welcome they load a show will hit the real headlines but none of them are seat parking lot in washington d.c. now the monthly jobs numbers are out so we'll tell you what areas are improving and what areas are still struggling and although bin laden has been killed the drone strikes in pakistan and even yemen continue so is the war on terror about to get even more deadly and last night's g.o.p. debate was surprising on many fronts specially when some hollandse said openly that

he supported torture so what does that say about our country when supporting torture is just a regular part of your usual presidential candidates debate and then one news organization is following in the footsteps of wiki leaks creating their own it leaking website called safe house we'll tell you who this is i'll explain while why their version of the whistle blowing web site is nothing more i don't want to be we'll cover all that and have our friday version of happy hour in tonight's show but first let's move on to our top story. jobs numbers for the month of april were released today and the results are mixed well two hundred forty four thousand new jobs were added to the economy the most since may of two thousand and ten unemployment takes a back up to nine percent and that leaves at least thirteen million americans that are still out of work not even including the underemployed and unfortunately this wasn't a story of discouraged workers re entering the workforce in fact the labor market participation rate remained the same but the bigger story today here is that the fortune five hundred list was released and it found that the profits of the

nation's largest five hundred corporations soared eighty one percent over the last year so if the largest companies are nearly doubling their profits yet not hiring does that mean that america is in trouble and the disparity between rich and poor has become irreversible joining me to discuss this from our studio in new york is kelly evans wall street journal ahead of the tape columnist kelli thanks so much for joining us tonight first darters you know we just can't seem to get a really consistent positive report month to month it keeps wavering here even if we kept up at this pace of few hundred forty four thousand jobs we wouldn't be back to what they called normal until two thousand and seventeen but is there anything that you see that's really positive from today's numbers. i think actually if the unemployment rate had fallen today people would look at this report as a slam dunk so you saw finally some strength on the payroll side of things so private sector adding almost two hundred seventy thousand jobs this month overall

we're now adding jobs about two hundred thirty thousand a month again for the last three months you know that's that's good we'll take it at this point but as you say you know the problem lies even as we finally saw some strength on that side what we also got at the same time was a little bit of weakness in the household survey that generates the unemployment rate so take up to nine percent not a very encouraging move especially because it wasn't because we had a surge of people back into the labor force it was simply the picked up more unemployed people last month i get i always has a tape against reading too much into any one month of this survey it's very volatile it gets revised not just the following month but often a year later so we see here again in the weekly jobless claims series a little bit of softening lately and i think it remains to be seen whether that is picking up on some loss of momentum or recently that this survey isn't capturing i think exactly these numbers that come out weekly monthly are definitely very volatile but if we look at the fortune five hundred list they came out today and basically said that the largest five hundred corporations in this country increase their profits by eighty one percent you would think in

a normal world that it would make sense of them these corporations have been hiring like crazy eighty one percent increase in profits what you know how do you how do you prefer to gather there with the disparity how do you get it. look i'll just say this that you know it's better to see profits increase then go down i mean that's certainly going to be more supportive of hiring in general but one of the puzzles has long been in this recovery that we've seen the strong rebound earnings one of the strongest a v. shaped rebound but we haven't seen the economy similarly follow that kind of trajectory and it's largely i think coming down to it people are starting to realize is that companies are doing well because of overseas demand and they're increasingly putting production in workers are overseas and it's not just to cut costs as we started to see over the past decade or two a lot of companies look to outsourcing is a way of just bringing down costs generally you know a lot of them are doing it now because that's where their customer base is and so you think about a company like brands which owns pizza hut and taco bell and some of these where they get so many of their revenues and earnings at this point from overseas that to

