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we'll. remove you the latest in science technology from around. we've got the future covered. kick. start. the low end welcome to prostate bank you all about the english language continues to flourish is it threatened other languages with one in three people speaking english does this promote western values and with the rise of asia english maintain its period position in the world. to continue. to discuss the language question i'm joined by robert phillips and in copenhagen

he's professor emeritus at the copenhagen business school in paris we go to john paul nidia he's author of the book don't speak english parlayed globish and in hong kong we have david read all he is a distinguished visiting scholar at city university of hong kong and another member of our cross talk team yelena hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk you can jump in anytime you want jump oh i'd like to go to you you have a new i suppose a language or quasi language that you're introducing to the world and it's called globalists and how is it different from english and if you could for partly could you answer in globish doris. oh there globish is english isn't even meant to be very correct english but it is what we call english lite it is a simplified from of english with less words he would six hundred fifteen thousand words in the excitingly surely that's way too much so he made good demonstration that with fifteen hundred words and the children of those words the david lives of

those world you could express all you need in the world for business purposes or as a tourist so it is in english light but still correct english i will give us an example given example what it sounds like and what words you like to use go ahead. well. i mean when you eat it or you in english you see is if i don't really know being brass indecently to write words is mostly comprised of me and my siblings you might understand that if you are in the war i'm going to do or most people will not understand that so if you want to get a message or cause you can say you seize our company top management going to have mostly me and over two hundred my parents and you get the same message across with the words are seem very long to my limited list and if it were not so you better so your heat rate in terms of understanding we tend i was better if you used nice caring or formulation ok robert if i can go to you in copenhagen is this just

jibberish bad english. i think it's very clear that. when you are in the real world you obviously have to communicate as best you can i am worried by the idea that a simplified form of english like that. isn't it's a bit like mcdonald ais ation it's a packaged version which apparently will give you the satisfaction that you need whereas in the real world. people don't really function like that they negotiate meaning they try to get through and as an educational goal i think they need to be exposed to relinquish as it is used in a whole range of contexts so i'm a bit worried that this is a quick fix in some way whereas learning english you have to be culturally sensitive depending on who you're speaking through which part of the world you are what your goals are it's a much more complex task than what claims to be a capable of achieving ok david i mean it's

a very good point you know the mcdonnell ization of english but that's the trend in the world that everything's getting mcdonogh lies i think on poles point is that you know if you want to be able to communicate and communicate as best you can and i think if i'm we make it clear i should make it clear to my audience here. this is a this is a kind of close the language of non-native speakers speaking to each other like again speaking to japanese japanese speaking to koreans and threatening their it's not really actually doesn't have anything to do with needed speakers of english i actually agree partly with both robert and john paul here and i think this is not really so much a question of mcdonald eyes asian as the struggle to communicate in the real world by people who don't actually have a lot of english but i think it's quite right john paul is actually on to something here and saying that people need some guidance as to how to best ploy the limited resources of the language they have to communicate clearly and this is actually something which perhaps native speakers need to learn about as well so it's not

entirely personal matter for non-native speakers ok i'll jump all in if then why not just learn english i think i'm going on line with robert was saying and if you want to use english when you do speak it properly. well we should make clear that there are additional be on there will be two kinds of seemly there is the english which gives you access to the culture of the anglo-saxon go here which is immense very each outstanding going from shakespeare to mark twain and if you like bill gates so this is very true and if you want to enjoy it if you want to read appreciate or use convent you need to learn english which for president i mean is a lifetime if for art if you want to cause a deal in moscow or talk you'll see all. if you speak laypeople speak in dallas texas must look at the people who will not understand you and this is my observation when i went to japan in one thousand nine hundred ninety four does business decisions i observe some americans are joining me

