omar offered to capture him and hand him over to face trial twice but bush said no way each time he'd be working on that war against iraq ever since one nine hundred ninety eight when his brother jeb as defense secretary rumsfeld side the peen act argument calling for an invasion in one thousand nine hundred nine when bush told his biographer mickey herskowitz on the record that if he was elected he fully intended to be a war president in iraq because that was the best way to get political capital. and
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world history books we read about brutal military commanders who would post the heads of their vanquished enemies on post for everyone to see showing off their own brutality and today we refer to those people as barbarians but this is exactly what bush and bush brought from texas to the white house barbarism after we went into iraq and alas that away saddam hussein's two sons were to prove that we could be just as violent and brutal as saddam was by releasing the photos of the bullet ridden dead bodies we might as well have sawed their heads off and posted them on stakes in front of the white house that bush would have loved to show a picture of saddam's corpse to a new want the world to know how he had botched the ng in accidently decapitating and having to chase the ed rolling around the room of saddam hussein and all the while a small segment of the american people bought him blood lust can be contagious when
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al qaeda leader abu musaab car where he was killed in iraq in two thousand and six the bushies splayed out his body for photographers to get their shots in and those photos were plastered on the internet newspapers and cable news as in we can kill people too ed we do it with enthusiasm but president obama is not like president bush he doesn't have a history of executing people in fact his history is the opposite as a community organizer and law professor he teaches people and brings them together he's what's known as a statesman and no matter how terrible a criminal may be there's still a certain bit of respect that should be paid to the dead as something unsavory about rejoicing and celebrating the death of anyone even but a lot as john don famously said any man's death diminishes me because i am involved in mankind. yes we should be relieved that bin laden is gone yes it's
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a good thing for the world but the party heard over a man being shot in the head that is not who we are we are not who george w. bush tried to make us into we are not like al qaeda that kicked kidnaps an american like daniel pearl severus his head on the internet and rejoices over his death it's just not who we are and that's where president obama told us all friday we're involved in a hearts and minds struggle in the middle east and it depends on us not being like them and of course sarah palin disagrees she thinks we should be just like them to do that a show for the wise warning to others seeking america's destruction no pleasant around no drama no drama it's part of the mission comeuppance. we don't need to prove anything to. the united states of america this is especially important when the release of gruesome photos as if it were swaggering when we were
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swaggering braggarts can light off a powder keg in the middle east we are a constitutionally limited representative democratic republic if our representatives the people we elected to members of the house and senate intelligence committees have seen the proof in the photos that's enough beyond that there's no good reason why bin laden's death photos should be released releasing the photos wouldn't satisfy the death there is anyway they just say that they were pows photo shopped and the rest of us understand that we don't need to see the blood to get the picture in laden's death we don't need the trophies we did what we needed to do after ten long years now let's move on. coming up could president obama faces a huge backlash from the muslim community as a result of bin laden's death i'll talk with someone who believes so after the birth.
