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welcome to crossfire thank you to all about the english language continues to flourish is it threatened other languages with one in three people speaking english does this promote western values and with the rise of asia english maintain its period position in the world. can. start. to discuss the language question i'm joined by robert phillips and in copenhagen he's professor emeritus at the copenhagen business school in paris we go to jump on the idea he's the author of the book don't speak english parlayed globish and in hong kong we have david wright all he is a distinguished visiting scholar at city university of hong kong and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk we can jump in anytime you want and jump oh i'd like to go to you you have a new i suppose

a language or policy language that you're introducing to the world and it's called global bush and how is it different from english and if you could for partly could you answer in globish for us oh there is english is even meant to be very correct english but it is where we currently flight it is a simplified form of ease with miss words you would say it's another fifteen thousand words and you know it's not easy surely that's way too much so we need to be mostly sure that we fifteen hundred words and the children of those words to david use of those words you can express all you need in the world for business purposes or as a tourist so it is in english light would steal a car it can be all right well give us an example given is example what it sounds like and what words you like to use go ahead. i mean when you're in egypt or you in english this is this is why don't you need being brought us in

these are good or worse is was like comprised of me and my siblings you might understand that if you are in if there were meant to be the or most people will not understand that so if you want to get on with your cause you can say this is our company top management you're the most going to have mostly me and the hurt you know my parents and you get the same message across the world are seem very to belong to my limited release and if it were not on you better so your heat hate in terms of understanding we tend i was better if you used nice kind of obligation ok robert if i can go to you in copenhagen is this just jibberish bad english. i think it's very clear that. when you are in the real world you obviously have to communicate as best you can i am worried by the idea that a simplified form of english like that. is in it's a bit like mcdonald is ation it's a package version which apparently will give you the satisfaction that you need

whereas in the real world. people don't really function like that they negotiate meaning they try to get through and as an educational goal i think they need to be exposed to relinquish as it is used in a whole range of contexts so i'm a bit worried that this is a quick fix in some way whereas learning english you have to be culturally sensitive depending on who you're speaking to which part of the world you are what your goals are it's a much more complex task then then what globish claims to be capable of achieving ok david i mean it's a very good point you know the mcdonnell ization of english but that's the trend in the world that everything's getting began allies i think john paul's point is that you know if you want to be able to communicate and communicate as best you can and i think if i'm i should we make it clear i should make it clear to my audience here . this is a this is a kind of quasi language of non-native speakers speaking to each other like danes speaking to japanese japanese speaking to koreans and things like that it's not

really actually doesn't have anything to do with needed speakers of english i am. partly with both robert and john paul here and i think this is not really so much a question of mcdonald eyes ocean as the struggle to communicate in the real world by people who go actually have a lot of english but i think it's quite right john paul is actually on to something here and saying that people need some guidance as to how to best ploy the limited resources of the language they have to communicate clearly and this is actually something which perhaps native speakers need to learn about as well so it's not entirely just a matter for non-native speakers ok i'll jump all in if then why not just learn english i think i'm going online like robert was saying and if you want to use english want you to speak it properly. but we should make clear that there are auditions b.r.d. will be two kinds of the english which gives you access to the culture of the anglo-saxon gursharan which is immense very each outstanding grain from shakespeare

conduct wayne and if you like bill gates so this is very true and if you want to enjoy it if you want to read it we should all use content you need to re an english which for a person like me is a lifetime if not if you want to close a deal in must call or book you'll see all. if you speak laypeople speak in venice to excess must be local people will not understand you and this is no use their vision when i went to japan in one thousand nine hundred ninety four does business decisions i observe some americans are joining me from my team and i was a vice president with i.b.m. usa then and i observed that the japanese there and then the koreans and sooner and the chinese in beijing i told the far east where much better are he's with me and. better than what i could observe between them and americans and that's why i said we thought we were speaking english we are not we are speaking a different kind of language they something different so we've got this great start