talk about the s. and p. five hundred of the fortune five hundred you're really talking about the global five hundred so it's encouraging again that elisa earnings are growing i mean you've got to have that in place for them to start adding workers and what the hope is now that we've seen productivity figures come down companies have cut to the bone they're seeing a rebound now and they'll start adding workers in the u.s. but you know the u.s. remains a very expensive place to hire people in the business relative to other parts of the world that's starting to change you're seeing inflationary pressures wage gains in china making some parts the world that once were low cost a little bit more moderate now and i will say that is spurring some manufacturing rebound in the u.s. so again do companies doing well overseas is still better than not doing well at all and hopefully in the u.s. as we've had stagnant wages here for quite some time and other countries are seeing their costs go up will begin to look a little bit more attractive you'll see more companies hiring here and moving operations back but you know it is it would be nice to see more strength in the u.s. we're not seeing that right now well you know it might be reassuring i guess on a grand scale you could say but what do you say to young people these days you know

unemployment numbers for those for that are young but of just graduate from college are much higher than they are for the average american and you know i think often what happens you can look back at trends is that any time there's a recession you have a bit of this last generation that develops because. instantly they're pushed back their success rate is pushed back if you look at certain polls that have come out recently it already shows that young people don't have the optimism they think that they won't lead lives that were as good as their parents so how do you you know what do you say to young people if you think that they're going to be a lost generation and they just have to get over it or is there some kind of ray of hope. i don't want to generalize too much but it is certainly true that people who had better job prospects a couple years ago graduating in the workforce the same person today just might not have the have the same prospects i think that is affecting competence view about the outlook you know the best case scenario is that it leads towards more entrepreneurship or people trying to sort of do what they can in this environment to make money in that generates the kind of sort of healthy economic activity you'd want to see right now but it's not necessarily

a very encouraging time for young people and i think that's partly because the broader sort of realization we're coming to as a society in terms of what we can handle debt levels the kinds of growth we're now getting used to the kinds of higher unemployment we're likely to have going forward largely falls on those people who are now entering the workforce and if you've got a job you're a little bit at least a better spot than if you've never had a job and so it's hard enough to kind of go through college now come out with so much debt and then suddenly realize the job or the field you might have for is gone so i think there unfortunately is a lot of pressure on this group of people who are taking out a lot of dead who find themselves with not necessarily the kinds of job prospects for opportunities they had hoped for and i don't really know that there's a lot you can recommend other than that you have to trust that people will naturally find a way to either create opportunities for themselves or within the economy more broadly and again that's a healthy development but it's one of the reasons why we haven't seen a stronger increase in household formation for example a lot of people in the twenty five to thirty four demographic that

a couple of years ago might have been buying a house are now renting or they're living with their parents and if you plenty of anecdotal my anecdotal examples myself of where this is happening and it doesn't saucer really kind of help the long term dynamic for you for the u.s. outlook it's one of the reasons why i'm a little bit cautious about the u.s. and you know unfortunately a lot of the brunt of that does tend to fall on this particular generation demographic and i'm with you there in terms of the i know a lot of people myself that are my age friends of mine who i went to college with that still have yet to even have their first job straight out of school i think it's definitely going to be detrimental in the long run tell you want to thank you very much for joining us tonight. thanks for having me. now if they could talk of jobs and the economy one step further reports show that one in seven americans are on food stamps and the number of americans applying for unemployment benefits reached an eight month high and the group that seems to be getting hit the hardest is also the one you probably least expect artie's among the lindo tells us about the dying american dream for the middle class. sunny southern california long

a favorite destination for those pursuing stardom and well throughout the years families have lived the american dream of comfort and increasing prosperity but these days many of those very pam lees are caught up in a nightmare of escalating poverty get an army crisis has touched the before untouchable middle class what we have seen in the last two years really with that we session an increase in the number of families with some of them for the first taisha maybury is trying to raise her daughters while she struggles to keep a place to live the mayberry's are typical of the growing trend of families that fly from middle class to poverty and homelessness i thought i had the best of everything because at that time i found out he was participating and he with work and i was working so we didn't have to became an account in medicare. where

prescriptions we had the best we were working that was then and this is now me very receives food stamps and relies on the nonprofit program beyond shelter so that she and her children have a bed to sleep in she said to overcome many challenges in her life but before maybe lost her job she never imagined she would be fighting to stay off the streets every day i had to figure out where with i honestly better how where we have leslie job security is gone the unemployment rate is stuck into double digits around the los angeles area with few opportunities for a well paying jobs more americans are seeing their wealth disappear it is estimated that banks will take back more than a million homes this year due to foreclosure another sign that housing affordability across the u.s. continues to decrease this is the middle class neighborhood where taishan may be.