from my team and i was a vice president with a b. in usa then and i observed that the japanese there and then the koreans and soon and the chinese in beijing i told the far east where much better ideas with me understood me better and understood the better and what i could observe between them and americans and that's why i said we thought we were speaking english we are not we are speaking a different kind of language and there is something different so have got this great as fast could certainly been a side business is concerned internationally he's not and good if you had or the i did to meet broker he thought the british council which i could extensively in my book and in these people there are many scenes which are worse in forty year one of them is that in ninety six percent of the cases in international communication there is at least one no native english speaker who is involved and it's up to you native english speakers to adjust to the river of this person or not be as good as

police because like me would be ok example i mean i could agree with you maybe if you're talking about your childhood or buying a ticket at a train station or ordering in a restaurant or something like that. you bring a business i mean most businesses you have contracts and you have very specific laws and clauses and things like that this this language can't work without if i go to robert on that i mean it's for chit chat it's just to get you know get through something is this something you wouldn't sign a contract with using this kind of language it's too imprecise i mean it has nothing to do with english as a school subject where you're trying to equip people to function in a range of ways and i want one of things that worries me about the whole promotion of different types of english worldwide is that the assumption more or less is that the only language you need worldwide these days is english you don't get far with english in latin america or even in southern europe or in most racially so that

when for instance danish companies are asked why they have failed to achieve a business deal in japan or in italy they tend to say always because they don't speak english well enough there whereas what companies ought to be doing in order to trade with japan and italy is to have enough people in their country who can actually function will understand the culture as well as the language of japan or korea or or italy so that so far as education is concerned it's a totally different ballgame and i agree really with the mystical bell here that the that the idea that you can do complex negotiations with a simplified greatest is misleading. paul you were shaking your head you disagreed . well i'm sorry and i think. illustration but i'm not a native english speaker as you may have already at now but and it's a wonderful adventure going to spread this around countries. go to me go ahead you know so i could take there are many people who do that as far as contacts are

concerned you have experience that can have the contracts and concentrate them from american into english to begin with from into u.k. english so that you don't have to do when you're negotiating what you have through is discussing what he performance of your products or your services understand the needs of your customer and you don't need a full english for that you need you can do it with limited english programming you forward to go rules you he formulate you use your sentences and you check that your people are in front of you our understanding you which was native english because you don't think he should do and then learning a foreign language to do business in d.c. in a foreign land is valid in only one instance if you are living in destroying them so used to be here you know your for say stop was going to be given to me so as soon as they are saying frenchman two hundred company that is the answer he was expected to be able to run and speech and for months so you had to take a guy who spoke at

a german and english and from once he was you know to discuss we scouted your schools. in english not in his or not but in many countries they don't so that's true but when you are discussing international gives business you need to learn who are understood that the war was a language it was going to be some kind of english and there would be no step back because for the first. part i have my content in here they can jump here and go to david here i don't know what issue on the other foot i mean should native speakers of english maybe delve into this because it'll it'll make it easier for them to communicate with people and then i'm saying just for a limited purposes if you want to go travel around the world as we just it was pointed out in some places and in europe in asia and in south america there's very limited english it wouldn't be a bad idea for a native speaker so take a real short course in that and you can get by a lot easier. i'm not i'm all in favor of noted speakers being talked how to use their language in a more effective ways when talking to non-native speakers i don't think it actually

needs those sort of to learn or supposing little write a special kind of english i think it's more about strategy it's and principles hold for using the language that you already know but i think that we are talking about different things here i think that i agree a tyler with with robert on this that a fraud resurfacing character is just doing business so that at a low level then find some kind of english like work but that's not how the global economy works i mean chris lee you have multinational companies for example working in a number of different countries you have researches technicians and so on who have to work as a global team and communicating with perri high level their subject within that team across the world and that really does mean that everyone has to share a very high level of english i am going to jump in right here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on what some people call imperialism steve harvey. thank you

steve. thank you can just see. this is just a parliament building in. that news sixty five years ago. it was the final charge against the last major offensive for the army took its country and became the symbol on the fall of the financial tsunami. and the fig tree where nazi germany. the following. wealthy british science holds. the title of.