going to italy. this is concerned internationally he's not and we've given you had or the i did to meet wrote the report for the british council which i quite extensively in my book and indeed people there are many scenes which are worse quoting here one of them is that in ninety six percent of the cases in international communication there is. no native english speaker who is involved and it's up to you native english speakers to adjust to the river of this person or not be as good in worshipping as least because they can we could be ok example i mean i could agree with you maybe if you're talking about your childhood or buying a ticket to the train station or ordering in a restaurant or something like that. you bring a business i mean most businesses you have contracts and you have very specific laws and clauses and things like that this this language can't work without it i'm going to robert on that i mean it's for chit chat it's just to get you know get

through something if it's something you wouldn't sign a contract loudly using this kind of language it's too imprecise i mean it has nothing to do with english as a school subject we're trying to equip people to function in a range of ways and i want one of things that worries me about the whole promotion of different types of english worldwide is that the assumption morris is that the only language you need worldwide these days is english you don't get far with english in latin america or even in southern europe or in most of asia so that when for instance danish companies are asked why they have failed to achieve a business deal in japan or in italy they tend to say always because they don't speak english well enough there whereas what companies ought to be doing in order to trade with japan and italy is to have enough people in their country who can actually function well and understand the culture as well as the language of japan or korea or or italy so that so far as education is concerned it's

a totally different ballgame and i agree really with the mystical bell here that the that the idea that you can do complex negotiations with a simplified register is misleading ok john paul you were shaking your head you disagree go ahead. i'm sorry i think. illustration because i'm not a native english speaker as you might have already and well but so wonderful are you saying you have this british from countries. go to me go ahead you know so i could there are many people who do that as far as contracts are concerned you have lawyers experience that can have equal parts and concentrate them from american into english to begin with from including u.k. english so that you have to do when you're legal cheating where you're through. what he got from also your products or your services understand the needs of your customer and you don't need a full english for that you can you can do it with limited english providing you four or new girl rules you he formulated you use sentences and you check that your

people in front of you are understanding you which most native english speakers don't think they should do and then and learning a foreign language to do business in d.c. in a foreign land is valid in only one instance if you are living in these foreign lands or used to be here you know your forces for it would have been many so as soon as they are saying frenchman two hundred company that is their lands he was expected to be able to run and keep pushing for months so you had to pick a guy who spoke already german and english and in four months he was you know to discuss. hourly in english not in his announcement in the country they don't know that that's true but when you are discussing international business you need who are understood that the war way language it was going to be some kind of india and there would be no step back because well for the first. part i have my mean time in here take a jump here and go to david here why don't you put the shoe on the other foot i

mean should native speakers of english maybe delve into this because it'll it'll make it easier for them to communicate with people and then i'm saying just for a limited purposes if you want to go travel around the world as we just it was pointed out in some places and in europe in asia and in south america there's very limited english wouldn't be a bad idea for a native speaker say take a real short course in that and you could get by a lot easier. i'm not i'm all in favor of native speakers being taught how to use their language in a more effective ways when talking to non-native speakers i don't think it actually needs to sort of to learn us up an english light a special kind of english i think it's more about strategies and principles old fellow using the language that you already know but i think that we are talking about different things here i think that i agree a highly with with robert on this that for ordinary service encounters just doing business so the low level then find some kind of english like work but that's not

how the global economy works i'm increasingly you have multinational companies for example working in a number of different countries you have research ers technicians and so on who have to work as a global team and communicating with very high level about their subject within their team across the world and that really does mean look everyone has to show a very high level of english i only jump in right here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on what some people called imperialism see with r.t. . if you still . keep in touch with the same. a cluster munitions. and inside the container you have a small bomb and you can have anywhere from dozens up to hundreds of there's

a huge market right now for battle area clearance because there are a lot of countries in the world that are contaminated by unexploded ordnance. and so you've got these companies and n.g.o.s and it's basically shrunk that have an expertise to get rid of these weapons what they do is they go to these places they will hire local train the locals how to do the clearance they'll let the locals basically take ownership because you know they have a vested interest in clearing their homes and they're putting themselves at risk every single day when they go out there to clear areas of the. big.