enter two daughters used to live before she lost her job it's only a few blocks away from the ocean and in the shadows of the scenic downtown long beach skyline it took only a few months to go from a life of relative comfort to a life of insecurity where she had no idea where her family would sleep at night los angeles is the heart region in america for homelessness where more than forty eight thousand people have no place to sleep on a nightly basis nationwide family homelessness has risen nine percent in the last year according to a recent report by the u.s. conference of mayors the real numbers may actually be much higher amount of works on dancing here this friend's house or their friend's house not i'm in different cities just to try to find work to unequals live comfortably for years working as a floor installer now he's an employee and cannot be read nichols relies on the

kindness of loved ones and food stamps social programs to help stress families hang on are about to be lost to political games as lawmakers in washington wrestle with future budget cuts while battling to save tax cuts for the richest this nichols fears could push many already desperate families over the edge. honestly i think that the chills were pricilla because people were getting this they don't want to swarm us we don't want to steal no i don't know i want to go out there and still for food but the push came to shove and i couldn't write what else am i supposed to do what am i going to do is a question mayberry ask yourself daily ever since she joined the army of the newly poor and struggling to raise her children hoping for a hollywood ending to her story a look at her every day. playing. in los angeles coming up in the party. still ahead tonight just days after osama bin laden's death the

u.s. launches more drone strikes from sites inside pakistan so how is the war on terror just seeing an uptick and on the u.s. has claimed for years that we don't torture but during a g.o.p. debate last night a candidate who wants to be president actually advocated for torture on national t.v. so tonight will ask what does that say about the future of our country. if we are the far right the right. well. we have got to be safe get ready because freedom.

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get up sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you've lived something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry for the big picture. the same. if you thought the death of osama bin laden meant the end of the u.s. drone campaign in pakistan and other countries think again just four days after the bin laden raid the u.s. carried out a drone attack in north waziristan killing fifteen people and that included those labeled as militants as well as at least one civilian also for the first time since two thousand and two the u.s. carried out a drone attack in yemen reportedly according to u.s. and yemeni officials killing two al qaeda operatives and it's

a sharp turn back to violence and targeted killings after a raid that many hoped falsely would signal slowdown of the war on terror and many are also speculating as to whether the new intelligence for this writes may have come from the so-called treasure trove of intel found inside this compound so is this just an escalation of our military love for unmanned killing machines and could bring more resentment in the countries in which we conduct these operations or the this with me is now former u.s. army captain matthew thanks so much for being here tonight my pleasure not only that it would be foolish for anyone to think that just because osama bin laden has been killed that means the war on terror is over and of course the obama administration has been very open about that that's not the case but they do expect it to ramp up again so quickly well actually this pretty much means what i thought was going to happen you know the interesting thing about the bin ladin really is that we've now seen over the past ten years the senior leadership of al qaeda seems to have taken the hide in plain sight strategy for trying to stay off the radar

never makes a lot of sense if you think about it it's far easier to blend into a large city of several hundred thousand or even several million as opposed to hiding out in these villages in north waziristan where you're probably going to be the only arab family living around so those begs the question who we've been vomiting for these past couple of years and i think what it shows is that there's probably other targets particularly senior members of the taliban leadership that we're probably going after so drone strike in north waziristan it's not surprising we're probably been targeting the same people who are more or less these tell. there leaders are other lower level al qaeda types that have been there for a long time that we know are still there and i think you'll probably see at least a continuation of that so long as the pakistani government allows us to continue these flights i mean if you look at where the drone strikes happens it's very clear there are certain areas of pakistan that the government does not let us bomb for example for example closer is where the commies might be associated in. places in terms of yemen that's