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the white house has really release new details about bin laden's death he was reportedly unarmed when seals raided the compound and shot and killed an initial reports that he used his wife as a human shield were untrue of the decision to kill bin laden so the taking of a live white house press secretary jay carney said there was concern that bin laden would oppose the capture operation and indeed he resisted after the body was definitively identified it was taken out of the north arabian sea placed in a white sheet and waited bag and slid into the waters about religious remarks were
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read so these new details pose a problem for the president my next guest says yes joining me now is bryan fischer director of issue analysis the american family association brian welcome. good to have you you said that the president of the united states barack obama has been running around the world blaming his problems and george w. bush and blaming his problems on america take a look at this this. maybe that this man is going all over the world blaming president bush and blaming america for all of our troubles with the islamic world this is a major p.r. problem for president obama and he does not even realize the size of the hole that he dug for himself and the size of the hole that he just fell into he complained all his problems on america brian. what are you talking about. president obama has
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made a career out of blaming president bush he's giving me one example or eric for our client to go and please give me one example i have her and settle this person over as you know when when president obama has been speaking been thinking to myself why doesn't he mention bush why isn't this out about what he has to the best of my knowledge never ever blamed bush for any can you give me one example. going to be nice if you gave president bush credit even acidosis one example of his book were leaning bush that you're right you're happy to consider works leadership and she recognized that president bush's actions contributed to the capture of the execution of bin ladin to be nice if president obama would do the same when did he blame bush. be nice of president obama give credit to president bush for his vigilance poor eight years when did he blame bush and when did he go around the world blaming america we don't go in there in the campaign if you remember where
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you want to. hurt somebody in cairo basically you're colonizing all over himself earlier than they were the apology was hampering leagues where they were in a panic just tommy campaign you can't tell me that because he didn't apologize for anything we were he campaigned on the promise that he was going to restore our standing in the muslim world and he can see overall we're not one hundred percent of the credit for executing what muslims believe referred to as the lion. and you hear me ok. you know muslim world in jerusalem saying today that president obama is a dog and dogs should be afraid to take out lions the lion is still the lion and vowed revenge on president obama not so i did see and cry on here to hear him say you're talking about is a long and muslims like there are some giant unified all we're talking about over a billion people only one muslim group for the best of my knowledge that's
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a mosque there pretty sketchy has has come out and condemned us for killing osama bin laden you know of others zero i mean this christmas this guy is islam was was representing hamas were not of the muslim this could be damning what this the mom said today that we've got to seek vengeance on president obama and i saw him what you were given a couple of hours i mean that the muslim voices were standing in nine eleven though don't you remember brian the day after nine eleven they held a candlelight vigil in tehran iran all around the muslim world people were holding vigils the after the united states when he came out it was assad bin laden you look at all mark came out and said to george w. bush i will have him arrested and turned over to a third country for trial we bush started sobbing and he said and then moammar came out and held another press conference that ok we will definitely give him to you now we don't even demand proof that he's guilty we'll simply now turn him over to a third country which said no we're going to have our wars. well you know i'm dizzy
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mom and jerusalem is not on there and a lot of other muslim voices calling for vengeance against the united states and vengeance against president obama in particular and i stand behind what president obama did here one hundred percent i think he was absolutely right simply going to see us navy seals and there he was an absolutely right to take osama out rather than capture him and take care of him and dump his body have seen everything he did was absolutely one hundred percent the right thing to do and i will back him to go on it's just two hours ago or three hours ago a man was a shootout with police in oklahoma he's a suspect in a pipe bombing of a muslim center in florida and he was apparently killed in the shoot out this kind of rhetoric saying that all muslims are somehow supportive of osama bin laden when no american muslim group has said that no to no american muslims come out and said that the vast majority of muslims around the world condemned him at the time and
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although they have condemned our wars against iraq afghanistan many some forces say saddam this osama bin laden was a crackpot who represented the tiny slice of islam i think we've got crackpots who represent tiny slices of christianity who are running around blowing up abortion clinics and murdering doctors it should we just look at all of them and say they're crackpots we'll deal with them like they are but i'm calm surprise that you support what president obama did here because he acted just like a cowboy bush this was a really good program but i don't recall any here any longer draining on any kind of the comments own standards remember president obama's that wanted pretty good this is a law enforcement issue we have to bear in these people we've got to do and now we have to give a lot he's going to give them a try and wade into a swat team do this to him and it took out osama bin ladin out. well you know i