wealthy british soil. sometimes right. the markets. find out what's really happening to the global economy for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines to cause a report on our team. and if you. still. want to. welcome back to cross talk i'm peter lugo remind you we're talking about global languages. and you can see. but before let's see what foreign languages are most popular among russians. global language over the years has inarguably global status being

a language of business culture and diplomacy however english is not the only language used for international relations and poorly cations the united nations program or has six official languages arabic chinese english french russian and spanish the public opinion polynesian assessed russians knowledge of foreign languages six to seven percent said they speak english twenty percent german and another five percent can speak french though english today has a dominant position other languages are taking a stand so what plank which will the world speak in future and will we all ever speak the same language peter. paul if i go back to you first one of the things i think is interesting is that you actually kind of a little maybe correct me if i'm wrong kind of a linguistic nationalist yourself you you want to preserve good french ok how do

you balance it with globalization and being someone that really is a a connoisseur of the french language where people in france used to be very proud because. of the promise he can name and at least you have your say which was mostly useless in english and then from there on. use a pretty and people who are very happy about it it was he praised by english for each and every proposed wrongness and this would be no turn back because english is now our language which is going around the world not very well i've been very poorly even for researchers or people who seem to add highly very but it is the language we use but when you see the common vehicle for international communication and we newstead back because for the first time in history. the language is war wide and the communication is instantaneous these never happened in the roman times where like you know he where a community killer on the get there on the end would know this is the case so that

we can look down back and when the french people are desperate about the situation they are wrong french we never get back where didn't and as i used to say many years ago if you're listening we could do about it now he's beaten the actions this is finished and easily be there but if we're going to. do it we are being spoken poorly. and by other people like that and they seem to think it's a very interesting point if i go to robert on this one here i mean if we look at people at the impact of the internet on english and you know and you can go to so many websites that purportedly are in english but they're in awful english there's a grammar is awful the spelling is awful the word choice is awful to syntax is awful but what is stopping this inane and really we had agreed with you before before you know why don't you just learn proper english while the world is this way ahead of us here i mean they're going to use english anyway they want so i mean what direction we go in or can we just can we control it in any way probably not.

the internet when it was launched meant that a lot of people thought that this would mean that english would expand at the expense of other languages in fact there are hundreds of languages used on the internet even very small ones demographically speaking and this means that obviously it makes a lot of sense in the modern world for anyone to want to have a very high level of proficiency in english the interesting thing for me at least when researching language policy is whether english is being added to people's repertoire which is great or else where the english is replacing other languages and this is where you mentioned the word imperialism obviously under the soviet system the people of the three baltic states knew what linguistic imperialism was because bilingualism then was a dirty word for basically dropping their own language and shifting into russian and that's exactly what happened in a lot of the colonial world where there was definitely

a major focus on colonial languages like like french and english and english does open lots of boards worldwide but one also needs to look at every particular context and see to what extent it actually closes doors for a large number of people while opening for the few david what do you think about that i mean we call it the imperialism element that i mentioned at the end of the first part of the program i mean it for all of the learning of languages in english is the most predominant one now we'll talk about it later if it's going to stay that way we have to think of a child of the chinese but i mean is it is it just is is is there's a destroy language is that replacing languages because in talking to some of my you know people who work on cross talk you know. even when they speak russian the russian english is invading their language and they're in russian you know in a working with me and it's all a mixture of speaking of variety of languages even when two of them are throwing in french at the same time i mean is this good or does it or does it matter. what you