market. scandal find out what's really happening to the global economy for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines to cause a report. slump can. still see. the full. welcome back across talk on people about tree mind you talking about global languages. you can. see. but before let's see what foreign languages are most popular among russians. global language over the years english has been. able status being a language of business culture and diplomacy however english is not the only language used for international relations and poorly patients the united nations

program has six official languages arabic chinese english french russian and spanish the public opinion foundation assessed russians knowledge of foreign languages six to seven percent said they speak english twenty eight percent durham and another five percent can speak french though english today has a dominant position other languages are taking a stand so what playing which will the world's future and will we all ever speak the same language peter i jump on if i go back to you first one of the things i think is interesting is that you actually kind of a baby correct me if i'm wrong kind of a linguistic nationalist yourself you want to preserve good french ok how do you balance it with globish and being someone that really is a connoisseur of the french language where people in

france used to be very proud because it was to be the language of diplomacy. you have your say which was mostly discussed in english and then from there on french supremacy and people who are very good you know that it was he praised very english for each and every purpose mornings and these would be no turn back because you leash is now our language which is going around the world look very well i was doing very poorly even for researchers or people who had seen the at home event but it is the language we use when you see the common behavior for international communication and there will be no stared back because for the first time in history. the language is war wide and communication is instantaneous these never happen in the roman times we are letting your heat wear a common vehicle our own to get around in but now this is the case so we need to turn back and when the french people are just great about the situation they are wrong french will never get back where did he and as they used to say many years

ago if you're listening we could do about it no you and your actions this is finished and yes we'd be there but if we were going to be eating the spoken like by david and peter if we were being poor like me and if i was a people like that and you think it's a very interesting point if i go to robert on this one here i mean if we look at what the impact of the internet on english and you know and you can go to so many websites that purportedly are in english but they're in awful english there are the grammar is awful the spelling is awful the word choice is volatile the syntax is awful but what is stopping this inane and really we agreed with you before before you know why don't you just learn proper english all the world is this way ahead of us here i mean they're going to use english anyway they want so i mean what direction to go in or can we just can we control it in any way probably not. the internet when it was launched meant that a lot of people thought that this would mean that english would expand at the

expense of other languages in fact there are hundreds of languages used on the internet even very small ones demographically speaking and this means that obviously it's makes a lot of sense in the modern world for anyone to want to have a very high level of proficiency of english the interesting thing for me at least when researching language policy is whether english is being added to people's repertoire which is great or else where the english is replacing other languages and this is where you mention the word imperialism obviously under the soviet system the people of the three baltic states knew what linguistic imperialism was because bilingualism then was a dirty word for basically dropping their own language and shifting into russian and that's exactly what happened in a lot of the colonial world where there was definitely a major focus on colonial languages like like french and english and english does lots of tools worldwide but one also needs to look at every particular context and

see to what extent it actually closes doors for a large number of people while opening for the few david what do you think about that i mean the big recall the imperialism element that i mentioned at the end of the first part of the program i mean it for all of the learning of languages in english isn't the predominant one now we'll talk about it later if it's going to stay that way we have to think of a child the chinese but is it is it just is is there's a destroyer language is it replacing languages because in talking to some of my young people who work on cross talk you know even when they speak russian the russian english is invading their language and they're in russia you know in a working with me and it's all a mixture of us speaking of variety of languages even when two of them are throwing in french at the same time i mean is this good or does it or does it matter. well it's you know i find it very difficult to get sort of terribly worked up about them and i would just look at how the english language came to being out of the sort of mongrel language that we have any way to really sort of current preaching purity i