a whole separate branch of al qaeda and i think you're going to you're going to see continued strikes against the evidence that i've seen comes through that there's been some sort of split now for fractures asia if you will and that makes a lot of sense the the commander had to really go to ground after nine eleven in the afghan invasion and what you see there's a really effective splintering of the group or you almost have this semi autonomous group within yemen within saudi arabia that are capable of conducting their own attacks and carrying out their own sort of operations i think that's who we're going to are giving so you think about makes it even more dangerous and in pakistan i guess at this point unfortunately they're used to our drone strikes we haven't had a real drone strike in yemen since two thousand and two sally right now of course is experiencing massive you know i'm arrested in terms of his people sure that everyone wants him out of office we so far have been pretty tight lipped on the entire city or ration and so now if we not only look as the country that continues to support other people want to go and the country has decided that we're going to

go back and start drone strikes in the country again what happens if they do get him out of power you know does not put us into more again i think the who then gets to take the leap the great question and i don't think we have an answer for it i think we're hoping that he does stay in power because if he's replaced by a civilian government that does not want us there i mean that program and quite frankly our troops probably if we have soldiers there or whatever it is conducting those operations they stop which would take away probably our most effective way of targeting that gives to a broader point that you kind of hitting on which is that the real. injured here is not necessarily the leadership as opposed to the ideology that inspires people to take up terrorism as a tool and that's you know drone strikes seem to only inflame people around to get more and more angry at the united states you've got to question these might be a short term solution but long term we could be creating future generations of people who want to strike back against us so why do we do it and why is the obama administration i mean obviously the bush administration did it in terms detaining

hundreds perhaps thousands of people torturing them putting into the black sites prisons that didn't really help not only help recruitment efforts now we're just killing and set of you know asking any questions or detaining people but that also seems detrimental i mean think about it as a thing in the context of what is happening on another attack on u.s. domestic soil could be or would be american people have positively reacted to a white house and said listen we stop drone strikes because we're trying to pursue a more long term strategy that would and this ideology and really approach it from the perspective of how we dealt with communism which was you know george tenet writes the long telegram leon and you can't end an ideology that's a very nice dream to how much i can tell you're fully and an ideology i don't think you can ever fully and that isn't a lot of the whole point is would you accept that as an american citizen if there is an effective attack you say no i want to you demand that the white house should be taking more action in targeting these people that are trying to kill american citizens and on that note let me just say great for a second i think that american citizens for the most part have been pretty silent

when it comes to drone strikes yes that's something that the administration also kind of tries to keep under wraps is things that only we talk about but then when they saw the reaction that americans had to the death of osama bin laden everyone running around chanting in the streets holding american flags suddenly do they think that that vindicates or that makes it ok that we want to see more drone strikes with blood lust i don't know what you call it can we disassociate a member of seal team that would end up in modern as opposed to a drone strike i think the american people just want to see this guy go. no i mean i personally was happy to see when i joined the army after nine eleven a list of the first guys on uniform because of that guy i personally feel like we kind of got our our victory over japan moment in some ways i mean that was our whole justification for being in afghanistan it was the whole justification of the war on terror if we get the number two also here i say we did a great thing the problem is those that that are you remains is going to be pervasive it's going to spread and the drone strikes give some sort of credence for

a reason why these people should continue to hate the united states and i have to wrap it up i'm sorry for the first time that very quickly you know you had a few words to say about the. pakistanis dangerous that is how it's huge it basically took over into the chinese that we have a capability china is pakistan's largest weapons developer we give pakistan the most of its military aid but it does all of its weapons development with china that's huge i would be surprised if there was somebody from the chinese government actually asking do you know how much it's going to cost to get the piece of this tale if you look there's no rivets that skin was probably some type of infrared absorbing radar absorbing skin that we've kept under wraps for years and it has a broader implication not just for our relations with china and our ability to military capability but in vietnam has got to wonder if pakistan will ultimately get some type of stealth capability of. congress got a nice look at some of our shiny machinery and i mean the whole lot more money is going to start going over to those programs i want to thank you very much my pleasure and i thank you. now there's been