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think you're making and i think you just made my point he. said ok it's law enforcement this guy's a criminal we're going to go and was watching and he did and he took them out brian thank you for being with us appreciate your ground law. so now that the celebrations around the country over bin laden's death are subsiding it's time to take a step back and look at what all this means for our future security after all there is a lot a lot more terrorists on the most wanted list who are looking for an opening to blow something up because brian basically does it and just because bin laden is gone doesn't mean the rest of these guys are just going to call it quits so even though the number one man on the most wanted terrorist list was snuffed out on sunday what do we have to do to make sure the others on that list don't carry on his legacy joining me now is cliff schecter author pundit political strategist a regular contributor to the huffington post cliff welcome thank you have thanks for having me and i think joining us thoughts on fun first of all actually you've
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written a piece about you know those out to get us. other countries have dealt with those to get them italy had the red brigades they even murdered the prime minister all the more stuff them in the trunk of a carney by yourself or whatever germany had the bottom line off gang the united kingdom england had the irish republican army they they didn't drop bombs on any of those countries drop bombs on other countries even though in every city one of these cases those groups were finding harbor refuge in other european countries they dealt with them by law enforcement the way that obama basically president obama just did with bin laden arguably i mean he's the military team sure but. what of what about these others that are out there to get us how should we be thinking of them how should we be was i think we have to think about dealing with them in a similar way look if we're talking about a broad obviously what we did in iraq has nothing to make us safer in fact it is more unsafe and we went into a country that had nothing to do with nine eleven in afghanistan the initial
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purpose i think is very you know i was in favor of it to go in and disrupt the taliban i was in favor of going bin laden but there's a point where after tora bora we were in finding due to take. back to a domestic level i think you know what i wrote my piece on the huffington post is look we still you know what bin laden may be gone but we still have many people targeting us here in this country and yet we still have this thing called the terror gap which allows anybody who is on our terror watch list to go and purchase an assault weapon explosives in fact senator frank lautenberg released a report that showed in two thousand and ten two hundred forty seven times when those in the on the terrorism watch list tried to buy guns or explosives they successfully did out of two seventy two that will give you a ninety ninety one percent success rate and they also showed i think was the number was fourteen hundred fifty three times between what was it very wary of two thousand and four and december of two thousand and ten and same thing ninety one
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percent clips again every ten guys are successfully getting weapons that can kill people in the right way and not only that we've had a number of terror incidents in this country since nine eleven and most of them have been white christian americans shooting at other people shooting sure but but you know question last weekend when i went to the white house correspondents' dinner. in order to get in the room with the president and his wife for an hour we did not have to go through a church or a porno scanner even though i september. we did not have to take our shoes off i didn't have to take my belt off there were ways as they look there are a person that was there was no skin no extremist pussyfooting around over there or what i do you know i came back from germany a couple weeks ago and and and i got to the thing and said you know me take my shoes off and the woman laughed and said we're not afraid i mean you know isn't it time for us to set aside the security theater the bush put together and and and and just look at some good serious police work that's exactly what i do that yes we
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need to look we've got a meeting intelligence assets we need to use them in many of these cases that you know a great case being needed al-hassan of the fort hood shooting we had a f.b.i. joint terrorism task force that was ongoing and yet we. still allowed him to go and buy weapons and kill people we know in many cases who these people are and so what we need to do as you would do with good police work is we need to go and make sure that these that there is a list those that are on a terrorist boxes let's face it they can't get on airplanes right now we're saying you are too dangerous to get on an airplane which we believe that you should also not be able to get yourself a god and people get explosives that just seems insane in a sane country right now probably post bin laden we know that there could be some people that could be coming after us we should handle his intelligently handle it with logic and reason and you know as you said as smart police actions can do what we need to do you wrote another piece of suggestible in fact the headline i think was that you have a giffords assassination was tragically sadly i think was the worry is predictable