know i find it very difficult to pick solitary worked up about the one who just look at how the english language came to being at the sort of mongrel language that we have any way really sort of her own preaching purity i think that it is true and i absolutely agree with robert that you have to look at particular situations this is a very dangerous area in which to generalize just because there appear to be these big global trends going on that doesn't mean that actually the situation and different countries is not very different particularly in terms of where the languages are actually being injured or perhaps i mean there's an argument to say here in hong kong but the role of english in hong kong is actually helping protect cantonese as a sort of a bias to root against encroaching put on by mandarin ok john paul if i can go to you a lot of people in and i want to go into a big discussion here but it is easier if it is global value free does it have any values because we there's a large

a great argument in linguistics that you know it will take being which language for example has a lot of built in values in a and and a world view and how to look at values in society it is global. or is it completely devoid of any kind of value in terms of having values. well. being what i call english you know far enough in leash now the value of being in f. and was nice and i do will say you can say it was easy you want freezers a to clear president obama's inauguration speech because you don't know websites and put it in english and say exactly the same thing but we think we're heard somewhere into g.q. still ten times more people would have to stand it now to know gratian speech is for americans but nonetheless they are people outside who would like to listen to it and it isn't what he says without any consideration which is always distorting the meaning so devalue is that it is efficient it is not a language and also its own weight it is a tool it's a tool to communicate and use

a tool to make business and inventive type it is enough but it doesn't carry the values of the anglo-saxon culture exam qaeda values of democracy doesn't care you know it over there used this is not the gold to go there is a simple tool that will make it efficient and right away people who speak good enough english don't have to talk to people like you do and they mean it in a d.v.d. very seldom speak with people who don't speak with english because those who aren't who don't they dare not speak the native english speakers what do you think about that robert i mean is it isn't as i'm glad. i'm a bit puzzled by that because i think that immigrants like myself i live in denmark although english is my mother tongue i mean i use four languages every week all the time and clearly once you have learnt several languages there are vast advantages but to go back to your point about whether globish is intrinsically impregnated with the cultural values which english has evolved during its development over

fifteen hundred years well i think i would say that very clearly english spread worldwide because of the british empire because of the colonization of america and australia and so on and so this means that the idea that any language can be culturally neutral depends entirely on context any language can serve either good or evil purposes but a lot of the thrust behind global english at the moment is connected with globalisation with americanization and with consumerist values so in that sense very definitely just as young players just said. she's connected with commerce and this commerce at the moment is dominated by american interests and other european and japanese another conglomerates where the chinese of bought into the same game and who knows where the chinese are taking us ok well i'm glad that's a good point here david what do you think i mean when we're talking about how the english language is evolving and you mentioned how it is a barrier to or protecting cantonese there but i mean one hundred years from now we

may be talking having the same program a different set of characters obviously but how chinese mandarin chinese is invaded the world and how it's either promoted its language or polluted other language we could see people like ourselves you know speaking in a pigeon chinese. well i'm not sure about that and i think there's no doubt that mandarin is increasing in importance in the world and more and more people across the world are getting interested in learning it as a foreign language but it's not going to displace english really i can't see that happening for at least another sort of hundred years or more and i doubt it is going to happen i think that the world of languages is being rebalanced at the moment that's for sure and i think book mandarin see there are more important things actually going on in the world and english is implicated in the eye for example in china and most primary school children are learning english now from

really quite a young age in the big cities it's as soon as they go into primary school now right across the world this is happening this means that we have a younger generation going through schools just reaching secondary schools now in some countries like china who are going to be really fairly good english speakers now this the world has never seen this before these already these children these young adults are able to communicate directly to each other we were talking earlier about english on the internet they can actually communicate directly to each other in a way that could never have been done before and i think that that is actually for instance contributing to making the world slightly more unstable slightly more dangerous than before so this fred of english is a global language has many many dimensions more than just business now the interesting question for me is what if in fifty years time china decides to stop teaching english in schools would it have the clout then to start forcing countries

around it to begin with to learn more moaned or in start using more minder and i'm gravely turned running out of time indeed we should do a program on the cultural and linguistic germany of mandarin chinese thanks to my guest today in paris copenhagen and in hong kong and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time. remember crossed our. sleeves.

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