a lot of talk about torture this week after it came out the letters to osama bin laden's courier were statements made by collegiate mohammed and abu faraj i'll leave the well in cia custody and out of the many lies in the bad leads given by these men hundreds of other detainees eventually came through the after years of continued intelligence working operatives on the ground in pakistan and afghanistan finally led us to the real name and phone number and eventually osama bin laden's compound despite numerous intelligence officials white house officials even a former bush official saying to waterboard. did not lead us to a solomon lot and many on the right of continue with the lie that torture has been vindicated but it has perhaps been most shocking as that in last night's g.o.p. debate in south carolina the topic also came up and tim pawlenty said the following . we need to do everything we can within our value systems and legal structures to make sure that those who i support and change irrigation techniques under limited circumstances. so it makes me wonder how far we've come as

a country in the last ten years and not in a good way has it really become acceptable to support torture and a mainstream televised political debate and to criticize those who oppose it he wanted me to discuss this is matthew alexander former senior military interrogator who conducted or supervised over thirteen hundred interrogations in iraq and he's currently a fellow at u.c.l.a. burkle center for international relations and the author of the book kill or capture matthew i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight first carter's you recognize this country today where it's ok to openly casually talk about torture or enhanced interrogation techniques and the politicization and a televised debate for president. i don't want to hear things like that and mr plenty by the way two years ago. go against the moral fabric of this country so obviously it is their first thought as a little bit with presidential candidates but you know if we need them part of why

for sure is incompatible with american principles we just got to look for our first president george washington during the revolutionary war. for sure. whether or not it works. is not compatible but for now i'm just wondering of course it's always hard to look back and try to try to say that things could have been different but you yourself you know you're an interrogator you think that torture is not the best way to get information out of people this is a report coming from so many interrogators out there so do you think that we could have gone to bin ladin not almost ten years later but much earlier had we not been waterboarding khaliq mohamed a hundred eighty three times. without a doubt it think we would much earlier we had reports of torture for several reasons one is it's not just. interrogation and it was certainly we just never got away he didn't provide the name of the courier even if you think

knowledge. that he knew him or that he was active and we're being told that the. confirmation which is. in the. but there's also numerous who didn't provide information not just because they were fortunate but because they saw other muslims or study. in this in addition to the fact that numerous new terrorists were because fortune. so why do you think despite those facts and there have been a lot of people really big into the documents and looking back at the timeline and trying to get the truth out there why is that still the line that so many republicans former bush officials are saying you know even tim pawlenty last night saying that torture is what got us to osama bin laden i'm going to just deny it all . was a part of. a lot of president obama's political capital for the upcoming presidential race so that's part of. and part of it is people who were

people who order the. bush or vice president cheney and bill are all trying to cover their rear end for having or does. and now that's actually the one thing out of this is that the waterboarding on that. ever got it was that you deny knowing anything career. earlier. why do you think the politicians and the pundits the people who have never actually come face to face with a detainee and had to interrogate them you know the it enhanced interrogation or not why are they the ones that always push for torture and yet people like yourself don't. i don't know if it's because ignorant i'm not sure what i know it's all. going back to work to where we didn't torture people.

yesterday or. or time again without torture on numerous examples we found saddam hussein without force or. rack without torture i'm not sure why they're not listening to you but you know we've been doing this. for half. do you think that unfortunately somehow the death of osama bin ladin and you know this story line that would down the line link seems like a leech like mohammed has become a bit of a turning point where people are no longer asking whether torture is wrong which you know it is wrong as something of a country though is that like you said even from our founding with george washington that we do not torture and now the entire conversation is based around does it work or not. and that's a tragedy because there's other things that we don't use that certainly work example chemical weapons u.s. infantry could certainly save lives by using a weapon that's one hundred percent practical but they don't do it because it works

it doesn't work it's because it's immoral and out of over process or think about what are our principles same thing with frank first there's a difference i have that we could compare but we are using based on efficacy our argument based on her earlier. matthew i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight and you know i think it's really important to hear it from this source or someone who has been there that this is not a tactic that we should rely on thanks very much. and still to come tonight i'll tell our talk show host after he questions why no country music stars have released songs about killing osama bin laden i've been to night school times and the last three journalists to even leaking leaks can a mainstream newspaper really be a safe place to leak information back in just a few of. those numbers given that we are in the.