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yes. isn't this piece of a piece of the whole even though that had nothing to do with islamic extremism of course it is of course because in that case you have another case where someone who obviously was having mental issues when he failed a drug a number of drug tests he could get in the army these are all things that if they were reported would have stopped him from getting a gun you know besides the terrorist watch list we've got a system right now i work i do consulting with a group called mayors against illegal guns chaired by mayor bloomberg and they're doing a tour around the country to fix gun checks and they say just to do this is not taking law abiding citizens guns away this is doing simple background checks at gun shows i mean we find that again and again we don't do anything about what over in those stories are just you know that you can go on no i mean an example john you know john patrick goodell from california who can't he is not allowed to buy guns in california because he is deemed to be mentally unfit his goes to nevada goes to show buys a gun from a private seller comes to the pentagon and start shooting you know this is this is
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the probably have in this country where you could have reasonable laws where people can get their hit you know law abiding citizen is going to go and still say this is insanity you know we don't we i mean i mean after moving by and people know what happened in mumbai all it took were a couple guys a couple teams going in with some cell phones and assault weapons you know and some explosives and they brought that city to its knees so we you know we need to be vigilant we'd be smart so of all the fear mongering in the old shoes and you know you can't bring the water through it at the airport but you can break through the baby formula and you know let's be smart intelligent about this and we can defeat this problem thank you very much. my pleasure and my humble opinion we really won't be safe in america we stop our stupid wars in muslim countries and stop our support for corrupt regimes around the world there's a reason why angry people around the world are not burning the flags of canada or offend one. speaking of war. our founders were very explicit about this james madison the father constitution in seven hundred ninety five wrote of
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all the enemies to public liberty war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises develops the germ of every other war as the parent of armies and from these precede death and taxes and armies. and deaths and taxes are they known instruments for ben armies or brain the many under the dominion of the few no nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continuous warfare and yet continuous warfare is essentially what george w. bush set us up for. alexander hamilton seven hundred ninety three this is the guy who wrote after the federalist papers he was the the secretary of treasury in the george washington illustration alexander hamilton seventy ninety three it is the providence and doing of the executive to preserve to the nation the blessings of peace executive course being the president the legislature alone can interrupt those plus scenes in other words ever war but place in the nation in a state of war james madison wrote
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a letter to his mentor thomas jefferson in seven hundred ninety eight james madison was saying if the constitution supposes what the history of all governments demonstrates that the executive and president is the branch of power most interested in war and most prone to it and it has accordingly with studied care best to the question of war in the legislature there was we're going to put this in the legislature where it can't be you know it takes a declaration of war and george orwell of course said when war becomes literally continuous this is in one thousand nine hundred four in his book it also ceases to be dangerous when war is continuous and eats up the surplus of consumable goods and it helps to prefer to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs this is the idea of perpetual war you'll recall from one thousand nine hundred four george orwell you know the famous saying of big brother. that famous saying actually here's george w.
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bush saying something very much like. we talk about you were talking about. it war is peace big brother's famous statement from eight hundred eighty four it's time for us to a say no more wars without a congressional declaration of war congressional declaration of war we haven't had one since world war two and b. we're going to stop the ones that were already here. crazy alert while the republicans are thanking george w. bush for killing osama bin laden average americans are instead turning their thanks to another man who had to be behind the killing jack bauer that's right kiefer sutherland the guy who plays the no holds barred torturing terrorist under jack power in the fox t.v. show twenty four has seen his twitter page explode with people thanking him for
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a job well done so little and responded yesterday by tweeting so now his real life is better than fiction the world is a safer place of course this could be oh president obama's best opportunity to silence the death there's abject our killed bin laden in a special episode of twenty four these guys will believe anything they see on phonics. coming out conservatives that asha meyer janie weinstein from the daily caller drive me when i stand as the lone liberal and i mean we grumble. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right.
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i think. either one well. we never got them that says they're very confused safe get ready because their freedom. get up some leisure see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then a limp something else you hear see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. see. it's fun.
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is beatable and funny well. whatever government says they're for keeping safe get ready because their freedom. about the big picture i'm tom hartman come. up in this half hour the white house says no releasing photos of slain extremist leader osama bin laden meanwhile right wingers continue to praise former president george bush for his capture or discuss these topics and more insights from good week from and later we all know fox so-called news has a habit of separating fact from fiction those who are distorting the image of the government but surprisingly it didn't start.
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