think that it is true and i absolutely agree with robert but you have to look at particular situations this is a very dangerous area in which to generalise to because there appear to be these big global trends going on but doesn't mean that actually the situation in different countries is not very different particularly in terms of whether languages are actually being injured or perhaps i mean there's an argument to say here in hong kong that the role of english in hong kong is actually helping protect cantonese as a sort of a past to group against encroaching quick program and there it is ok john paul if i can go to you a lot of people in and i want to go into a big discussion here but it is easier is global value free does it have any values because we there's a large a great argument in linguistics that you know it will take the english language for example it has a lot of built in values and and

a world view and how to look at values in society it is global is globish like that or is it completely devoid of any kind of value in terms of having values. well. being what i call english you know for interfering leash as devalue or being in f. and we used this and i didn't say you can say it was easy you want for reasons a to care president obama's inauguration speech because he did my website and would you say exactly the same seeing what you think where her somewhere into g.q. still ten times more people would have to stand out and integration species for americans but nonetheless there are people outside who would like to listen to it and it doesn't work he says without any consideration which is always distorting the meaning so devalue is that it is efficient it is not a language and also its own weight it is a tool to communicate and use a tool to make business and inventive it is enough but it doesn't carry the values of the anglo-saxon pritchard's and qaeda values of democracy doesn't go erode over

the years this is not the gold to go it is a simple you build it we make it efficient and by the way people who speak good enough english don't have heat a chance to talk to people like you do and even be here and even very seldom speak with people who don't speak good english because those words who don't they dare not speak to native english speakers what do you think about that robert i mean is it isn't as i'm glad. i'm a bit puzzled by that because i think that immigrants like myself i live in denmark although english is my mother tongue i mean i use four languages every week all the time and clearly once you have learnt several languages there are vast advantages but to go back to your point about whether globish is intrinsically impregnated with the cultural values which english has evolved during its development over fifteen hundred years well i think i would say that very clearly english spread worldwide because of the british empire because of the colonization of america in

australia and so on and this means that the idea that any language can be culturally neutral depends entirely on context any language can serve either good or evil purposes but a lot of the thrust behind global english at the moment is connected with globalisation with americanization and with consumerist relatives so in that sense very definitely just as john kerry has just said globish is connected with commerce and this commerce at the moment is dominated by american interests and other european and japanese and other conglomerates where the chinese of both into the same game and who knows where the chinese are taking us ok well i'm glad that's a good point here david what do you think i mean when we're talking about languages evolving and you mentioned how it is a barrier to or protecting cantonese there i mean one hundred years from now we may be talking having the same program a different set of characters obviously but how chinese mandarin chinese is invaded

the world and how it's either promoted its language or colluded other language we can see people like ourselves you know speaking of a pigeon chinese. well i'm not too sure about that and i think that is because no doubt that mandarin is increasing in importance in the world and more and more people across the world are getting interested in learning it as a foreign language but it's not going to displace english really i can't see that happening for at least another one hundred years or more and i doubt it is going to happen i think that the world of languages is being rebalanced at the moment that's for sure and i think book mind you see there are more important things actually going on in the world and english is implicated in them and for example in china and most primary school children are learning english now from really quite a young age in the big cities it's as soon as they go into primary school now right across the world this is happening now this means that we have

a younger generation going through schools just reaching secondary schools now in some countries like china who are going to be really fairly good english speakers now this the world has never seen this before these already these children these young adults are able to communicate directly to each other we were talking earlier about english on the internet they can actually communicate directly to each other in a way that could never have been done before and i think that that is actually for instance contributing to making the world slightly more unstable slightly more dangerous than before so this friend of english is a global language has many many mentions more than just business now the interesting question for me is what if in fifty years time china decides to stop teaching english in schools would it have the clout then to start forcing countries around it to begin with to learn more moaned or in start using more moaned or and i'm gradually turned around in time and maybe we should do

a program on the cultural and linguistic germany of mandarin chinese they so my guess would be in paris copenhagen and in hong kong and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time. remember prost are. the players cannot be serious. players. because it's fun to play. the split. bringing you the latest in science and technology from around the world. the future of coverage.

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